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Valeria,

Gee, I sure didn't intend to sound like I was " picking nits " in a negative

sense -- I was just throwing in my rationale behind how I consider which way

to go. :-)

As has since been brought out, different guides specify different

preferences, and we're all left to make those decisions based on our

individual situations. Additionally, for some MTs, the character counts on

which pay is based include only the " printed " characters and not the

spaces -- in that case, the hyphen yields an additional " paid " character

whereas the space does not.

I, too, am an MT instructor ( " taking a break " at the moment). I make my

students aware of the different guides out there so that they will be aware

of the various sources of what they ultimately may be instructed to follow,

or if left to their own preferences, which one to choose for themselves.

They include the AAMT BOS, Fordney & Diehl's Do's and Don'ts, and the Gregg

Reference Manual.

To further clarify, the QA department for the national service through which

I do my transcription has instructed us to use the hyphen for mixed

fractions, so that would be another factor in my personal decision to use

the hyphen although I agree that using the space bar is an easier keystroke

than is the hyphen.

As I think we can all clearly see from just this one tiny example, there are

numerous factors that go into deciding when, how, and why to do what...

such is the life of an MT and part of what keeps us from getting bored, yes?

:-)

Kim R.

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Kim,

That might by why your account requires you to use only keyboard

characters--they're the only ones that yield an accurate count.

On the other hand, since we're picking nits here, why put in the

hyphen? The fraction is accurate without it (1 1/2 or 1-1/2--either is

correct), but 1 1/2 is not likely to be read as " one minus one-half " and

for most people, the space bar is an easier keystroke than is the hyphen.

Valeria

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Valeria,

Gee, I sure didn't intend to sound like I was " picking nits " in a negative

sense -- I was just throwing in my rationale behind how I consider which way

to go. :-)

As has since been brought out, different guides specify different

preferences, and we're all left to make those decisions based on our

individual situations. Additionally, for some MTs, the character counts on

which pay is based include only the " printed " characters and not the

spaces -- in that case, the hyphen yields an additional " paid " character

whereas the space does not.

I, too, am an MT instructor ( " taking a break " at the moment). I make my

students aware of the different guides out there so that they will be aware

of the various sources of what they ultimately may be instructed to follow,

or if left to their own preferences, which one to choose for themselves.

They include the AAMT BOS, Fordney & Diehl's Do's and Don'ts, and the Gregg

Reference Manual.

To further clarify, the QA department for the national service through which

I do my transcription has instructed us to use the hyphen for mixed

fractions, so that would be another factor in my personal decision to use

the hyphen although I agree that using the space bar is an easier keystroke

than is the hyphen.

As I think we can all clearly see from just this one tiny example, there are

numerous factors that go into deciding when, how, and why to do what...

such is the life of an MT and part of what keeps us from getting bored, yes?

:-)

Kim R.

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Kim,

That might by why your account requires you to use only keyboard

characters--they're the only ones that yield an accurate count.

On the other hand, since we're picking nits here, why put in the

hyphen? The fraction is accurate without it (1 1/2 or 1-1/2--either is

correct), but 1 1/2 is not likely to be read as " one minus one-half " and

for most people, the space bar is an easier keystroke than is the hyphen.

Valeria

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Valeria,

Gee, I sure didn't intend to sound like I was " picking nits " in a negative

sense -- I was just throwing in my rationale behind how I consider which way

to go. :-)

As has since been brought out, different guides specify different

preferences, and we're all left to make those decisions based on our

individual situations. Additionally, for some MTs, the character counts on

which pay is based include only the " printed " characters and not the

spaces -- in that case, the hyphen yields an additional " paid " character

whereas the space does not.

I, too, am an MT instructor ( " taking a break " at the moment). I make my

students aware of the different guides out there so that they will be aware

of the various sources of what they ultimately may be instructed to follow,

or if left to their own preferences, which one to choose for themselves.

They include the AAMT BOS, Fordney & Diehl's Do's and Don'ts, and the Gregg

Reference Manual.

To further clarify, the QA department for the national service through which

I do my transcription has instructed us to use the hyphen for mixed

fractions, so that would be another factor in my personal decision to use

the hyphen although I agree that using the space bar is an easier keystroke

than is the hyphen.

As I think we can all clearly see from just this one tiny example, there are

numerous factors that go into deciding when, how, and why to do what...

such is the life of an MT and part of what keeps us from getting bored, yes?

:-)

Kim R.

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Kim,

That might by why your account requires you to use only keyboard

characters--they're the only ones that yield an accurate count.

On the other hand, since we're picking nits here, why put in the

hyphen? The fraction is accurate without it (1 1/2 or 1-1/2--either is

correct), but 1 1/2 is not likely to be read as " one minus one-half " and

for most people, the space bar is an easier keystroke than is the hyphen.

Valeria

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In a message dated 6/14/2001 6:22:00 PM Central Daylight Time,

vtruitt@... writes:

> MT Do's and Don'ts doesn't seem to mind if you don't use that hyphen. Also,

> >not everyone considers BOS the final word. Just a thought.

> >

> >Trisha

>

While this whole thing seems to be getting a little silly, if the AAMT BOS

didn't provide some type of standards of style in our field, it would be up

for grabs to any " typist " that wanted to 'make some money working from home'.

I for one am very grateful to those before us who have set down some

standards in medical transcription field. They have worked very hard to

finally have our voices heard...hyphen or no hyphen.

Cheryl, cmt

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In a message dated 6/14/2001 6:22:00 PM Central Daylight Time,

vtruitt@... writes:

> MT Do's and Don'ts doesn't seem to mind if you don't use that hyphen. Also,

> >not everyone considers BOS the final word. Just a thought.

> >

> >Trisha

>

While this whole thing seems to be getting a little silly, if the AAMT BOS

didn't provide some type of standards of style in our field, it would be up

for grabs to any " typist " that wanted to 'make some money working from home'.

I for one am very grateful to those before us who have set down some

standards in medical transcription field. They have worked very hard to

finally have our voices heard...hyphen or no hyphen.

Cheryl, cmt

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In a message dated 6/14/2001 6:22:00 PM Central Daylight Time,

vtruitt@... writes:

> MT Do's and Don'ts doesn't seem to mind if you don't use that hyphen. Also,

> >not everyone considers BOS the final word. Just a thought.

> >

> >Trisha

>

While this whole thing seems to be getting a little silly, if the AAMT BOS

didn't provide some type of standards of style in our field, it would be up

for grabs to any " typist " that wanted to 'make some money working from home'.

I for one am very grateful to those before us who have set down some

standards in medical transcription field. They have worked very hard to

finally have our voices heard...hyphen or no hyphen.

Cheryl, cmt

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> In a message dated 6/14/2001 6:22:00 PM Central Daylight Time,

> vtruitt@... writes:

>

>

> > MT Do's and Don'ts doesn't seem to mind if you don't use that hyphen.

Also,

> > >not everyone considers BOS the final word. Just a thought.

> > >

> > >Trisha

> >

> While this whole thing seems to be getting a little silly, if the AAMT BOS

> didn't provide some type of standards of style in our field, it would be

up

> for grabs to any " typist " that wanted to 'make some money working from

home'.

Be careful that you don't sound condescending to the health care

professionals who do work from home. The days where transcriptionists learn

on the job at the feet of experienced MTs is gone, like it or not. Any

reference on style can only be a guide ( AAMT BOS included) to help give

some standard to our field. However, there is no set standard. The

standard by which we work is that which comes from the editors and QAs of

the institutions we transcribe for. It would be nice were there one

standard but in truth there are many and any time spent in this profession

will make that evident.

> I for one am very grateful to those before us who have set down some

> standards in medical transcription field. They have worked very hard to

> finally have our voices heard...hyphen or no hyphen.

Yes some people did some very good work laying down a foundation of style

and standards, but even those have changed and been amended over time. Just

let us remember that they are there for reference and are not principles

carved in stone.

> Cheryl, cmt

>

>

>

>

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> In a message dated 6/14/2001 6:22:00 PM Central Daylight Time,

> vtruitt@... writes:

>

>

> > MT Do's and Don'ts doesn't seem to mind if you don't use that hyphen.

Also,

> > >not everyone considers BOS the final word. Just a thought.

> > >

> > >Trisha

> >

> While this whole thing seems to be getting a little silly, if the AAMT BOS

> didn't provide some type of standards of style in our field, it would be

up

> for grabs to any " typist " that wanted to 'make some money working from

home'.

Be careful that you don't sound condescending to the health care

professionals who do work from home. The days where transcriptionists learn

on the job at the feet of experienced MTs is gone, like it or not. Any

reference on style can only be a guide ( AAMT BOS included) to help give

some standard to our field. However, there is no set standard. The

standard by which we work is that which comes from the editors and QAs of

the institutions we transcribe for. It would be nice were there one

standard but in truth there are many and any time spent in this profession

will make that evident.

> I for one am very grateful to those before us who have set down some

> standards in medical transcription field. They have worked very hard to

> finally have our voices heard...hyphen or no hyphen.

Yes some people did some very good work laying down a foundation of style

and standards, but even those have changed and been amended over time. Just

let us remember that they are there for reference and are not principles

carved in stone.

> Cheryl, cmt

>

>

>

>

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YES This is not a field for those who want to be bored or serene.

Aliceanne

On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:53:39 -0500 " Kim Randall "

writes:

> Valeria,

>

> Gee, I sure didn't intend to sound like I was " picking nits " in a

> negative

> sense -- I was just throwing in my rationale behind how I consider

> which way

> to go. :-)

>

> As has since been brought out, different guides specify different

> preferences, and we're all left to make those decisions based on

> our

> individual situations. Additionally, for some MTs, the character

> counts on

> which pay is based include only the " printed " characters and not

> the

> spaces -- in that case, the hyphen yields an additional " paid "

> character

> whereas the space does not.

>

> I, too, am an MT instructor ( " taking a break " at the moment). I

> make my

> students aware of the different guides out there so that they will

> be aware

> of the various sources of what they ultimately may be instructed to

> follow,

> or if left to their own preferences, which one to choose for

> themselves.

> They include the AAMT BOS, Fordney & Diehl's Do's and Don'ts, and

> the Gregg

> Reference Manual.

>

> To further clarify, the QA department for the national service

> through which

> I do my transcription has instructed us to use the hyphen for mixed

> fractions, so that would be another factor in my personal decision

> to use

> the hyphen although I agree that using the space bar is an easier

> keystroke

> than is the hyphen.

>

> As I think we can all clearly see from just this one tiny example,

> there are

> numerous factors that go into deciding when, how, and why to do

> what...

> such is the life of an MT and part of what keeps us from getting

> bored, yes?

>

> :-)

>

> Kim R.

>

> Re: Mixed Fractions and Spacing

>

>

> Kim,

>

> That might by why your account requires you to use only keyboard

> characters--they're the only ones that yield an accurate count.

>

> On the other hand, since we're picking nits here, why put in the

> hyphen? The fraction is accurate without it (1 1/2 or 1-1/2--either

> is

> correct), but 1 1/2 is not likely to be read as " one minus one-half "

> and

> for most people, the space bar is an easier keystroke than is the

> hyphen.

>

> Valeria

>

>

>

>

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YES This is not a field for those who want to be bored or serene.

Aliceanne

On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:53:39 -0500 " Kim Randall "

writes:

> Valeria,

>

> Gee, I sure didn't intend to sound like I was " picking nits " in a

> negative

> sense -- I was just throwing in my rationale behind how I consider

> which way

> to go. :-)

>

> As has since been brought out, different guides specify different

> preferences, and we're all left to make those decisions based on

> our

> individual situations. Additionally, for some MTs, the character

> counts on

> which pay is based include only the " printed " characters and not

> the

> spaces -- in that case, the hyphen yields an additional " paid "

> character

> whereas the space does not.

>

> I, too, am an MT instructor ( " taking a break " at the moment). I

> make my

> students aware of the different guides out there so that they will

> be aware

> of the various sources of what they ultimately may be instructed to

> follow,

> or if left to their own preferences, which one to choose for

> themselves.

> They include the AAMT BOS, Fordney & Diehl's Do's and Don'ts, and

> the Gregg

> Reference Manual.

>

> To further clarify, the QA department for the national service

> through which

> I do my transcription has instructed us to use the hyphen for mixed

> fractions, so that would be another factor in my personal decision

> to use

> the hyphen although I agree that using the space bar is an easier

> keystroke

> than is the hyphen.

>

> As I think we can all clearly see from just this one tiny example,

> there are

> numerous factors that go into deciding when, how, and why to do

> what...

> such is the life of an MT and part of what keeps us from getting

> bored, yes?

>

> :-)

>

> Kim R.

>

> Re: Mixed Fractions and Spacing

>

>

> Kim,

>

> That might by why your account requires you to use only keyboard

> characters--they're the only ones that yield an accurate count.

>

> On the other hand, since we're picking nits here, why put in the

> hyphen? The fraction is accurate without it (1 1/2 or 1-1/2--either

> is

> correct), but 1 1/2 is not likely to be read as " one minus one-half "

> and

> for most people, the space bar is an easier keystroke than is the

> hyphen.

>

> Valeria

>

>

>

>

> TO REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THIS MAILING LIST send a blank email to

> nmtc-unsubscribe

>

> PLEASE VISIT THE NMTC WEB SITE - http://go.to/nmtc

>

>

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: While this whole thing seems to be getting a little silly, if the AAMT BOS

: didn't provide some type of standards of style in our field, it would be

up

: for grabs to any " typist " that wanted to 'make some money working from

home'.

: I for one am very grateful to those before us who have set down some

: standards in medical transcription field. They have worked very hard to

: finally have our voices heard...hyphen or no hyphen.

:

: Cheryl, cmt

:

I agree, a set standard of style would be nice. BOS and MT Do's and Don'ts

are the closest things we have to that, and they disagree on things. So

where do you let your final decision fall? I go with BOS, but I also

recognize that there is more than one acceptable way to do most things. The

fact remains that not everyone uses BOS.

I'm not really sure on what you meant by style being up for grabs to any

" typist " that wanted to " make some money working from home " . I know what

that sounded like, but I'll not assume where you were going with that. I

will say that book of style or no book of style, most of us are at the mercy

of whatever the medical records director or transcription director wants

that week, and much of the time that is not correct according to AAMT BOS.

So it doesn't matter to me what the average hard working MT out there

prefers to do, for BOS to be recognized as THE standard we have to get the

big boys to play along...and for now, they don't.

I am extremely grateful that someone took the time and effort to try to

standardize the style and format of medical transcription. The best way

we can support it is to quote it and recommend it. However, we have to also

recognize that not everyone goes by it, and that doesn't make them wrong.

Until we have a style guide that is recognized across the board as the final

word on medical transcription and that is adopted and enforced throughout

the entire medical transcription profession, then we are left with a couple

of great style guides. One is more accepted than the other, neither are the

final word, and we all still have to do what the boss wants.

Trisha

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: While this whole thing seems to be getting a little silly, if the AAMT BOS

: didn't provide some type of standards of style in our field, it would be

up

: for grabs to any " typist " that wanted to 'make some money working from

home'.

: I for one am very grateful to those before us who have set down some

: standards in medical transcription field. They have worked very hard to

: finally have our voices heard...hyphen or no hyphen.

:

: Cheryl, cmt

:

I agree, a set standard of style would be nice. BOS and MT Do's and Don'ts

are the closest things we have to that, and they disagree on things. So

where do you let your final decision fall? I go with BOS, but I also

recognize that there is more than one acceptable way to do most things. The

fact remains that not everyone uses BOS.

I'm not really sure on what you meant by style being up for grabs to any

" typist " that wanted to " make some money working from home " . I know what

that sounded like, but I'll not assume where you were going with that. I

will say that book of style or no book of style, most of us are at the mercy

of whatever the medical records director or transcription director wants

that week, and much of the time that is not correct according to AAMT BOS.

So it doesn't matter to me what the average hard working MT out there

prefers to do, for BOS to be recognized as THE standard we have to get the

big boys to play along...and for now, they don't.

I am extremely grateful that someone took the time and effort to try to

standardize the style and format of medical transcription. The best way

we can support it is to quote it and recommend it. However, we have to also

recognize that not everyone goes by it, and that doesn't make them wrong.

Until we have a style guide that is recognized across the board as the final

word on medical transcription and that is adopted and enforced throughout

the entire medical transcription profession, then we are left with a couple

of great style guides. One is more accepted than the other, neither are the

final word, and we all still have to do what the boss wants.

Trisha

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Along the lines of " there's not one single standard " for medical transcription:

I'm in the office

and I located the other two references I have, in addition to Medical

Transcription Do's and

Don'ts. One is Delmar's Medical Transcription Handbook 2nd Edition (1998) by

le S. Blake,

which doesn't spell out their preferred technique for keying mixed numbers but

on p. 153,

illustrates a mixed fraction WITH the hyphen ( " The condition lasted for 2-1/2

days " ).

The other is Medical Keyboarding, Typing, and Transcribing: Techniques and

Procedures by Marcy O.

Diehl and Marilyn T. Fordney 4th Edition (1997). On p. 113, it states " Note:

Make all fractions on

the keyboard using the whole number, the slash, and the second whole number,

with no spacing. Mixed

fractions are made with a space between the whole number and the first number of

the fraction.

Examples: 1/2 inch 1 1/2 inch (not 1 and 1/2 inch, which the dictator might

say) 1/2-inch

incision (compound modifier). "

Obviously, there are multiple standards.

I am really reluctant to get into the politics of AAMT on this list, as the list

is open to everyone

regardless of his or her decision to support--or not support--a particular

organization. My belief

is that we on this list are all striving to enhance the professionalism of

Medical Transcription, as

evidenced by our desire to help each other, to meet high goals of accuracy,

documention, and

verification, and to discuss issues of interest to Medical Transcriptionists

everywhere. As has

already been mentioned, there are other style preferences that some are held to,

including AMA,

employers' in-house style manuals, and the arbitrary decisions of QA persons who

are using a

reference known only to them ( " The Alpha Centauri Manual of Style for Medical

Transcriptionists in

Remote Corners of the Galaxy " ). Please, let us work together to enhance the

profession and our

respect for each other.

Valeria

T wrote:

> : While this whole thing seems to be getting a little silly, if the AAMT BOS

> : didn't provide some type of standards of style in our field, it would be

> up

> : for grabs to any " typist " that wanted to 'make some money working from

> home'.

> : I for one am very grateful to those before us who have set down some

> : standards in medical transcription field. They have worked very hard to

> : finally have our voices heard...hyphen or no hyphen.

> :

> : Cheryl, cmt

> :

>

> I agree, a set standard of style would be nice. BOS and MT Do's and Don'ts

> are the closest things we have to that, and they disagree on things. So

> where do you let your final decision fall? I go with BOS, but I also

> recognize that there is more than one acceptable way to do most things. The

> fact remains that not everyone uses BOS.

>

> I'm not really sure on what you meant by style being up for grabs to any

> " typist " that wanted to " make some money working from home " . I know what

> that sounded like, but I'll not assume where you were going with that. I

> will say that book of style or no book of style, most of us are at the mercy

> of whatever the medical records director or transcription director wants

> that week, and much of the time that is not correct according to AAMT BOS.

> So it doesn't matter to me what the average hard working MT out there

> prefers to do, for BOS to be recognized as THE standard we have to get the

> big boys to play along...and for now, they don't.

>

> I am extremely grateful that someone took the time and effort to try to

> standardize the style and format of medical transcription. The best way

> we can support it is to quote it and recommend it. However, we have to also

> recognize that not everyone goes by it, and that doesn't make them wrong.

> Until we have a style guide that is recognized across the board as the final

> word on medical transcription and that is adopted and enforced throughout

> the entire medical transcription profession, then we are left with a couple

> of great style guides. One is more accepted than the other, neither are the

> final word, and we all still have to do what the boss wants.

>

> Trisha

>

--

Valeria D. Truitt Phone

Medical Office Administration Fax

Craven Community College Office E-109

New Bern, NC 28562 e-mail vtruitt@...

There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. Anson Heinlein

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Hi folks,

I am enjoying this discussion, despite the bit of politics creeping in.

There are some things in writing which I think can never be resolved, no

matter how many nits we pick <g>. But it's fun to try, and here are my 2

cents worth on this one:

I haven't bothered to figure out how to type reduced size fractions on my

computer. I figure it can't be done on my computer. After all, whenever

somebody else uses them, they appear on my screen as indecipherable

hieroglyphics. I figure that even if I could type them, they will appear

on some other poor soul's screen as indecipherable hieroglyphics, and I

don't want that.

As for writing them out, I prefer the hyphen. To my eyes, it's clearer.

If I wanted x minus y/z, I'd type a space on either side of the minus sign.

But that's just my opinion and not based on any stylebook.

I did go running to my Canadian Press Stylebook (which I DO NOT recommend

unless you want to write for the Canadian media), and although there is

much discussion about when to use numerals and when to write fractions out

as words, there is nothing about how to type the numerals. The examples

they give for other purposes use reduced size fractions and no space.

However, they do offer a quote from the Oxford University Press Stylebook

which perhaps we should all take to heart:

" If you take hyphens seriously, you will surely go mad. "

TTFN

Michele

Kelowna, BC, Canada

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In a message dated 6/16/2001 12:27:17 AM Central Daylight Time,

cadenza@... writes:

> If you take hyphens seriously, you will surely go mad. "

>

> TTFN

> Michele

>

I LOVE THIS... Thanks ..

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In a message dated 6/16/2001 12:27:17 AM Central Daylight Time,

cadenza@... writes:

> If you take hyphens seriously, you will surely go mad. "

>

> TTFN

> Michele

>

I LOVE THIS... Thanks ..

Cheryl, cmt

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