Guest guest Posted June 14, 2001 Report Share Posted June 14, 2001 Valeria, Gee, I sure didn't intend to sound like I was " picking nits " in a negative sense -- I was just throwing in my rationale behind how I consider which way to go. :-) As has since been brought out, different guides specify different preferences, and we're all left to make those decisions based on our individual situations. Additionally, for some MTs, the character counts on which pay is based include only the " printed " characters and not the spaces -- in that case, the hyphen yields an additional " paid " character whereas the space does not. I, too, am an MT instructor ( " taking a break " at the moment). I make my students aware of the different guides out there so that they will be aware of the various sources of what they ultimately may be instructed to follow, or if left to their own preferences, which one to choose for themselves. They include the AAMT BOS, Fordney & Diehl's Do's and Don'ts, and the Gregg Reference Manual. To further clarify, the QA department for the national service through which I do my transcription has instructed us to use the hyphen for mixed fractions, so that would be another factor in my personal decision to use the hyphen although I agree that using the space bar is an easier keystroke than is the hyphen. As I think we can all clearly see from just this one tiny example, there are numerous factors that go into deciding when, how, and why to do what... such is the life of an MT and part of what keeps us from getting bored, yes? :-) Kim R. Re: Mixed Fractions and Spacing Kim, That might by why your account requires you to use only keyboard characters--they're the only ones that yield an accurate count. On the other hand, since we're picking nits here, why put in the hyphen? The fraction is accurate without it (1 1/2 or 1-1/2--either is correct), but 1 1/2 is not likely to be read as " one minus one-half " and for most people, the space bar is an easier keystroke than is the hyphen. Valeria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2001 Report Share Posted June 14, 2001 Valeria, Gee, I sure didn't intend to sound like I was " picking nits " in a negative sense -- I was just throwing in my rationale behind how I consider which way to go. :-) As has since been brought out, different guides specify different preferences, and we're all left to make those decisions based on our individual situations. Additionally, for some MTs, the character counts on which pay is based include only the " printed " characters and not the spaces -- in that case, the hyphen yields an additional " paid " character whereas the space does not. I, too, am an MT instructor ( " taking a break " at the moment). I make my students aware of the different guides out there so that they will be aware of the various sources of what they ultimately may be instructed to follow, or if left to their own preferences, which one to choose for themselves. They include the AAMT BOS, Fordney & Diehl's Do's and Don'ts, and the Gregg Reference Manual. To further clarify, the QA department for the national service through which I do my transcription has instructed us to use the hyphen for mixed fractions, so that would be another factor in my personal decision to use the hyphen although I agree that using the space bar is an easier keystroke than is the hyphen. As I think we can all clearly see from just this one tiny example, there are numerous factors that go into deciding when, how, and why to do what... such is the life of an MT and part of what keeps us from getting bored, yes? :-) Kim R. Re: Mixed Fractions and Spacing Kim, That might by why your account requires you to use only keyboard characters--they're the only ones that yield an accurate count. On the other hand, since we're picking nits here, why put in the hyphen? The fraction is accurate without it (1 1/2 or 1-1/2--either is correct), but 1 1/2 is not likely to be read as " one minus one-half " and for most people, the space bar is an easier keystroke than is the hyphen. Valeria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2001 Report Share Posted June 14, 2001 Valeria, Gee, I sure didn't intend to sound like I was " picking nits " in a negative sense -- I was just throwing in my rationale behind how I consider which way to go. :-) As has since been brought out, different guides specify different preferences, and we're all left to make those decisions based on our individual situations. Additionally, for some MTs, the character counts on which pay is based include only the " printed " characters and not the spaces -- in that case, the hyphen yields an additional " paid " character whereas the space does not. I, too, am an MT instructor ( " taking a break " at the moment). I make my students aware of the different guides out there so that they will be aware of the various sources of what they ultimately may be instructed to follow, or if left to their own preferences, which one to choose for themselves. They include the AAMT BOS, Fordney & Diehl's Do's and Don'ts, and the Gregg Reference Manual. To further clarify, the QA department for the national service through which I do my transcription has instructed us to use the hyphen for mixed fractions, so that would be another factor in my personal decision to use the hyphen although I agree that using the space bar is an easier keystroke than is the hyphen. As I think we can all clearly see from just this one tiny example, there are numerous factors that go into deciding when, how, and why to do what... such is the life of an MT and part of what keeps us from getting bored, yes? :-) Kim R. Re: Mixed Fractions and Spacing Kim, That might by why your account requires you to use only keyboard characters--they're the only ones that yield an accurate count. On the other hand, since we're picking nits here, why put in the hyphen? The fraction is accurate without it (1 1/2 or 1-1/2--either is correct), but 1 1/2 is not likely to be read as " one minus one-half " and for most people, the space bar is an easier keystroke than is the hyphen. Valeria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2001 Report Share Posted June 14, 2001 In a message dated 6/14/2001 6:22:00 PM Central Daylight Time, vtruitt@... writes: > MT Do's and Don'ts doesn't seem to mind if you don't use that hyphen. Also, > >not everyone considers BOS the final word. Just a thought. > > > >Trisha > While this whole thing seems to be getting a little silly, if the AAMT BOS didn't provide some type of standards of style in our field, it would be up for grabs to any " typist " that wanted to 'make some money working from home'. I for one am very grateful to those before us who have set down some standards in medical transcription field. They have worked very hard to finally have our voices heard...hyphen or no hyphen. Cheryl, cmt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2001 Report Share Posted June 14, 2001 In a message dated 6/14/2001 6:22:00 PM Central Daylight Time, vtruitt@... writes: > MT Do's and Don'ts doesn't seem to mind if you don't use that hyphen. Also, > >not everyone considers BOS the final word. Just a thought. > > > >Trisha > While this whole thing seems to be getting a little silly, if the AAMT BOS didn't provide some type of standards of style in our field, it would be up for grabs to any " typist " that wanted to 'make some money working from home'. I for one am very grateful to those before us who have set down some standards in medical transcription field. They have worked very hard to finally have our voices heard...hyphen or no hyphen. Cheryl, cmt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2001 Report Share Posted June 14, 2001 In a message dated 6/14/2001 6:22:00 PM Central Daylight Time, vtruitt@... writes: > MT Do's and Don'ts doesn't seem to mind if you don't use that hyphen. Also, > >not everyone considers BOS the final word. Just a thought. > > > >Trisha > While this whole thing seems to be getting a little silly, if the AAMT BOS didn't provide some type of standards of style in our field, it would be up for grabs to any " typist " that wanted to 'make some money working from home'. I for one am very grateful to those before us who have set down some standards in medical transcription field. They have worked very hard to finally have our voices heard...hyphen or no hyphen. Cheryl, cmt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2001 Report Share Posted June 14, 2001 Re: Mixed Fractions and Spacing > In a message dated 6/14/2001 6:22:00 PM Central Daylight Time, > vtruitt@... writes: > > > > MT Do's and Don'ts doesn't seem to mind if you don't use that hyphen. Also, > > >not everyone considers BOS the final word. Just a thought. > > > > > >Trisha > > > While this whole thing seems to be getting a little silly, if the AAMT BOS > didn't provide some type of standards of style in our field, it would be up > for grabs to any " typist " that wanted to 'make some money working from home'. Be careful that you don't sound condescending to the health care professionals who do work from home. The days where transcriptionists learn on the job at the feet of experienced MTs is gone, like it or not. Any reference on style can only be a guide ( AAMT BOS included) to help give some standard to our field. However, there is no set standard. The standard by which we work is that which comes from the editors and QAs of the institutions we transcribe for. It would be nice were there one standard but in truth there are many and any time spent in this profession will make that evident. > I for one am very grateful to those before us who have set down some > standards in medical transcription field. They have worked very hard to > finally have our voices heard...hyphen or no hyphen. Yes some people did some very good work laying down a foundation of style and standards, but even those have changed and been amended over time. Just let us remember that they are there for reference and are not principles carved in stone. > Cheryl, cmt > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2001 Report Share Posted June 14, 2001 Re: Mixed Fractions and Spacing > In a message dated 6/14/2001 6:22:00 PM Central Daylight Time, > vtruitt@... writes: > > > > MT Do's and Don'ts doesn't seem to mind if you don't use that hyphen. Also, > > >not everyone considers BOS the final word. Just a thought. > > > > > >Trisha > > > While this whole thing seems to be getting a little silly, if the AAMT BOS > didn't provide some type of standards of style in our field, it would be up > for grabs to any " typist " that wanted to 'make some money working from home'. Be careful that you don't sound condescending to the health care professionals who do work from home. The days where transcriptionists learn on the job at the feet of experienced MTs is gone, like it or not. Any reference on style can only be a guide ( AAMT BOS included) to help give some standard to our field. However, there is no set standard. The standard by which we work is that which comes from the editors and QAs of the institutions we transcribe for. It would be nice were there one standard but in truth there are many and any time spent in this profession will make that evident. > I for one am very grateful to those before us who have set down some > standards in medical transcription field. They have worked very hard to > finally have our voices heard...hyphen or no hyphen. Yes some people did some very good work laying down a foundation of style and standards, but even those have changed and been amended over time. Just let us remember that they are there for reference and are not principles carved in stone. > Cheryl, cmt > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 YES This is not a field for those who want to be bored or serene. Aliceanne On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:53:39 -0500 " Kim Randall " writes: > Valeria, > > Gee, I sure didn't intend to sound like I was " picking nits " in a > negative > sense -- I was just throwing in my rationale behind how I consider > which way > to go. :-) > > As has since been brought out, different guides specify different > preferences, and we're all left to make those decisions based on > our > individual situations. Additionally, for some MTs, the character > counts on > which pay is based include only the " printed " characters and not > the > spaces -- in that case, the hyphen yields an additional " paid " > character > whereas the space does not. > > I, too, am an MT instructor ( " taking a break " at the moment). I > make my > students aware of the different guides out there so that they will > be aware > of the various sources of what they ultimately may be instructed to > follow, > or if left to their own preferences, which one to choose for > themselves. > They include the AAMT BOS, Fordney & Diehl's Do's and Don'ts, and > the Gregg > Reference Manual. > > To further clarify, the QA department for the national service > through which > I do my transcription has instructed us to use the hyphen for mixed > fractions, so that would be another factor in my personal decision > to use > the hyphen although I agree that using the space bar is an easier > keystroke > than is the hyphen. > > As I think we can all clearly see from just this one tiny example, > there are > numerous factors that go into deciding when, how, and why to do > what... > such is the life of an MT and part of what keeps us from getting > bored, yes? > > :-) > > Kim R. > > Re: Mixed Fractions and Spacing > > > Kim, > > That might by why your account requires you to use only keyboard > characters--they're the only ones that yield an accurate count. > > On the other hand, since we're picking nits here, why put in the > hyphen? The fraction is accurate without it (1 1/2 or 1-1/2--either > is > correct), but 1 1/2 is not likely to be read as " one minus one-half " > and > for most people, the space bar is an easier keystroke than is the > hyphen. > > Valeria > > > > > TO REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THIS MAILING LIST send a blank email to > nmtc-unsubscribe > > PLEASE VISIT THE NMTC WEB SITE - http://go.to/nmtc > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 YES This is not a field for those who want to be bored or serene. Aliceanne On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:53:39 -0500 " Kim Randall " writes: > Valeria, > > Gee, I sure didn't intend to sound like I was " picking nits " in a > negative > sense -- I was just throwing in my rationale behind how I consider > which way > to go. :-) > > As has since been brought out, different guides specify different > preferences, and we're all left to make those decisions based on > our > individual situations. Additionally, for some MTs, the character > counts on > which pay is based include only the " printed " characters and not > the > spaces -- in that case, the hyphen yields an additional " paid " > character > whereas the space does not. > > I, too, am an MT instructor ( " taking a break " at the moment). I > make my > students aware of the different guides out there so that they will > be aware > of the various sources of what they ultimately may be instructed to > follow, > or if left to their own preferences, which one to choose for > themselves. > They include the AAMT BOS, Fordney & Diehl's Do's and Don'ts, and > the Gregg > Reference Manual. > > To further clarify, the QA department for the national service > through which > I do my transcription has instructed us to use the hyphen for mixed > fractions, so that would be another factor in my personal decision > to use > the hyphen although I agree that using the space bar is an easier > keystroke > than is the hyphen. > > As I think we can all clearly see from just this one tiny example, > there are > numerous factors that go into deciding when, how, and why to do > what... > such is the life of an MT and part of what keeps us from getting > bored, yes? > > :-) > > Kim R. > > Re: Mixed Fractions and Spacing > > > Kim, > > That might by why your account requires you to use only keyboard > characters--they're the only ones that yield an accurate count. > > On the other hand, since we're picking nits here, why put in the > hyphen? The fraction is accurate without it (1 1/2 or 1-1/2--either > is > correct), but 1 1/2 is not likely to be read as " one minus one-half " > and > for most people, the space bar is an easier keystroke than is the > hyphen. > > Valeria > > > > > TO REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THIS MAILING LIST send a blank email to > nmtc-unsubscribe > > PLEASE VISIT THE NMTC WEB SITE - http://go.to/nmtc > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 : While this whole thing seems to be getting a little silly, if the AAMT BOS : didn't provide some type of standards of style in our field, it would be up : for grabs to any " typist " that wanted to 'make some money working from home'. : I for one am very grateful to those before us who have set down some : standards in medical transcription field. They have worked very hard to : finally have our voices heard...hyphen or no hyphen. : : Cheryl, cmt : I agree, a set standard of style would be nice. BOS and MT Do's and Don'ts are the closest things we have to that, and they disagree on things. So where do you let your final decision fall? I go with BOS, but I also recognize that there is more than one acceptable way to do most things. The fact remains that not everyone uses BOS. I'm not really sure on what you meant by style being up for grabs to any " typist " that wanted to " make some money working from home " . I know what that sounded like, but I'll not assume where you were going with that. I will say that book of style or no book of style, most of us are at the mercy of whatever the medical records director or transcription director wants that week, and much of the time that is not correct according to AAMT BOS. So it doesn't matter to me what the average hard working MT out there prefers to do, for BOS to be recognized as THE standard we have to get the big boys to play along...and for now, they don't. I am extremely grateful that someone took the time and effort to try to standardize the style and format of medical transcription. The best way we can support it is to quote it and recommend it. However, we have to also recognize that not everyone goes by it, and that doesn't make them wrong. Until we have a style guide that is recognized across the board as the final word on medical transcription and that is adopted and enforced throughout the entire medical transcription profession, then we are left with a couple of great style guides. One is more accepted than the other, neither are the final word, and we all still have to do what the boss wants. Trisha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 : While this whole thing seems to be getting a little silly, if the AAMT BOS : didn't provide some type of standards of style in our field, it would be up : for grabs to any " typist " that wanted to 'make some money working from home'. : I for one am very grateful to those before us who have set down some : standards in medical transcription field. They have worked very hard to : finally have our voices heard...hyphen or no hyphen. : : Cheryl, cmt : I agree, a set standard of style would be nice. BOS and MT Do's and Don'ts are the closest things we have to that, and they disagree on things. So where do you let your final decision fall? I go with BOS, but I also recognize that there is more than one acceptable way to do most things. The fact remains that not everyone uses BOS. I'm not really sure on what you meant by style being up for grabs to any " typist " that wanted to " make some money working from home " . I know what that sounded like, but I'll not assume where you were going with that. I will say that book of style or no book of style, most of us are at the mercy of whatever the medical records director or transcription director wants that week, and much of the time that is not correct according to AAMT BOS. So it doesn't matter to me what the average hard working MT out there prefers to do, for BOS to be recognized as THE standard we have to get the big boys to play along...and for now, they don't. I am extremely grateful that someone took the time and effort to try to standardize the style and format of medical transcription. The best way we can support it is to quote it and recommend it. However, we have to also recognize that not everyone goes by it, and that doesn't make them wrong. Until we have a style guide that is recognized across the board as the final word on medical transcription and that is adopted and enforced throughout the entire medical transcription profession, then we are left with a couple of great style guides. One is more accepted than the other, neither are the final word, and we all still have to do what the boss wants. Trisha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 Along the lines of " there's not one single standard " for medical transcription: I'm in the office and I located the other two references I have, in addition to Medical Transcription Do's and Don'ts. One is Delmar's Medical Transcription Handbook 2nd Edition (1998) by le S. Blake, which doesn't spell out their preferred technique for keying mixed numbers but on p. 153, illustrates a mixed fraction WITH the hyphen ( " The condition lasted for 2-1/2 days " ). The other is Medical Keyboarding, Typing, and Transcribing: Techniques and Procedures by Marcy O. Diehl and Marilyn T. Fordney 4th Edition (1997). On p. 113, it states " Note: Make all fractions on the keyboard using the whole number, the slash, and the second whole number, with no spacing. Mixed fractions are made with a space between the whole number and the first number of the fraction. Examples: 1/2 inch 1 1/2 inch (not 1 and 1/2 inch, which the dictator might say) 1/2-inch incision (compound modifier). " Obviously, there are multiple standards. I am really reluctant to get into the politics of AAMT on this list, as the list is open to everyone regardless of his or her decision to support--or not support--a particular organization. My belief is that we on this list are all striving to enhance the professionalism of Medical Transcription, as evidenced by our desire to help each other, to meet high goals of accuracy, documention, and verification, and to discuss issues of interest to Medical Transcriptionists everywhere. As has already been mentioned, there are other style preferences that some are held to, including AMA, employers' in-house style manuals, and the arbitrary decisions of QA persons who are using a reference known only to them ( " The Alpha Centauri Manual of Style for Medical Transcriptionists in Remote Corners of the Galaxy " ). Please, let us work together to enhance the profession and our respect for each other. Valeria T wrote: > : While this whole thing seems to be getting a little silly, if the AAMT BOS > : didn't provide some type of standards of style in our field, it would be > up > : for grabs to any " typist " that wanted to 'make some money working from > home'. > : I for one am very grateful to those before us who have set down some > : standards in medical transcription field. They have worked very hard to > : finally have our voices heard...hyphen or no hyphen. > : > : Cheryl, cmt > : > > I agree, a set standard of style would be nice. BOS and MT Do's and Don'ts > are the closest things we have to that, and they disagree on things. So > where do you let your final decision fall? I go with BOS, but I also > recognize that there is more than one acceptable way to do most things. The > fact remains that not everyone uses BOS. > > I'm not really sure on what you meant by style being up for grabs to any > " typist " that wanted to " make some money working from home " . I know what > that sounded like, but I'll not assume where you were going with that. I > will say that book of style or no book of style, most of us are at the mercy > of whatever the medical records director or transcription director wants > that week, and much of the time that is not correct according to AAMT BOS. > So it doesn't matter to me what the average hard working MT out there > prefers to do, for BOS to be recognized as THE standard we have to get the > big boys to play along...and for now, they don't. > > I am extremely grateful that someone took the time and effort to try to > standardize the style and format of medical transcription. The best way > we can support it is to quote it and recommend it. However, we have to also > recognize that not everyone goes by it, and that doesn't make them wrong. > Until we have a style guide that is recognized across the board as the final > word on medical transcription and that is adopted and enforced throughout > the entire medical transcription profession, then we are left with a couple > of great style guides. One is more accepted than the other, neither are the > final word, and we all still have to do what the boss wants. > > Trisha > -- Valeria D. Truitt Phone Medical Office Administration Fax Craven Community College Office E-109 New Bern, NC 28562 e-mail vtruitt@... There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. Anson Heinlein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 Hi folks, I am enjoying this discussion, despite the bit of politics creeping in. There are some things in writing which I think can never be resolved, no matter how many nits we pick <g>. But it's fun to try, and here are my 2 cents worth on this one: I haven't bothered to figure out how to type reduced size fractions on my computer. I figure it can't be done on my computer. After all, whenever somebody else uses them, they appear on my screen as indecipherable hieroglyphics. I figure that even if I could type them, they will appear on some other poor soul's screen as indecipherable hieroglyphics, and I don't want that. As for writing them out, I prefer the hyphen. To my eyes, it's clearer. If I wanted x minus y/z, I'd type a space on either side of the minus sign. But that's just my opinion and not based on any stylebook. I did go running to my Canadian Press Stylebook (which I DO NOT recommend unless you want to write for the Canadian media), and although there is much discussion about when to use numerals and when to write fractions out as words, there is nothing about how to type the numerals. The examples they give for other purposes use reduced size fractions and no space. However, they do offer a quote from the Oxford University Press Stylebook which perhaps we should all take to heart: " If you take hyphens seriously, you will surely go mad. " TTFN Michele Kelowna, BC, Canada mt-to-be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 In a message dated 6/16/2001 12:27:17 AM Central Daylight Time, cadenza@... writes: > If you take hyphens seriously, you will surely go mad. " > > TTFN > Michele > I LOVE THIS... Thanks .. Cheryl, cmt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 In a message dated 6/16/2001 12:27:17 AM Central Daylight Time, cadenza@... writes: > If you take hyphens seriously, you will surely go mad. " > > TTFN > Michele > I LOVE THIS... Thanks .. Cheryl, cmt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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