Re: Take care when increasing thyroid dose

[Guest guest]

I agree Topper,this really sounds serious!

Love & Hug's

Shirley

Re: Take care when increasing thyroid dose

> Just as a comment for those that are self-medicating and considering

> increasing doses to the suggested target of three grain.... it's not for

> everyone.... I have no thyroid function and about 15 days or so ago went

> to 3 grain (an increase of 1/4 tablet per day, from 2 1/2 grain to

> 3)..... I've struggled to stick it out but my hyper symptoms were not

> subsiding..... I have reduced my dose in attempt to get rid of the

> hyper.... I took no doses from noon yesterday until 3 pm today.... that

> was about 2 hours ago.... I still have the shakes.... I'll not be taking

> any more until noon tomorrow (my doses are taken 1/2 grain, 1 quarter tab

> chip, at a time....) and right now I can't even handle that half grain.

>

> severe headache

> fourth day of nose bleeds

> shaking hands

> heart palps and chest pain

> cramping muscles

> insatiable appetite, I considering a salt shaker and the office door

> right now...

> severe anxiety

> insomnia

> .. I've turned into a heat pump... I'm warm at 64 degree house temps

> (while sitting and working on revamping computers for the last three

> days!)

> dehydrated, chapped lips and no need to void bladder

> panic attacks (I laid in bed for 20 minutes this morning listening to

> someone walking up an down the hall. I was looking out the open bedroom

> door and there was no one there... yet for 20 minutes I heard every foot

> step and every creaking floorboard of a person walking back and forth.

> I'm in this house alone for another three days... there was no one

> there!)

> Pulse rate at rest is over 90..... I'm not doing basals... I'm afraid to.

>

> I wanted to tough it out and see if I could adjust.. but it's not

> working... at all....

>

> I'm just saying to be aware of your body and listen to it... don't be

> stupid, like me... and push it if you're body says to stop!

>

> Topper ()

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[Guest guest]

I agree Topper,this really sounds serious!

Love & Hug's

Shirley

Re: Take care when increasing thyroid dose

> Just as a comment for those that are self-medicating and considering

> increasing doses to the suggested target of three grain.... it's not for

> everyone.... I have no thyroid function and about 15 days or so ago went

> to 3 grain (an increase of 1/4 tablet per day, from 2 1/2 grain to

> 3)..... I've struggled to stick it out but my hyper symptoms were not

> subsiding..... I have reduced my dose in attempt to get rid of the

> hyper.... I took no doses from noon yesterday until 3 pm today.... that

> was about 2 hours ago.... I still have the shakes.... I'll not be taking

> any more until noon tomorrow (my doses are taken 1/2 grain, 1 quarter tab

> chip, at a time....) and right now I can't even handle that half grain.

>

> severe headache

> fourth day of nose bleeds

> shaking hands

> heart palps and chest pain

> cramping muscles

> insatiable appetite, I considering a salt shaker and the office door

> right now...

> severe anxiety

> insomnia

> .. I've turned into a heat pump... I'm warm at 64 degree house temps

> (while sitting and working on revamping computers for the last three

> days!)

> dehydrated, chapped lips and no need to void bladder

> panic attacks (I laid in bed for 20 minutes this morning listening to

> someone walking up an down the hall. I was looking out the open bedroom

> door and there was no one there... yet for 20 minutes I heard every foot

> step and every creaking floorboard of a person walking back and forth.

> I'm in this house alone for another three days... there was no one

> there!)

> Pulse rate at rest is over 90..... I'm not doing basals... I'm afraid to.

>

> I wanted to tough it out and see if I could adjust.. but it's not

> working... at all....

>

> I'm just saying to be aware of your body and listen to it... don't be

> stupid, like me... and push it if you're body says to stop!

>

> Topper ()

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[Guest guest]

I agree Topper,this really sounds serious!

Love & Hug's

Shirley

Re: Take care when increasing thyroid dose

> Just as a comment for those that are self-medicating and considering

> increasing doses to the suggested target of three grain.... it's not for

> everyone.... I have no thyroid function and about 15 days or so ago went

> to 3 grain (an increase of 1/4 tablet per day, from 2 1/2 grain to

> 3)..... I've struggled to stick it out but my hyper symptoms were not

> subsiding..... I have reduced my dose in attempt to get rid of the

> hyper.... I took no doses from noon yesterday until 3 pm today.... that

> was about 2 hours ago.... I still have the shakes.... I'll not be taking

> any more until noon tomorrow (my doses are taken 1/2 grain, 1 quarter tab

> chip, at a time....) and right now I can't even handle that half grain.

>

> severe headache

> fourth day of nose bleeds

> shaking hands

> heart palps and chest pain

> cramping muscles

> insatiable appetite, I considering a salt shaker and the office door

> right now...

> severe anxiety

> insomnia

> .. I've turned into a heat pump... I'm warm at 64 degree house temps

> (while sitting and working on revamping computers for the last three

> days!)

> dehydrated, chapped lips and no need to void bladder

> panic attacks (I laid in bed for 20 minutes this morning listening to

> someone walking up an down the hall. I was looking out the open bedroom

> door and there was no one there... yet for 20 minutes I heard every foot

> step and every creaking floorboard of a person walking back and forth.

> I'm in this house alone for another three days... there was no one

> there!)

> Pulse rate at rest is over 90..... I'm not doing basals... I'm afraid to.

>

> I wanted to tough it out and see if I could adjust.. but it's not

> working... at all....

>

> I'm just saying to be aware of your body and listen to it... don't be

> stupid, like me... and push it if you're body says to stop!

>

> Topper ()

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[Guest guest]

Take good care of yourself!!!! WE NEED YOU!!!!

Shirley

Re: Take care when increasing thyroid dose

I've been to emergency rooms with this in past years.. they do nothing

for you.. because there is nothing that they can do... they just send you

home and then send you a huge bill.....

It's a matter of waiting until the excess of T4 in the body tissues is

used up.... I'm continuing selenium and vitamin C supplements to optimize

conversion... and will just ride it out... It's not the first time for

me.... But that does not mean that I enjoy it.

Thanks for your concern... I do appreciate it.... *shy smile*

Topper ()

On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:24:53 -0800 " Bliss Workz "

writes:

> I really think that you need to go to an ER and get medical

> attention. This

> is very serious and not to be played around with. Please go & get

> some help. please...

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Just as a comment for those that are self-medicating and considering

increasing doses to the suggested target of three grain.... it's not for

everyone.... I have no thyroid function and about 15 days or so ago went

to 3 grain (an increase of 1/4 tablet per day, from 2 1/2 grain to

3)..... I've struggled to stick it out but my hyper symptoms were not

subsiding..... I have reduced my dose in attempt to get rid of the

hyper.... I took no doses from noon yesterday until 3 pm today.... that

was about 2 hours ago.... I still have the shakes.... I'll not be taking

any more until noon tomorrow (my doses are taken 1/2 grain, 1 quarter tab

chip, at a time....) and right now I can't even handle that half grain.

severe headache

fourth day of nose bleeds

shaking hands

heart palps and chest pain

cramping muscles

insatiable appetite, I considering a salt shaker and the office door

right now...

severe anxiety

insomnia

... I've turned into a heat pump... I'm warm at 64 degree house temps

(while sitting and working on revamping computers for the last three

days!)

dehydrated, chapped lips and no need to void bladder

panic attacks (I laid in bed for 20 minutes this morning listening to

someone walking up an down the hall. I was looking out the open bedroom

door and there was no one there... yet for 20 minutes I heard every foot

step and every creaking floorboard of a person walking back and forth.

I'm in this house alone for another three days... there was no one

there!)

Pulse rate at rest is over 90..... I'm not doing basals... I'm afraid to.

I wanted to tough it out and see if I could adjust.. but it's not

working... at all....

I'm just saying to be aware of your body and listen to it... don't be

stupid, like me... and push it if you're body says to stop!

Topper ()

On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 22:54:57 -0000 " loboshe " writes:

> , even you may not be on a high enough dose of Armour! Take

> myself, for example. I found my " optimal " dose at 2 grains one year

> ago. I called it optimal because I had great energy, besides the new

> texture of my hair, softer skin, no more low-grade depression, etc.

> I

> figured that if I had THIS much energy, I must be on the perfect

> dose.

> But I was wrong. And what influenced me was being in touch with Dr.

> Derry in Canada who reminded us that folks were usually on 3

> grains and more before the TSH was introduced in 1975! Since I had

> already tried 2 1/4 grains successfully, I went up 2 1/2, and now 2

> 3/4 grains..........with a goal of 3 grains.

> The above is NOT to say all folks here need to be on 3 grains or

> more! But it speaks of the reality that most of us could probably

> stand to be on more!

> Since I have increased once again, I have noticed even more

> improvements in other areas! Amazing. I was wrong to figure that

> once

> I got great energy, I was where I needed to be dose-wise!!

> And one more idea---you are right. Some folks just have lower temps.

> But do explore the ideas above. It might make the difference in your

> body temp.

>

> Janie aka ThyroDiva

[Guest guest]

Just as a comment for those that are self-medicating and considering

increasing doses to the suggested target of three grain.... it's not for

everyone.... I have no thyroid function and about 15 days or so ago went

to 3 grain (an increase of 1/4 tablet per day, from 2 1/2 grain to

3)..... I've struggled to stick it out but my hyper symptoms were not

subsiding..... I have reduced my dose in attempt to get rid of the

hyper.... I took no doses from noon yesterday until 3 pm today.... that

was about 2 hours ago.... I still have the shakes.... I'll not be taking

any more until noon tomorrow (my doses are taken 1/2 grain, 1 quarter tab

chip, at a time....) and right now I can't even handle that half grain.

severe headache

fourth day of nose bleeds

shaking hands

heart palps and chest pain

cramping muscles

insatiable appetite, I considering a salt shaker and the office door

right now...

severe anxiety

insomnia

... I've turned into a heat pump... I'm warm at 64 degree house temps

(while sitting and working on revamping computers for the last three

days!)

dehydrated, chapped lips and no need to void bladder

panic attacks (I laid in bed for 20 minutes this morning listening to

someone walking up an down the hall. I was looking out the open bedroom

door and there was no one there... yet for 20 minutes I heard every foot

step and every creaking floorboard of a person walking back and forth.

I'm in this house alone for another three days... there was no one

there!)

Pulse rate at rest is over 90..... I'm not doing basals... I'm afraid to.

I wanted to tough it out and see if I could adjust.. but it's not

working... at all....

I'm just saying to be aware of your body and listen to it... don't be

stupid, like me... and push it if you're body says to stop!

Topper ()

On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 22:54:57 -0000 " loboshe " writes:

> , even you may not be on a high enough dose of Armour! Take

> myself, for example. I found my " optimal " dose at 2 grains one year

> ago. I called it optimal because I had great energy, besides the new

> texture of my hair, softer skin, no more low-grade depression, etc.

> I

> figured that if I had THIS much energy, I must be on the perfect

> dose.

> But I was wrong. And what influenced me was being in touch with Dr.

> Derry in Canada who reminded us that folks were usually on 3

> grains and more before the TSH was introduced in 1975! Since I had

> already tried 2 1/4 grains successfully, I went up 2 1/2, and now 2

> 3/4 grains..........with a goal of 3 grains.

> The above is NOT to say all folks here need to be on 3 grains or

> more! But it speaks of the reality that most of us could probably

> stand to be on more!

> Since I have increased once again, I have noticed even more

> improvements in other areas! Amazing. I was wrong to figure that

> once

> I got great energy, I was where I needed to be dose-wise!!

> And one more idea---you are right. Some folks just have lower temps.

> But do explore the ideas above. It might make the difference in your

> body temp.

>

> Janie aka ThyroDiva

[Guest guest]

I really think that you need to go to an ER and get medical attention. This

is very serious and not to be played around with. Please go & get some help.

please...

Re: Take care when increasing thyroid dose

> Just as a comment for those that are self-medicating and considering

> increasing doses to the suggested target of three grain.... it's not for

> everyone.... I have no thyroid function and about 15 days or so ago went

> to 3 grain (an increase of 1/4 tablet per day, from 2 1/2 grain to

> 3)..... I've struggled to stick it out but my hyper symptoms were not

> subsiding..... I have reduced my dose in attempt to get rid of the

> hyper.... I took no doses from noon yesterday until 3 pm today.... that

> was about 2 hours ago.... I still have the shakes.... I'll not be taking

> any more until noon tomorrow (my doses are taken 1/2 grain, 1 quarter tab

> chip, at a time....) and right now I can't even handle that half grain.

>

> severe headache

> fourth day of nose bleeds

> shaking hands

> heart palps and chest pain

> cramping muscles

> insatiable appetite, I considering a salt shaker and the office door

> right now...

> severe anxiety

> insomnia

> .. I've turned into a heat pump... I'm warm at 64 degree house temps

> (while sitting and working on revamping computers for the last three

> days!)

> dehydrated, chapped lips and no need to void bladder

> panic attacks (I laid in bed for 20 minutes this morning listening to

> someone walking up an down the hall. I was looking out the open bedroom

> door and there was no one there... yet for 20 minutes I heard every foot

> step and every creaking floorboard of a person walking back and forth.

> I'm in this house alone for another three days... there was no one

> there!)

> Pulse rate at rest is over 90..... I'm not doing basals... I'm afraid to.

>

> I wanted to tough it out and see if I could adjust.. but it's not

> working... at all....

>

> I'm just saying to be aware of your body and listen to it... don't be

> stupid, like me... and push it if you're body says to stop!

>

> Topper ()

[Guest guest]

I really think that you need to go to an ER and get medical attention. This

is very serious and not to be played around with. Please go & get some help.

please...

Re: Take care when increasing thyroid dose

> Just as a comment for those that are self-medicating and considering

> increasing doses to the suggested target of three grain.... it's not for

> everyone.... I have no thyroid function and about 15 days or so ago went

> to 3 grain (an increase of 1/4 tablet per day, from 2 1/2 grain to

> 3)..... I've struggled to stick it out but my hyper symptoms were not

> subsiding..... I have reduced my dose in attempt to get rid of the

> hyper.... I took no doses from noon yesterday until 3 pm today.... that

> was about 2 hours ago.... I still have the shakes.... I'll not be taking

> any more until noon tomorrow (my doses are taken 1/2 grain, 1 quarter tab

> chip, at a time....) and right now I can't even handle that half grain.

>

> severe headache

> fourth day of nose bleeds

> shaking hands

> heart palps and chest pain

> cramping muscles

> insatiable appetite, I considering a salt shaker and the office door

> right now...

> severe anxiety

> insomnia

> .. I've turned into a heat pump... I'm warm at 64 degree house temps

> (while sitting and working on revamping computers for the last three

> days!)

> dehydrated, chapped lips and no need to void bladder

> panic attacks (I laid in bed for 20 minutes this morning listening to

> someone walking up an down the hall. I was looking out the open bedroom

> door and there was no one there... yet for 20 minutes I heard every foot

> step and every creaking floorboard of a person walking back and forth.

> I'm in this house alone for another three days... there was no one

> there!)

> Pulse rate at rest is over 90..... I'm not doing basals... I'm afraid to.

>

> I wanted to tough it out and see if I could adjust.. but it's not

> working... at all....

>

> I'm just saying to be aware of your body and listen to it... don't be

> stupid, like me... and push it if you're body says to stop!

>

> Topper ()

[Guest guest]

I really think that you need to go to an ER and get medical attention. This

is very serious and not to be played around with. Please go & get some help.

please...

Re: Take care when increasing thyroid dose

> Just as a comment for those that are self-medicating and considering

> increasing doses to the suggested target of three grain.... it's not for

> everyone.... I have no thyroid function and about 15 days or so ago went

> to 3 grain (an increase of 1/4 tablet per day, from 2 1/2 grain to

> 3)..... I've struggled to stick it out but my hyper symptoms were not

> subsiding..... I have reduced my dose in attempt to get rid of the

> hyper.... I took no doses from noon yesterday until 3 pm today.... that

> was about 2 hours ago.... I still have the shakes.... I'll not be taking

> any more until noon tomorrow (my doses are taken 1/2 grain, 1 quarter tab

> chip, at a time....) and right now I can't even handle that half grain.

>

> severe headache

> fourth day of nose bleeds

> shaking hands

> heart palps and chest pain

> cramping muscles

> insatiable appetite, I considering a salt shaker and the office door

> right now...

> severe anxiety

> insomnia

> .. I've turned into a heat pump... I'm warm at 64 degree house temps

> (while sitting and working on revamping computers for the last three

> days!)

> dehydrated, chapped lips and no need to void bladder

> panic attacks (I laid in bed for 20 minutes this morning listening to

> someone walking up an down the hall. I was looking out the open bedroom

> door and there was no one there... yet for 20 minutes I heard every foot

> step and every creaking floorboard of a person walking back and forth.

> I'm in this house alone for another three days... there was no one

> there!)

> Pulse rate at rest is over 90..... I'm not doing basals... I'm afraid to.

>

> I wanted to tough it out and see if I could adjust.. but it's not

> working... at all....

>

> I'm just saying to be aware of your body and listen to it... don't be

> stupid, like me... and push it if you're body says to stop!

>

> Topper ()

[Guest guest]

>

> I wanted to tough it out and see if I could adjust.. but it's not

> working... at all....

>

> I'm just saying to be aware of your body and listen to it... don't

be

> stupid, like me... and push it if you're body says to stop!

>

> Topper ()

>

- you take care. I guess it's dumb of me to ask if you are

supporting your adrenals. I'm sure you are aware of the need for

that, esp. when upping your dose. A little heart palp is one thing

for a week or so after upping your dose...any other symptoms and I

would back off quickly. Let me tell you about my son. The older son

has been on Armour for about 8 years - and I have been on Armour for

about 9-1/2, another year before that synthroid...the younger one, 29

went on Armour last April, 1 grain. In June, the doctor put him up

to 90 mg. And in August, he went to the doctor and told him he was

feeling worse, not better, exhausted among other things. Very easily

startled....some of your typical adrenal symptoms and some not so

typical. He asked the doctor to up his dose to 2 grains, but the

doctor (being very intutive himself)did muscle testing and asked does

Adam need to increase his Armour? - NO - does Adam need adrenal

support? Yes - he asked over and over and got the same answers from

muscle testing. He ordered an adrenal profile - saliva testing 4X

during the day...and sure enough adrenal fatigue..bordering on

exhaustion. Before the test came and the results were back, he had

already taken him off Armour and then when the test came back, put

him on Cortef...a week later, he started him back on Armour, 1

grain. He said at that time...it's not only not helpful but counter-

productive to raise Armour if you've got adrenal fatigue...Drove the

point home once again for me. We know these things, and yet

sometimes we don't realize uit when we are living thru it

ourselves...it's easier to see in someone else, I think.

[Guest guest]

>

> I wanted to tough it out and see if I could adjust.. but it's not

> working... at all....

>

> I'm just saying to be aware of your body and listen to it... don't

be

> stupid, like me... and push it if you're body says to stop!

>

> Topper ()

>

- you take care. I guess it's dumb of me to ask if you are

supporting your adrenals. I'm sure you are aware of the need for

that, esp. when upping your dose. A little heart palp is one thing

for a week or so after upping your dose...any other symptoms and I

would back off quickly. Let me tell you about my son. The older son

has been on Armour for about 8 years - and I have been on Armour for

about 9-1/2, another year before that synthroid...the younger one, 29

went on Armour last April, 1 grain. In June, the doctor put him up

to 90 mg. And in August, he went to the doctor and told him he was

feeling worse, not better, exhausted among other things. Very easily

startled....some of your typical adrenal symptoms and some not so

typical. He asked the doctor to up his dose to 2 grains, but the

doctor (being very intutive himself)did muscle testing and asked does

Adam need to increase his Armour? - NO - does Adam need adrenal

support? Yes - he asked over and over and got the same answers from

muscle testing. He ordered an adrenal profile - saliva testing 4X

during the day...and sure enough adrenal fatigue..bordering on

exhaustion. Before the test came and the results were back, he had

already taken him off Armour and then when the test came back, put

him on Cortef...a week later, he started him back on Armour, 1

grain. He said at that time...it's not only not helpful but counter-

productive to raise Armour if you've got adrenal fatigue...Drove the

point home once again for me. We know these things, and yet

sometimes we don't realize uit when we are living thru it

ourselves...it's easier to see in someone else, I think.

[Guest guest]

>

> I wanted to tough it out and see if I could adjust.. but it's not

> working... at all....

>

> I'm just saying to be aware of your body and listen to it... don't

be

> stupid, like me... and push it if you're body says to stop!

>

> Topper ()

>

- you take care. I guess it's dumb of me to ask if you are

supporting your adrenals. I'm sure you are aware of the need for

that, esp. when upping your dose. A little heart palp is one thing

for a week or so after upping your dose...any other symptoms and I

would back off quickly. Let me tell you about my son. The older son

has been on Armour for about 8 years - and I have been on Armour for

about 9-1/2, another year before that synthroid...the younger one, 29

went on Armour last April, 1 grain. In June, the doctor put him up

to 90 mg. And in August, he went to the doctor and told him he was

feeling worse, not better, exhausted among other things. Very easily

startled....some of your typical adrenal symptoms and some not so

typical. He asked the doctor to up his dose to 2 grains, but the

doctor (being very intutive himself)did muscle testing and asked does

Adam need to increase his Armour? - NO - does Adam need adrenal

support? Yes - he asked over and over and got the same answers from

muscle testing. He ordered an adrenal profile - saliva testing 4X

during the day...and sure enough adrenal fatigue..bordering on

exhaustion. Before the test came and the results were back, he had

already taken him off Armour and then when the test came back, put

him on Cortef...a week later, he started him back on Armour, 1

grain. He said at that time...it's not only not helpful but counter-

productive to raise Armour if you've got adrenal fatigue...Drove the

point home once again for me. We know these things, and yet

sometimes we don't realize uit when we are living thru it

ourselves...it's easier to see in someone else, I think.

[Guest guest]

I've been to emergency rooms with this in past years.. they do nothing

for you.. because there is nothing that they can do... they just send you

home and then send you a huge bill.....

It's a matter of waiting until the excess of T4 in the body tissues is

used up.... I'm continuing selenium and vitamin C supplements to optimize

conversion... and will just ride it out... It's not the first time for

me.... But that does not mean that I enjoy it.

Thanks for your concern... I do appreciate it.... *shy smile*

Topper ()

On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:24:53 -0800 " Bliss Workz "

writes:

> I really think that you need to go to an ER and get medical

> attention. This

> is very serious and not to be played around with. Please go & get

> some help. please...

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've been to emergency rooms with this in past years.. they do nothing

for you.. because there is nothing that they can do... they just send you

home and then send you a huge bill.....

It's a matter of waiting until the excess of T4 in the body tissues is

used up.... I'm continuing selenium and vitamin C supplements to optimize

conversion... and will just ride it out... It's not the first time for

me.... But that does not mean that I enjoy it.

Thanks for your concern... I do appreciate it.... *shy smile*

Topper ()

On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:24:53 -0800 " Bliss Workz "

writes:

> I really think that you need to go to an ER and get medical

> attention. This

> is very serious and not to be played around with. Please go & get

> some help. please...

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was on Synthroid until late in '99... in the summer of '02 I started

taking naturals (OTC at first and now a generic brand of Armour)..... My

max dose of Synthroid was 200 mcg.... that was about 1/3 less then what I

should have been on for my body size at that time and the fact that my

thyroid had been destroyed via RAI.

Topper ()

On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:25:51 -0800 (PST) Hultgren Catarina

writes:

> , were you on Synthroid (and Cytomel) before taking Thyroid and,

> if yes, what was your daily dose of synthetic hormones?

> Catarina

[Guest guest]

I was on Synthroid until late in '99... in the summer of '02 I started

taking naturals (OTC at first and now a generic brand of Armour)..... My

max dose of Synthroid was 200 mcg.... that was about 1/3 less then what I

should have been on for my body size at that time and the fact that my

thyroid had been destroyed via RAI.

Topper ()

On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:25:51 -0800 (PST) Hultgren Catarina

writes:

> , were you on Synthroid (and Cytomel) before taking Thyroid and,

> if yes, what was your daily dose of synthetic hormones?

> Catarina

[Guest guest]

I was on Synthroid until late in '99... in the summer of '02 I started

taking naturals (OTC at first and now a generic brand of Armour)..... My

max dose of Synthroid was 200 mcg.... that was about 1/3 less then what I

should have been on for my body size at that time and the fact that my

thyroid had been destroyed via RAI.

Topper ()

On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:25:51 -0800 (PST) Hultgren Catarina

writes:

> , were you on Synthroid (and Cytomel) before taking Thyroid and,

> if yes, what was your daily dose of synthetic hormones?

> Catarina

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for asking the question, to make sure that I'd not missed

something.... I've been on Bovine adrenal glandular for nearly a year...

and even though I stopped the thyroid, and am now reducing until my

tissues purge, I will continue my Adrenal, Selenium, Vitamin C and DHEA

at normal doses... I don't need to stress my system more by messing up

those levels as well....

The Selenium and C will continue to encourage T4/T3 conversion and help

to use up the excess T4 in my tissues right now.....

I should have stopped a week ago... but just kept pushing it.... after

what I went through yesterday morning.... lets just say that I pigged out

on about a pound of truffle and then went into super phase, physically

and mentally for about 10 hours... that's what convinced me that I wasn't

imagining.....

Live and learn... I shared the story here and on TTSG... so that others

are a bit more observant with themselves and maybe don't push as far as I

did if they are seeing negative symptoms to an increase that doesn't ease

up in a couple of days....

Topper ()

> - you take care. I guess it's dumb of me to ask if you are

> supporting your adrenals. I'm sure you are aware of the need for

> that, esp. when upping your dose. A little heart palp is one thing

> for a week or so after upping your dose...any other symptoms and I

> would back off quickly. Let me tell you about my son. The older son

> has been on Armour for about 8 years - and I have been on Armour for

> about 9-1/2, another year before that synthroid...the younger one, 29

> went on Armour last April, 1 grain. In June, the doctor put him up

> to 90 mg. And in August, he went to the doctor and told him he was

> feeling worse, not better, exhausted among other things. Very easily

> startled....some of your typical adrenal symptoms and some not so

> typical. He asked the doctor to up his dose to 2 grains, but the

> doctor (being very intutive himself)did muscle testing and asked does

> Adam need to increase his Armour? - NO - does Adam need adrenal

> support? Yes - he asked over and over and got the same answers from

> muscle testing. He ordered an adrenal profile - saliva testing 4X

> during the day...and sure enough adrenal fatigue..bordering on

> exhaustion. Before the test came and the results were back, he had

> already taken him off Armour and then when the test came back, put

> him on Cortef...a week later, he started him back on Armour, 1

> grain. He said at that time...it's not only not helpful but

> counter-

> productive to raise Armour if you've got adrenal fatigue...Drove the

> point home once again for me. We know these things, and yet

> sometimes we don't realize uit when we are living thru it

> ourselves...it's easier to see in someone else, I think.

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for asking the question, to make sure that I'd not missed

something.... I've been on Bovine adrenal glandular for nearly a year...

and even though I stopped the thyroid, and am now reducing until my

tissues purge, I will continue my Adrenal, Selenium, Vitamin C and DHEA

at normal doses... I don't need to stress my system more by messing up

those levels as well....

The Selenium and C will continue to encourage T4/T3 conversion and help

to use up the excess T4 in my tissues right now.....

I should have stopped a week ago... but just kept pushing it.... after

what I went through yesterday morning.... lets just say that I pigged out

on about a pound of truffle and then went into super phase, physically

and mentally for about 10 hours... that's what convinced me that I wasn't

imagining.....

Live and learn... I shared the story here and on TTSG... so that others

are a bit more observant with themselves and maybe don't push as far as I

did if they are seeing negative symptoms to an increase that doesn't ease

up in a couple of days....

Topper ()

> - you take care. I guess it's dumb of me to ask if you are

> supporting your adrenals. I'm sure you are aware of the need for

> that, esp. when upping your dose. A little heart palp is one thing

> for a week or so after upping your dose...any other symptoms and I

> would back off quickly. Let me tell you about my son. The older son

> has been on Armour for about 8 years - and I have been on Armour for

> about 9-1/2, another year before that synthroid...the younger one, 29

> went on Armour last April, 1 grain. In June, the doctor put him up

> to 90 mg. And in August, he went to the doctor and told him he was

> feeling worse, not better, exhausted among other things. Very easily

> startled....some of your typical adrenal symptoms and some not so

> typical. He asked the doctor to up his dose to 2 grains, but the

> doctor (being very intutive himself)did muscle testing and asked does

> Adam need to increase his Armour? - NO - does Adam need adrenal

> support? Yes - he asked over and over and got the same answers from

> muscle testing. He ordered an adrenal profile - saliva testing 4X

> during the day...and sure enough adrenal fatigue..bordering on

> exhaustion. Before the test came and the results were back, he had

> already taken him off Armour and then when the test came back, put

> him on Cortef...a week later, he started him back on Armour, 1

> grain. He said at that time...it's not only not helpful but

> counter-

> productive to raise Armour if you've got adrenal fatigue...Drove the

> point home once again for me. We know these things, and yet

> sometimes we don't realize uit when we are living thru it

> ourselves...it's easier to see in someone else, I think.

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for asking the question, to make sure that I'd not missed

something.... I've been on Bovine adrenal glandular for nearly a year...

and even though I stopped the thyroid, and am now reducing until my

tissues purge, I will continue my Adrenal, Selenium, Vitamin C and DHEA

at normal doses... I don't need to stress my system more by messing up

those levels as well....

The Selenium and C will continue to encourage T4/T3 conversion and help

to use up the excess T4 in my tissues right now.....

I should have stopped a week ago... but just kept pushing it.... after

what I went through yesterday morning.... lets just say that I pigged out

on about a pound of truffle and then went into super phase, physically

and mentally for about 10 hours... that's what convinced me that I wasn't

imagining.....

Live and learn... I shared the story here and on TTSG... so that others

are a bit more observant with themselves and maybe don't push as far as I

did if they are seeing negative symptoms to an increase that doesn't ease

up in a couple of days....

Topper ()

> - you take care. I guess it's dumb of me to ask if you are

> supporting your adrenals. I'm sure you are aware of the need for

> that, esp. when upping your dose. A little heart palp is one thing

> for a week or so after upping your dose...any other symptoms and I

> would back off quickly. Let me tell you about my son. The older son

> has been on Armour for about 8 years - and I have been on Armour for

> about 9-1/2, another year before that synthroid...the younger one, 29

> went on Armour last April, 1 grain. In June, the doctor put him up

> to 90 mg. And in August, he went to the doctor and told him he was

> feeling worse, not better, exhausted among other things. Very easily

> startled....some of your typical adrenal symptoms and some not so

> typical. He asked the doctor to up his dose to 2 grains, but the

> doctor (being very intutive himself)did muscle testing and asked does

> Adam need to increase his Armour? - NO - does Adam need adrenal

> support? Yes - he asked over and over and got the same answers from

> muscle testing. He ordered an adrenal profile - saliva testing 4X

> during the day...and sure enough adrenal fatigue..bordering on

> exhaustion. Before the test came and the results were back, he had

> already taken him off Armour and then when the test came back, put

> him on Cortef...a week later, he started him back on Armour, 1

> grain. He said at that time...it's not only not helpful but

> counter-

> productive to raise Armour if you've got adrenal fatigue...Drove the

> point home once again for me. We know these things, and yet

> sometimes we don't realize uit when we are living thru it

> ourselves...it's easier to see in someone else, I think.

[Guest guest]

.... thanks, everyone... for your concern.... I'm taking it easy.... and

will monitor myself..... there is nothing that can be done in an

emergency room... or even in a hospital for this....

I do dread the cramping muscles as I come down off of this... it's

already starting in my feet..... and the nose bleed has finally

stopped.... this last tissue was clear!

Topper ()

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:28:55 -0700 " Shirley White "

writes:

> I agree Topper,this really sounds serious!

> Love & Hug's

> Shirley

[Guest guest]

.... thanks, everyone... for your concern.... I'm taking it easy.... and

will monitor myself..... there is nothing that can be done in an

emergency room... or even in a hospital for this....

I do dread the cramping muscles as I come down off of this... it's

already starting in my feet..... and the nose bleed has finally

stopped.... this last tissue was clear!

Topper ()

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:28:55 -0700 " Shirley White "

writes:

> I agree Topper,this really sounds serious!

> Love & Hug's

> Shirley

[Guest guest]

.... thanks, everyone... for your concern.... I'm taking it easy.... and

will monitor myself..... there is nothing that can be done in an

emergency room... or even in a hospital for this....

I do dread the cramping muscles as I come down off of this... it's

already starting in my feet..... and the nose bleed has finally

stopped.... this last tissue was clear!

Topper ()

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:28:55 -0700 " Shirley White "

writes:

> I agree Topper,this really sounds serious!

> Love & Hug's

> Shirley

[Guest guest]

> Live and learn... I shared the story here and on TTSG... so that

others

> are a bit more observant with themselves and maybe don't push as

far as I

> did if they are seeing negative symptoms to an increase that

doesn't ease

> up in a couple of days....

>

>

> Topper ()

Sending you light...you sound like you know what you're doing. It's

good always to remember the adrenal stuff doesn't always show itself

until a counter balance tries to occur when you up your thyroid. and

time and time again, I see people overlook that...even though they

know better. and I overlooked it with my son too - kept giving him

DHEA, and 2 Isocort daily, but it turns out that wasn't what he

needed.

[Guest guest]

> Live and learn... I shared the story here and on TTSG... so that

others

> are a bit more observant with themselves and maybe don't push as

far as I

> did if they are seeing negative symptoms to an increase that

doesn't ease

> up in a couple of days....

>

>

> Topper ()

Sending you light...you sound like you know what you're doing. It's

good always to remember the adrenal stuff doesn't always show itself

until a counter balance tries to occur when you up your thyroid. and

time and time again, I see people overlook that...even though they

know better. and I overlooked it with my son too - kept giving him

DHEA, and 2 Isocort daily, but it turns out that wasn't what he

needed.