Re: Epsom Salt and other subjects

[Guest guest]

Cy,

So what is it about Epsom salt that is not good for a diabetic? I could see

it not being good if taken orally but you mean soaking in it is not good for

a diabetic? I suppose it could be that the salt gets into the skin pores and

into the blood, and that would not be good. I have used Epsom salt

infrequently when I've had severe muscle cramps and it's worked fine for

that. I guess you have to consider the lesser of two evils?

Bill

[Guest guest]

Cy, You are right about the fact that there is a small percentage of people

who truly have a genetic disorder that makes them very heavy. but the vast

majority do not. I have a very fat friend (over 300 pounds) who weighed

only 117 at age 20. she was diagnosed type 1 diabetic when she was 28. Ten

years later she was widowed and she started eating to theweight she is now.

she keeps telling me that heavy people are in her family. They are, but it

is all due to over eating I thinks people may be predisposed to gaining

weight, but can stil control it if they want to and make the effort.

Epsom Salt and other subjects

Hi all,

While reading the warning label on the Epsom Salt container we observed

that it said not to use this product if you are a diabetic.

For those of you who happen to be ancient enough to remember that, once

upon a time, Epsom Salt was commonly used as a laxative but for the

purposes of this warning they were referring to using the product for

soaking sprained ankles and such.

What conceivable problem could arise if you are only soaking your feet

in the solution?

Now, I do have a comment about the article on obesity.

While behavior is probably the most common reason for obesity metabolic

rate and neurological development stages could also be a contributing

factor.

I have a daughter who is obese.

We got when she was just nearly 5 years old. When was

about six we took her to the Children's Medical Center in Tulsa for an

extensive neurological evaluation. We had observed that was a

genuine klutz. She was not well coordinated at all so we thought we

might discover the reason. was also quite " plump " .

She did have some eating problems due to her food deprivation before she

came to live with us. One of the things we did find out was that her

neurological system development was significantly delayed and her

metabolic rate was also diminished. The latter fact did contribute to

the slow digestive system performance and the slower than normal burning

of calories. All of these factors contributed to the weight gain problem

was left with.

Because she was dealing with both a physical and emotional problem it is

really hard to point the finger at either as the major contributor. I

would suspect that if she had only either of the factors she may have

been a little heavy but not nearly to the extent she was left with. We

have also found that the school lunch program does not help with the

over weight problem at all. The foods they have for the younger children

sure do not help those who have a weight problem. Atkins would have had

a stroke if he had ever eaten at his elementary school.

We also have two of 's biological sisters and neither of them have

the weight problem she deals with. Hmm, I am not sure I really said much

of anything in this but I will leave that to the Moties to discover.

Cy, the Ancient One...

[Guest guest]

Bill,

I figure it is just Epsom covering their bottoms should anything happen

should you soak your feet in the solution. Crystal soaks her feet fairly

regularly in it and I don't think anything bad has happened to her yet.

Cy, the Ancient One...

Re: Epsom Salt and other subjects

Cy,

So what is it about Epsom salt that is not good for a diabetic? I could

see

it not being good if taken orally but you mean soaking in it is not good

for

a diabetic? I suppose it could be that the salt gets into the skin pores

and

into the blood, and that would not be good. I have used Epsom salt

infrequently when I've had severe muscle cramps and it's worked fine for

that. I guess you have to consider the lesser of two evils?

Bill

[Guest guest]

I think it is not the Epsom salt per say that is the problem; it is the

water temperature. If you look at those foot bath things that are for sale,

they say on them " not for diabetics " . the theory is that a diabetic has

such bad neuropathy they won't feel if the water temperature is too hot.

Skin is a pretty impermeable substance, so stuff doesn't go through it very

easily.

Re: Epsom Salt and other subjects

Cy,

So what is it about Epsom salt that is not good for a diabetic? I could see

it not being good if taken orally but you mean soaking in it is not good for

a diabetic? I suppose it could be that the salt gets into the skin pores and

into the blood, and that would not be good. I have used Epsom salt

infrequently when I've had severe muscle cramps and it's worked fine for

that. I guess you have to consider the lesser of two evils?

Bill

[Guest guest]

,

Well, you are correct in that just flat bad eating habits are the

greatest part of the problem. Now, I will staunchly claim that one day

about twenty years ago the Fat Fairy came by and zapped me. Up until

that time I could eat anything I wanted and as much as I wanted and

never gained a pound. I weighed about 150 when I graduated from High

School and still weighed only about 160 when I was 35. One day I noticed

that my belt had shrunk and that my suit coat did not fit as well as it

used to. From that day until now I can just smell food and gain weight.

About a year and a half or so ago I got up to 270 and decided to get

real serious about ridding myself of some of it. I am struggling to get

below 200. It seems to be some sort of magic number for my system now.

I also did read an article in Consumer Reports which noted that your

size is also determined by the picture your body has of what size it

should be. I think there is some truth to this but I also think it is

most unfortunate that my body must have taken the picture when I was in

one of those Houses of Mirrors and must have been standing in front of

one of the mirrors which make you look real wide! Why couldn't my bodyt

have taken the picture when I was in front of the mirror which makes you

look real skinny?

Cy, the Ancient One...

Epsom Salt and other subjects

Hi all,

While reading the warning label on the Epsom Salt container we observed

that it said not to use this product if you are a diabetic. For those of

you who happen to be ancient enough to remember that, once upon a time,

Epsom Salt was commonly used as a laxative but for the purposes of this

warning they were referring to using the product for soaking sprained

ankles and such. What conceivable problem could arise if you are only

soaking your feet in the solution?

Now, I do have a comment about the article on obesity.

While behavior is probably the most common reason for obesity metabolic

rate and neurological development stages could also be a contributing

factor. I have a daughter who is obese. We got when she was just

nearly 5 years old. When was about six we took her to the

Children's Medical Center in Tulsa for an extensive neurological

evaluation. We had observed that was a genuine klutz. She was not

well coordinated at all so we thought we might discover the reason.

was also quite " plump " . She did have some eating problems due to

her food deprivation before she came to live with us. One of the things

we did find out was that her neurological system development was

significantly delayed and her metabolic rate was also diminished. The

latter fact did contribute to the slow digestive system performance and

the slower than normal burning of calories. All of these factors

contributed to the weight gain problem was left with.

Because she was dealing with both a physical and emotional problem it is

really hard to point the finger at either as the major contributor. I

would suspect that if she had only either of the factors she may have

been a little heavy but not nearly to the extent she was left with. We

have also found that the school lunch program does not help with the

over weight problem at all. The foods they have for the younger children

sure do not help those who have a weight problem. Atkins would have had

a stroke if he had ever eaten at his elementary school. We also have two

of 's biological sisters and neither of them have the weight

problem she deals with. Hmm, I am not sure I really said much of

anything in this but I will leave that to the Moties to discover. Cy,

the Ancient One...

[Guest guest]

Ahh. the magic mirror! I think we all want one! Isn't it the pits how

middle age suddenly slows our metabolism and the same amount of food is

suddenly too much! I have a friend who was about 400 pounds. At one time

he was a professional boxer. He pictures himself on a certain manner. so

even after having that terrible stomach surgery, he lost a certain abound of

weight and then made himself sick eating because he could not change that

body image.

Epsom Salt and other subjects

Hi all,

While reading the warning label on the Epsom Salt container we observed

that it said not to use this product if you are a diabetic. For those of

you who happen to be ancient enough to remember that, once upon a time,

Epsom Salt was commonly used as a laxative but for the purposes of this

warning they were referring to using the product for soaking sprained

ankles and such. What conceivable problem could arise if you are only

soaking your feet in the solution?

Now, I do have a comment about the article on obesity.

While behavior is probably the most common reason for obesity metabolic

rate and neurological development stages could also be a contributing

factor. I have a daughter who is obese. We got when she was just

nearly 5 years old. When was about six we took her to the

Children's Medical Center in Tulsa for an extensive neurological

evaluation. We had observed that was a genuine klutz. She was not

well coordinated at all so we thought we might discover the reason.

was also quite " plump " . She did have some eating problems due to

her food deprivation before she came to live with us. One of the things

we did find out was that her neurological system development was

significantly delayed and her metabolic rate was also diminished. The

latter fact did contribute to the slow digestive system performance and

the slower than normal burning of calories. All of these factors

contributed to the weight gain problem was left with.

Because she was dealing with both a physical and emotional problem it is

really hard to point the finger at either as the major contributor. I

would suspect that if she had only either of the factors she may have

been a little heavy but not nearly to the extent she was left with. We

have also found that the school lunch program does not help with the

over weight problem at all. The foods they have for the younger children

sure do not help those who have a weight problem. Atkins would have had

a stroke if he had ever eaten at his elementary school. We also have two

of 's biological sisters and neither of them have the weight

problem she deals with. Hmm, I am not sure I really said much of

anything in this but I will leave that to the Moties to discover. Cy,

the Ancient One...

[Guest guest]

,

I do realize that we become less active as Father Time creeps about us

and I also realize that our body does become a little slower than it

used to be - but - it also does seem to me that there is something to

this idea that your body has an image of what size it should be. I have

actively worked at shedding some unwanted pounds and, try as I may, I

just can not seem to get below that 200 pound barrier.

Many years ago I became concerned about my weight and worked diligently

to lose some of it. After several month of diets and so on I threw up my

hands and solved the problem another way, I purchased new clothes in a

larger size. Now, interestingly, shortly afterwards I lost about 15

pounds and kept it off for a number of years.

Perhaps I should take this tack again?

My daughter has inquired about the Gastric Bypass surgery because she

wants some " magic pill " to cure her problems. She also does not realize

what impact this surgery will have on the rest of her body and

particularly what it does to the digestive system.

I have told her that when she is 18 she can do whatever she wants to do

but, until that time, there aint no way in you know where I am going to

allow this to happen.

Oh well, christmas is a comin and we are fattening up the old goose so,

watch out waistline, here it comes.

Cy, the Ancient One....

Epsom Salt and other subjects

Hi all,

While reading the warning label on the Epsom Salt container we observed

that it said not to use this product if you are a diabetic. For those of

you who happen to be ancient enough to remember that, once upon a time,

Epsom Salt was commonly used as a laxative but for the purposes of this

warning they were referring to using the product for soaking sprained

ankles and such. What conceivable problem could arise if you are only

soaking your feet in the solution?

Now, I do have a comment about the article on obesity.

While behavior is probably the most common reason for obesity metabolic

rate and neurological development stages could also be a contributing

factor. I have a daughter who is obese. We got when she was just

nearly 5 years old. When was about six we took her to the

Children's Medical Center in Tulsa for an extensive neurological

evaluation. We had observed that was a genuine klutz. She was not

well coordinated at all so we thought we might discover the reason.

was also quite " plump " . She did have some eating problems due to

her food deprivation before she came to live with us. One of the things

we did find out was that her neurological system development was

significantly delayed and her metabolic rate was also diminished. The

latter fact did contribute to the slow digestive system performance and

the slower than normal burning of calories. All of these factors

contributed to the weight gain problem was left with.

Because she was dealing with both a physical and emotional problem it is

really hard to point the finger at either as the major contributor. I

would suspect that if she had only either of the factors she may have

been a little heavy but not nearly to the extent she was left with. We

have also found that the school lunch program does not help with the

over weight problem at all. The foods they have for the younger children

sure do not help those who have a weight problem. Atkins would have had

a stroke if he had ever eaten at his elementary school. We also have two

of 's biological sisters and neither of them have the weight

problem she deals with. Hmm, I am not sure I really said much of

anything in this but I will leave that to the Moties to discover. Cy,

the Ancient One...

[Guest guest]

,

I do realize that we become less active as Father Time creeps about us

and I also realize that our body does become a little slower than it

used to be - but - it also does seem to me that there is something to

this idea that your body has an image of what size it should be. I have

actively worked at shedding some unwanted pounds and, try as I may, I

just can not seem to get below that 200 pound barrier.

Many years ago I became concerned about my weight and worked diligently

to lose some of it. After several month of diets and so on I threw up my

hands and solved the problem another way, I purchased new clothes in a

larger size. Now, interestingly, shortly afterwards I lost about 15

pounds and kept it off for a number of years.

Perhaps I should take this tack again?

My daughter has inquired about the Gastric Bypass surgery because she

wants some " magic pill " to cure her problems. She also does not realize

what impact this surgery will have on the rest of her body and

particularly what it does to the digestive system.

I have told her that when she is 18 she can do whatever she wants to do

but, until that time, there aint no way in you know where I am going to

allow this to happen.

Oh well, christmas is a comin and we are fattening up the old goose so,

watch out waistline, here it comes.

Cy, the Ancient One....

Epsom Salt and other subjects

Hi all,

While reading the warning label on the Epsom Salt container we observed

that it said not to use this product if you are a diabetic. For those of

you who happen to be ancient enough to remember that, once upon a time,

Epsom Salt was commonly used as a laxative but for the purposes of this

warning they were referring to using the product for soaking sprained

ankles and such. What conceivable problem could arise if you are only

soaking your feet in the solution?

Now, I do have a comment about the article on obesity.

While behavior is probably the most common reason for obesity metabolic

rate and neurological development stages could also be a contributing

factor. I have a daughter who is obese. We got when she was just

nearly 5 years old. When was about six we took her to the

Children's Medical Center in Tulsa for an extensive neurological

evaluation. We had observed that was a genuine klutz. She was not

well coordinated at all so we thought we might discover the reason.

was also quite " plump " . She did have some eating problems due to

her food deprivation before she came to live with us. One of the things

we did find out was that her neurological system development was

significantly delayed and her metabolic rate was also diminished. The

latter fact did contribute to the slow digestive system performance and

the slower than normal burning of calories. All of these factors

contributed to the weight gain problem was left with.

Because she was dealing with both a physical and emotional problem it is

really hard to point the finger at either as the major contributor. I

would suspect that if she had only either of the factors she may have

been a little heavy but not nearly to the extent she was left with. We

have also found that the school lunch program does not help with the

over weight problem at all. The foods they have for the younger children

sure do not help those who have a weight problem. Atkins would have had

a stroke if he had ever eaten at his elementary school. We also have two

of 's biological sisters and neither of them have the weight

problem she deals with. Hmm, I am not sure I really said much of

anything in this but I will leave that to the Moties to discover. Cy,

the Ancient One...

[Guest guest]

,

I do realize that we become less active as Father Time creeps about us

and I also realize that our body does become a little slower than it

used to be - but - it also does seem to me that there is something to

this idea that your body has an image of what size it should be. I have

actively worked at shedding some unwanted pounds and, try as I may, I

just can not seem to get below that 200 pound barrier.

Many years ago I became concerned about my weight and worked diligently

to lose some of it. After several month of diets and so on I threw up my

hands and solved the problem another way, I purchased new clothes in a

larger size. Now, interestingly, shortly afterwards I lost about 15

pounds and kept it off for a number of years.

Perhaps I should take this tack again?

My daughter has inquired about the Gastric Bypass surgery because she

wants some " magic pill " to cure her problems. She also does not realize

what impact this surgery will have on the rest of her body and

particularly what it does to the digestive system.

I have told her that when she is 18 she can do whatever she wants to do

but, until that time, there aint no way in you know where I am going to

allow this to happen.

Oh well, christmas is a comin and we are fattening up the old goose so,

watch out waistline, here it comes.

Cy, the Ancient One....

Epsom Salt and other subjects

Hi all,

While reading the warning label on the Epsom Salt container we observed

that it said not to use this product if you are a diabetic. For those of

you who happen to be ancient enough to remember that, once upon a time,

Epsom Salt was commonly used as a laxative but for the purposes of this

warning they were referring to using the product for soaking sprained

ankles and such. What conceivable problem could arise if you are only

soaking your feet in the solution?

Now, I do have a comment about the article on obesity.

While behavior is probably the most common reason for obesity metabolic

rate and neurological development stages could also be a contributing

factor. I have a daughter who is obese. We got when she was just

nearly 5 years old. When was about six we took her to the

Children's Medical Center in Tulsa for an extensive neurological

evaluation. We had observed that was a genuine klutz. She was not

well coordinated at all so we thought we might discover the reason.

was also quite " plump " . She did have some eating problems due to

her food deprivation before she came to live with us. One of the things

we did find out was that her neurological system development was

significantly delayed and her metabolic rate was also diminished. The

latter fact did contribute to the slow digestive system performance and

the slower than normal burning of calories. All of these factors

contributed to the weight gain problem was left with.

Because she was dealing with both a physical and emotional problem it is

really hard to point the finger at either as the major contributor. I

would suspect that if she had only either of the factors she may have

been a little heavy but not nearly to the extent she was left with. We

have also found that the school lunch program does not help with the

over weight problem at all. The foods they have for the younger children

sure do not help those who have a weight problem. Atkins would have had

a stroke if he had ever eaten at his elementary school. We also have two

of 's biological sisters and neither of them have the weight

problem she deals with. Hmm, I am not sure I really said much of

anything in this but I will leave that to the Moties to discover. Cy,

the Ancient One...

[Guest guest]

No Bill, you can't take this for gass smile.

Because of the salt in it.

But for soaking it is grate.

I also soake in dish soap.

A foot doctor game me that tip.

Had an infected toe and that was how I learned about that trick.

Dar

Re: Epsom Salt and other subjects

>

> Cy,

>

> So what is it about Epsom salt that is not good for a diabetic? I could

see

> it not being good if taken orally but you mean soaking in it is not good

for

> a diabetic? I suppose it could be that the salt gets into the skin pores

and

> into the blood, and that would not be good. I have used Epsom salt

> infrequently when I've had severe muscle cramps and it's worked fine for

> that. I guess you have to consider the lesser of two evils?

>

> Bill

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If we should ever meet, I will give you a hug anyway.

Dar

Epsom Salt and other subjects

>

>

>

> Hi all,

> While reading the warning label on the Epsom Salt container we observed

> that it said not to use this product if you are a diabetic. For those of

> you who happen to be ancient enough to remember that, once upon a time,

> Epsom Salt was commonly used as a laxative but for the purposes of this

> warning they were referring to using the product for soaking sprained

> ankles and such. What conceivable problem could arise if you are only

> soaking your feet in the solution?

>

> Now, I do have a comment about the article on obesity.

> While behavior is probably the most common reason for obesity metabolic

> rate and neurological development stages could also be a contributing

> factor. I have a daughter who is obese. We got when she was just

> nearly 5 years old. When was about six we took her to the

> Children's Medical Center in Tulsa for an extensive neurological

> evaluation. We had observed that was a genuine klutz. She was not

> well coordinated at all so we thought we might discover the reason.

> was also quite " plump " . She did have some eating problems due to

> her food deprivation before she came to live with us. One of the things

> we did find out was that her neurological system development was

> significantly delayed and her metabolic rate was also diminished. The

> latter fact did contribute to the slow digestive system performance and

> the slower than normal burning of calories. All of these factors

> contributed to the weight gain problem was left with.

>

> Because she was dealing with both a physical and emotional problem it is

> really hard to point the finger at either as the major contributor. I

> would suspect that if she had only either of the factors she may have

> been a little heavy but not nearly to the extent she was left with. We

> have also found that the school lunch program does not help with the

> over weight problem at all. The foods they have for the younger children

> sure do not help those who have a weight problem. Atkins would have had

> a stroke if he had ever eaten at his elementary school. We also have two

> of 's biological sisters and neither of them have the weight

> problem she deals with. Hmm, I am not sure I really said much of

> anything in this but I will leave that to the Moties to discover. Cy,

> the Ancient One...

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If we should ever meet, I will give you a hug anyway.

Dar

Epsom Salt and other subjects

>

>

>

> Hi all,

> While reading the warning label on the Epsom Salt container we observed

> that it said not to use this product if you are a diabetic. For those of

> you who happen to be ancient enough to remember that, once upon a time,

> Epsom Salt was commonly used as a laxative but for the purposes of this

> warning they were referring to using the product for soaking sprained

> ankles and such. What conceivable problem could arise if you are only

> soaking your feet in the solution?

>

> Now, I do have a comment about the article on obesity.

> While behavior is probably the most common reason for obesity metabolic

> rate and neurological development stages could also be a contributing

> factor. I have a daughter who is obese. We got when she was just

> nearly 5 years old. When was about six we took her to the

> Children's Medical Center in Tulsa for an extensive neurological

> evaluation. We had observed that was a genuine klutz. She was not

> well coordinated at all so we thought we might discover the reason.

> was also quite " plump " . She did have some eating problems due to

> her food deprivation before she came to live with us. One of the things

> we did find out was that her neurological system development was

> significantly delayed and her metabolic rate was also diminished. The

> latter fact did contribute to the slow digestive system performance and

> the slower than normal burning of calories. All of these factors

> contributed to the weight gain problem was left with.

>

> Because she was dealing with both a physical and emotional problem it is

> really hard to point the finger at either as the major contributor. I

> would suspect that if she had only either of the factors she may have

> been a little heavy but not nearly to the extent she was left with. We

> have also found that the school lunch program does not help with the

> over weight problem at all. The foods they have for the younger children

> sure do not help those who have a weight problem. Atkins would have had

> a stroke if he had ever eaten at his elementary school. We also have two

> of 's biological sisters and neither of them have the weight

> problem she deals with. Hmm, I am not sure I really said much of

> anything in this but I will leave that to the Moties to discover. Cy,

> the Ancient One...

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If we should ever meet, I will give you a hug anyway.

Dar

Epsom Salt and other subjects

>

>

>

> Hi all,

> While reading the warning label on the Epsom Salt container we observed

> that it said not to use this product if you are a diabetic. For those of

> you who happen to be ancient enough to remember that, once upon a time,

> Epsom Salt was commonly used as a laxative but for the purposes of this

> warning they were referring to using the product for soaking sprained

> ankles and such. What conceivable problem could arise if you are only

> soaking your feet in the solution?

>

> Now, I do have a comment about the article on obesity.

> While behavior is probably the most common reason for obesity metabolic

> rate and neurological development stages could also be a contributing

> factor. I have a daughter who is obese. We got when she was just

> nearly 5 years old. When was about six we took her to the

> Children's Medical Center in Tulsa for an extensive neurological

> evaluation. We had observed that was a genuine klutz. She was not

> well coordinated at all so we thought we might discover the reason.

> was also quite " plump " . She did have some eating problems due to

> her food deprivation before she came to live with us. One of the things

> we did find out was that her neurological system development was

> significantly delayed and her metabolic rate was also diminished. The

> latter fact did contribute to the slow digestive system performance and

> the slower than normal burning of calories. All of these factors

> contributed to the weight gain problem was left with.

>

> Because she was dealing with both a physical and emotional problem it is

> really hard to point the finger at either as the major contributor. I

> would suspect that if she had only either of the factors she may have

> been a little heavy but not nearly to the extent she was left with. We

> have also found that the school lunch program does not help with the

> over weight problem at all. The foods they have for the younger children

> sure do not help those who have a weight problem. Atkins would have had

> a stroke if he had ever eaten at his elementary school. We also have two

> of 's biological sisters and neither of them have the weight

> problem she deals with. Hmm, I am not sure I really said much of

> anything in this but I will leave that to the Moties to discover. Cy,

> the Ancient One...

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dar,

What kind of dish soap do you use for soaking? I have never heard of

this so, you see, it is possible to learn something new regardless of

how old you are...

Cy, the Ancient One...

Re: Epsom Salt and other subjects

No Bill, you can't take this for gass smile.

Because of the salt in it.

But for soaking it is grate.

I also soake in dish soap.

A foot doctor game me that tip.

Had an infected toe and that was how I learned about that trick. Dar

Re: Epsom Salt and other subjects

>

> Cy,

>

> So what is it about Epsom salt that is not good for a diabetic? I

> could

see

> it not being good if taken orally but you mean soaking in it is not

> good

for

> a diabetic? I suppose it could be that the salt gets into the skin

> pores

and

> into the blood, and that would not be good. I have used Epsom salt

> infrequently when I've had severe muscle cramps and it's worked fine

> for that. I guess you have to consider the lesser of two evils?

>

> Bill

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dar,

What kind of dish soap do you use for soaking? I have never heard of

this so, you see, it is possible to learn something new regardless of

how old you are...

Cy, the Ancient One...

Re: Epsom Salt and other subjects

No Bill, you can't take this for gass smile.

Because of the salt in it.

But for soaking it is grate.

I also soake in dish soap.

A foot doctor game me that tip.

Had an infected toe and that was how I learned about that trick. Dar

Re: Epsom Salt and other subjects

>

> Cy,

>

> So what is it about Epsom salt that is not good for a diabetic? I

> could

see

> it not being good if taken orally but you mean soaking in it is not

> good

for

> a diabetic? I suppose it could be that the salt gets into the skin

> pores

and

> into the blood, and that would not be good. I have used Epsom salt

> infrequently when I've had severe muscle cramps and it's worked fine

> for that. I guess you have to consider the lesser of two evils?

>

> Bill

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dar,

What kind of dish soap do you use for soaking? I have never heard of

this so, you see, it is possible to learn something new regardless of

how old you are...

Cy, the Ancient One...

Re: Epsom Salt and other subjects

No Bill, you can't take this for gass smile.

Because of the salt in it.

But for soaking it is grate.

I also soake in dish soap.

A foot doctor game me that tip.

Had an infected toe and that was how I learned about that trick. Dar

Re: Epsom Salt and other subjects

>

> Cy,

>

> So what is it about Epsom salt that is not good for a diabetic? I

> could

see

> it not being good if taken orally but you mean soaking in it is not

> good

for

> a diabetic? I suppose it could be that the salt gets into the skin

> pores

and

> into the blood, and that would not be good. I have used Epsom salt

> infrequently when I've had severe muscle cramps and it's worked fine

> for that. I guess you have to consider the lesser of two evils?

>

> Bill

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. Bernstein states that hot baths/showers should never be taken by a diabetic.

only warm. His reason is it dries out the skim on your feet and it can crack,

become infected, and your foot is history. He is extremely strong on not taking

hot baths or showers. I assume because he has seen this happen with patients of

his.

He really spent some time on the subject in his book.

Re: Epsom Salt and other subjects

Cy,

So what is it about Epsom salt that is not good for a diabetic? I could see

it not being good if taken orally but you mean soaking in it is not good for

a diabetic? I suppose it could be that the salt gets into the skin pores and

into the blood, and that would not be good. I have used Epsom salt

infrequently when I've had severe muscle cramps and it's worked fine for

that. I guess you have to consider the lesser of two evils?

Bill

[Guest guest]

What I find interesting about this surgery is some folks make it, and some folks

don't. For Her to not be of age yet and want this surgery she could be prowing

her life away. I would hate to see this happen. Then if she should get married

have children she will gain again. I am sure you have told her this. I hope

she doesn't do that. Maybe use a hleakfast plate instead of a larger plate and

don't put as much food on it if that would help? I am asking for our bike to get

fixed. I don't know if this would help with the arthritis or not, and I might

be soffry trying this again, but I will give it a try when the bike is fixed.

Dar

> Epsom Salt and other subjects

>Hi all,

>While reading the warning label on the Epsom Salt container we observed

>that it said not to use this product if you are a diabetic. For those of

>you who happen to be ancient enough to remember that, once upon a time,

>Epsom Salt was commonly used as a laxative but for the purposes of this

>warning they were referring to using the product for soaking sprained

>ankles and such. What conceivable problem could arise if you are only

>soaking your feet in the solution?

>Now, I do have a comment about the article on obesity.

>While behavior is probably the most common reason for obesity metabolic

>rate and neurological development stages could also be a contributing

>factor. I have a daughter who is obese. We got when she was just

>nearly 5 years old. When was about six we took her to the

>Children's Medical Center in Tulsa for an extensive neurological

>evaluation. We had observed that was a genuine klutz. She was not

>well coordinated at all so we thought we might discover the reason.

> was also quite " plump " . She did have some eating problems due to

>her food deprivation before she came to live with us. One of the things

>we did find out was that her neurological system development was

>significantly delayed and her metabolic rate was also diminished. The

>latter fact did contribute to the slow digestive system performance and

>the slower than normal burning of calories. All of these factors

>contributed to the weight gain problem was left with.

>Because she was dealing with both a physical and emotional problem it is

>really hard to point the finger at either as the major contributor. I

>would suspect that if she had only either of the factors she may have

>been a little heavy but not nearly to the extent she was left with. We

>have also found that the school lunch program does not help with the

>over weight problem at all. The foods they have for the younger children

>sure do not help those who have a weight problem. Atkins would have had

>a stroke if he had ever eaten at his elementary school. We also have two

>of 's biological sisters and neither of them have the weight

>problem she deals with. Hmm, I am not sure I really said much of

>anything in this but I will leave that to the Moties to discover. Cy,

>the Ancient One...

>

[Guest guest]

I use dawn dish soap. I shared this was what I was using and they said fine.

Dar

> Re: Epsom Salt and other subjects

>> Cy,

>> So what is it about Epsom salt that is not good for a diabetic? I

>> could

>see

>> it not being good if taken orally but you mean soaking in it is not

>> good

>for

>> a diabetic? I suppose it could be that the salt gets into the skin

>> pores

>and

>> into the blood, and that would not be good. I have used Epsom salt

>> infrequently when I've had severe muscle cramps and it's worked fine

>> for that. I guess you have to consider the lesser of two evils?

>> Bill

>>

[Guest guest]

Glad you wil not let y our daughter do that by-pass. One of her doctors

should talk to her about that as I am sure she doesn't believe anything dadd

has to say! (like most tee-agers).

Epsom Salt and other subjects

Hi all,

While reading the warning label on the Epsom Salt container we observed

that it said not to use this product if you are a diabetic. For those of

you who happen to be ancient enough to remember that, once upon a time,

Epsom Salt was commonly used as a laxative but for the purposes of this

warning they were referring to using the product for soaking sprained

ankles and such. What conceivable problem could arise if you are only

soaking your feet in the solution?

Now, I do have a comment about the article on obesity.

While behavior is probably the most common reason for obesity metabolic

rate and neurological development stages could also be a contributing

factor. I have a daughter who is obese. We got when she was just

nearly 5 years old. When was about six we took her to the

Children's Medical Center in Tulsa for an extensive neurological

evaluation. We had observed that was a genuine klutz. She was not

well coordinated at all so we thought we might discover the reason.

was also quite " plump " . She did have some eating problems due to

her food deprivation before she came to live with us. One of the things

we did find out was that her neurological system development was

significantly delayed and her metabolic rate was also diminished. The

latter fact did contribute to the slow digestive system performance and

the slower than normal burning of calories. All of these factors

contributed to the weight gain problem was left with.

Because she was dealing with both a physical and emotional problem it is

really hard to point the finger at either as the major contributor. I

would suspect that if she had only either of the factors she may have

been a little heavy but not nearly to the extent she was left with. We

have also found that the school lunch program does not help with the

over weight problem at all. The foods they have for the younger children

sure do not help those who have a weight problem. Atkins would have had

a stroke if he had ever eaten at his elementary school. We also have two

of 's biological sisters and neither of them have the weight

problem she deals with. Hmm, I am not sure I really said much of

anything in this but I will leave that to the Moties to discover. Cy,

the Ancient One...

[Guest guest]

Hi Pat and Dar,

One of the major problems we as parents have to deal with is the way in

which some of the popular TV talk type shows glorify Bypass and other

surgical procedures as " miracle cures " for obesity.

Our doctor is an well experienced doc who has spent over thirty years in

the emergency room and is now serving in Afghanistan as an Army medic.

Dr. Parkhurst did talk quite frankly with about the ramifications

of the Bypass procedures and told her that she needed to get more

exercise. He suggest some arm exercises as starters - you know - like

pushing away from the table.

His advice was about as well received as mine usually is.

The real killer is not only over eating at the dinner table, it is

consuming quantities of " snacks " such as potato chips and soda pop. I

have become much more aware of that horrible word " carbohydrate " since I

have joined this list.

I have pointed out to (and someone else who we won't mention) how

many carbs are in a " handful " of potato chips, corn chips or cheese

curls but am assured that they have consumed " just a few " .

Hmm, I guess the dog must have struck the chip bag again?

While we can keep a lid on consumption at home what happens at the

school cafeteria is another major source of disaster.

is a very likeable type girl. She has a million dollar smile and

is a great conversationalist. If she winks at the young man who serves

the French Fries she can get about a triple serving and loves to

smile.

I firmly believe that self control is the only real solution to much of

the over weight problem and herein lies the quandary.

is a victim of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome (FAS(.

Her birthmother drank like a fish and used drugs while carrying

and the other girls. One of the common residual effects of FAS is very

poor self control. The part of the brain which houses self control seems

to be very susceptible to toxins consumed by the mother during

pregnancy. Now, interestingly, this part of the brain is also where the

Olfactory senses are located so when these kids practice huffing (we

used to call it " sniffing " various substances such as White Out, spray

paint, various designer drugs and so on the brain cells which are killed

off are guess what - yup, the same ones which carry the task of self

control.

Schooling is one of 's major problems as well. She does have some

residual brain damage from the FAS and scholastic activities are very

difficult for her. She does have a tremendous artistic ability. She is a

good artist, musician, domestic craft, cook and, believe it or not,

mathematician type person but the languages are her downfall.

She has had an awful time in many of the school activities and has been

suspended several times for her excessive absences.

After much discussion Crystal and I have allowed her to drop out of high

school because it was going to be a disaster anyway. She is now

participating in Job Corps and doing well there. She is attending school

there and will earn a regular high school diploma as well as learn a

viable trade. The other real benefit for is the meal situation.

You know, there ain't a whole lot of snacks and extra servings there.

Geez, how unfortunate!

Hopefully by the time graduates from Job Corps she will have been

acclimated to a more reasonable diet pattern. She also does not have the

opportunity to vegetate in front of the TV there as the students must

perform a lot of " building maintenance " . All in all I think this is

going to be a good choice for her in many areas.

Cy, the Ancient One...

Epsom Salt and other subjects

Hi all,

While reading the warning label on the Epsom Salt container we observed

that it said not to use this product if you are a diabetic. For those of

you who happen to be ancient enough to remember that, once upon a time,

Epsom Salt was commonly used as a laxative but for the purposes of this

warning they were referring to using the product for soaking sprained

ankles and such. What conceivable problem could arise if you are only

soaking your feet in the solution?

Now, I do have a comment about the article on obesity.

While behavior is probably the most common reason for obesity metabolic

rate and neurological development stages could also be a contributing

factor. I have a daughter who is obese. We got when she was just

nearly 5 years old. When was about six we took her to the

Children's Medical Center in Tulsa for an extensive neurological

evaluation. We had observed that was a genuine klutz. She was not

well coordinated at all so we thought we might discover the reason.

was also quite " plump " . She did have some eating problems due to

her food deprivation before she came to live with us. One of the things

we did find out was that her neurological system development was

significantly delayed and her metabolic rate was also diminished. The

latter fact did contribute to the slow digestive system performance and

the slower than normal burning of calories. All of these factors

contributed to the weight gain problem was left with.

Because she was dealing with both a physical and emotional problem it is

really hard to point the finger at either as the major contributor. I

would suspect that if she had only either of the factors she may have

been a little heavy but not nearly to the extent she was left with. We

have also found that the school lunch program does not help with the

over weight problem at all. The foods they have for the younger children

sure do not help those who have a weight problem. Atkins would have had

a stroke if he had ever eaten at his elementary school. We also have two

of 's biological sisters and neither of them have the weight

problem she deals with. Hmm, I am not sure I really said much of

anything in this but I will leave that to the Moties to discover. Cy,

the Ancient One...

[Guest guest]

Thanks for sharing.

I know it is hard for you folks but she knows you are there for her.

I am sure she will get how to do something.

And most of all not starve.

Dar

Epsom Salt and other subjects

>

>

>

> Hi all,

> While reading the warning label on the Epsom Salt container we observed

> that it said not to use this product if you are a diabetic. For those of

> you who happen to be ancient enough to remember that, once upon a time,

> Epsom Salt was commonly used as a laxative but for the purposes of this

> warning they were referring to using the product for soaking sprained

> ankles and such. What conceivable problem could arise if you are only

> soaking your feet in the solution?

>

> Now, I do have a comment about the article on obesity.

> While behavior is probably the most common reason for obesity metabolic

> rate and neurological development stages could also be a contributing

> factor. I have a daughter who is obese. We got when she was just

> nearly 5 years old. When was about six we took her to the

> Children's Medical Center in Tulsa for an extensive neurological

> evaluation. We had observed that was a genuine klutz. She was not

> well coordinated at all so we thought we might discover the reason.

> was also quite " plump " . She did have some eating problems due to

> her food deprivation before she came to live with us. One of the things

> we did find out was that her neurological system development was

> significantly delayed and her metabolic rate was also diminished. The

> latter fact did contribute to the slow digestive system performance and

> the slower than normal burning of calories. All of these factors

> contributed to the weight gain problem was left with.

>

> Because she was dealing with both a physical and emotional problem it is

> really hard to point the finger at either as the major contributor. I

> would suspect that if she had only either of the factors she may have

> been a little heavy but not nearly to the extent she was left with. We

> have also found that the school lunch program does not help with the

> over weight problem at all. The foods they have for the younger children

> sure do not help those who have a weight problem. Atkins would have had

> a stroke if he had ever eaten at his elementary school. We also have two

> of 's biological sisters and neither of them have the weight

> problem she deals with. Hmm, I am not sure I really said much of

> anything in this but I will leave that to the Moties to discover. Cy,

> the Ancient One...

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cy,

One additional note about teen snacks and overeating in general, is that

most of us are bombarded daily with TV ads about -- guess what -- feel-good

foods. These tug at our heartstrings and our appetites and make us crave

more than what we normally need. We are made to feel that if we don't buy

all kinds of junk food, we will be missing out on something.

One of the things I did many years ago when thinking about fries is I

started visualizing them for what they are -- sticks of lard. Would I pick

up a stick of lard and eat it? I don't think so. The other part of the

equation there was that I told myself that while I do like the taste of some

fries, I really don't want to wear them around my middle, which is where

they'd wind up. So when I do eat at a fast food joint, and when the meal

comes with fries (I don't order them otherwise, period) I pick a number

between 1 and 10, that's the number of fries I will eat and then throw out

the rest. Oh do I get strange looks when I throw out fries. I just tell

people " I'd rather do that than wear them. " That usually shuts 'em up.

's being in the Job Corps is a good idea and one that we can only hope

will instill a new set of habits.

Good luck!

Bill

[Guest guest]

It sounds like a great alternative for . Unfortunately, there are

children who suffer from the " sins of the father and mother " . It is a real

problem. My niece is only 4 ft. 10 inches tall. she is the only child of

alcoholic parents who no longer drink, but who never went to any kind of AA

counseling, so have alcoholic behaviors. Consequently, is a

" alcoholic " eater. she doesn't eat, but she does consume. she weighs at

least 140 pounds, which is about 50 pounds more than she should weigh for

her height. so many problems.

Epsom Salt and other subjects

Hi all,

While reading the warning label on the Epsom Salt container we observed

that it said not to use this product if you are a diabetic. For those of

you who happen to be ancient enough to remember that, once upon a time,

Epsom Salt was commonly used as a laxative but for the purposes of this

warning they were referring to using the product for soaking sprained

ankles and such. What conceivable problem could arise if you are only

soaking your feet in the solution?

Now, I do have a comment about the article on obesity.

While behavior is probably the most common reason for obesity metabolic

rate and neurological development stages could also be a contributing

factor. I have a daughter who is obese. We got when she was just

nearly 5 years old. When was about six we took her to the

Children's Medical Center in Tulsa for an extensive neurological

evaluation. We had observed that was a genuine klutz. She was not

well coordinated at all so we thought we might discover the reason.

was also quite " plump " . She did have some eating problems due to

her food deprivation before she came to live with us. One of the things

we did find out was that her neurological system development was

significantly delayed and her metabolic rate was also diminished. The

latter fact did contribute to the slow digestive system performance and

the slower than normal burning of calories. All of these factors

contributed to the weight gain problem was left with.

Because she was dealing with both a physical and emotional problem it is

really hard to point the finger at either as the major contributor. I

would suspect that if she had only either of the factors she may have

been a little heavy but not nearly to the extent she was left with. We

have also found that the school lunch program does not help with the

over weight problem at all. The foods they have for the younger children

sure do not help those who have a weight problem. Atkins would have had

a stroke if he had ever eaten at his elementary school. We also have two

of 's biological sisters and neither of them have the weight

problem she deals with. Hmm, I am not sure I really said much of

anything in this but I will leave that to the Moties to discover. Cy,

the Ancient One...

[Guest guest]

good going bill! I try to picture what goody foods would do to my waist too

and therefore don't want to eat them.

Re: Epsom Salt and other subjects

Cy,

One additional note about teen snacks and overeating in general, is that

most of us are bombarded daily with TV ads about -- guess what -- feel-good

foods. These tug at our heartstrings and our appetites and make us crave

more than what we normally need. We are made to feel that if we don't buy

all kinds of junk food, we will be missing out on something.

One of the things I did many years ago when thinking about fries is I

started visualizing them for what they are -- sticks of lard. Would I pick

up a stick of lard and eat it? I don't think so. The other part of the

equation there was that I told myself that while I do like the taste of some

fries, I really don't want to wear them around my middle, which is where

they'd wind up. So when I do eat at a fast food joint, and when the meal

comes with fries (I don't order them otherwise, period) I pick a number

between 1 and 10, that's the number of fries I will eat and then throw out

the rest. Oh do I get strange looks when I throw out fries. I just tell

people " I'd rather do that than wear them. " That usually shuts 'em up.

's being in the Job Corps is a good idea and one that we can only hope

will instill a new set of habits.

Good luck!

Bill