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In a message dated 6/13/2001 10:03:04 AM Central Daylight Time,

rennie@... writes:

> Is there supposed to be a space between the whole number and the " reduced

> sized " fraction? Viz: 1½

>

BOS page 146, section on fractions, under mixed fractions (almost the bottom

of the page)....reduced-size fractions...placed directly following whole

numbers.

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No, there is no space between the whole number and the single-unit

fraction. There is a space between the whole number and the " created "

fraction to distinguish between the parts of the numbers. Otherwise, you'd

have 11/2--eleven halves.

Valeria

At 09:30 AM 6/13/2001, Rennie wrote:

>Is there supposed to be a space between the whole number and the " reduced

>sized " fraction? Viz: 1½

>

>I have the BOS but can't for the life of me tell if there is a space after

>the whole number. In my example above there is no space.

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Thank you, Valeria!

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No, there is no space between the whole number and the single-unit

fraction. There is a space between the whole number and the " created "

fraction to distinguish between the parts of the numbers. Otherwise, you'd

have 11/2--eleven halves.

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Rennie wrote:

> Is there supposed to be a space between the whole number and the " reduced

sized " fraction? Viz: 1½

>

> I have the BOS but can't for the life of me tell if there is a space after the

whole number. In my example above there is no space.

This is interesting . . . something I've never considered. I *don't* have the

BOS (my copy is loaned out), but I've never seen whole

numbers mixed with " reduced size " fractions. I usually don't use the " reduced

size " fractions when I can get by with it anyway, because

1/2 typed out is three characters and as a symbol is only one, but also because

when you put it with a whole number I think it looks

better to put " 1-1/2. " I bet there are going to be lots of people who disagree

with me . . . and it won't be the first (or last) time

that's happened. ;-)

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Word has an option which will yield these " reduced " sized fractions

automatically. You type " 1/2 " and it becomes " ½ " so in my particular case I

am actually typing 3 characters. I like it! I actually think it looks

better, LOL! Of course, I will do whatever my employer wants when I start

working. And I may not even be using Word then, who knows?

I've learned that MTs can debate the most interesting things; I love it.

<g> Before I became associated with any MTs I felt kind of alone sometimes

with my anal personality. :P~~~~

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> This is interesting . . . something I've never considered. I *don't* have

the BOS (my copy is loaned out), but I've never seen whole

> numbers mixed with " reduced size " fractions. I usually don't use the

" reduced size " fractions when I can get by with it anyway, because

> 1/2 typed out is three characters and as a symbol is only one, but also

because when you put it with a whole number I think it looks

> better to put " 1-1/2. " I bet there are going to be lots of people who

disagree with me . . . and it won't be the first (or last) time

> that's happened. ;-)

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Cheryl, yes I read that part " placed directly following " but I still wasn't sure

if they meant directly or directly after a space. Directly is such a subjective

term, you know? LOL!

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Re: Mixed Fractions and Spacing

In a message dated 6/13/2001 10:03:04 AM Central Daylight Time,

rennie@... writes:

Is there supposed to be a space between the whole number and the " reduced

sized " fraction? Viz: 1½

BOS page 146, section on fractions, under mixed fractions (almost the bottom

of the page)....reduced-size fractions...placed directly following whole

numbers.

Cheryl, cmt

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Cheryl, yes I read that part " placed directly following " but I still wasn't sure

if they meant directly or directly after a space. Directly is such a subjective

term, you know? LOL!

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46/Texas/nulligravida

Career Step Student www.careerstep.com

Current Specialty: Studying Applied Medical Terminology - Orthopedics

~Find a job you love and you will never have to work again.~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Re: Mixed Fractions and Spacing

In a message dated 6/13/2001 10:03:04 AM Central Daylight Time,

rennie@... writes:

Is there supposed to be a space between the whole number and the " reduced

sized " fraction? Viz: 1½

BOS page 146, section on fractions, under mixed fractions (almost the bottom

of the page)....reduced-size fractions...placed directly following whole

numbers.

Cheryl, cmt

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The only problem with this in MS Word is that I have to put a space between

them first and then go back and delete it to get the smaller fraction right

next the whole number.

BOS page 146, section on fractions, under mixed fractions (almost the bottom

of the page)....reduced-size fractions...placed directly following whole

numbers.

Cheryl, cmt

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The only problem with this in MS Word is that I have to put a space between

them first and then go back and delete it to get the smaller fraction right

next the whole number.

BOS page 146, section on fractions, under mixed fractions (almost the bottom

of the page)....reduced-size fractions...placed directly following whole

numbers.

Cheryl, cmt

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You could use the ASCII equivalent, which is Alt + 171. That is, hold down

the Alt key and key 171 on the number pad. Alt + 172 is ¼ (1/4). The

other ASCII equivalent I use frequently is Alt + 248, which is the °

(degree symbol).

Valeria

At 03:14 PM 6/13/2001, tessbear wrote:

>The only problem with this in MS Word is that I have to put a space between

>them first and then go back and delete it to get the smaller fraction right

>next the whole number.

>

>

>

>

>BOS page 146, section on fractions, under mixed fractions (almost the bottom

>of the page)....reduced-size fractions...placed directly following whole

>numbers.

>

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I did not know you could use that in MS Word. I learned something new today.

Thank you!

Valeria Truitt wrote:

> You could use the ASCII equivalent, which is Alt + 171. That is, hold down

> the Alt key and key 171 on the number pad. Alt + 172 is ¼ (1/4). The

> other ASCII equivalent I use frequently is Alt + 248, which is the °

> (degree symbol).

>

> Valeria

>

> At 03:14 PM 6/13/2001, tessbear wrote:

>

> >The only problem with this in MS Word is that I have to put a space between

> >them first and then go back and delete it to get the smaller fraction right

> >next the whole number.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >BOS page 146, section on fractions, under mixed fractions (almost the bottom

> >of the page)....reduced-size fractions...placed directly following whole

> >numbers.

> >

> >Cheryl, cmt

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I did not know you could use that in MS Word. I learned something new today.

Thank you!

Valeria Truitt wrote:

> You could use the ASCII equivalent, which is Alt + 171. That is, hold down

> the Alt key and key 171 on the number pad. Alt + 172 is ¼ (1/4). The

> other ASCII equivalent I use frequently is Alt + 248, which is the °

> (degree symbol).

>

> Valeria

>

> At 03:14 PM 6/13/2001, tessbear wrote:

>

> >The only problem with this in MS Word is that I have to put a space between

> >them first and then go back and delete it to get the smaller fraction right

> >next the whole number.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >BOS page 146, section on fractions, under mixed fractions (almost the bottom

> >of the page)....reduced-size fractions...placed directly following whole

> >numbers.

> >

> >Cheryl, cmt

> >

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Both my Word and WP software programs will default 1/2 to the symbol 1/2

(small cased) after typing the 2 and spacing. I admit, I do have to

backspace to connect the whole number and the fraction, but I do believe it

is what is preferred. The BOS does say, IF you cannot create reduced-size

fractions...blah, blah. Neither is incorrect though. So, whether you type

it 1-1/2 4 keystrokes 11/2 (reduced-size fraction) you are using about the

same amt of keystrokes.

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Thank you.

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On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:42:03 -0400 Valeria Truitt

writes:

> You could use the ASCII equivalent, which is Alt + 171. That is,

> hold down

> the Alt key and key 171 on the number pad. Alt + 172 is ¼ (1/4).

> The

> other ASCII equivalent I use frequently is Alt + 248, which is the °

>

> (degree symbol).

>

> Valeria

>

> At 03:14 PM 6/13/2001, tessbear wrote:

>

> >The only problem with this in MS Word is that I have to put a space

> between

> >them first and then go back and delete it to get the smaller

> fraction right

> >next the whole number.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >BOS page 146, section on fractions, under mixed fractions (almost

> the bottom

> >of the page)....reduced-size fractions...placed directly following

> whole

> >numbers.

> >

> >Cheryl, cmt

> >

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On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:42:03 -0400 Valeria Truitt

writes:

> You could use the ASCII equivalent, which is Alt + 171. That is,

> hold down

> the Alt key and key 171 on the number pad. Alt + 172 is ¼ (1/4).

> The

> other ASCII equivalent I use frequently is Alt + 248, which is the °

>

> (degree symbol).

>

> Valeria

>

> At 03:14 PM 6/13/2001, tessbear wrote:

>

> >The only problem with this in MS Word is that I have to put a space

> between

> >them first and then go back and delete it to get the smaller

> fraction right

> >next the whole number.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >BOS page 146, section on fractions, under mixed fractions (almost

> the bottom

> >of the page)....reduced-size fractions...placed directly following

> whole

> >numbers.

> >

> >Cheryl, cmt

> >

> >

> >

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Thanks. I knew about the Alt shortcuts in WP 5.1 but didn't know some also

worked in MS Word. This is great!

You could use the ASCII equivalent, which is Alt + 171. That is, hold down

the Alt key and key 171 on the number pad. Alt + 172 is ¼ (1/4). The

other ASCII equivalent I use frequently is Alt + 248, which is the °

(degree symbol).

Valeria

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Thanks. I knew about the Alt shortcuts in WP 5.1 but didn't know some also

worked in MS Word. This is great!

You could use the ASCII equivalent, which is Alt + 171. That is, hold down

the Alt key and key 171 on the number pad. Alt + 172 is ¼ (1/4). The

other ASCII equivalent I use frequently is Alt + 248, which is the °

(degree symbol).

Valeria

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In a message dated 6/14/2001 10:24:58 AM Central Daylight Time,

texpert@... writes:

> My point was that if you change it to a symbol, you get PAID for only

> one character, whereas you get paid for three if you type it out.

>

>

Point well taken...I do not get paid per character and never had so that

aspect did not occur to me.

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In a message dated 6/14/2001 12:25:41 PM Central Daylight Time,

vtruitt@... writes:

> (1 1/2 or 1-1/2--either is

> correct),

I am not trying to pick nits here...but either is not correct. AAMT

BOS--page 146, Fractions, mixed fractions.... " if you cannot create

reduced-size fractions that can be placed directly following the whole

numbers, then use the " numeral-virgule-numeral " style placing a hyphen

between the whole number and the fraction.

Let us not lose site of quality in our style to make room for 4 characters vs

5 characters. Our field has come wayyyyyyy too far for that. Let us not

undo all that Tessier worked so hard as one of our founders to

create.

A fan of ....quality over quantity anyday.

Cheryl, cmt

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In a message dated 06-14-01 2:13:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

MGrant@... writes:

<< Per BOS, " If you cannot create reduced-sized fractions that can be placed

directly following whole numbers, ...then place a hyphen between the whole

number and the fraction. " So I am confused. I have never heard of not using

a hyphen when doing fractions. Is this something new? Margaret

>>

And I, on the other hand, have never heard of using a hyphen with a

fraction.. we've always transcribed it as " 1 1/2 " NOT " 1-1/2 " . I suspect I

do it without the hyphen because that's how we were taught to do it in typing

class. Go figure :)

Jan " Typing is my life "

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Something to consider when deciding which way to go:

For 1-1/2, that would be 5 keystrokes and counted as 5 characters.

For 1½ (using the Alt-171 method), that would be 5 keystrokes and counted as

2 characters.

Since the software I use counts " characters " for billing purposes (rather

than keystrokes), that would make a difference in terms of my pay.

As it happens, the account I work doesn't allow the use of " special

characters " -- any character that does not itself exist directly on the

keyboard cannot be used. Therefore I don't have a choice, but if I did, I

would chose the " higher " character count unless specific guidelines or

client preferences dictated otherwise.

Kim R.

Re: Mixed Fractions and Spacing

Both my Word and WP software programs will default 1/2 to the symbol 1/2

(small cased) after typing the 2 and spacing. I admit, I do have to

backspace to connect the whole number and the fraction, but I do believe it

is what is preferred. The BOS does say, IF you cannot create reduced-size

fractions...blah, blah. Neither is incorrect though. So, whether you type

it 1-1/2 4 keystrokes 11/2 (reduced-size fraction) you are using about the

same amt of keystrokes.

Cheryl, cmt

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Valeria, At the hospital where I work, something about the software program we

use does not like the symbols for fractions, so we have to type them out. You

are now bringing up something that I have never heard before and that does not

agree with the AAMT BOS. That is that you can type the fractions either with or

without the hyphens. Per BOS, " If you cannot create reduced-sized fractions

that can be placed directly following whole numbers, ...then place a hyphen

between the whole number and the fraction. " So I am confused. I have never

heard of not using a hyphen when doing fractions. Is this something new?

Margaret

>>> Valeria Truitt 06/14/01 01:36PM >>>

Kim,

That might by why your account requires you to use only keyboard

characters--they're the only ones that yield an accurate count.

On the other hand, since we're picking nits here, why put in the

hyphen? The fraction is accurate without it (1 1/2 or 1-1/2--either is

correct), but 1 1/2 is not likely to be read as " one minus one-half " and

for most people, the space bar is an easier keystroke than is the hyphen.

Valeria

At 12:11 PM 6/14/2001, Kim Randall wrote:

>Something to consider when deciding which way to go:

>

>For 1-1/2, that would be 5 keystrokes and counted as 5 characters.

>

>For 1½ (using the Alt-171 method), that would be 5 keystrokes and counted as

>2 characters.

>

>Since the software I use counts " characters " for billing purposes (rather

>than keystrokes), that would make a difference in terms of my pay.

>

>As it happens, the account I work doesn't allow the use of " special

>characters " -- any character that does not itself exist directly on the

>keyboard cannot be used. Therefore I don't have a choice, but if I did, I

>would chose the " higher " character count unless specific guidelines or

>client preferences dictated otherwise.

>

>Kim R.

>

> Re: Mixed Fractions and Spacing

>

>

>Both my Word and WP software programs will default 1/2 to the symbol 1/2

>(small cased) after typing the 2 and spacing. I admit, I do have to

>backspace to connect the whole number and the fraction, but I do believe it

>is what is preferred. The BOS does say, IF you cannot create reduced-size

>fractions...blah, blah. Neither is incorrect though. So, whether you type

>it 1-1/2 4 keystrokes 11/2 (reduced-size fraction) you are using about the

>same amt of keystrokes.

>

>Cheryl, cmt

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Interestingly, I've known a couple of MTs who were required to use the AMA

style guide with their job. I've heard it is very different from how most

of us do things.

Trisha

Re: Mixed Fractions and Spacing

: Just as an aside, I remember one of the Career Step instructors mentioning

: the " Chicago Manual Of Style, " I believe it was, as the recognized

authority

: on style, at the academic university level. Valeria may be familiar with

: it.

:

: I'm still so new that my horns are green and I have a turnip stuck to my

: gluteus maximus but I've decided that I'm going to use the BOS as my style

: guide unless my employer/client says otherwise. I just need some sort of

: guideline and the BOS is going to be it for me with the above stated

: exception. :P I'll have to decide later what to do if it is not in the

BOS

: or my client doesn't have a preference. Maybe I will just come here and

: take a poll!!

: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

: Rennie - Student Member of AAMT

: 46/Texas/nulligravida

: Career Step Student www.careerstep.com

: Current Specialty: Studying Applied Medical Terminology - Orthopedics

: ~Find a job you love and you will never have to work again.~

: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

: ----- Original Message -----

:

:

: Margaret,

:

: You have pointed out a significant issue in choosing a style manual. That

: is, it's a choice. If there were a perfect style manual, there would be

: only one and everyone would be using it. My statement that " it's

optional "

: comes from 35 years of checking student papers for accuracy and using a

: variety of style manuals--and dealing with students who will research

every

: style manual known to man until they find one that agrees with them

*grin*.

:

: I don't have the AAMT BOS (it's on my wish list, but the school ran out of

: money :-(). I'm sure you have quoted it accurately.

:

: Of the three I do have, one is the Saunders publication, one is the Gregg

: Reference Manual, and I don't recall the publisher of the other

: one. Perhaps some of our fellow list members have others, particularly

: in-house style manuals that are in use by specific employers.

: <SNIP>

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Interestingly, I've known a couple of MTs who were required to use the AMA

style guide with their job. I've heard it is very different from how most

of us do things.

Trisha

Re: Mixed Fractions and Spacing

: Just as an aside, I remember one of the Career Step instructors mentioning

: the " Chicago Manual Of Style, " I believe it was, as the recognized

authority

: on style, at the academic university level. Valeria may be familiar with

: it.

:

: I'm still so new that my horns are green and I have a turnip stuck to my

: gluteus maximus but I've decided that I'm going to use the BOS as my style

: guide unless my employer/client says otherwise. I just need some sort of

: guideline and the BOS is going to be it for me with the above stated

: exception. :P I'll have to decide later what to do if it is not in the

BOS

: or my client doesn't have a preference. Maybe I will just come here and

: take a poll!!

: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

: Rennie - Student Member of AAMT

: 46/Texas/nulligravida

: Career Step Student www.careerstep.com

: Current Specialty: Studying Applied Medical Terminology - Orthopedics

: ~Find a job you love and you will never have to work again.~

: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

: ----- Original Message -----

:

:

: Margaret,

:

: You have pointed out a significant issue in choosing a style manual. That

: is, it's a choice. If there were a perfect style manual, there would be

: only one and everyone would be using it. My statement that " it's

optional "

: comes from 35 years of checking student papers for accuracy and using a

: variety of style manuals--and dealing with students who will research

every

: style manual known to man until they find one that agrees with them

*grin*.

:

: I don't have the AAMT BOS (it's on my wish list, but the school ran out of

: money :-(). I'm sure you have quoted it accurately.

:

: Of the three I do have, one is the Saunders publication, one is the Gregg

: Reference Manual, and I don't recall the publisher of the other

: one. Perhaps some of our fellow list members have others, particularly

: in-house style manuals that are in use by specific employers.

: <SNIP>

:

:

: TO REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THIS MAILING LIST send a blank email to

nmtc-unsubscribe

:

: PLEASE VISIT THE NMTC WEB SITE - http://go.to/nmtc

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Interestingly, I've known a couple of MTs who were required to use the AMA

style guide with their job. I've heard it is very different from how most

of us do things.

Trisha

Re: Mixed Fractions and Spacing

: Just as an aside, I remember one of the Career Step instructors mentioning

: the " Chicago Manual Of Style, " I believe it was, as the recognized

authority

: on style, at the academic university level. Valeria may be familiar with

: it.

:

: I'm still so new that my horns are green and I have a turnip stuck to my

: gluteus maximus but I've decided that I'm going to use the BOS as my style

: guide unless my employer/client says otherwise. I just need some sort of

: guideline and the BOS is going to be it for me with the above stated

: exception. :P I'll have to decide later what to do if it is not in the

BOS

: or my client doesn't have a preference. Maybe I will just come here and

: take a poll!!

: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

: Rennie - Student Member of AAMT

: 46/Texas/nulligravida

: Career Step Student www.careerstep.com

: Current Specialty: Studying Applied Medical Terminology - Orthopedics

: ~Find a job you love and you will never have to work again.~

: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

: ----- Original Message -----

:

:

: Margaret,

:

: You have pointed out a significant issue in choosing a style manual. That

: is, it's a choice. If there were a perfect style manual, there would be

: only one and everyone would be using it. My statement that " it's

optional "

: comes from 35 years of checking student papers for accuracy and using a

: variety of style manuals--and dealing with students who will research

every

: style manual known to man until they find one that agrees with them

*grin*.

:

: I don't have the AAMT BOS (it's on my wish list, but the school ran out of

: money :-(). I'm sure you have quoted it accurately.

:

: Of the three I do have, one is the Saunders publication, one is the Gregg

: Reference Manual, and I don't recall the publisher of the other

: one. Perhaps some of our fellow list members have others, particularly

: in-house style manuals that are in use by specific employers.

: <SNIP>

:

:

: TO REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THIS MAILING LIST send a blank email to

nmtc-unsubscribe

:

: PLEASE VISIT THE NMTC WEB SITE - http://go.to/nmtc

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