Re: Take care when increasing thyroid dose

[Guest guest]

> Live and learn... I shared the story here and on TTSG... so that

others

> are a bit more observant with themselves and maybe don't push as

far as I

> did if they are seeing negative symptoms to an increase that

doesn't ease

> up in a couple of days....

>

>

> Topper ()

Sending you light...you sound like you know what you're doing. It's

good always to remember the adrenal stuff doesn't always show itself

until a counter balance tries to occur when you up your thyroid. and

time and time again, I see people overlook that...even though they

know better. and I overlooked it with my son too - kept giving him

DHEA, and 2 Isocort daily, but it turns out that wasn't what he

needed.

[Guest guest]

I've got no plans on any " long trips " any time soon! hehehehehe

Topper ()

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:38:19 -0700 " Shirley White "

writes:

> Take good care of yourself!!!! WE NEED YOU!!!!

> Shirley

[Guest guest]

I've got no plans on any " long trips " any time soon! hehehehehe

Topper ()

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:38:19 -0700 " Shirley White "

writes:

> Take good care of yourself!!!! WE NEED YOU!!!!

> Shirley

[Guest guest]

I've got no plans on any " long trips " any time soon! hehehehehe

Topper ()

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:38:19 -0700 " Shirley White "

writes:

> Take good care of yourself!!!! WE NEED YOU!!!!

> Shirley

[Guest guest]

We all learn as we go... I feel like a dope for doing what I did.... and

it's not helping to spill my guts here.... but if others are made aware

of what can happen if you aren't aware of your body and what it's telling

you... maybe someone else won't have to go through what I am right

now......

Anybody got a salt shaker?.... and maybe about 3 pounds of butter? I want

to start on that door.....

Topper ()

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:30:23 -0000 " astrodiana "

writes:

> Sending you light...you sound like you know what you're doing. It's

> good always to remember the adrenal stuff doesn't always show itself

> until a counter balance tries to occur when you up your thyroid.

> and

> time and time again, I see people overlook that...even though they

> know better. and I overlooked it with my son too - kept giving him

> DHEA, and 2 Isocort daily, but it turns out that wasn't what he

> needed.

[Guest guest]

We all learn as we go... I feel like a dope for doing what I did.... and

it's not helping to spill my guts here.... but if others are made aware

of what can happen if you aren't aware of your body and what it's telling

you... maybe someone else won't have to go through what I am right

now......

Anybody got a salt shaker?.... and maybe about 3 pounds of butter? I want

to start on that door.....

Topper ()

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:30:23 -0000 " astrodiana "

writes:

> Sending you light...you sound like you know what you're doing. It's

> good always to remember the adrenal stuff doesn't always show itself

> until a counter balance tries to occur when you up your thyroid.

> and

> time and time again, I see people overlook that...even though they

> know better. and I overlooked it with my son too - kept giving him

> DHEA, and 2 Isocort daily, but it turns out that wasn't what he

> needed.

[Guest guest]

We all learn as we go... I feel like a dope for doing what I did.... and

it's not helping to spill my guts here.... but if others are made aware

of what can happen if you aren't aware of your body and what it's telling

you... maybe someone else won't have to go through what I am right

now......

Anybody got a salt shaker?.... and maybe about 3 pounds of butter? I want

to start on that door.....

Topper ()

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:30:23 -0000 " astrodiana "

writes:

> Sending you light...you sound like you know what you're doing. It's

> good always to remember the adrenal stuff doesn't always show itself

> until a counter balance tries to occur when you up your thyroid.

> and

> time and time again, I see people overlook that...even though they

> know better. and I overlooked it with my son too - kept giving him

> DHEA, and 2 Isocort daily, but it turns out that wasn't what he

> needed.

[Guest guest]

> Anybody got a salt shaker?.... and maybe about 3 pounds of butter?

I want

> to start on that door.....

>

> Topper ()

YUM YUM! diana

[Guest guest]

>It's good always to remember the adrenal stuff doesn't always show

itself until a counter balance tries to occur when you up your

thyroid. and time and time again, I see people overlook

that...even though they know better. and I overlooked it with my

son too - kept giving him DHEA, and 2 Isocort daily, but it turns

out that wasn't what he

> needed.

, are you saying your gave your son DHEA and Isocort, and he

needed neither?

Janie

[Guest guest]

--- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " loboshe " <usns@r...>

> , are you saying your gave your son DHEA and Isocort, and he

> needed neither?

>

> Janie

His DHEA was over the top when tested, and the isocort was not

enough for him in his condition.

[Guest guest]

--- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " loboshe " <usns@r...>

> , are you saying your gave your son DHEA and Isocort, and he

> needed neither?

>

> Janie

His DHEA was over the top when tested, and the isocort was not

enough for him in his condition.

[Guest guest]

--- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " loboshe " <usns@r...>

> , are you saying your gave your son DHEA and Isocort, and he

> needed neither?

>

> Janie

His DHEA was over the top when tested, and the isocort was not

enough for him in his condition.

[Guest guest]

> His DHEA was over the top when tested, and the isocort was not

> enough for him in his condition.

Got ya. I do notice a difference between taking 3 Isocort tabs, vs.

taking 6 tabs. The latter is better.

Janie

[Guest guest]

I'm STARVING!

Topper ()

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 01:01:22 -0000 " astrodiana "

writes:

>

> YUM YUM! diana

[Guest guest]

I'm STARVING!

Topper ()

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 01:01:22 -0000 " astrodiana "

writes:

>

> YUM YUM! diana

[Guest guest]

More Fiber in the diet, Pard?

Feisty

Re: Re: Take care when increasing thyroid

dose

> We all learn as we go... I feel like a dope for doing what I did.... and

> it's not helping to spill my guts here.... but if others are made aware

> of what can happen if you aren't aware of your body and what it's telling

> you... maybe someone else won't have to go through what I am right

> now......

>

> Anybody got a salt shaker?.... and maybe about 3 pounds of butter? I want

> to start on that door.....

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:30:23 -0000 " astrodiana "

> writes:

> > Sending you light...you sound like you know what you're doing. It's

> > good always to remember the adrenal stuff doesn't always show itself

> > until a counter balance tries to occur when you up your thyroid.

> > and

> > time and time again, I see people overlook that...even though they

> > know better. and I overlooked it with my son too - kept giving him

> > DHEA, and 2 Isocort daily, but it turns out that wasn't what he

> > needed.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > His DHEA was over the top when tested, and the isocort was not

> > enough for him in his condition.

>

> Got ya. I do notice a difference between taking 3 Isocort tabs, vs.

> taking 6 tabs. The latter is better.

>

> Janie

The doc also explained to me that the body sometimes conpensates for

low cortisol levels by increasing its own natural DHEA (more

complicated than this, but for simplicity's sake). I was on 50mg.

DHEA for 8 years....per the doctor's instructions and it did wonders

for me (this plus minocycline rid me totally of rheumatoid arthritis

I had for about 20 years)...so, of course, I was of the mindset that

DHEA was good stuff...although I had tested very low for it. I

recently cut it out for 6 weeks and now went down to 5mg. daily.

[Guest guest]

> > His DHEA was over the top when tested, and the isocort was not

> > enough for him in his condition.

>

> Got ya. I do notice a difference between taking 3 Isocort tabs, vs.

> taking 6 tabs. The latter is better.

>

> Janie

The doc also explained to me that the body sometimes conpensates for

low cortisol levels by increasing its own natural DHEA (more

complicated than this, but for simplicity's sake). I was on 50mg.

DHEA for 8 years....per the doctor's instructions and it did wonders

for me (this plus minocycline rid me totally of rheumatoid arthritis

I had for about 20 years)...so, of course, I was of the mindset that

DHEA was good stuff...although I had tested very low for it. I

recently cut it out for 6 weeks and now went down to 5mg. daily.

[Guest guest]

yeah... that's it! hehhhehehehehee

Topper ()

On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:16:41 -0600 " Webb Osterloh "

writes:

> More Fiber in the diet, Pard?

> Feisty

[Guest guest]

I was just thinking...could these symptoms be considered a crash??? Maybe a

stupid question but I've always wondered exactly what a " crash " is. Anyone can

help me??

Patti : )

Re: Take care when increasing thyroid dose

Just as a comment for those that are self-medicating and considering

increasing doses to the suggested target of three grain.... it's not for

everyone.... I have no thyroid function and about 15 days or so ago went

to 3 grain (an increase of 1/4 tablet per day, from 2 1/2 grain to

3)..... I've struggled to stick it out but my hyper symptoms were not

subsiding..... I have reduced my dose in attempt to get rid of the

hyper.... I took no doses from noon yesterday until 3 pm today.... that

was about 2 hours ago.... I still have the shakes.... I'll not be taking

any more until noon tomorrow (my doses are taken 1/2 grain, 1 quarter tab

chip, at a time....) and right now I can't even handle that half grain.

severe headache

fourth day of nose bleeds

shaking hands

heart palps and chest pain

cramping muscles

insatiable appetite, I considering a salt shaker and the office door

right now...

severe anxiety

insomnia

.. I've turned into a heat pump... I'm warm at 64 degree house temps

(while sitting and working on revamping computers for the last three

days!)

dehydrated, chapped lips and no need to void bladder

panic attacks (I laid in bed for 20 minutes this morning listening to

someone walking up an down the hall. I was looking out the open bedroom

door and there was no one there... yet for 20 minutes I heard every foot

step and every creaking floorboard of a person walking back and forth.

I'm in this house alone for another three days... there was no one

there!)

Pulse rate at rest is over 90..... I'm not doing basals... I'm afraid to.

I wanted to tough it out and see if I could adjust.. but it's not

working... at all....

I'm just saying to be aware of your body and listen to it... don't be

stupid, like me... and push it if you're body says to stop!

Topper ()

On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 22:54:57 -0000 " loboshe " writes:

> , even you may not be on a high enough dose of Armour! Take

> myself, for example. I found my " optimal " dose at 2 grains one year

> ago. I called it optimal because I had great energy, besides the new

> texture of my hair, softer skin, no more low-grade depression, etc.

> I

> figured that if I had THIS much energy, I must be on the perfect

> dose.

> But I was wrong. And what influenced me was being in touch with Dr.

> Derry in Canada who reminded us that folks were usually on 3

> grains and more before the TSH was introduced in 1975! Since I had

> already tried 2 1/4 grains successfully, I went up 2 1/2, and now 2

> 3/4 grains..........with a goal of 3 grains.

> The above is NOT to say all folks here need to be on 3 grains or

> more! But it speaks of the reality that most of us could probably

> stand to be on more!

> Since I have increased once again, I have noticed even more

> improvements in other areas! Amazing. I was wrong to figure that

> once

> I got great energy, I was where I needed to be dose-wise!!

> And one more idea---you are right. Some folks just have lower temps.

> But do explore the ideas above. It might make the difference in your

> body temp.

>

> Janie aka ThyroDiva

[Guest guest]

,

May I ask the approximate dates of your previous episodes in which you

experienced the same symptoms that you are having now? I think you may

have shared this before, but my mind has been useless of late. Also, the

approximate area of the country that you live in? I'll be glad to answer

any questions you may have....I've sort of been studying how people

respond to environmental signals....such as a forme fruste hyperthyroidism

related to positive ionization of the atmosphere.

Take good care,

Hugo

> I do dread the cramping muscles as I come down off of this... it's

> already starting in my feet..... and the nose bleed has finally

> stopped.... this last tissue was clear!

[Guest guest]

People use the word 'crash' for a few sets of symptoms..... Most of the

time it's considered a system failure do to over exertion, illness..

something along that line.... What I'm going through now is definitely

hyper due to an increase in thyroid hormone that was more that my body

could take, either flat out it can't take more or because of the weight

I've lost over the last two months AND the increase in meds, that

combination cause the hyper state from too much more over too short a

period of time..

I went through hyper storm which resulted in RAI and several hyper

phases, like now, from med increases... not as bad as this time... I was

REALLY stupid trying to push it even though I was experiencing symptoms.

But from the past experiences with this I know that going in to an

emergency room or hospital that there is nothing that they can do.... you

just have to be vary aware of physical symptoms and limit activity to

keep heart rate down.. Oh... my basal rate this morning was 87..... it

was over 95 about half an hour after I went to bed last night.

.... no question is stupid.... asking questions is how we learn.... and

learning is why were in this group, right?

Topper ()

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:02:11 -0500 " VITO LABELLARTE "

writes:

> I was just thinking...could these symptoms be considered a crash???

> Maybe a stupid question but I've always wondered exactly what a

> " crash " is. Anyone can help me??

> Patti : )

[Guest guest]

I went through hyper storm for about a year before a doc figured it

out... before that they guessed I'd been hyper since puberty... steadily

increasing until the storm... So.... roughly 18 to 20 years of gradual

increase to the storm that started some time during the spring of '89 and

then RAI in '90..

The minor hyper phases I went through involved med increases... for the

first five years or so they consisted of mostly nausea, headaches,

anxiety and panic attacks..... As I came down from them I had severe

cramping of muscles.... much like what you get after a lot of activity,

like an exercise routine that you follow for months and then suddenly

stop.... that type of cramp/ache. At first I thought that came from

having been a body builder and no longer being able to work out.... but

it's happened many times since then and I now know that it's from the

lack of muscle activity after prolonged 'twitching/firing' of the muscles

after being hyper.

The bloody nose.. I don't get them often enough to say I even get

them..... I thought that it was the extremely dry air in the house, I'm

in Minnesota.... but after it was still going the second day.... just

enough to make me feel the need to sniff... and then when I blew my nose

the tissue had bright red blood.... I started to worry a bit..... So....

get extra humidity in the house.... I put some stuff on the stove that

needed all day simmering.... great way to get some moisture in the

air.... didn't help..... what did it was to stop taking thyroid.... I was

off from about noon Saturday... and by Sunday afternoon my nose was

blowing clear.... It's fine this morning too... but still feeling really

congested.

I normally take my doses a half grain at a time..... I was on five doses

a day... .it's when I went to six that I got the problems..... I took a

half grain yesterday and 3 and was still experiencing shaky hands at

5..... I'll take a 1/2 grain dose again today sometime between noon and

three and see how I responds.

I'm still taking my normal doses of everything else..... so that I don't

get my system out of whack in another direction.

I've not had any of these fluctuations during any particular time of the

year... but I do suffer from seasonal depression if I don't provide

proper lighting in the winter time.... I've been aware of that for about

20 years now... so I tend to arrange rooms so that I get sunrise light in

my face.. to get good stimulation of the hypothalamus.... that does it

for me.... Correct artificial lighting will do it too... but is needed

for duration of time.... indirect sunlight that hits my face for just a

couple of hours in the morning and I have no problems.... more than a

week of no morning sunrise and I'm getting very cranky and gloomy.

I'd love to hear more about the stuff that you're researching....

Topper ()

On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 22:28:07 -0800 (PST) Hugo

writes:

> ,

> May I ask the approximate dates of your previous episodes in which

> you

> experienced the same symptoms that you are having now? I think you

> may

> have shared this before, but my mind has been useless of late. Also,

> the

> approximate area of the country that you live in? I'll be glad to

> answer

> any questions you may have....I've sort of been studying how people

> respond to environmental signals....such as a forme fruste

> hyperthyroidism related to positive ionization of the atmosphere.

> Take good care,

> Hugo