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,

Thank you for pointing out the need to make sure we aren't mentally dull by

sending something to the list that others may find offensive.

Jean

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12/7/98

[Guest guest]

,

Thank you for pointing out the need to make sure we aren't mentally dull by

sending something to the list that others may find offensive.

Jean

190/142/135

12/7/98

[Guest guest]

Is Terry out of town?

Don't be offended , I think that was just said in jest or ignorance.

I'd be a vegetarian too if I didn't have to give up steak! (being queen o'

the veggies and all).

This all began with a misinterpretation of the meaning of some words by

somebody that I don't believe speaks English as their primary language.

Please don't take it as a personal attack on your life-style

I think it's wonderful that you are trying to help your boyfriend do Atkins.

Are there any specific favourite recipes of his that we could try and find a

low carb version of?

Let us know how we can help make this a positive experience for you both

Kirstie

[Guest guest]

LOL! Cute, Kirstie!

Kirstie Hawkey wrote:

Is Terry out of town?

[Guest guest]

You aren't bursting MY bubble. This is reprinted from Ellen s

website http://www.hcrc.org/faqs/atkins.html.

http://www.hcrc.org/contrib/coleman/coleman.html

Here are her credentials - Ellen , RD, MA, MPH - She IS a

registerd dietician. This is what she says - not my words:

" A ketogenic diet may or may not have side effects, depending on the

individual person. It is certainly riskier for overweight individuals

with medical problems such as heart disease, hypertension, kidney

disease, and diabetes than it is for overweight people with no health

problems. Complications associated with low carbohydrate, high

protein diets include ketosis, dehydration, electrolyte loss, calcium

depletion, weakness (due to inadequate dietary carbohydrate), nausea

(due to ketosis), and possibly kidney problems. "

There is much more information out there. I am not against the

Atkins diet. If followed properly, most people do not get sick. I

am all for it. In the past, lost a significant amount of weight

with it. I am hoping to help him do it again. My point was that the

other person said a vegetarian diet was dangerous and I was pointing

out it could go both ways.

>

> Sorry but the Kidney damage warning is a myth. Too much

protein can

> be hard on an already ill kidney but protein will not cause a

kidney to

> become damaged. Hate to burst your bubble.

>

> aka Nurse Jen (Terry's name for me) :-)

[Guest guest]

You aren't bursting MY bubble. This is reprinted from Ellen s

website http://www.hcrc.org/faqs/atkins.html.

http://www.hcrc.org/contrib/coleman/coleman.html

Here are her credentials - Ellen , RD, MA, MPH - She IS a

registerd dietician. This is what she says - not my words:

" A ketogenic diet may or may not have side effects, depending on the

individual person. It is certainly riskier for overweight individuals

with medical problems such as heart disease, hypertension, kidney

disease, and diabetes than it is for overweight people with no health

problems. Complications associated with low carbohydrate, high

protein diets include ketosis, dehydration, electrolyte loss, calcium

depletion, weakness (due to inadequate dietary carbohydrate), nausea

(due to ketosis), and possibly kidney problems. "

There is much more information out there. I am not against the

Atkins diet. If followed properly, most people do not get sick. I

am all for it. In the past, lost a significant amount of weight

with it. I am hoping to help him do it again. My point was that the

other person said a vegetarian diet was dangerous and I was pointing

out it could go both ways.

>

> Sorry but the Kidney damage warning is a myth. Too much

protein can

> be hard on an already ill kidney but protein will not cause a

kidney to

> become damaged. Hate to burst your bubble.

>

> aka Nurse Jen (Terry's name for me) :-)

[Guest guest]

You aren't bursting MY bubble. This is reprinted from Ellen s

website http://www.hcrc.org/faqs/atkins.html.

http://www.hcrc.org/contrib/coleman/coleman.html

Here are her credentials - Ellen , RD, MA, MPH - She IS a

registerd dietician. This is what she says - not my words:

" A ketogenic diet may or may not have side effects, depending on the

individual person. It is certainly riskier for overweight individuals

with medical problems such as heart disease, hypertension, kidney

disease, and diabetes than it is for overweight people with no health

problems. Complications associated with low carbohydrate, high

protein diets include ketosis, dehydration, electrolyte loss, calcium

depletion, weakness (due to inadequate dietary carbohydrate), nausea

(due to ketosis), and possibly kidney problems. "

There is much more information out there. I am not against the

Atkins diet. If followed properly, most people do not get sick. I

am all for it. In the past, lost a significant amount of weight

with it. I am hoping to help him do it again. My point was that the

other person said a vegetarian diet was dangerous and I was pointing

out it could go both ways.

>

> Sorry but the Kidney damage warning is a myth. Too much

protein can

> be hard on an already ill kidney but protein will not cause a

kidney to

> become damaged. Hate to burst your bubble.

>

> aka Nurse Jen (Terry's name for me) :-)

[Guest guest]

I am sorry it offended you. It was aimed at the person who said

vegetarians were dumb and that they were easily controlled cult

members. You will find I am neither. I am not a zealot of any

religion or dumb.

> I am sure that you wouldn't like being compared to the savage

cannibals who

> eat only meat because you don't eat as many veggies as I do.

>

> Here are two definitions I found for cannibal.....

>

> A person who eats the flesh of other human beings.

> An animal that feeds on others of its own kind.

>

> Since I am not eating other Atkids, I hardly find this comparison

appropriate.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Terry is our beloved list owner. Didn't I read that modified low-carb - without ketosis was suggested for children with autism, or am I confusing this with something else?

[Guest guest]

Terry is our beloved list owner. Didn't I read that modified low-carb - without ketosis was suggested for children with autism, or am I confusing this with something else?

[Guest guest]

Thanks. Who is Terry?

Anything would be appreciated. As it is, I find myself fixing 3

meals every night - one for me, one for and one for my son, who

is autistic. His medication decreases his appetite and I usually fix

his veggies with butter, etc.

> Is Terry out of town?

>

> Don't be offended , I think that was just said in jest or

ignorance.

> I'd be a vegetarian too if I didn't have to give up steak! (being

queen o'

> the veggies and all).

>

> This all began with a misinterpretation of the meaning of some

words by

> somebody that I don't believe speaks English as their primary

language.

> Please don't take it as a personal attack on your life-style

>

> I think it's wonderful that you are trying to help your boyfriend

do Atkins.

> Are there any specific favourite recipes of his that we could try

and find a

> low carb version of?

>

> Let us know how we can help make this a positive experience for you

both

>

> Kirstie

[Guest guest]

Dwen......I got tears in my eyes when I read your post. How did you survive that???

[Guest guest]

Dwen I'm sorry to hear you haven't seen your grandchildren in so

long....Have you even heard from them or anything? Hope so--

[Guest guest]

Dwen I'm sorry to hear you haven't seen your grandchildren in so

long....Have you even heard from them or anything? Hope so--

[Guest guest]

Terry is the list owner who is always gone when a spat breaks out.

She tells us we are a bunch of children who can't get along without

their mommy.

Jean

190/142/135

12/7/98

[Guest guest]

Terry is the list owner who is always gone when a spat breaks out.

She tells us we are a bunch of children who can't get along without

their mommy.

Jean

190/142/135

12/7/98

[Guest guest]

Terry is the list owner. It's a running joke that the only time this

usually calm list gets nasty is when Terry is out of town. We do so

disappoint her sometimes

One recipe that my hubby loves is the meatza pizza. You basically use

ground beef for the crust (I cook it up in a pie plate first) and then top

it with your favourite pizza toppings. Look around for a tomatoe sauce that

doesn't have sugar in it - 4-5 carbs per 1/2 cup is about as good as it

gets.

Kirstie

[Guest guest]

Terry is the list owner. It's a running joke that the only time this

usually calm list gets nasty is when Terry is out of town. We do so

disappoint her sometimes

One recipe that my hubby loves is the meatza pizza. You basically use

ground beef for the crust (I cook it up in a pie plate first) and then top

it with your favourite pizza toppings. Look around for a tomatoe sauce that

doesn't have sugar in it - 4-5 carbs per 1/2 cup is about as good as it

gets.

Kirstie

[Guest guest]

>>That sounds like something would like. I am not sure about how to go about cooking it, though. How long do you bake it? I didn't mean for things to get ugly. I'm sorry. I'm normally a very docile person.

Things happen, forget about it. Nobody got terribly nasty.

[Guest guest]

>>That sounds like something would like. I am not sure about how to go about cooking it, though. How long do you bake it? I didn't mean for things to get ugly. I'm sorry. I'm normally a very docile person.

Things happen, forget about it. Nobody got terribly nasty.

[Guest guest]

Actually, a ketogenic diet is frequently used to treat epilipsy.

Also, diets low in yeast and gluten are supposed to help as are diets

that eliminate articial ingredients. I tried on a modified

version of the Atkins diet, but it is harder to control what they eat

at school, so it was a null point.

alicia

> Terry is our beloved list owner. Didn't I read that modified low-

carb - without ketosis was suggested for children with autism, or am

I confusing this with something else?

[Guest guest]

Actually, a ketogenic diet is frequently used to treat epilipsy.

Also, diets low in yeast and gluten are supposed to help as are diets

that eliminate articial ingredients. I tried on a modified

version of the Atkins diet, but it is harder to control what they eat

at school, so it was a null point.

alicia

> Terry is our beloved list owner. Didn't I read that modified low-

carb - without ketosis was suggested for children with autism, or am

I confusing this with something else?

[Guest guest]

I can imagine that it would be nearly impossible to hope that a kid would stick to a special diet away from home. I have always wondered how mothers of diabetic children manage that.

>>Actually, a ketogenic diet is frequently used to treat epilipsy. Also, diets low in yeast and gluten are supposed to help as are diets that eliminate articial ingredients. I tried on a modified version of the Atkins diet, but it is harder to control what they eat at school, so it was a null point. alicia

[Guest guest]

I can imagine that it would be nearly impossible to hope that a kid would stick to a special diet away from home. I have always wondered how mothers of diabetic children manage that.

>>Actually, a ketogenic diet is frequently used to treat epilipsy. Also, diets low in yeast and gluten are supposed to help as are diets that eliminate articial ingredients. I tried on a modified version of the Atkins diet, but it is harder to control what they eat at school, so it was a null point. alicia

[Guest guest]

I can imagine that it would be nearly impossible to hope that a kid would stick to a special diet away from home. I have always wondered how mothers of diabetic children manage that.

>>Actually, a ketogenic diet is frequently used to treat epilipsy. Also, diets low in yeast and gluten are supposed to help as are diets that eliminate articial ingredients. I tried on a modified version of the Atkins diet, but it is harder to control what they eat at school, so it was a null point. alicia