Guest guest Posted March 4, 2001 Report Share Posted March 4, 2001 > Has anyone HAD a hysterectomy and been happy they did? And once removed (this will sound a silly question) do tumors >grow back anywhere else apart from the uterus? Excellent questions, Mandy. Although, " uterine fibroids " would probably assume that most ladies here still have their uterus. Maybe the place to get an answer to that question would be a hystereceomy list, if there is such a thing. Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2001 Report Share Posted March 4, 2001 > Has anyone HAD a hysterectomy and been happy they did? And once removed (this will sound a silly question) do tumors >grow back anywhere else apart from the uterus? Excellent questions, Mandy. Although, " uterine fibroids " would probably assume that most ladies here still have their uterus. Maybe the place to get an answer to that question would be a hystereceomy list, if there is such a thing. Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2001 Report Share Posted March 6, 2001 --- P & M BASS wrote: > Thanks Dawn for the advice - will do some research. > With the tumour question I guess I meant if you have > a hysterectomy and they are all removed obviously, > does having the tendency for fibroids mean you have > the tendency for tumours elsewhere in the body? I > expect I should be asking my doctor when I see him > next! Good luck with your ultrasound - my two > vaginal ones were really easy going. > > Re in Al and Lucy, I would also like to know > about a dye injected test - I've never heard of it?? > definitely find a new doctor you are > comfortable with - you are worth it! > I desperately miss my GP and specialists in New > Jersey - took me awhile to find them but made all > the difference. > > Also like I would like to hear more about > myomectomy and the procedure plus what it is like > afterwards and how often and how large the fibroids > grow back? > > Can anyone tell me, if you are still with the group, > if you have gone through menopause and what > relationship/effect that has had on your fibroids? > I am really thinking about just hanging on till that > time rather than the hysterectomy route. > > It is really great reading and being a part of > everyone's experiences. > > Mandy > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > in reply to the question " What role does menopause play in fibroids? " I learned reading this book that when you go thru menopause, the fibroids shrink and atrophy since menstruation stops. If you are not like me ( loosing too much blood, from fibroids) AND you are close to menopause, yes you can ride it out. A big help would be to read " What your doctor may not tell you about menopause " by Dr. Lee. I couln't ride it out myself due to much bleeding so I had an UAE. -Maggie __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2001 Report Share Posted March 8, 2001 My sister had a hysterectomy as was thrilled afterwards. I am not ready to jump onto the surgery bandwagen just yet, but I've known other people who have also been happy with a hysterecomy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2001 Report Share Posted March 8, 2001 Who? Bonnie Gingthing@... wrote: > My sister had a hysterectomy as was thrilled afterwards. I am not ready to > jump onto the surgery bandwagen just yet, but I've known other people who > have also been happy with a hysterecomy. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2001 Report Share Posted March 8, 2001 Who? Bonnie Gingthing@... wrote: > My sister had a hysterectomy as was thrilled afterwards. I am not ready to > jump onto the surgery bandwagen just yet, but I've known other people who > have also been happy with a hysterecomy. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2001 Report Share Posted March 8, 2001 Gingthing, I also have heard many women say they were happy with the results of their hysterectomy and I believe them. The problem is, there is no way to know which women will have a good result and which won't. Who will have a better quality of life than before and who will rue the day she signed the consent form. For a surgery which has been performed for over 150 years, we know remarkably little about hysterectomy and its effects. Scientists still haven't even located all the nerves in a woman's pelvic area. So doctors can't possibly know just what they will be affecting when they cut. Nor do we have good, broad-based, reliable studies on how women do 10, 15, or 25 years following hysterectomy. Until there is a lot more " science " to the procedure of hysterectomy, I think we are better off avoiding it if reasonably possible. Leonie Finkel Gingthing@aol .com To: uterinefibroids cc: 03/08/01 Subject: Re: Fibroids in Oz 05:23 PM Please respond to uterinefibroi ds My sister had a hysterectomy as was thrilled afterwards. I am not ready to jump onto the surgery bandwagen just yet, but I've known other people who have also been happy with a hysterecomy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2001 Report Share Posted March 8, 2001 Gingthing, I also have heard many women say they were happy with the results of their hysterectomy and I believe them. The problem is, there is no way to know which women will have a good result and which won't. Who will have a better quality of life than before and who will rue the day she signed the consent form. For a surgery which has been performed for over 150 years, we know remarkably little about hysterectomy and its effects. Scientists still haven't even located all the nerves in a woman's pelvic area. So doctors can't possibly know just what they will be affecting when they cut. Nor do we have good, broad-based, reliable studies on how women do 10, 15, or 25 years following hysterectomy. Until there is a lot more " science " to the procedure of hysterectomy, I think we are better off avoiding it if reasonably possible. Leonie Finkel Gingthing@aol .com To: uterinefibroids cc: 03/08/01 Subject: Re: Fibroids in Oz 05:23 PM Please respond to uterinefibroi ds My sister had a hysterectomy as was thrilled afterwards. I am not ready to jump onto the surgery bandwagen just yet, but I've known other people who have also been happy with a hysterecomy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2001 Report Share Posted March 8, 2001 Gingthing, I also have heard many women say they were happy with the results of their hysterectomy and I believe them. The problem is, there is no way to know which women will have a good result and which won't. Who will have a better quality of life than before and who will rue the day she signed the consent form. For a surgery which has been performed for over 150 years, we know remarkably little about hysterectomy and its effects. Scientists still haven't even located all the nerves in a woman's pelvic area. So doctors can't possibly know just what they will be affecting when they cut. Nor do we have good, broad-based, reliable studies on how women do 10, 15, or 25 years following hysterectomy. Until there is a lot more " science " to the procedure of hysterectomy, I think we are better off avoiding it if reasonably possible. Leonie Finkel Gingthing@aol .com To: uterinefibroids cc: 03/08/01 Subject: Re: Fibroids in Oz 05:23 PM Please respond to uterinefibroi ds My sister had a hysterectomy as was thrilled afterwards. I am not ready to jump onto the surgery bandwagen just yet, but I've known other people who have also been happy with a hysterecomy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2001 Report Share Posted March 8, 2001 I'm not the one who sent the original post, and I'd also like to open with the statement that I'm extremely wary of hysterectomy as an option. But, I am also confused by the conflicting information about hysterectomies. Countless individuals, books, and websites speak of all the terrible problems that occur as a result. As a result, I and many other women insist that is an extreme last resort. In some cases, women have relayed their personal tragedies with hysterectomy on this site. However, I've had friends who said getting a hysterectomy was the best thing their mother, sister, etc. ever did. My hair stylist just had one. It's too soon to say how it will work out for her, but she sees countless women everyday as part of her job and she said not a single one of them reported a negative experience to her. Granted, I know this is a customer/provider relationship, but I tell her lots of personal stuff and give her really honest opinions. To me, hair stylists are often like bartenders - they hear it all. You would expect some negative experiences. It doesn't all add up. Either the results of hysterectomy are so varied that there is absolutely no way to tell what will happen to YOU, people's symptoms are so unbearable prior to hysterectomy that any side effects of hysterectomy are preferable, many people presenting opinions have vested interest in siding one way or another (physicians, HRTs, authors), or there is just way too little known. It would be nice if we all had a way to know the facts. Wonder if that day will ever come? Re: Fibroids in Oz Who? Bonnie Gingthing@... wrote: > My sister had a hysterectomy as was thrilled afterwards. I am not ready to > jump onto the surgery bandwagen just yet, but I've known other people who > have also been happy with a hysterecomy. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2001 Report Share Posted March 8, 2001 I have also heard women with hysterectomies to comment on how good they are doing and that it was the best thing they did. It is interesting to note that only in books or here on the net we find women get brave enough to speak up. Maybe it is because we are faceless. It is also interesting that when face to face all women say they feel fine after hysterectomy, are they ashamed of what they are feeling? do they feel incomplete and don't want to admit it? do they suffer in silence? I cannot believe that my friends and my mother's friends and so many other women tell me to go ahead and have the hysterectomy and clean my insides and that I will be fine. It makes me wonder........about who we are and how we women connect to each other and how we see ourselves..... > >Reply-To: uterinefibroids >To: " 'uterinefibroids ' " <uterinefibroids > >Subject: RE: Fibroids in Oz >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:53:10 -0500 > >I'm not the one who sent the original post, and I'd also like to open with >the statement that I'm extremely wary of hysterectomy as an option. But, I >am also confused by the conflicting information about hysterectomies. > >Countless individuals, books, and websites speak of all the terrible >problems that occur as a result. As a result, I and many other women insist >that is an extreme last resort. In some cases, women have relayed their >personal tragedies with hysterectomy on this site. > >However, I've had friends who said getting a hysterectomy was the best >thing >their mother, sister, etc. ever did. My hair stylist just had one. It's >too soon to say how it will work out for her, but she sees countless women >everyday as part of her job and she said not a single one of them reported >a >negative experience to her. Granted, I know this is a customer/provider >relationship, but I tell her lots of personal stuff and give her really >honest opinions. To me, hair stylists are often like bartenders - they >hear >it all. You would expect some negative experiences. > >It doesn't all add up. Either the results of hysterectomy are so varied >that there is absolutely no way to tell what will happen to YOU, people's >symptoms are so unbearable prior to hysterectomy that any side effects of >hysterectomy are preferable, many people presenting opinions have vested >interest in siding one way or another (physicians, HRTs, authors), or there >is just way too little known. > >It would be nice if we all had a way to know the facts. Wonder if that day >will ever come? > > Re: Fibroids in Oz > > >Who? >Bonnie > >Gingthing@... wrote: > > > My sister had a hysterectomy as was thrilled afterwards. I am not ready >to > > jump onto the surgery bandwagen just yet, but I've known other people >who > > have also been happy with a hysterecomy. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2001 Report Share Posted March 8, 2001 I have also heard women with hysterectomies to comment on how good they are doing and that it was the best thing they did. It is interesting to note that only in books or here on the net we find women get brave enough to speak up. Maybe it is because we are faceless. It is also interesting that when face to face all women say they feel fine after hysterectomy, are they ashamed of what they are feeling? do they feel incomplete and don't want to admit it? do they suffer in silence? I cannot believe that my friends and my mother's friends and so many other women tell me to go ahead and have the hysterectomy and clean my insides and that I will be fine. It makes me wonder........about who we are and how we women connect to each other and how we see ourselves..... > >Reply-To: uterinefibroids >To: " 'uterinefibroids ' " <uterinefibroids > >Subject: RE: Fibroids in Oz >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:53:10 -0500 > >I'm not the one who sent the original post, and I'd also like to open with >the statement that I'm extremely wary of hysterectomy as an option. But, I >am also confused by the conflicting information about hysterectomies. > >Countless individuals, books, and websites speak of all the terrible >problems that occur as a result. As a result, I and many other women insist >that is an extreme last resort. In some cases, women have relayed their >personal tragedies with hysterectomy on this site. > >However, I've had friends who said getting a hysterectomy was the best >thing >their mother, sister, etc. ever did. My hair stylist just had one. It's >too soon to say how it will work out for her, but she sees countless women >everyday as part of her job and she said not a single one of them reported >a >negative experience to her. Granted, I know this is a customer/provider >relationship, but I tell her lots of personal stuff and give her really >honest opinions. To me, hair stylists are often like bartenders - they >hear >it all. You would expect some negative experiences. > >It doesn't all add up. Either the results of hysterectomy are so varied >that there is absolutely no way to tell what will happen to YOU, people's >symptoms are so unbearable prior to hysterectomy that any side effects of >hysterectomy are preferable, many people presenting opinions have vested >interest in siding one way or another (physicians, HRTs, authors), or there >is just way too little known. > >It would be nice if we all had a way to know the facts. Wonder if that day >will ever come? > > Re: Fibroids in Oz > > >Who? >Bonnie > >Gingthing@... wrote: > > > My sister had a hysterectomy as was thrilled afterwards. I am not ready >to > > jump onto the surgery bandwagen just yet, but I've known other people >who > > have also been happy with a hysterecomy. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2001 Report Share Posted March 10, 2001 I believe part of the hysterectomy issue is clouded by the propaganda of the past. Hysterectomy was the simple, one stop shop alternative for women. It was also more lucrative for docs. It was what they were taught. Most were men. It is therefore natural that women who have had the procedure done and bought the party line would not be inclined to think about it further. I also respect it as an alternative for truly intractable symptoms and always support hysterectomy as a matter of choice. I remember being referred to a shrink at the age of seventeen because I presented with classic PMS, which every female in my family suffered from. PMS had not been invented by male docs yet. I remember when my sons were born, it was the circumcision pendulum...yes it's good, no it isn't, yesitis. Maybe I don't like the etiology of the word...hysteria, a feminine sexist word, leveled at minimizing the suffering and emotions of women. Believe me, I am not a radical feminist. I am a fed up single mom, ex-nurse, been there done that, and annoyed with the lack of clarity. I realize that medicine at it's best is dynamic or should be, but there are many factors which stagnate that dynamism. gg dulce r wrote: > I have also heard women with hysterectomies to comment on how good they are > doing and that it was the best thing they did. It is interesting to note > that only in books or here on the net we find women get brave enough to > speak up. Maybe it is because we are faceless. It is also interesting that > when face to face all women say they feel fine after hysterectomy, are they > ashamed of what they are feeling? do they feel incomplete and don't want to > admit it? do they suffer in silence? I cannot believe that my friends and my > mother's friends and so many other women tell me to go ahead and have the > hysterectomy and clean my insides and that I will be fine. It makes me > wonder........about who we are and how we women connect to each other and > how we see ourselves..... > > > > >Reply-To: uterinefibroids > >To: " 'uterinefibroids ' " <uterinefibroids > > >Subject: RE: Fibroids in Oz > >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:53:10 -0500 > > > >I'm not the one who sent the original post, and I'd also like to open with > >the statement that I'm extremely wary of hysterectomy as an option. But, I > >am also confused by the conflicting information about hysterectomies. > > > >Countless individuals, books, and websites speak of all the terrible > >problems that occur as a result. As a result, I and many other women insist > >that is an extreme last resort. In some cases, women have relayed their > >personal tragedies with hysterectomy on this site. > > > >However, I've had friends who said getting a hysterectomy was the best > >thing > >their mother, sister, etc. ever did. My hair stylist just had one. It's > >too soon to say how it will work out for her, but she sees countless women > >everyday as part of her job and she said not a single one of them reported > >a > >negative experience to her. Granted, I know this is a customer/provider > >relationship, but I tell her lots of personal stuff and give her really > >honest opinions. To me, hair stylists are often like bartenders - they > >hear > >it all. You would expect some negative experiences. > > > >It doesn't all add up. Either the results of hysterectomy are so varied > >that there is absolutely no way to tell what will happen to YOU, people's > >symptoms are so unbearable prior to hysterectomy that any side effects of > >hysterectomy are preferable, many people presenting opinions have vested > >interest in siding one way or another (physicians, HRTs, authors), or there > >is just way too little known. > > > >It would be nice if we all had a way to know the facts. Wonder if that day > >will ever come? > > > > Re: Fibroids in Oz > > > > > >Who? > >Bonnie > > > >Gingthing@... wrote: > > > > > My sister had a hysterectomy as was thrilled afterwards. I am not ready > >to > > > jump onto the surgery bandwagen just yet, but I've known other people > >who > > > have also been happy with a hysterecomy. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2001 Report Share Posted March 10, 2001 I believe part of the hysterectomy issue is clouded by the propaganda of the past. Hysterectomy was the simple, one stop shop alternative for women. It was also more lucrative for docs. It was what they were taught. Most were men. It is therefore natural that women who have had the procedure done and bought the party line would not be inclined to think about it further. I also respect it as an alternative for truly intractable symptoms and always support hysterectomy as a matter of choice. I remember being referred to a shrink at the age of seventeen because I presented with classic PMS, which every female in my family suffered from. PMS had not been invented by male docs yet. I remember when my sons were born, it was the circumcision pendulum...yes it's good, no it isn't, yesitis. Maybe I don't like the etiology of the word...hysteria, a feminine sexist word, leveled at minimizing the suffering and emotions of women. Believe me, I am not a radical feminist. I am a fed up single mom, ex-nurse, been there done that, and annoyed with the lack of clarity. I realize that medicine at it's best is dynamic or should be, but there are many factors which stagnate that dynamism. gg dulce r wrote: > I have also heard women with hysterectomies to comment on how good they are > doing and that it was the best thing they did. It is interesting to note > that only in books or here on the net we find women get brave enough to > speak up. Maybe it is because we are faceless. It is also interesting that > when face to face all women say they feel fine after hysterectomy, are they > ashamed of what they are feeling? do they feel incomplete and don't want to > admit it? do they suffer in silence? I cannot believe that my friends and my > mother's friends and so many other women tell me to go ahead and have the > hysterectomy and clean my insides and that I will be fine. It makes me > wonder........about who we are and how we women connect to each other and > how we see ourselves..... > > > > >Reply-To: uterinefibroids > >To: " 'uterinefibroids ' " <uterinefibroids > > >Subject: RE: Fibroids in Oz > >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:53:10 -0500 > > > >I'm not the one who sent the original post, and I'd also like to open with > >the statement that I'm extremely wary of hysterectomy as an option. But, I > >am also confused by the conflicting information about hysterectomies. > > > >Countless individuals, books, and websites speak of all the terrible > >problems that occur as a result. As a result, I and many other women insist > >that is an extreme last resort. In some cases, women have relayed their > >personal tragedies with hysterectomy on this site. > > > >However, I've had friends who said getting a hysterectomy was the best > >thing > >their mother, sister, etc. ever did. My hair stylist just had one. It's > >too soon to say how it will work out for her, but she sees countless women > >everyday as part of her job and she said not a single one of them reported > >a > >negative experience to her. Granted, I know this is a customer/provider > >relationship, but I tell her lots of personal stuff and give her really > >honest opinions. To me, hair stylists are often like bartenders - they > >hear > >it all. You would expect some negative experiences. > > > >It doesn't all add up. Either the results of hysterectomy are so varied > >that there is absolutely no way to tell what will happen to YOU, people's > >symptoms are so unbearable prior to hysterectomy that any side effects of > >hysterectomy are preferable, many people presenting opinions have vested > >interest in siding one way or another (physicians, HRTs, authors), or there > >is just way too little known. > > > >It would be nice if we all had a way to know the facts. Wonder if that day > >will ever come? > > > > Re: Fibroids in Oz > > > > > >Who? > >Bonnie > > > >Gingthing@... wrote: > > > > > My sister had a hysterectomy as was thrilled afterwards. I am not ready > >to > > > jump onto the surgery bandwagen just yet, but I've known other people > >who > > > have also been happy with a hysterecomy. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2001 Report Share Posted March 10, 2001 I believe part of the hysterectomy issue is clouded by the propaganda of the past. Hysterectomy was the simple, one stop shop alternative for women. It was also more lucrative for docs. It was what they were taught. Most were men. It is therefore natural that women who have had the procedure done and bought the party line would not be inclined to think about it further. I also respect it as an alternative for truly intractable symptoms and always support hysterectomy as a matter of choice. I remember being referred to a shrink at the age of seventeen because I presented with classic PMS, which every female in my family suffered from. PMS had not been invented by male docs yet. I remember when my sons were born, it was the circumcision pendulum...yes it's good, no it isn't, yesitis. Maybe I don't like the etiology of the word...hysteria, a feminine sexist word, leveled at minimizing the suffering and emotions of women. Believe me, I am not a radical feminist. I am a fed up single mom, ex-nurse, been there done that, and annoyed with the lack of clarity. I realize that medicine at it's best is dynamic or should be, but there are many factors which stagnate that dynamism. gg dulce r wrote: > I have also heard women with hysterectomies to comment on how good they are > doing and that it was the best thing they did. It is interesting to note > that only in books or here on the net we find women get brave enough to > speak up. Maybe it is because we are faceless. It is also interesting that > when face to face all women say they feel fine after hysterectomy, are they > ashamed of what they are feeling? do they feel incomplete and don't want to > admit it? do they suffer in silence? I cannot believe that my friends and my > mother's friends and so many other women tell me to go ahead and have the > hysterectomy and clean my insides and that I will be fine. It makes me > wonder........about who we are and how we women connect to each other and > how we see ourselves..... > > > > >Reply-To: uterinefibroids > >To: " 'uterinefibroids ' " <uterinefibroids > > >Subject: RE: Fibroids in Oz > >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:53:10 -0500 > > > >I'm not the one who sent the original post, and I'd also like to open with > >the statement that I'm extremely wary of hysterectomy as an option. But, I > >am also confused by the conflicting information about hysterectomies. > > > >Countless individuals, books, and websites speak of all the terrible > >problems that occur as a result. As a result, I and many other women insist > >that is an extreme last resort. In some cases, women have relayed their > >personal tragedies with hysterectomy on this site. > > > >However, I've had friends who said getting a hysterectomy was the best > >thing > >their mother, sister, etc. ever did. My hair stylist just had one. It's > >too soon to say how it will work out for her, but she sees countless women > >everyday as part of her job and she said not a single one of them reported > >a > >negative experience to her. Granted, I know this is a customer/provider > >relationship, but I tell her lots of personal stuff and give her really > >honest opinions. To me, hair stylists are often like bartenders - they > >hear > >it all. You would expect some negative experiences. > > > >It doesn't all add up. Either the results of hysterectomy are so varied > >that there is absolutely no way to tell what will happen to YOU, people's > >symptoms are so unbearable prior to hysterectomy that any side effects of > >hysterectomy are preferable, many people presenting opinions have vested > >interest in siding one way or another (physicians, HRTs, authors), or there > >is just way too little known. > > > >It would be nice if we all had a way to know the facts. Wonder if that day > >will ever come? > > > > Re: Fibroids in Oz > > > > > >Who? > >Bonnie > > > >Gingthing@... wrote: > > > > > My sister had a hysterectomy as was thrilled afterwards. I am not ready > >to > > > jump onto the surgery bandwagen just yet, but I've known other people > >who > > > have also been happy with a hysterecomy. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2001 Report Share Posted March 10, 2001 I believe part of the hysterectomy issue is clouded by the propaganda of the past. Hysterectomy was the simple, one stop shop alternative for women. It was also more lucrative for docs. It was what they were taught. Most were men. It is therefore natural that women who have had the procedure done and bought the party line would not be inclined to think about it further. I also respect it as an alternative for truly intractable symptoms and always support hysterectomy as a matter of choice. I remember being referred to a shrink at the age of seventeen because I presented with classic PMS, which every female in my family suffered from. PMS had not been invented by male docs yet. I remember when my sons were born, it was the circumcision pendulum...yes it's good, no it isn't, yesitis. Maybe I don't like the etiology of the word...hysteria, a feminine sexist word, leveled at minimizing the suffering and emotions of women. Believe me, I am not a radical feminist. I am a fed up single mom, ex-nurse, been there done that, and annoyed with the lack of clarity. I realize that medicine at it's best is dynamic or should be, but there are many factors which stagnate that dynamism. gg dulce r wrote: > I have also heard women with hysterectomies to comment on how good they are > doing and that it was the best thing they did. It is interesting to note > that only in books or here on the net we find women get brave enough to > speak up. Maybe it is because we are faceless. It is also interesting that > when face to face all women say they feel fine after hysterectomy, are they > ashamed of what they are feeling? do they feel incomplete and don't want to > admit it? do they suffer in silence? I cannot believe that my friends and my > mother's friends and so many other women tell me to go ahead and have the > hysterectomy and clean my insides and that I will be fine. It makes me > wonder........about who we are and how we women connect to each other and > how we see ourselves..... > > > > >Reply-To: uterinefibroids > >To: " 'uterinefibroids ' " <uterinefibroids > > >Subject: RE: Fibroids in Oz > >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:53:10 -0500 > > > >I'm not the one who sent the original post, and I'd also like to open with > >the statement that I'm extremely wary of hysterectomy as an option. But, I > >am also confused by the conflicting information about hysterectomies. > > > >Countless individuals, books, and websites speak of all the terrible > >problems that occur as a result. As a result, I and many other women insist > >that is an extreme last resort. In some cases, women have relayed their > >personal tragedies with hysterectomy on this site. > > > >However, I've had friends who said getting a hysterectomy was the best > >thing > >their mother, sister, etc. ever did. My hair stylist just had one. It's > >too soon to say how it will work out for her, but she sees countless women > >everyday as part of her job and she said not a single one of them reported > >a > >negative experience to her. Granted, I know this is a customer/provider > >relationship, but I tell her lots of personal stuff and give her really > >honest opinions. To me, hair stylists are often like bartenders - they > >hear > >it all. You would expect some negative experiences. > > > >It doesn't all add up. Either the results of hysterectomy are so varied > >that there is absolutely no way to tell what will happen to YOU, people's > >symptoms are so unbearable prior to hysterectomy that any side effects of > >hysterectomy are preferable, many people presenting opinions have vested > >interest in siding one way or another (physicians, HRTs, authors), or there > >is just way too little known. > > > >It would be nice if we all had a way to know the facts. Wonder if that day > >will ever come? > > > > Re: Fibroids in Oz > > > > > >Who? > >Bonnie > > > >Gingthing@... wrote: > > > > > My sister had a hysterectomy as was thrilled afterwards. I am not ready > >to > > > jump onto the surgery bandwagen just yet, but I've known other people > >who > > > have also been happy with a hysterecomy. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2001 Report Share Posted March 11, 2001 yes the dynamics which stagnate medicine's dynamism are usually money, inconsideration of women and lack of respect for us. Male society, male medical society, same thing. Until we women come together and demand our rights we will be treated as lazy, crazy, sexual objects, old bags, not as what we are....complete, complex human beings being taken for granted. > >Reply-To: uterinefibroids >To: uterinefibroids >Subject: Re: Fibroids in Oz >Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:01:11 -0800 > >I believe part of the hysterectomy issue is clouded by the propaganda of >the past. Hysterectomy was >the simple, one stop shop alternative for women. It was also more >lucrative for docs. It was what >they were taught. Most were men. It is therefore natural that women who >have had the procedure done >and bought the party line would not be inclined to think about it >further. I also respect it as an >alternative for truly intractable symptoms and always support >hysterectomy as a matter of choice. I >remember being referred to a shrink at the age of seventeen because I >presented with classic PMS, >which every female in my family suffered from. PMS had not been invented >by male docs yet. I remember >when my sons were born, it was the circumcision pendulum...yes it's >good, no it isn't, yesitis. Maybe >I don't like the etiology of the word...hysteria, a feminine sexist >word, leveled at minimizing the >suffering and emotions of women. Believe me, I am not a radical >feminist. I am a fed up single mom, >ex-nurse, been there done that, and annoyed with the lack of clarity. I >realize that medicine at it's >best is dynamic or should be, but there are many factors which stagnate >that dynamism. gg > >dulce r wrote: > > > I have also heard women with hysterectomies to comment on how good they >are > > doing and that it was the best thing they did. It is interesting to note > > that only in books or here on the net we find women get brave enough to > > speak up. Maybe it is because we are faceless. It is also interesting >that > > when face to face all women say they feel fine after hysterectomy, are >they > > ashamed of what they are feeling? do they feel incomplete and don't want >to > > admit it? do they suffer in silence? I cannot believe that my friends >and my > > mother's friends and so many other women tell me to go ahead and have >the > > hysterectomy and clean my insides and that I will be fine. It makes me > > wonder........about who we are and how we women connect to each other >and > > how we see ourselves..... > > > > > > > >Reply-To: uterinefibroids > > >To: " 'uterinefibroids ' " ><uterinefibroids > > > >Subject: RE: Fibroids in Oz > > >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:53:10 -0500 > > > > > >I'm not the one who sent the original post, and I'd also like to open >with > > >the statement that I'm extremely wary of hysterectomy as an option. >But, I > > >am also confused by the conflicting information about hysterectomies. > > > > > >Countless individuals, books, and websites speak of all the terrible > > >problems that occur as a result. As a result, I and many other women >insist > > >that is an extreme last resort. In some cases, women have relayed their > > >personal tragedies with hysterectomy on this site. > > > > > >However, I've had friends who said getting a hysterectomy was the best > > >thing > > >their mother, sister, etc. ever did. My hair stylist just had one. >It's > > >too soon to say how it will work out for her, but she sees countless >women > > >everyday as part of her job and she said not a single one of them >reported > > >a > > >negative experience to her. Granted, I know this is a >customer/provider > > >relationship, but I tell her lots of personal stuff and give her really > > >honest opinions. To me, hair stylists are often like bartenders - they > > >hear > > >it all. You would expect some negative experiences. > > > > > >It doesn't all add up. Either the results of hysterectomy are so >varied > > >that there is absolutely no way to tell what will happen to YOU, >people's > > >symptoms are so unbearable prior to hysterectomy that any side effects >of > > >hysterectomy are preferable, many people presenting opinions have >vested > > >interest in siding one way or another (physicians, HRTs, authors), or >there > > >is just way too little known. > > > > > >It would be nice if we all had a way to know the facts. Wonder if that >day > > >will ever come? > > > > > > Re: Fibroids in Oz > > > > > > > > >Who? > > >Bonnie > > > > > >Gingthing@... wrote: > > > > > > > My sister had a hysterectomy as was thrilled afterwards. I am not >ready > > >to > > > > jump onto the surgery bandwagen just yet, but I've known other >people > > >who > > > > have also been happy with a hysterecomy. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2001 Report Share Posted March 11, 2001 yes the dynamics which stagnate medicine's dynamism are usually money, inconsideration of women and lack of respect for us. Male society, male medical society, same thing. Until we women come together and demand our rights we will be treated as lazy, crazy, sexual objects, old bags, not as what we are....complete, complex human beings being taken for granted. > >Reply-To: uterinefibroids >To: uterinefibroids >Subject: Re: Fibroids in Oz >Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:01:11 -0800 > >I believe part of the hysterectomy issue is clouded by the propaganda of >the past. Hysterectomy was >the simple, one stop shop alternative for women. It was also more >lucrative for docs. It was what >they were taught. Most were men. It is therefore natural that women who >have had the procedure done >and bought the party line would not be inclined to think about it >further. I also respect it as an >alternative for truly intractable symptoms and always support >hysterectomy as a matter of choice. I >remember being referred to a shrink at the age of seventeen because I >presented with classic PMS, >which every female in my family suffered from. PMS had not been invented >by male docs yet. I remember >when my sons were born, it was the circumcision pendulum...yes it's >good, no it isn't, yesitis. Maybe >I don't like the etiology of the word...hysteria, a feminine sexist >word, leveled at minimizing the >suffering and emotions of women. Believe me, I am not a radical >feminist. I am a fed up single mom, >ex-nurse, been there done that, and annoyed with the lack of clarity. I >realize that medicine at it's >best is dynamic or should be, but there are many factors which stagnate >that dynamism. gg > >dulce r wrote: > > > I have also heard women with hysterectomies to comment on how good they >are > > doing and that it was the best thing they did. It is interesting to note > > that only in books or here on the net we find women get brave enough to > > speak up. Maybe it is because we are faceless. It is also interesting >that > > when face to face all women say they feel fine after hysterectomy, are >they > > ashamed of what they are feeling? do they feel incomplete and don't want >to > > admit it? do they suffer in silence? I cannot believe that my friends >and my > > mother's friends and so many other women tell me to go ahead and have >the > > hysterectomy and clean my insides and that I will be fine. It makes me > > wonder........about who we are and how we women connect to each other >and > > how we see ourselves..... > > > > > > > >Reply-To: uterinefibroids > > >To: " 'uterinefibroids ' " ><uterinefibroids > > > >Subject: RE: Fibroids in Oz > > >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:53:10 -0500 > > > > > >I'm not the one who sent the original post, and I'd also like to open >with > > >the statement that I'm extremely wary of hysterectomy as an option. >But, I > > >am also confused by the conflicting information about hysterectomies. > > > > > >Countless individuals, books, and websites speak of all the terrible > > >problems that occur as a result. As a result, I and many other women >insist > > >that is an extreme last resort. In some cases, women have relayed their > > >personal tragedies with hysterectomy on this site. > > > > > >However, I've had friends who said getting a hysterectomy was the best > > >thing > > >their mother, sister, etc. ever did. My hair stylist just had one. >It's > > >too soon to say how it will work out for her, but she sees countless >women > > >everyday as part of her job and she said not a single one of them >reported > > >a > > >negative experience to her. Granted, I know this is a >customer/provider > > >relationship, but I tell her lots of personal stuff and give her really > > >honest opinions. To me, hair stylists are often like bartenders - they > > >hear > > >it all. You would expect some negative experiences. > > > > > >It doesn't all add up. Either the results of hysterectomy are so >varied > > >that there is absolutely no way to tell what will happen to YOU, >people's > > >symptoms are so unbearable prior to hysterectomy that any side effects >of > > >hysterectomy are preferable, many people presenting opinions have >vested > > >interest in siding one way or another (physicians, HRTs, authors), or >there > > >is just way too little known. > > > > > >It would be nice if we all had a way to know the facts. Wonder if that >day > > >will ever come? > > > > > > Re: Fibroids in Oz > > > > > > > > >Who? > > >Bonnie > > > > > >Gingthing@... wrote: > > > > > > > My sister had a hysterectomy as was thrilled afterwards. I am not >ready > > >to > > > > jump onto the surgery bandwagen just yet, but I've known other >people > > >who > > > > have also been happy with a hysterecomy. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2001 Report Share Posted March 11, 2001 yes the dynamics which stagnate medicine's dynamism are usually money, inconsideration of women and lack of respect for us. Male society, male medical society, same thing. Until we women come together and demand our rights we will be treated as lazy, crazy, sexual objects, old bags, not as what we are....complete, complex human beings being taken for granted. > >Reply-To: uterinefibroids >To: uterinefibroids >Subject: Re: Fibroids in Oz >Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:01:11 -0800 > >I believe part of the hysterectomy issue is clouded by the propaganda of >the past. Hysterectomy was >the simple, one stop shop alternative for women. It was also more >lucrative for docs. It was what >they were taught. Most were men. It is therefore natural that women who >have had the procedure done >and bought the party line would not be inclined to think about it >further. I also respect it as an >alternative for truly intractable symptoms and always support >hysterectomy as a matter of choice. I >remember being referred to a shrink at the age of seventeen because I >presented with classic PMS, >which every female in my family suffered from. PMS had not been invented >by male docs yet. I remember >when my sons were born, it was the circumcision pendulum...yes it's >good, no it isn't, yesitis. Maybe >I don't like the etiology of the word...hysteria, a feminine sexist >word, leveled at minimizing the >suffering and emotions of women. Believe me, I am not a radical >feminist. I am a fed up single mom, >ex-nurse, been there done that, and annoyed with the lack of clarity. I >realize that medicine at it's >best is dynamic or should be, but there are many factors which stagnate >that dynamism. gg > >dulce r wrote: > > > I have also heard women with hysterectomies to comment on how good they >are > > doing and that it was the best thing they did. It is interesting to note > > that only in books or here on the net we find women get brave enough to > > speak up. Maybe it is because we are faceless. It is also interesting >that > > when face to face all women say they feel fine after hysterectomy, are >they > > ashamed of what they are feeling? do they feel incomplete and don't want >to > > admit it? do they suffer in silence? I cannot believe that my friends >and my > > mother's friends and so many other women tell me to go ahead and have >the > > hysterectomy and clean my insides and that I will be fine. It makes me > > wonder........about who we are and how we women connect to each other >and > > how we see ourselves..... > > > > > > > >Reply-To: uterinefibroids > > >To: " 'uterinefibroids ' " ><uterinefibroids > > > >Subject: RE: Fibroids in Oz > > >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:53:10 -0500 > > > > > >I'm not the one who sent the original post, and I'd also like to open >with > > >the statement that I'm extremely wary of hysterectomy as an option. >But, I > > >am also confused by the conflicting information about hysterectomies. > > > > > >Countless individuals, books, and websites speak of all the terrible > > >problems that occur as a result. As a result, I and many other women >insist > > >that is an extreme last resort. In some cases, women have relayed their > > >personal tragedies with hysterectomy on this site. > > > > > >However, I've had friends who said getting a hysterectomy was the best > > >thing > > >their mother, sister, etc. ever did. My hair stylist just had one. >It's > > >too soon to say how it will work out for her, but she sees countless >women > > >everyday as part of her job and she said not a single one of them >reported > > >a > > >negative experience to her. Granted, I know this is a >customer/provider > > >relationship, but I tell her lots of personal stuff and give her really > > >honest opinions. To me, hair stylists are often like bartenders - they > > >hear > > >it all. You would expect some negative experiences. > > > > > >It doesn't all add up. Either the results of hysterectomy are so >varied > > >that there is absolutely no way to tell what will happen to YOU, >people's > > >symptoms are so unbearable prior to hysterectomy that any side effects >of > > >hysterectomy are preferable, many people presenting opinions have >vested > > >interest in siding one way or another (physicians, HRTs, authors), or >there > > >is just way too little known. > > > > > >It would be nice if we all had a way to know the facts. Wonder if that >day > > >will ever come? > > > > > > Re: Fibroids in Oz > > > > > > > > >Who? > > >Bonnie > > > > > >Gingthing@... wrote: > > > > > > > My sister had a hysterectomy as was thrilled afterwards. I am not >ready > > >to > > > > jump onto the surgery bandwagen just yet, but I've known other >people > > >who > > > > have also been happy with a hysterecomy. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2001 Report Share Posted March 11, 2001 Maybe a lot /most of them who say they feel fine do feel fine! I don't think I personally would feel fine, but that could be because of my mental/emotional attitude. Subject: RE: Fibroids in Oz I have also heard women with hysterectomies to comment on how good they are doing and that it was the best thing they did. It is interesting to note that only in books or here on the net we find women get brave enough to speak up. Maybe it is because we are faceless. It is also interesting that when face to face all women say they feel fine after hysterectomy, are they ashamed of what they are feeling? do they feel incomplete and don't want to admit it? do they suffer in silence? I cannot believe that my friends and my mother's friends and so many other women tell me to go ahead and have the hysterectomy and clean my insides and that I will be fine. It makes me wonder........about who we are and how we women connect to each other and how we see ourselves..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2001 Report Share Posted March 11, 2001 Maybe a lot /most of them who say they feel fine do feel fine! I don't think I personally would feel fine, but that could be because of my mental/emotional attitude. Subject: RE: Fibroids in Oz I have also heard women with hysterectomies to comment on how good they are doing and that it was the best thing they did. It is interesting to note that only in books or here on the net we find women get brave enough to speak up. Maybe it is because we are faceless. It is also interesting that when face to face all women say they feel fine after hysterectomy, are they ashamed of what they are feeling? do they feel incomplete and don't want to admit it? do they suffer in silence? I cannot believe that my friends and my mother's friends and so many other women tell me to go ahead and have the hysterectomy and clean my insides and that I will be fine. It makes me wonder........about who we are and how we women connect to each other and how we see ourselves..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2001 Report Share Posted March 12, 2001 I love that phrase, " clean out your insides. " As if our insides were just there for baby-making and now they are useless. A larger metaphor for how Western Society sees older women. A phrase from my mother's generation. She used to say a women's role was to keep your tongue behind your teeth. Don't make waves. Don't speak your mind. Ha! gg cailleach wrote: > Maybe a lot /most of them who say they feel fine do feel fine! > > I don't think I personally would feel fine, but that could be because of my mental/emotional attitude. > > > Subject: RE: Fibroids in Oz > > I have also heard women with hysterectomies to comment on how good they are > doing and that it was the best thing they did. It is interesting to note > that only in books or here on the net we find women get brave enough to > speak up. Maybe it is because we are faceless. It is also interesting that > when face to face all women say they feel fine after hysterectomy, are they > ashamed of what they are feeling? do they feel incomplete and don't want to > admit it? do they suffer in silence? I cannot believe that my friends and my > mother's friends and so many other women tell me to go ahead and have the > hysterectomy and clean my insides and that I will be fine. It makes me > wonder........about who we are and how we women connect to each other and > how we see ourselves..... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2001 Report Share Posted March 12, 2001 I love that phrase, " clean out your insides. " As if our insides were just there for baby-making and now they are useless. A larger metaphor for how Western Society sees older women. A phrase from my mother's generation. She used to say a women's role was to keep your tongue behind your teeth. Don't make waves. Don't speak your mind. Ha! gg cailleach wrote: > Maybe a lot /most of them who say they feel fine do feel fine! > > I don't think I personally would feel fine, but that could be because of my mental/emotional attitude. > > > Subject: RE: Fibroids in Oz > > I have also heard women with hysterectomies to comment on how good they are > doing and that it was the best thing they did. It is interesting to note > that only in books or here on the net we find women get brave enough to > speak up. Maybe it is because we are faceless. It is also interesting that > when face to face all women say they feel fine after hysterectomy, are they > ashamed of what they are feeling? do they feel incomplete and don't want to > admit it? do they suffer in silence? I cannot believe that my friends and my > mother's friends and so many other women tell me to go ahead and have the > hysterectomy and clean my insides and that I will be fine. It makes me > wonder........about who we are and how we women connect to each other and > how we see ourselves..... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2001 Report Share Posted March 12, 2001 Yes, that's the point....that attitude of silence comes from ignorance, because ignorance generates fear and fear makes us silent or complacent with the status quo. We must make waves, BIG ones...... . > >Reply-To: uterinefibroids >To: uterinefibroids >Subject: Re: RE: Fibroids in Oz >Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:04:23 -0800 > >I love that phrase, " clean out your insides. " As if our insides were just >there for baby-making and now >they are useless. A larger metaphor for how Western Society sees older >women. A phrase from my mother's >generation. She used to say a women's role was to keep your tongue behind >your teeth. Don't make waves. >Don't speak your mind. Ha! gg > >cailleach wrote: > > > Maybe a lot /most of them who say they feel fine do feel fine! > > > > I don't think I personally would feel fine, but that could be because of >my mental/emotional attitude. > > > > > > Subject: RE: Fibroids in Oz > > > > I have also heard women with hysterectomies to comment on how good they >are > > doing and that it was the best thing they did. It is interesting to note > > that only in books or here on the net we find women get brave enough to > > speak up. Maybe it is because we are faceless. It is also interesting >that > > when face to face all women say they feel fine after hysterectomy, are >they > > ashamed of what they are feeling? do they feel incomplete and don't want >to > > admit it? do they suffer in silence? I cannot believe that my friends >and my > > mother's friends and so many other women tell me to go ahead and have >the > > hysterectomy and clean my insides and that I will be fine. It makes me > > wonder........about who we are and how we women connect to each other >and > > how we see ourselves..... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2001 Report Share Posted March 12, 2001 tsunamis. lol. there's nothing to lose, especially if these things are at all envionmentally related. gg. dulce r wrote: > Yes, that's the point....that attitude of silence comes from ignorance, > because ignorance generates fear and fear makes us silent or complacent with > the status quo. We must make waves, BIG ones...... > . > > > > >Reply-To: uterinefibroids > >To: uterinefibroids > >Subject: Re: RE: Fibroids in Oz > >Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:04:23 -0800 > > > >I love that phrase, " clean out your insides. " As if our insides were just > >there for baby-making and now > >they are useless. A larger metaphor for how Western Society sees older > >women. A phrase from my mother's > >generation. She used to say a women's role was to keep your tongue behind > >your teeth. Don't make waves. > >Don't speak your mind. Ha! gg > > > >cailleach wrote: > > > > > Maybe a lot /most of them who say they feel fine do feel fine! > > > > > > I don't think I personally would feel fine, but that could be because of > >my mental/emotional attitude. > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Fibroids in Oz > > > > > > I have also heard women with hysterectomies to comment on how good they > >are > > > doing and that it was the best thing they did. It is interesting to note > > > that only in books or here on the net we find women get brave enough to > > > speak up. Maybe it is because we are faceless. It is also interesting > >that > > > when face to face all women say they feel fine after hysterectomy, are > >they > > > ashamed of what they are feeling? do they feel incomplete and don't want > >to > > > admit it? do they suffer in silence? I cannot believe that my friends > >and my > > > mother's friends and so many other women tell me to go ahead and have > >the > > > hysterectomy and clean my insides and that I will be fine. It makes me > > > wonder........about who we are and how we women connect to each other > >and > > > how we see ourselves..... > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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