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[Guest guest]

That sounds like something would like. I am not sure about how

to go about cooking it, though. How long do you bake it? I didn't

mean for things to get ugly. I'm sorry. I'm normally a very docile

person.

> Terry is the list owner. It's a running joke that the only time

this

> usually calm list gets nasty is when Terry is out of town. We do so

> disappoint her sometimes

>

> One recipe that my hubby loves is the meatza pizza. You basically

use

> ground beef for the crust (I cook it up in a pie plate first) and

then top

> it with your favourite pizza toppings. Look around for a tomatoe

sauce that

> doesn't have sugar in it - 4-5 carbs per 1/2 cup is about as good

as it

> gets.

>

> Kirstie

[Guest guest]

That sounds like something would like. I am not sure about how

to go about cooking it, though. How long do you bake it? I didn't

mean for things to get ugly. I'm sorry. I'm normally a very docile

person.

> Terry is the list owner. It's a running joke that the only time

this

> usually calm list gets nasty is when Terry is out of town. We do so

> disappoint her sometimes

>

> One recipe that my hubby loves is the meatza pizza. You basically

use

> ground beef for the crust (I cook it up in a pie plate first) and

then top

> it with your favourite pizza toppings. Look around for a tomatoe

sauce that

> doesn't have sugar in it - 4-5 carbs per 1/2 cup is about as good

as it

> gets.

>

> Kirstie

[Guest guest]

The Hellers promote low carb for kids with ADD. I tried it with Mathew for

a couple of weeks and did notice some change for the better, but he couldn't

handle life without sugar and started bingeing behind my back, so we stopped

the experiment.

Kirstie

[Guest guest]

The Hellers promote low carb for kids with ADD. I tried it with Mathew for

a couple of weeks and did notice some change for the better, but he couldn't

handle life without sugar and started bingeing behind my back, so we stopped

the experiment.

Kirstie

[Guest guest]

That was the same problem I had with . He eats lunch at school

and there is no way to control what they eat. It's also hard with

the Feingold diet. That diet eliminates everything artificial and

salycilic (such as apples). I informed his school and his teacher.

She would give him M & M's of all things for rewards. No amount of

complaining to the school board would help. As he got older, he

started trading things in his lunch box for things other kids had.

It was no-win.

> The Hellers promote low carb for kids with ADD. I tried it with

Mathew for

> a couple of weeks and did notice some change for the better, but he

couldn't

> handle life without sugar and started bingeing behind my back, so

we stopped

> the experiment.

>

> Kirstie

[Guest guest]

That was the same problem I had with . He eats lunch at school

and there is no way to control what they eat. It's also hard with

the Feingold diet. That diet eliminates everything artificial and

salycilic (such as apples). I informed his school and his teacher.

She would give him M & M's of all things for rewards. No amount of

complaining to the school board would help. As he got older, he

started trading things in his lunch box for things other kids had.

It was no-win.

> The Hellers promote low carb for kids with ADD. I tried it with

Mathew for

> a couple of weeks and did notice some change for the better, but he

couldn't

> handle life without sugar and started bingeing behind my back, so

we stopped

> the experiment.

>

> Kirstie

[Guest guest]

,

One reason people like this dietitian think this diet is dangerous

is that they don't read all that Dr. Atkins (who by the way is a

cardiologist) has to say about it.

None of the things she mentions (dehydration, electrolyte loss,

calcium depletion, weakness, nausea) should happen to a person who follows

Dr. Atkins' instructions and drinks lots of water, takes the vitamins and

supplements he recommends, and gets a complete physical prior to embarking

on this WOE. Sure, we do go into ketosis, but he explains that this

is a benign form of ketosis.

My family physician, cardiologist, and neurologist all support me

in this WOE. As my cardiologist put it, "Which is more dangerous,

this diet or staying obese and having a heart attack or stroke due to that

obesity." All my doctors agree that the main objective is to first

and foremost get the weight off.

Our local news channel had a bit on it the other week about so called

fad diets and they mentioned the Atkins Diet. They had so much more

misinformation in that 2 minutes than I would have ever have expected from

a news agency.

I'm certain we all could quote someone who is supposedly an authority

on something to support our points of view. However, most people

who say this diet is not healthy have contempt prior to investigation when

it comes to this low carb diets.

When it comes to my body, I am the one living in it, not some doctor

or other person. I know I feel better than I have in years after

only a few weeks on this diet (and only 23 lbs lost thus far). I

have suffered with chronic pain for years (since 1983) that actually disabled

me and have not had to take one single pain medication since starting this

diet. I have high blood pressure and heart problems, high cholesterol,

and was very close to becoming a diabetic. Every one of those problems

is improving.

I investigated other diets before deciding that this was the one

I would try. I am certainly glad that I have not been disappointed.

Dwen

dawnbluemoon@... wrote:

You aren't bursting MY bubble. This is

reprinted from Ellen s

website http://www.hcrc.org/faqs/atkins.html.

http://www.hcrc.org/contrib/coleman/coleman.html

Here are her credentials - Ellen , RD, MA, MPH - She IS

a

registerd dietician. This is what she says - not my words:

[Guest guest]

,

One reason people like this dietitian think this diet is dangerous

is that they don't read all that Dr. Atkins (who by the way is a

cardiologist) has to say about it.

None of the things she mentions (dehydration, electrolyte loss,

calcium depletion, weakness, nausea) should happen to a person who follows

Dr. Atkins' instructions and drinks lots of water, takes the vitamins and

supplements he recommends, and gets a complete physical prior to embarking

on this WOE. Sure, we do go into ketosis, but he explains that this

is a benign form of ketosis.

My family physician, cardiologist, and neurologist all support me

in this WOE. As my cardiologist put it, "Which is more dangerous,

this diet or staying obese and having a heart attack or stroke due to that

obesity." All my doctors agree that the main objective is to first

and foremost get the weight off.

Our local news channel had a bit on it the other week about so called

fad diets and they mentioned the Atkins Diet. They had so much more

misinformation in that 2 minutes than I would have ever have expected from

a news agency.

I'm certain we all could quote someone who is supposedly an authority

on something to support our points of view. However, most people

who say this diet is not healthy have contempt prior to investigation when

it comes to this low carb diets.

When it comes to my body, I am the one living in it, not some doctor

or other person. I know I feel better than I have in years after

only a few weeks on this diet (and only 23 lbs lost thus far). I

have suffered with chronic pain for years (since 1983) that actually disabled

me and have not had to take one single pain medication since starting this

diet. I have high blood pressure and heart problems, high cholesterol,

and was very close to becoming a diabetic. Every one of those problems

is improving.

I investigated other diets before deciding that this was the one

I would try. I am certainly glad that I have not been disappointed.

Dwen

dawnbluemoon@... wrote:

You aren't bursting MY bubble. This is

reprinted from Ellen s

website http://www.hcrc.org/faqs/atkins.html.

http://www.hcrc.org/contrib/coleman/coleman.html

Here are her credentials - Ellen , RD, MA, MPH - She IS

a

registerd dietician. This is what she says - not my words:

[Guest guest]

,

One reason people like this dietitian think this diet is dangerous

is that they don't read all that Dr. Atkins (who by the way is a

cardiologist) has to say about it.

None of the things she mentions (dehydration, electrolyte loss,

calcium depletion, weakness, nausea) should happen to a person who follows

Dr. Atkins' instructions and drinks lots of water, takes the vitamins and

supplements he recommends, and gets a complete physical prior to embarking

on this WOE. Sure, we do go into ketosis, but he explains that this

is a benign form of ketosis.

My family physician, cardiologist, and neurologist all support me

in this WOE. As my cardiologist put it, "Which is more dangerous,

this diet or staying obese and having a heart attack or stroke due to that

obesity." All my doctors agree that the main objective is to first

and foremost get the weight off.

Our local news channel had a bit on it the other week about so called

fad diets and they mentioned the Atkins Diet. They had so much more

misinformation in that 2 minutes than I would have ever have expected from

a news agency.

I'm certain we all could quote someone who is supposedly an authority

on something to support our points of view. However, most people

who say this diet is not healthy have contempt prior to investigation when

it comes to this low carb diets.

When it comes to my body, I am the one living in it, not some doctor

or other person. I know I feel better than I have in years after

only a few weeks on this diet (and only 23 lbs lost thus far). I

have suffered with chronic pain for years (since 1983) that actually disabled

me and have not had to take one single pain medication since starting this

diet. I have high blood pressure and heart problems, high cholesterol,

and was very close to becoming a diabetic. Every one of those problems

is improving.

I investigated other diets before deciding that this was the one

I would try. I am certainly glad that I have not been disappointed.

Dwen

dawnbluemoon@... wrote:

You aren't bursting MY bubble. This is

reprinted from Ellen s

website http://www.hcrc.org/faqs/atkins.html.

http://www.hcrc.org/contrib/coleman/coleman.html

Here are her credentials - Ellen , RD, MA, MPH - She IS

a

registerd dietician. This is what she says - not my words:

[Guest guest]

That's ok . Email is like that sometimes.

I cook the burger for about 1/2 an hour (after about 15 minutes, I drain off

the fat, split it down the middle and pad the gap (the burger shrinks) with

some more burger and then cook it until it's about done. After I put the

toppings on, I cook it until the cheese is all melted and bubbly. My hubby

likes his cheese to be browned a little, so we probably cook it longer than

most. I have the oven on at about 375.

Kirstie

[Guest guest]

That's ok . Email is like that sometimes.

I cook the burger for about 1/2 an hour (after about 15 minutes, I drain off

the fat, split it down the middle and pad the gap (the burger shrinks) with

some more burger and then cook it until it's about done. After I put the

toppings on, I cook it until the cheese is all melted and bubbly. My hubby

likes his cheese to be browned a little, so we probably cook it longer than

most. I have the oven on at about 375.

Kirstie

[Guest guest]

Dwen, have faith that someday there will be a long-awaited knock at your door.

[Guest guest]

Well said Dwen. I couldn't agree more.

[Guest guest]

That's the same thing I said. If the diet is followed properly, you

won't get sick. I've been saying that the whole time. I know people

who haven't followed it correctly and have gotten VERY sick. One

friend stayed on the induction for months. It was no wonder his

kidney's started failing him. If he had graduated into the OWL and

the pre-maintanence and then the final maintenance, he would have

been better off and not have gotten sick.

It is the same way with a veggie diet. If you don't eat protein or

binge on starches, you're bound to pay for it.

>

> > You aren't bursting MY bubble. This is reprinted from Ellen

s

> > website http://www.hcrc.org/faqs/atkins.html.

> > http://www.hcrc.org/contrib/coleman/coleman.html

> > Here are her credentials - Ellen , RD, MA, MPH - She IS a

> > registerd dietician. This is what she says - not my words:

> >

[Guest guest]

That's the same thing I said. If the diet is followed properly, you

won't get sick. I've been saying that the whole time. I know people

who haven't followed it correctly and have gotten VERY sick. One

friend stayed on the induction for months. It was no wonder his

kidney's started failing him. If he had graduated into the OWL and

the pre-maintanence and then the final maintenance, he would have

been better off and not have gotten sick.

It is the same way with a veggie diet. If you don't eat protein or

binge on starches, you're bound to pay for it.

>

> > You aren't bursting MY bubble. This is reprinted from Ellen

s

> > website http://www.hcrc.org/faqs/atkins.html.

> > http://www.hcrc.org/contrib/coleman/coleman.html

> > Here are her credentials - Ellen , RD, MA, MPH - She IS a

> > registerd dietician. This is what she says - not my words:

> >

[Guest guest]

When I was teaching, I had a student that was diabetic. She stuck to

it pretty well. She knew the consequences and was a very mature 12

year old. I don't know how other parents fare, but it's not the

easiest task in the world. Just getting family to cooperate is hard

enough. You get " but it's Christams... Just one won't hurt " etc.

You end up looking like the bad guy to your kid and your family, but

you just have to keep re-enforcing it.

> I can imagine that it would be nearly impossible to hope that a kid

would stick to a special diet away from home. I have always wondered

how mothers of diabetic children manage that.

>

> >>Actually, a ketogenic diet is frequently used to treat epilipsy.

> Also, diets low in yeast and gluten are supposed to help as are

diets

> that eliminate articial ingredients. I tried on a modified

> version of the Atkins diet, but it is harder to control what they

eat

> at school, so it was a null point.

>

> alicia

[Guest guest]

Robin, it's still not easy on some days. Christmas was awful for

me.

Fortunately I have 6 step grandchildren to help with the pain.

After this happened, my oldest step granddaughter told me for the first

time that she loved me. It meant so much to me. Three of the

steps are close by; 3 in Colorado. However, I do miss the others

so very much.

I pray for them nightly (and for strength for myself) and hope one day,

if it is meant to be, that at least a couple of them will find their way

out of there. They have just relocated to Florida and we have totally

lost contact with them. Prior to that they were in upper NY state

and we could call, but were not always allowed to speak with them.

The oldest boy and one of the girls are discontent. Maybe.........someday......

Dwen

Robin Purtee wrote:

Dwen......I

got tears in my eyes when I read your post. How did you survive that???

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much!!!! LOL Triplets, you say!!!

Dwen

DEB wrote:

> Oh Dwen, I'm so sorry, my heart goes out to you. I give you a big

> hug! I'll share mine, Please, share mine. DebGramma of Triplets

[Guest guest]

,

My son saw them just before Christmas, as they were relocating from

NY State to Florida. That's how I know where (well sorta since Florida

is a big state) they are now. He had not been allowed to see them

for 2-1/2 years.

I was really concerned about him for so long. It broke his heart.

He went into a shell after it happened. He's just now able to talk

much about it. Now he and his SO are expecting a boy either the end

of this month or early next month. I hope this helps him some.

Dwen

Gerteisen wrote:

Dwen I'm sorry to hear you haven't seen your

grandchildren in so

long....Have you even heard from them or anything? Hope so--

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/5/01 10:33:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, dsinteam@...

writes:

<< You kids!

Terry >>

LOL We love you Terry!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/5/01 10:33:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, dsinteam@...

writes:

<< You kids!

Terry >>

LOL We love you Terry!

[Guest guest]

epilepsy, perhaps??

Robin Purtee wrote:

Terry

is our beloved list owner. Didn't I read that modified low-carb

- without ketosis was suggested for children with autism, or am I

confusing this with something else?

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I predict that it was epilepsy.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Sorry I generalized it, not everyone happens to be that way, but I can say *most*.

Probably, 'dumb' or 'dull' are not the right words to use, I just want to give some sense that it makes the cult leaders easier to control them.

regards/Jerome Tanjtan@...Mobile: +639175277928

Re: new member

A vegetarian diet doesn't make you dumb, and it's not dangerous! I, myself am a ova-lacto vegetarian, thank you very much. I have never joined a religious cult and don't have any trouble maintaining a healthy diet. I joined this group because my boyfriend started the Atkins diet (he's obviously not a vegetarian) to lose weight. He's about 140 lbs overweight. Since I am the one that cooks ALL of his meals, I thought this would be a good place to get a little help.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Sorry I generalized it, not everyone happens to be that way, but I can say *most*.

Probably, 'dumb' or 'dull' are not the right words to use, I just want to give some sense that it makes the cult leaders easier to control them.

regards/Jerome Tanjtan@...Mobile: +639175277928

Re: new member

A vegetarian diet doesn't make you dumb, and it's not dangerous! I, myself am a ova-lacto vegetarian, thank you very much. I have never joined a religious cult and don't have any trouble maintaining a healthy diet. I joined this group because my boyfriend started the Atkins diet (he's obviously not a vegetarian) to lose weight. He's about 140 lbs overweight. Since I am the one that cooks ALL of his meals, I thought this would be a good place to get a little help.