RE: Holistic or Homeopathic Dietitian

[Guest guest]

,

If you belong to ADA, you can join NCC (Nutrition in Complementary Care)

DPG. Also, probably THE best school for holistic studies would be Bastyr

University in Washington State. One of my interns this year actually

graduated from there, so I'm excited to learn more about her program!

Here is Bastyr's website: http://www.bastyr.edu/. I also am speaking to

a potential coaching client next week who is currently going there for

her ND.

Here are some great resources to check into:

FMU tapes are GREAT! I have subscribed to them for over 5 years, now,

and am currently with the same group of 3 RDs for the third year, now (I

think 3 years?? Jan??). For info; http://www.jeffreybland.com/. While ON

that site, check out the lecture Dr. Bland has from UTube. Dr. Bland

spoke at FNCE one year with Ruth DeBusk. In fact, Ruth has two books out

on genetics and nutrition. One through ADA and one for the public. I

have the one through ADA.... lol; I need to get the one for the public!

The National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM)

through the NIH is an excellent resource, also. Link is

http://nccam.nih.gov/. Not only do they have great handouts on a wide

variety of alternative/complementary topics, but they have two

newsletters: An online newsletter and a hard copy. Plus, they have GREAT

videos of their NIH seminars!

The IFM (http://www.functionalmedicine.org) offers not only a link to

try to find MD's who specialize in functional medicine (which can be a

good way to find a doc to CONSULT for when you're ready), but also has a

wide variety of resources. I will say you get the good/excellent with

the questionable. But it's worth being aware of.

Although I have MANY more resources, the final one I'll share is the

American Botanical Council (http://abc.herbalgram.org/site/PageServer).

The ABC has an excellent publication called HerbalGram. It addresses the

herbal industry in a way no other publication does and they have great

resources.

It's just a matter of reading, attending seminars and finding

like-minded people to share and bounce ideas off of, . I totally

believe that functional nutrition/complementary care is the future of

our profession, and integrating it with our science-based background is

an excellent combination.

Margie

Marjorie Geiser, RD, NSCA-CPT

Author of " Just Jump: The No-Fear Business Start-up Guide for Health and Fitness

Professionals "

http://www.californiabasedpublishing.com

http://www.meg-enterprises.com

cindy hudson wrote:

>

> Are any of you holistic or homeopathic dietitians? I would love to

> find out more information on studying and teaching the more natural

> approach to nutrition. If you know of any online teaching or schools,

> please let me know!

> Thanks

>

> Hudson MS,RD,LD

>

> Chapter Leader of ICAN of , MS

>

> Many Women

>

> Many Visions

>

> One Scar

>

> One Purpose

>

> www.ican-online.org

>

> www.icanofjacksonms.blogspot.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, thank you, thank you!  I have been seeing more patients who are into

alternative/complementary medicine and am glad to see that it is being

integrated into our profession.

Also, my best friend passed away in March from lung cancer.  She was working on

her second master's degree in TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine).  Although she

underwent chemo and radiation before she passed, she was also using

complementary and alternative treatment options.  Although I didn't believe in

everything she believed in (ancient tradition vs. science-based), I certainly

had a respect for her beliefs and found it quite interesting.  

I have really been interested in learning more about this and how to integrate

it into western medicine.  I will definitely be looking into some of these

resources to learn more.  This is so helpful.  Thank you!

RD, LD

>

> Are any of you holistic or homeopathic dietitians? I would love to

> find out more information on studying and teaching the more natural

> approach to nutrition. If you know of any online teaching or schools,

> please let me know!

> Thanks

>

> Hudson MS,RD,LD

>

> Chapter Leader of ICAN of , MS

>

> Many Women

>

> Many Visions

>

> One Scar

>

> One Purpose

>

> www.ican-online. org

>

> www.icanofjacksonms .blogspot. com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Be sure to keep your enthusiasm balanced:

Some sites to read first...

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html

http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/bland.html

On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:02 PM, wrote:

> Thank you, thank you, thank you! I have been seeing more patients who

> are into alternative/complementary medicine and am glad to see that it is

> being integrated into our profession.

>

> Also, my best friend passed away in March from lung cancer. She was

> working on her second master's degree in TCM (Traditional Chinese

> Medicine). Although she underwent chemo and radiation before she passed,

> she was also using complementary and alternative treatment options.

> Although I didn't believe in everything she believed in (ancient tradition

> vs. science-based), I certainly had a respect for her beliefs and found it

> quite interesting.

>

> I have really been interested in learning more about this and how to

> integrate it into western medicine. I will definitely be looking into some

> of these resources to learn more. This is so helpful. Thank you!

>

> RD, LD

>

>

>

> >

>

> > Are any of you holistic or homeopathic dietitians? I would love to

>

> > find out more information on studying and teaching the more natural

>

> > approach to nutrition. If you know of any online teaching or schools,

>

> > please let me know!

>

> > Thanks

>

> >

>

> > Hudson MS,RD,LD

>

> >

>

> > Chapter Leader of ICAN of , MS

>

> >

>

> > Many Women

>

> >

>

> > Many Visions

>

> >

>

> > One Scar

>

> >

>

> > One Purpose

>

> >

>

> > www.ican-online. org

>

> >

>

> > www.icanofjacksonms .blogspot. com

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

Be sure to keep your enthusiasm balanced:

Some sites to read first...

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html

http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/bland.html

On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:02 PM, wrote:

> Thank you, thank you, thank you! I have been seeing more patients who

> are into alternative/complementary medicine and am glad to see that it is

> being integrated into our profession.

>

> Also, my best friend passed away in March from lung cancer. She was

> working on her second master's degree in TCM (Traditional Chinese

> Medicine). Although she underwent chemo and radiation before she passed,

> she was also using complementary and alternative treatment options.

> Although I didn't believe in everything she believed in (ancient tradition

> vs. science-based), I certainly had a respect for her beliefs and found it

> quite interesting.

>

> I have really been interested in learning more about this and how to

> integrate it into western medicine. I will definitely be looking into some

> of these resources to learn more. This is so helpful. Thank you!

>

> RD, LD

>

>

>

> >

>

> > Are any of you holistic or homeopathic dietitians? I would love to

>

> > find out more information on studying and teaching the more natural

>

> > approach to nutrition. If you know of any online teaching or schools,

>

> > please let me know!

>

> > Thanks

>

> >

>

> > Hudson MS,RD,LD

>

> >

>

> > Chapter Leader of ICAN of , MS

>

> >

>

> > Many Women

>

> >

>

> > Many Visions

>

> >

>

> > One Scar

>

> >

>

> > One Purpose

>

> >

>

> > www.ican-online. org

>

> >

>

> > www.icanofjacksonms .blogspot. com

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I sure consider myself " holistic " in what I do, and yes, I've been listening

to FMU tapes as Margie Geiser suggests, for about 3 years (or is it 5?) at

least.

What is Holistic practice? I started that when we studied holistic medicine

as a college student back in 1981. It's sad that so many people think it's

quackery this late in the game.

Holistic just means you look at the " whole person. "

If a person is being treated for lung cancer, asks your advice about diet,

and you realize that she has mothballs scattered about her home to cover up dog

smells, do you ignore the toxins in her home and just counsel on diet? Or,

do you notify her doctor, that's never visited her home, and have them/her

address the toxins she's breathing in daily? That's holistic.

If a person is dealing with an eating disorder, and their spouse is

constantly belittleing them about their weight, do you ignore this piece of

info? Or

address how that " part " of their ED? A holistic RD would address the

psych/lifestyle issues around this person. A non-holistic RD would probably not

even

bother to pursue this piece of info.

If a person has a mold allergy to yeast, mushrooms and candida, do you just

address diet? OR, do you find out if they have a 20 year old pillow and mildew

growing in their bedroom or workplace, and address that too? A

non-holistic RD would just address diet. A holistic RD would address diet AND

lifestyle

issues that may be contributing.

If a client doesn't have the funds to purchase decent food, to you just

throw up your hands and let the patient be malnourished? Or do you

help/counsel

on sources of funds/low income support/food banks/food stamps/whatever, to

help them meet their needs? A holistic RD looks at the big picture. A

non-holistic RD would just throw up their hands and decide there is nothing

that

they, as the RD, can do. . .

Okay, hopefully you get my point. To me, to ignore lifestyle issues

surrounding diet is to be a lousy RD.

Just some comments off the top of my head. . . I'm sure others may have even

better examples.

So, do you have to go to school to be a holistic RD? Yes/no? Schools aren't

the only way you learn stuff - there's always reliable medical texts, cont

ed programs, Functional Medicine Updates, CCN degrees, etc, etc. . . And,

yes, Bastyr or other universities that teach complementary and functional

medicine.

In a message dated 9/20/2008 6:48:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

cindyhudson00@... writes:

Are any of you holistic or homeopathic dietitians? I would love to find out

more information on studying and teaching the more natural approach to

nutrition. If you know of any online teaching or schools, please let me know!

Thanks

Hudson MS,RD,LD

Chapter Leader of ICAN of , MS

Many Women

Many Visions

One Scar

One Purpose

www.ican-online.www

www.icanofjacksonmswww.icanofwww

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

Consultant, Writer, Speaker

Director of Medical Nutrition

Signet Diagnostic Corporation

(Mountain Time)

Fax:

DineRight4@...

Mediator Release Testing and LEAP Diet Protocol for Irritable Bowel

Syndrome, Migraine, Fibromyalgia and more, caused by food sensitivity

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I sure consider myself " holistic " in what I do, and yes, I've been listening

to FMU tapes as Margie Geiser suggests, for about 3 years (or is it 5?) at

least.

What is Holistic practice? I started that when we studied holistic medicine

as a college student back in 1981. It's sad that so many people think it's

quackery this late in the game.

Holistic just means you look at the " whole person. "

If a person is being treated for lung cancer, asks your advice about diet,

and you realize that she has mothballs scattered about her home to cover up dog

smells, do you ignore the toxins in her home and just counsel on diet? Or,

do you notify her doctor, that's never visited her home, and have them/her

address the toxins she's breathing in daily? That's holistic.

If a person is dealing with an eating disorder, and their spouse is

constantly belittleing them about their weight, do you ignore this piece of

info? Or

address how that " part " of their ED? A holistic RD would address the

psych/lifestyle issues around this person. A non-holistic RD would probably not

even

bother to pursue this piece of info.

If a person has a mold allergy to yeast, mushrooms and candida, do you just

address diet? OR, do you find out if they have a 20 year old pillow and mildew

growing in their bedroom or workplace, and address that too? A

non-holistic RD would just address diet. A holistic RD would address diet AND

lifestyle

issues that may be contributing.

If a client doesn't have the funds to purchase decent food, to you just

throw up your hands and let the patient be malnourished? Or do you

help/counsel

on sources of funds/low income support/food banks/food stamps/whatever, to

help them meet their needs? A holistic RD looks at the big picture. A

non-holistic RD would just throw up their hands and decide there is nothing

that

they, as the RD, can do. . .

Okay, hopefully you get my point. To me, to ignore lifestyle issues

surrounding diet is to be a lousy RD.

Just some comments off the top of my head. . . I'm sure others may have even

better examples.

So, do you have to go to school to be a holistic RD? Yes/no? Schools aren't

the only way you learn stuff - there's always reliable medical texts, cont

ed programs, Functional Medicine Updates, CCN degrees, etc, etc. . . And,

yes, Bastyr or other universities that teach complementary and functional

medicine.

In a message dated 9/20/2008 6:48:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

cindyhudson00@... writes:

Are any of you holistic or homeopathic dietitians? I would love to find out

more information on studying and teaching the more natural approach to

nutrition. If you know of any online teaching or schools, please let me know!

Thanks

Hudson MS,RD,LD

Chapter Leader of ICAN of , MS

Many Women

Many Visions

One Scar

One Purpose

www.ican-online.www

www.icanofjacksonmswww.icanofwww

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

Consultant, Writer, Speaker

Director of Medical Nutrition

Signet Diagnostic Corporation

(Mountain Time)

Fax:

DineRight4@...

Mediator Release Testing and LEAP Diet Protocol for Irritable Bowel

Syndrome, Migraine, Fibromyalgia and more, caused by food sensitivity

IMPORTANT - This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the

individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I sure consider myself " holistic " in what I do, and yes, I've been listening

to FMU tapes as Margie Geiser suggests, for about 3 years (or is it 5?) at

least.

What is Holistic practice? I started that when we studied holistic medicine

as a college student back in 1981. It's sad that so many people think it's

quackery this late in the game.

Holistic just means you look at the " whole person. "

If a person is being treated for lung cancer, asks your advice about diet,

and you realize that she has mothballs scattered about her home to cover up dog

smells, do you ignore the toxins in her home and just counsel on diet? Or,

do you notify her doctor, that's never visited her home, and have them/her

address the toxins she's breathing in daily? That's holistic.

If a person is dealing with an eating disorder, and their spouse is

constantly belittleing them about their weight, do you ignore this piece of

info? Or

address how that " part " of their ED? A holistic RD would address the

psych/lifestyle issues around this person. A non-holistic RD would probably not

even

bother to pursue this piece of info.

If a person has a mold allergy to yeast, mushrooms and candida, do you just

address diet? OR, do you find out if they have a 20 year old pillow and mildew

growing in their bedroom or workplace, and address that too? A

non-holistic RD would just address diet. A holistic RD would address diet AND

lifestyle

issues that may be contributing.

If a client doesn't have the funds to purchase decent food, to you just

throw up your hands and let the patient be malnourished? Or do you

help/counsel

on sources of funds/low income support/food banks/food stamps/whatever, to

help them meet their needs? A holistic RD looks at the big picture. A

non-holistic RD would just throw up their hands and decide there is nothing

that

they, as the RD, can do. . .

Okay, hopefully you get my point. To me, to ignore lifestyle issues

surrounding diet is to be a lousy RD.

Just some comments off the top of my head. . . I'm sure others may have even

better examples.

So, do you have to go to school to be a holistic RD? Yes/no? Schools aren't

the only way you learn stuff - there's always reliable medical texts, cont

ed programs, Functional Medicine Updates, CCN degrees, etc, etc. . . And,

yes, Bastyr or other universities that teach complementary and functional

medicine.

In a message dated 9/20/2008 6:48:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

cindyhudson00@... writes:

Are any of you holistic or homeopathic dietitians? I would love to find out

more information on studying and teaching the more natural approach to

nutrition. If you know of any online teaching or schools, please let me know!

Thanks

Hudson MS,RD,LD

Chapter Leader of ICAN of , MS

Many Women

Many Visions

One Scar

One Purpose

www.ican-online.www

www.icanofjacksonmswww.icanofwww

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

Consultant, Writer, Speaker

Director of Medical Nutrition

Signet Diagnostic Corporation

(Mountain Time)

Fax:

DineRight4@...

Mediator Release Testing and LEAP Diet Protocol for Irritable Bowel

Syndrome, Migraine, Fibromyalgia and more, caused by food sensitivity

IMPORTANT - This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the

individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that

is

privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If

you have received this message in error, you are hereby notified that we do not

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e-mail message. If you have received this communication in error, please notify

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[Guest guest]

Jan:

I couldn't agree with you more! Last year I changed MD groups and started to see

a young OD (Osteaopath). Although I had previous professional experience with

ODs, I'd never had any personal experience with them. First goal she established

for/with me was to decrease my BP meds (4) when possible and very

conservatively. A year later my BP is mostly normal and went from 157/93 to

110/80 and we decreased to 3 BP meds.

What did she do differently? She does not pull out her script pad every time I

see her, she guides me to a different life-style, allows me to tolerage more

pain w/o the use of meds, helps me balance my life-style and respects my

choices. Although I know what and how to eat, she knows many other ways to

attain and retain good health and weelbeing at my age, and she cares about how I

do it and the quality of my life.

We've discussed food choices (she likes that I know about those and tell her

many); I referred her to my accupuncturist and chiropractor so that she would

have good ones to refer her other patients to, especially those with chronic

pain like me (foot and back) and call on herself if she needed them (probably

quite a few years off judging by her age and health right now); she referred me

to a podiatrist and foot orthopedic surgeon, both who recommended surgery, yet

she agreed w me that it's still too early for me to remotely consider any

surgery as long as I can use other paliative methods that keep me med/drug free.

How different from my previous experiences when MDs filled me full of narcotics

and did nothing else. Dont get me wrong, I never filled those Rxs, I just tore

them up on the way home and continued to treat myself in other ways, which is

how I found a good chiropractor and excellent accupunturist.

I will not trade MDs now for anything else, and look forward to my visits every

6 months so we can set new goals and keep me at what I consider a very high

level of --- gee, I can't say functioning, just high level and feeling so good!

Unless we change our approaches, our old age won't have any quality. Maybe our

work won't either.

Digna Cassens, MHA, RD

http://groups.msn.com/RDForum

Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are

doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis

Re: Holistic or Homeopathic Dietitian

Hi ,

I sure consider myself " holistic " in what I do, and yes, I've been listening

to FMU tapes as Margie Geiser suggests, for about 3 years (or is it 5?) at

least.

What is Holistic practice? I started that when we studied holistic medicine

as a college student back in 1981. It's sad that so many people think it's

quackery this late in the game.

Holistic just means you look at the " whole person. "

If a person is being treated for lung cancer, asks your advice about diet,

and you realize that she has mothballs scattered about her home to cover up

dog

smells, do you ignore the toxins in her home and just counsel on diet? Or,

do you notify her doctor, that's never visited her home, and have them/her

address the toxins she's breathing in daily? That's holistic.

If a person is dealing with an eating disorder, and their spouse is

constantly belittleing them about their weight, do you ignore this piece of

info? Or

address how that " part " of their ED? A holistic RD would address the

psych/lifestyle issues around this person. A non-holistic RD would probably

not even

bother to pursue this piece of info.

If a person has a mold allergy to yeast, mushrooms and candida, do you just

address diet? OR, do you find out if they have a 20 year old pillow and mildew

growing in their bedroom or workplace, and address that too? A

non-holistic RD would just address diet. A holistic RD would address diet AND

lifestyle

issues that may be contributing.

If a client doesn't have the funds to purchase decent food, to you just

throw up your hands and let the patient be malnourished? Or do you

help/counsel

on sources of funds/low income support/food banks/food stamps/whatever, to

help them meet their needs? A holistic RD looks at the big picture. A

non-holistic RD would just throw up their hands and decide there is nothing

that

they, as the RD, can do. . .

Okay, hopefully you get my point. To me, to ignore lifestyle issues

surrounding diet is to be a lousy RD.

Just some comments off the top of my head. . . I'm sure others may have even

better examples.

So, do you have to go to school to be a holistic RD? Yes/no? Schools aren't

the only way you learn stuff - there's always reliable medical texts, cont

ed programs, Functional Medicine Updates, CCN degrees, etc, etc. . . And,

yes, Bastyr or other universities that teach complementary and functional

medicine.

In a message dated 9/20/2008 6:48:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

cindyhudson00@... writes:

Are any of you holistic or homeopathic dietitians? I would love to find out

more information on studying and teaching the more natural approach to

nutrition. If you know of any online teaching or schools, please let me know!

Thanks

Hudson MS,RD,LD

Chapter Leader of ICAN of , MS

Many Women

Many Visions

One Scar

One Purpose

www.ican-online.www

www.icanofjacksonmswww.icanofwww

[Guest guest]

Jan:

I couldn't agree with you more! Last year I changed MD groups and started to see

a young OD (Osteaopath). Although I had previous professional experience with

ODs, I'd never had any personal experience with them. First goal she established

for/with me was to decrease my BP meds (4) when possible and very

conservatively. A year later my BP is mostly normal and went from 157/93 to

110/80 and we decreased to 3 BP meds.

What did she do differently? She does not pull out her script pad every time I

see her, she guides me to a different life-style, allows me to tolerage more

pain w/o the use of meds, helps me balance my life-style and respects my

choices. Although I know what and how to eat, she knows many other ways to

attain and retain good health and weelbeing at my age, and she cares about how I

do it and the quality of my life.

We've discussed food choices (she likes that I know about those and tell her

many); I referred her to my accupuncturist and chiropractor so that she would

have good ones to refer her other patients to, especially those with chronic

pain like me (foot and back) and call on herself if she needed them (probably

quite a few years off judging by her age and health right now); she referred me

to a podiatrist and foot orthopedic surgeon, both who recommended surgery, yet

she agreed w me that it's still too early for me to remotely consider any

surgery as long as I can use other paliative methods that keep me med/drug free.

How different from my previous experiences when MDs filled me full of narcotics

and did nothing else. Dont get me wrong, I never filled those Rxs, I just tore

them up on the way home and continued to treat myself in other ways, which is

how I found a good chiropractor and excellent accupunturist.

I will not trade MDs now for anything else, and look forward to my visits every

6 months so we can set new goals and keep me at what I consider a very high

level of --- gee, I can't say functioning, just high level and feeling so good!

Unless we change our approaches, our old age won't have any quality. Maybe our

work won't either.

Digna Cassens, MHA, RD

http://groups.msn.com/RDForum

Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are

doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis

Re: Holistic or Homeopathic Dietitian

Hi ,

I sure consider myself " holistic " in what I do, and yes, I've been listening

to FMU tapes as Margie Geiser suggests, for about 3 years (or is it 5?) at

least.

What is Holistic practice? I started that when we studied holistic medicine

as a college student back in 1981. It's sad that so many people think it's

quackery this late in the game.

Holistic just means you look at the " whole person. "

If a person is being treated for lung cancer, asks your advice about diet,

and you realize that she has mothballs scattered about her home to cover up

dog

smells, do you ignore the toxins in her home and just counsel on diet? Or,

do you notify her doctor, that's never visited her home, and have them/her

address the toxins she's breathing in daily? That's holistic.

If a person is dealing with an eating disorder, and their spouse is

constantly belittleing them about their weight, do you ignore this piece of

info? Or

address how that " part " of their ED? A holistic RD would address the

psych/lifestyle issues around this person. A non-holistic RD would probably

not even

bother to pursue this piece of info.

If a person has a mold allergy to yeast, mushrooms and candida, do you just

address diet? OR, do you find out if they have a 20 year old pillow and mildew

growing in their bedroom or workplace, and address that too? A

non-holistic RD would just address diet. A holistic RD would address diet AND

lifestyle

issues that may be contributing.

If a client doesn't have the funds to purchase decent food, to you just

throw up your hands and let the patient be malnourished? Or do you

help/counsel

on sources of funds/low income support/food banks/food stamps/whatever, to

help them meet their needs? A holistic RD looks at the big picture. A

non-holistic RD would just throw up their hands and decide there is nothing

that

they, as the RD, can do. . .

Okay, hopefully you get my point. To me, to ignore lifestyle issues

surrounding diet is to be a lousy RD.

Just some comments off the top of my head. . . I'm sure others may have even

better examples.

So, do you have to go to school to be a holistic RD? Yes/no? Schools aren't

the only way you learn stuff - there's always reliable medical texts, cont

ed programs, Functional Medicine Updates, CCN degrees, etc, etc. . . And,

yes, Bastyr or other universities that teach complementary and functional

medicine.

In a message dated 9/20/2008 6:48:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

cindyhudson00@... writes:

Are any of you holistic or homeopathic dietitians? I would love to find out

more information on studying and teaching the more natural approach to

nutrition. If you know of any online teaching or schools, please let me know!

Thanks

Hudson MS,RD,LD

Chapter Leader of ICAN of , MS

Many Women

Many Visions

One Scar

One Purpose

www.ican-online.www

www.icanofjacksonmswww.icanofwww

[Guest guest]

Jan:

I couldn't agree with you more! Last year I changed MD groups and started to see

a young OD (Osteaopath). Although I had previous professional experience with

ODs, I'd never had any personal experience with them. First goal she established

for/with me was to decrease my BP meds (4) when possible and very

conservatively. A year later my BP is mostly normal and went from 157/93 to

110/80 and we decreased to 3 BP meds.

What did she do differently? She does not pull out her script pad every time I

see her, she guides me to a different life-style, allows me to tolerage more

pain w/o the use of meds, helps me balance my life-style and respects my

choices. Although I know what and how to eat, she knows many other ways to

attain and retain good health and weelbeing at my age, and she cares about how I

do it and the quality of my life.

We've discussed food choices (she likes that I know about those and tell her

many); I referred her to my accupuncturist and chiropractor so that she would

have good ones to refer her other patients to, especially those with chronic

pain like me (foot and back) and call on herself if she needed them (probably

quite a few years off judging by her age and health right now); she referred me

to a podiatrist and foot orthopedic surgeon, both who recommended surgery, yet

she agreed w me that it's still too early for me to remotely consider any

surgery as long as I can use other paliative methods that keep me med/drug free.

How different from my previous experiences when MDs filled me full of narcotics

and did nothing else. Dont get me wrong, I never filled those Rxs, I just tore

them up on the way home and continued to treat myself in other ways, which is

how I found a good chiropractor and excellent accupunturist.

I will not trade MDs now for anything else, and look forward to my visits every

6 months so we can set new goals and keep me at what I consider a very high

level of --- gee, I can't say functioning, just high level and feeling so good!

Unless we change our approaches, our old age won't have any quality. Maybe our

work won't either.

Digna Cassens, MHA, RD

http://groups.msn.com/RDForum

Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are

doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis

Re: Holistic or Homeopathic Dietitian

Hi ,

I sure consider myself " holistic " in what I do, and yes, I've been listening

to FMU tapes as Margie Geiser suggests, for about 3 years (or is it 5?) at

least.

What is Holistic practice? I started that when we studied holistic medicine

as a college student back in 1981. It's sad that so many people think it's

quackery this late in the game.

Holistic just means you look at the " whole person. "

If a person is being treated for lung cancer, asks your advice about diet,

and you realize that she has mothballs scattered about her home to cover up

dog

smells, do you ignore the toxins in her home and just counsel on diet? Or,

do you notify her doctor, that's never visited her home, and have them/her

address the toxins she's breathing in daily? That's holistic.

If a person is dealing with an eating disorder, and their spouse is

constantly belittleing them about their weight, do you ignore this piece of

info? Or

address how that " part " of their ED? A holistic RD would address the

psych/lifestyle issues around this person. A non-holistic RD would probably

not even

bother to pursue this piece of info.

If a person has a mold allergy to yeast, mushrooms and candida, do you just

address diet? OR, do you find out if they have a 20 year old pillow and mildew

growing in their bedroom or workplace, and address that too? A

non-holistic RD would just address diet. A holistic RD would address diet AND

lifestyle

issues that may be contributing.

If a client doesn't have the funds to purchase decent food, to you just

throw up your hands and let the patient be malnourished? Or do you

help/counsel

on sources of funds/low income support/food banks/food stamps/whatever, to

help them meet their needs? A holistic RD looks at the big picture. A

non-holistic RD would just throw up their hands and decide there is nothing

that

they, as the RD, can do. . .

Okay, hopefully you get my point. To me, to ignore lifestyle issues

surrounding diet is to be a lousy RD.

Just some comments off the top of my head. . . I'm sure others may have even

better examples.

So, do you have to go to school to be a holistic RD? Yes/no? Schools aren't

the only way you learn stuff - there's always reliable medical texts, cont

ed programs, Functional Medicine Updates, CCN degrees, etc, etc. . . And,

yes, Bastyr or other universities that teach complementary and functional

medicine.

In a message dated 9/20/2008 6:48:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

cindyhudson00@... writes:

Are any of you holistic or homeopathic dietitians? I would love to find out

more information on studying and teaching the more natural approach to

nutrition. If you know of any online teaching or schools, please let me know!

Thanks

Hudson MS,RD,LD

Chapter Leader of ICAN of , MS

Many Women

Many Visions

One Scar

One Purpose

www.ican-online.www

www.icanofjacksonmswww.icanofwww

[Guest guest]

Digna,

You mean a DO (Doctor of Osteopathy). Over the past year, we met a DO so I

quickly learned what they are all about. They are very wellness focused and

they also have a traditional medical degree with additional study in

osteopathy. They also have the same struggles as RDs do in getting the word

out about their profession. Once, Time magazine featured a DO and instead

called him an MD on the front cover. For more information on DOs, check out:

http://www.osteopathic.org/. I will definitely seek a DO when the need for a

physician arises.

Renata

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Digna Cassens wrote:

> Jan:

>

> I couldn't agree with you more! Last year I changed MD groups and started

> to see a young OD (Osteaopath). Although I had previous professional

> experience with ODs, I'd never had any personal experience with them. First

> goal she established for/with me was to decrease my BP meds (4) when

> possible and very conservatively. A year later my BP is mostly normal and

> went from 157/93 to 110/80 and we decreased to 3 BP meds.

>

> What did she do differently? She does not pull out her script pad every

> time I see her, she guides me to a different life-style, allows me to

> tolerage more pain w/o the use of meds, helps me balance my life-style and

> respects my choices. Although I know what and how to eat, she knows many

> other ways to attain and retain good health and weelbeing at my age, and she

> cares about how I do it and the quality of my life.

>

> We've discussed food choices (she likes that I know about those and tell

> her many); I referred her to my accupuncturist and chiropractor so that she

> would have good ones to refer her other patients to, especially those with

> chronic pain like me (foot and back) and call on herself if she needed them

> (probably quite a few years off judging by her age and health right now);

> she referred me to a podiatrist and foot orthopedic surgeon, both who

> recommended surgery, yet she agreed w me that it's still too early for me to

> remotely consider any surgery as long as I can use other paliative methods

> that keep me med/drug free. How different from my previous experiences when

> MDs filled me full of narcotics and did nothing else. Dont get me wrong, I

> never filled those Rxs, I just tore them up on the way home and continued to

> treat myself in other ways, which is how I found a good chiropractor and

> excellent accupunturist.

>

> I will not trade MDs now for anything else, and look forward to my visits

> every 6 months so we can set new goals and keep me at what I consider a very

> high level of --- gee, I can't say functioning, just high level and feeling

> so good! Unless we change our approaches, our old age won't have any

> quality. Maybe our work won't either.

>

> Digna Cassens, MHA, RD

> http://groups.msn.com/RDForum

> Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are

> doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis

>

>

> Re: Holistic or Homeopathic Dietitian

>

> Hi ,

> I sure consider myself " holistic " in what I do, and yes, I've been

> listening

> to FMU tapes as Margie Geiser suggests, for about 3 years (or is it 5?) at

> least.

>

> What is Holistic practice? I started that when we studied holistic medicine

>

> as a college student back in 1981. It's sad that so many people think it's

> quackery this late in the game.

>

> Holistic just means you look at the " whole person. "

>

> If a person is being treated for lung cancer, asks your advice about diet,

> and you realize that she has mothballs scattered about her home to cover up

> dog

> smells, do you ignore the toxins in her home and just counsel on diet? Or,

> do you notify her doctor, that's never visited her home, and have them/her

> address the toxins she's breathing in daily? That's holistic.

>

> If a person is dealing with an eating disorder, and their spouse is

> constantly belittleing them about their weight, do you ignore this piece of

> info? Or

> address how that " part " of their ED? A holistic RD would address the

> psych/lifestyle issues around this person. A non-holistic RD would probably

> not even

> bother to pursue this piece of info.

>

> If a person has a mold allergy to yeast, mushrooms and candida, do you just

>

> address diet? OR, do you find out if they have a 20 year old pillow and

> mildew

> growing in their bedroom or workplace, and address that too? A

> non-holistic RD would just address diet. A holistic RD would address diet

> AND lifestyle

> issues that may be contributing.

>

> If a client doesn't have the funds to purchase decent food, to you just

> throw up your hands and let the patient be malnourished? Or do you

> help/counsel

> on sources of funds/low income support/food banks/food stamps/whatever, to

> help them meet their needs? A holistic RD looks at the big picture. A

> non-holistic RD would just throw up their hands and decide there is nothing

> that

> they, as the RD, can do. . .

>

> Okay, hopefully you get my point. To me, to ignore lifestyle issues

> surrounding diet is to be a lousy RD.

>

> Just some comments off the top of my head. . . I'm sure others may have

> even

> better examples.

>

> So, do you have to go to school to be a holistic RD? Yes/no? Schools aren't

>

> the only way you learn stuff - there's always reliable medical texts, cont

> ed programs, Functional Medicine Updates, CCN degrees, etc, etc. . . And,

> yes, Bastyr or other universities that teach complementary and functional

> medicine.

>

> In a message dated 9/20/2008 6:48:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> cindyhudson00@... <cindyhudson00%40yahoo.com> writes:

>

> Are any of you holistic or homeopathic dietitians? I would love to find out

>

> more information on studying and teaching the more natural approach to

> nutrition. If you know of any online teaching or schools, please let me

> know!

> Thanks

>

> Hudson MS,RD,LD

>

> Chapter Leader of ICAN of , MS

>

> Many Women

>

> Many Visions

>

> One Scar

>

> One Purpose

>

> www.ican-online.www

>

> www.icanofjacksonmswww.icanofwww

>

>

[Guest guest]

Digna,

You mean a DO (Doctor of Osteopathy). Over the past year, we met a DO so I

quickly learned what they are all about. They are very wellness focused and

they also have a traditional medical degree with additional study in

osteopathy. They also have the same struggles as RDs do in getting the word

out about their profession. Once, Time magazine featured a DO and instead

called him an MD on the front cover. For more information on DOs, check out:

http://www.osteopathic.org/. I will definitely seek a DO when the need for a

physician arises.

Renata

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Digna Cassens wrote:

> Jan:

>

> I couldn't agree with you more! Last year I changed MD groups and started

> to see a young OD (Osteaopath). Although I had previous professional

> experience with ODs, I'd never had any personal experience with them. First

> goal she established for/with me was to decrease my BP meds (4) when

> possible and very conservatively. A year later my BP is mostly normal and

> went from 157/93 to 110/80 and we decreased to 3 BP meds.

>

> What did she do differently? She does not pull out her script pad every

> time I see her, she guides me to a different life-style, allows me to

> tolerage more pain w/o the use of meds, helps me balance my life-style and

> respects my choices. Although I know what and how to eat, she knows many

> other ways to attain and retain good health and weelbeing at my age, and she

> cares about how I do it and the quality of my life.

>

> We've discussed food choices (she likes that I know about those and tell

> her many); I referred her to my accupuncturist and chiropractor so that she

> would have good ones to refer her other patients to, especially those with

> chronic pain like me (foot and back) and call on herself if she needed them

> (probably quite a few years off judging by her age and health right now);

> she referred me to a podiatrist and foot orthopedic surgeon, both who

> recommended surgery, yet she agreed w me that it's still too early for me to

> remotely consider any surgery as long as I can use other paliative methods

> that keep me med/drug free. How different from my previous experiences when

> MDs filled me full of narcotics and did nothing else. Dont get me wrong, I

> never filled those Rxs, I just tore them up on the way home and continued to

> treat myself in other ways, which is how I found a good chiropractor and

> excellent accupunturist.

>

> I will not trade MDs now for anything else, and look forward to my visits

> every 6 months so we can set new goals and keep me at what I consider a very

> high level of --- gee, I can't say functioning, just high level and feeling

> so good! Unless we change our approaches, our old age won't have any

> quality. Maybe our work won't either.

>

> Digna Cassens, MHA, RD

> http://groups.msn.com/RDForum

> Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are

> doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis

>

>

> Re: Holistic or Homeopathic Dietitian

>

> Hi ,

> I sure consider myself " holistic " in what I do, and yes, I've been

> listening

> to FMU tapes as Margie Geiser suggests, for about 3 years (or is it 5?) at

> least.

>

> What is Holistic practice? I started that when we studied holistic medicine

>

> as a college student back in 1981. It's sad that so many people think it's

> quackery this late in the game.

>

> Holistic just means you look at the " whole person. "

>

> If a person is being treated for lung cancer, asks your advice about diet,

> and you realize that she has mothballs scattered about her home to cover up

> dog

> smells, do you ignore the toxins in her home and just counsel on diet? Or,

> do you notify her doctor, that's never visited her home, and have them/her

> address the toxins she's breathing in daily? That's holistic.

>

> If a person is dealing with an eating disorder, and their spouse is

> constantly belittleing them about their weight, do you ignore this piece of

> info? Or

> address how that " part " of their ED? A holistic RD would address the

> psych/lifestyle issues around this person. A non-holistic RD would probably

> not even

> bother to pursue this piece of info.

>

> If a person has a mold allergy to yeast, mushrooms and candida, do you just

>

> address diet? OR, do you find out if they have a 20 year old pillow and

> mildew

> growing in their bedroom or workplace, and address that too? A

> non-holistic RD would just address diet. A holistic RD would address diet

> AND lifestyle

> issues that may be contributing.

>

> If a client doesn't have the funds to purchase decent food, to you just

> throw up your hands and let the patient be malnourished? Or do you

> help/counsel

> on sources of funds/low income support/food banks/food stamps/whatever, to

> help them meet their needs? A holistic RD looks at the big picture. A

> non-holistic RD would just throw up their hands and decide there is nothing

> that

> they, as the RD, can do. . .

>

> Okay, hopefully you get my point. To me, to ignore lifestyle issues

> surrounding diet is to be a lousy RD.

>

> Just some comments off the top of my head. . . I'm sure others may have

> even

> better examples.

>

> So, do you have to go to school to be a holistic RD? Yes/no? Schools aren't

>

> the only way you learn stuff - there's always reliable medical texts, cont

> ed programs, Functional Medicine Updates, CCN degrees, etc, etc. . . And,

> yes, Bastyr or other universities that teach complementary and functional

> medicine.

>

> In a message dated 9/20/2008 6:48:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> cindyhudson00@... <cindyhudson00%40yahoo.com> writes:

>

> Are any of you holistic or homeopathic dietitians? I would love to find out

>

> more information on studying and teaching the more natural approach to

> nutrition. If you know of any online teaching or schools, please let me

> know!

> Thanks

>

> Hudson MS,RD,LD

>

> Chapter Leader of ICAN of , MS

>

> Many Women

>

> Many Visions

>

> One Scar

>

> One Purpose

>

> www.ican-online.www

>

> www.icanofjacksonmswww.icanofwww

>

>

[Guest guest]

Digna,

You mean a DO (Doctor of Osteopathy). Over the past year, we met a DO so I

quickly learned what they are all about. They are very wellness focused and

they also have a traditional medical degree with additional study in

osteopathy. They also have the same struggles as RDs do in getting the word

out about their profession. Once, Time magazine featured a DO and instead

called him an MD on the front cover. For more information on DOs, check out:

http://www.osteopathic.org/. I will definitely seek a DO when the need for a

physician arises.

Renata

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Digna Cassens wrote:

> Jan:

>

> I couldn't agree with you more! Last year I changed MD groups and started

> to see a young OD (Osteaopath). Although I had previous professional

> experience with ODs, I'd never had any personal experience with them. First

> goal she established for/with me was to decrease my BP meds (4) when

> possible and very conservatively. A year later my BP is mostly normal and

> went from 157/93 to 110/80 and we decreased to 3 BP meds.

>

> What did she do differently? She does not pull out her script pad every

> time I see her, she guides me to a different life-style, allows me to

> tolerage more pain w/o the use of meds, helps me balance my life-style and

> respects my choices. Although I know what and how to eat, she knows many

> other ways to attain and retain good health and weelbeing at my age, and she

> cares about how I do it and the quality of my life.

>

> We've discussed food choices (she likes that I know about those and tell

> her many); I referred her to my accupuncturist and chiropractor so that she

> would have good ones to refer her other patients to, especially those with

> chronic pain like me (foot and back) and call on herself if she needed them

> (probably quite a few years off judging by her age and health right now);

> she referred me to a podiatrist and foot orthopedic surgeon, both who

> recommended surgery, yet she agreed w me that it's still too early for me to

> remotely consider any surgery as long as I can use other paliative methods

> that keep me med/drug free. How different from my previous experiences when

> MDs filled me full of narcotics and did nothing else. Dont get me wrong, I

> never filled those Rxs, I just tore them up on the way home and continued to

> treat myself in other ways, which is how I found a good chiropractor and

> excellent accupunturist.

>

> I will not trade MDs now for anything else, and look forward to my visits

> every 6 months so we can set new goals and keep me at what I consider a very

> high level of --- gee, I can't say functioning, just high level and feeling

> so good! Unless we change our approaches, our old age won't have any

> quality. Maybe our work won't either.

>

> Digna Cassens, MHA, RD

> http://groups.msn.com/RDForum

> Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are

> doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis

>

>

> Re: Holistic or Homeopathic Dietitian

>

> Hi ,

> I sure consider myself " holistic " in what I do, and yes, I've been

> listening

> to FMU tapes as Margie Geiser suggests, for about 3 years (or is it 5?) at

> least.

>

> What is Holistic practice? I started that when we studied holistic medicine

>

> as a college student back in 1981. It's sad that so many people think it's

> quackery this late in the game.

>

> Holistic just means you look at the " whole person. "

>

> If a person is being treated for lung cancer, asks your advice about diet,

> and you realize that she has mothballs scattered about her home to cover up

> dog

> smells, do you ignore the toxins in her home and just counsel on diet? Or,

> do you notify her doctor, that's never visited her home, and have them/her

> address the toxins she's breathing in daily? That's holistic.

>

> If a person is dealing with an eating disorder, and their spouse is

> constantly belittleing them about their weight, do you ignore this piece of

> info? Or

> address how that " part " of their ED? A holistic RD would address the

> psych/lifestyle issues around this person. A non-holistic RD would probably

> not even

> bother to pursue this piece of info.

>

> If a person has a mold allergy to yeast, mushrooms and candida, do you just

>

> address diet? OR, do you find out if they have a 20 year old pillow and

> mildew

> growing in their bedroom or workplace, and address that too? A

> non-holistic RD would just address diet. A holistic RD would address diet

> AND lifestyle

> issues that may be contributing.

>

> If a client doesn't have the funds to purchase decent food, to you just

> throw up your hands and let the patient be malnourished? Or do you

> help/counsel

> on sources of funds/low income support/food banks/food stamps/whatever, to

> help them meet their needs? A holistic RD looks at the big picture. A

> non-holistic RD would just throw up their hands and decide there is nothing

> that

> they, as the RD, can do. . .

>

> Okay, hopefully you get my point. To me, to ignore lifestyle issues

> surrounding diet is to be a lousy RD.

>

> Just some comments off the top of my head. . . I'm sure others may have

> even

> better examples.

>

> So, do you have to go to school to be a holistic RD? Yes/no? Schools aren't

>

> the only way you learn stuff - there's always reliable medical texts, cont

> ed programs, Functional Medicine Updates, CCN degrees, etc, etc. . . And,

> yes, Bastyr or other universities that teach complementary and functional

> medicine.

>

> In a message dated 9/20/2008 6:48:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> cindyhudson00@... <cindyhudson00%40yahoo.com> writes:

>

> Are any of you holistic or homeopathic dietitians? I would love to find out

>

> more information on studying and teaching the more natural approach to

> nutrition. If you know of any online teaching or schools, please let me

> know!

> Thanks

>

> Hudson MS,RD,LD

>

> Chapter Leader of ICAN of , MS

>

> Many Women

>

> Many Visions

>

> One Scar

>

> One Purpose

>

> www.ican-online.www

>

> www.icanofjacksonmswww.icanofwww

>

>

[Guest guest]

As a daughter of a DO I was going to make a similar comment as

Renata's. ODs are Doctors of Optometry. When I grew up, in the 40's

and 50's, and even later DOs were regarded with some skepticism as

" bone-crackers, etc in spite of their training in manipulation on top of

what MDs learn. The whole patient healthy lifestyle philosophy of DOs

has deep roots. When I was young for example MDs were performing

tonsillectomies almost routinely, sometimes operating pn all the kids in

a family at one time. My dad insisted that tonsils were there for a

purpose and seemed to be in the minority in our small town in not going

for that routine elective surgery.

Pat

Renata Oliveira Mangrum wrote:

>

> Digna,

> You mean a DO (Doctor of Osteopathy). Over the past year, we met a DO so I

> quickly learned what they are all about. They are very wellness

> focused and

> they also have a traditional medical degree with additional study in

> osteopathy. They also have the same struggles as RDs do in getting the

> word

> out about their profession. Once, Time magazine featured a DO and instead

> called him an MD on the front cover. For more information on DOs,

> check out:

> http://www.osteopathic.org/. <http://www.osteopathic.org/.> I will

> definitely seek a DO when the need for a

> physician arises.

> Renata

>

> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Digna Cassens

> <dignacassens@... <mailto:dignacassens%40verizon.net>>wrote:

>

> > Jan:

> >

> > I couldn't agree with you more! Last year I changed MD groups and

> started

> > to see a young OD (Osteaopath). Although I had previous professional

> > experience with ODs, I'd never had any personal experience with

> them. First

> > goal she established for/with me was to decrease my BP meds (4) when

> > possible and very conservatively. A year later my BP is mostly

> normal and

> > went from 157/93 to 110/80 and we decreased to 3 BP meds.

> >

> > What did she do differently? She does not pull out her script pad every

> > time I see her, she guides me to a different life-style, allows me to

> > tolerage more pain w/o the use of meds, helps me balance my

> life-style and

> > respects my choices. Although I know what and how to eat, she knows many

> > other ways to attain and retain good health and weelbeing at my age,

> and she

> > cares about how I do it and the quality of my life.

> >

> > We've discussed food choices (she likes that I know about those and tell

> > her many); I referred her to my accupuncturist and chiropractor so

> that she

> > would have good ones to refer her other patients to, especially

> those with

> > chronic pain like me (foot and back) and call on herself if she

> needed them

> > (probably quite a few years off judging by her age and health right

> now);

> > she referred me to a podiatrist and foot orthopedic surgeon, both who

> > recommended surgery, yet she agreed w me that it's still too early

> for me to

> > remotely consider any surgery as long as I can use other paliative

> methods

> > that keep me med/drug free. How different from my previous

> experiences when

> > MDs filled me full of narcotics and did nothing else. Dont get me

> wrong, I

> > never filled those Rxs, I just tore them up on the way home and

> continued to

> > treat myself in other ways, which is how I found a good chiropractor and

> > excellent accupunturist.

> >

> > I will not trade MDs now for anything else, and look forward to my

> visits

> > every 6 months so we can set new goals and keep me at what I

> consider a very

> > high level of --- gee, I can't say functioning, just high level and

> feeling

> > so good! Unless we change our approaches, our old age won't have any

> > quality. Maybe our work won't either.

> >

> > Digna Cassens, MHA, RD

> > http://groups.msn.com/RDForum <http://groups.msn.com/RDForum>

> > Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly

> you are

> > doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis

> >

> >

> > Re: Holistic or Homeopathic Dietitian

> >

> > Hi ,

> > I sure consider myself " holistic " in what I do, and yes, I've been

> > listening

> > to FMU tapes as Margie Geiser suggests, for about 3 years (or is it

> 5?) at

> > least.

> >

> > What is Holistic practice? I started that when we studied holistic

> medicine

> >

> > as a college student back in 1981. It's sad that so many people

> think it's

> > quackery this late in the game.

> >

> > Holistic just means you look at the " whole person. "

> >

> > If a person is being treated for lung cancer, asks your advice about

> diet,

> > and you realize that she has mothballs scattered about her home to

> cover up

> > dog

> > smells, do you ignore the toxins in her home and just counsel on

> diet? Or,

> > do you notify her doctor, that's never visited her home, and have

> them/her

> > address the toxins she's breathing in daily? That's holistic.

> >

> > If a person is dealing with an eating disorder, and their spouse is

> > constantly belittleing them about their weight, do you ignore this

> piece of

> > info? Or

> > address how that " part " of their ED? A holistic RD would address the

> > psych/lifestyle issues around this person. A non-holistic RD would

> probably

> > not even

> > bother to pursue this piece of info.

> >

> > If a person has a mold allergy to yeast, mushrooms and candida, do

> you just

> >

> > address diet? OR, do you find out if they have a 20 year old pillow and

> > mildew

> > growing in their bedroom or workplace, and address that too? A

> > non-holistic RD would just address diet. A holistic RD would address

> diet

> > AND lifestyle

> > issues that may be contributing.

> >

> > If a client doesn't have the funds to purchase decent food, to you just

> > throw up your hands and let the patient be malnourished? Or do you

> > help/counsel

> > on sources of funds/low income support/food banks/food

> stamps/whatever, to

> > help them meet their needs? A holistic RD looks at the big picture. A

> > non-holistic RD would just throw up their hands and decide there is

> nothing

> > that

> > they, as the RD, can do. . .

> >

> > Okay, hopefully you get my point. To me, to ignore lifestyle issues

> > surrounding diet is to be a lousy RD.

> >

> > Just some comments off the top of my head. . . I'm sure others may have

> > even

> > better examples.

> >

> > So, do you have to go to school to be a holistic RD? Yes/no? Schools

> aren't

> >

> > the only way you learn stuff - there's always reliable medical

> texts, cont

> > ed programs, Functional Medicine Updates, CCN degrees, etc, etc. . .

> And,

> > yes, Bastyr or other universities that teach complementary and

> functional

> > medicine.

> >

> > In a message dated 9/20/2008 6:48:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> > cindyhudson00@... <mailto:cindyhudson00%40yahoo.com>

> <cindyhudson00%40yahoo.com> writes:

> >

> > Are any of you holistic or homeopathic dietitians? I would love to

> find out

> >

> > more information on studying and teaching the more natural approach to

> > nutrition. If you know of any online teaching or schools, please let me

> > know!

> > Thanks

> >

> > Hudson MS,RD,LD

> >

> > Chapter Leader of ICAN of , MS

> >

> > Many Women

> >

> > Many Visions

> >

> > One Scar

> >

> > One Purpose

> >

> > www.ican-online.www

> >

> > www.icanofjacksonmswww.icanofwww

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

As a daughter of a DO I was going to make a similar comment as

Renata's. ODs are Doctors of Optometry. When I grew up, in the 40's

and 50's, and even later DOs were regarded with some skepticism as

" bone-crackers, etc in spite of their training in manipulation on top of

what MDs learn. The whole patient healthy lifestyle philosophy of DOs

has deep roots. When I was young for example MDs were performing

tonsillectomies almost routinely, sometimes operating pn all the kids in

a family at one time. My dad insisted that tonsils were there for a

purpose and seemed to be in the minority in our small town in not going

for that routine elective surgery.

Pat

Renata Oliveira Mangrum wrote:

>

> Digna,

> You mean a DO (Doctor of Osteopathy). Over the past year, we met a DO so I

> quickly learned what they are all about. They are very wellness

> focused and

> they also have a traditional medical degree with additional study in

> osteopathy. They also have the same struggles as RDs do in getting the

> word

> out about their profession. Once, Time magazine featured a DO and instead

> called him an MD on the front cover. For more information on DOs,

> check out:

> http://www.osteopathic.org/. <http://www.osteopathic.org/.> I will

> definitely seek a DO when the need for a

> physician arises.

> Renata

>

> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Digna Cassens

> <dignacassens@... <mailto:dignacassens%40verizon.net>>wrote:

>

> > Jan:

> >

> > I couldn't agree with you more! Last year I changed MD groups and

> started

> > to see a young OD (Osteaopath). Although I had previous professional

> > experience with ODs, I'd never had any personal experience with

> them. First

> > goal she established for/with me was to decrease my BP meds (4) when

> > possible and very conservatively. A year later my BP is mostly

> normal and

> > went from 157/93 to 110/80 and we decreased to 3 BP meds.

> >

> > What did she do differently? She does not pull out her script pad every

> > time I see her, she guides me to a different life-style, allows me to

> > tolerage more pain w/o the use of meds, helps me balance my

> life-style and

> > respects my choices. Although I know what and how to eat, she knows many

> > other ways to attain and retain good health and weelbeing at my age,

> and she

> > cares about how I do it and the quality of my life.

> >

> > We've discussed food choices (she likes that I know about those and tell

> > her many); I referred her to my accupuncturist and chiropractor so

> that she

> > would have good ones to refer her other patients to, especially

> those with

> > chronic pain like me (foot and back) and call on herself if she

> needed them

> > (probably quite a few years off judging by her age and health right

> now);

> > she referred me to a podiatrist and foot orthopedic surgeon, both who

> > recommended surgery, yet she agreed w me that it's still too early

> for me to

> > remotely consider any surgery as long as I can use other paliative

> methods

> > that keep me med/drug free. How different from my previous

> experiences when

> > MDs filled me full of narcotics and did nothing else. Dont get me

> wrong, I

> > never filled those Rxs, I just tore them up on the way home and

> continued to

> > treat myself in other ways, which is how I found a good chiropractor and

> > excellent accupunturist.

> >

> > I will not trade MDs now for anything else, and look forward to my

> visits

> > every 6 months so we can set new goals and keep me at what I

> consider a very

> > high level of --- gee, I can't say functioning, just high level and

> feeling

> > so good! Unless we change our approaches, our old age won't have any

> > quality. Maybe our work won't either.

> >

> > Digna Cassens, MHA, RD

> > http://groups.msn.com/RDForum <http://groups.msn.com/RDForum>

> > Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly

> you are

> > doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis

> >

> >

> > Re: Holistic or Homeopathic Dietitian

> >

> > Hi ,

> > I sure consider myself " holistic " in what I do, and yes, I've been

> > listening

> > to FMU tapes as Margie Geiser suggests, for about 3 years (or is it

> 5?) at

> > least.

> >

> > What is Holistic practice? I started that when we studied holistic

> medicine

> >

> > as a college student back in 1981. It's sad that so many people

> think it's

> > quackery this late in the game.

> >

> > Holistic just means you look at the " whole person. "

> >

> > If a person is being treated for lung cancer, asks your advice about

> diet,

> > and you realize that she has mothballs scattered about her home to

> cover up

> > dog

> > smells, do you ignore the toxins in her home and just counsel on

> diet? Or,

> > do you notify her doctor, that's never visited her home, and have

> them/her

> > address the toxins she's breathing in daily? That's holistic.

> >

> > If a person is dealing with an eating disorder, and their spouse is

> > constantly belittleing them about their weight, do you ignore this

> piece of

> > info? Or

> > address how that " part " of their ED? A holistic RD would address the

> > psych/lifestyle issues around this person. A non-holistic RD would

> probably

> > not even

> > bother to pursue this piece of info.

> >

> > If a person has a mold allergy to yeast, mushrooms and candida, do

> you just

> >

> > address diet? OR, do you find out if they have a 20 year old pillow and

> > mildew

> > growing in their bedroom or workplace, and address that too? A

> > non-holistic RD would just address diet. A holistic RD would address

> diet

> > AND lifestyle

> > issues that may be contributing.

> >

> > If a client doesn't have the funds to purchase decent food, to you just

> > throw up your hands and let the patient be malnourished? Or do you

> > help/counsel

> > on sources of funds/low income support/food banks/food

> stamps/whatever, to

> > help them meet their needs? A holistic RD looks at the big picture. A

> > non-holistic RD would just throw up their hands and decide there is

> nothing

> > that

> > they, as the RD, can do. . .

> >

> > Okay, hopefully you get my point. To me, to ignore lifestyle issues

> > surrounding diet is to be a lousy RD.

> >

> > Just some comments off the top of my head. . . I'm sure others may have

> > even

> > better examples.

> >

> > So, do you have to go to school to be a holistic RD? Yes/no? Schools

> aren't

> >

> > the only way you learn stuff - there's always reliable medical

> texts, cont

> > ed programs, Functional Medicine Updates, CCN degrees, etc, etc. . .

> And,

> > yes, Bastyr or other universities that teach complementary and

> functional

> > medicine.

> >

> > In a message dated 9/20/2008 6:48:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> > cindyhudson00@... <mailto:cindyhudson00%40yahoo.com>

> <cindyhudson00%40yahoo.com> writes:

> >

> > Are any of you holistic or homeopathic dietitians? I would love to

> find out

> >

> > more information on studying and teaching the more natural approach to

> > nutrition. If you know of any online teaching or schools, please let me

> > know!

> > Thanks

> >

> > Hudson MS,RD,LD

> >

> > Chapter Leader of ICAN of , MS

> >

> > Many Women

> >

> > Many Visions

> >

> > One Scar

> >

> > One Purpose

> >

> > www.ican-online.www

> >

> > www.icanofjacksonmswww.icanofwww

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

As a daughter of a DO I was going to make a similar comment as

Renata's. ODs are Doctors of Optometry. When I grew up, in the 40's

and 50's, and even later DOs were regarded with some skepticism as

" bone-crackers, etc in spite of their training in manipulation on top of

what MDs learn. The whole patient healthy lifestyle philosophy of DOs

has deep roots. When I was young for example MDs were performing

tonsillectomies almost routinely, sometimes operating pn all the kids in

a family at one time. My dad insisted that tonsils were there for a

purpose and seemed to be in the minority in our small town in not going

for that routine elective surgery.

Pat

Renata Oliveira Mangrum wrote:

>

> Digna,

> You mean a DO (Doctor of Osteopathy). Over the past year, we met a DO so I

> quickly learned what they are all about. They are very wellness

> focused and

> they also have a traditional medical degree with additional study in

> osteopathy. They also have the same struggles as RDs do in getting the

> word

> out about their profession. Once, Time magazine featured a DO and instead

> called him an MD on the front cover. For more information on DOs,

> check out:

> http://www.osteopathic.org/. <http://www.osteopathic.org/.> I will

> definitely seek a DO when the need for a

> physician arises.

> Renata

>

> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Digna Cassens

> <dignacassens@... <mailto:dignacassens%40verizon.net>>wrote:

>

> > Jan:

> >

> > I couldn't agree with you more! Last year I changed MD groups and

> started

> > to see a young OD (Osteaopath). Although I had previous professional

> > experience with ODs, I'd never had any personal experience with

> them. First

> > goal she established for/with me was to decrease my BP meds (4) when

> > possible and very conservatively. A year later my BP is mostly

> normal and

> > went from 157/93 to 110/80 and we decreased to 3 BP meds.

> >

> > What did she do differently? She does not pull out her script pad every

> > time I see her, she guides me to a different life-style, allows me to

> > tolerage more pain w/o the use of meds, helps me balance my

> life-style and

> > respects my choices. Although I know what and how to eat, she knows many

> > other ways to attain and retain good health and weelbeing at my age,

> and she

> > cares about how I do it and the quality of my life.

> >

> > We've discussed food choices (she likes that I know about those and tell

> > her many); I referred her to my accupuncturist and chiropractor so

> that she

> > would have good ones to refer her other patients to, especially

> those with

> > chronic pain like me (foot and back) and call on herself if she

> needed them

> > (probably quite a few years off judging by her age and health right

> now);

> > she referred me to a podiatrist and foot orthopedic surgeon, both who

> > recommended surgery, yet she agreed w me that it's still too early

> for me to

> > remotely consider any surgery as long as I can use other paliative

> methods

> > that keep me med/drug free. How different from my previous

> experiences when

> > MDs filled me full of narcotics and did nothing else. Dont get me

> wrong, I

> > never filled those Rxs, I just tore them up on the way home and

> continued to

> > treat myself in other ways, which is how I found a good chiropractor and

> > excellent accupunturist.

> >

> > I will not trade MDs now for anything else, and look forward to my

> visits

> > every 6 months so we can set new goals and keep me at what I

> consider a very

> > high level of --- gee, I can't say functioning, just high level and

> feeling

> > so good! Unless we change our approaches, our old age won't have any

> > quality. Maybe our work won't either.

> >

> > Digna Cassens, MHA, RD

> > http://groups.msn.com/RDForum <http://groups.msn.com/RDForum>

> > Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly

> you are

> > doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis

> >

> >

> > Re: Holistic or Homeopathic Dietitian

> >

> > Hi ,

> > I sure consider myself " holistic " in what I do, and yes, I've been

> > listening

> > to FMU tapes as Margie Geiser suggests, for about 3 years (or is it

> 5?) at

> > least.

> >

> > What is Holistic practice? I started that when we studied holistic

> medicine

> >

> > as a college student back in 1981. It's sad that so many people

> think it's

> > quackery this late in the game.

> >

> > Holistic just means you look at the " whole person. "

> >

> > If a person is being treated for lung cancer, asks your advice about

> diet,

> > and you realize that she has mothballs scattered about her home to

> cover up

> > dog

> > smells, do you ignore the toxins in her home and just counsel on

> diet? Or,

> > do you notify her doctor, that's never visited her home, and have

> them/her

> > address the toxins she's breathing in daily? That's holistic.

> >

> > If a person is dealing with an eating disorder, and their spouse is

> > constantly belittleing them about their weight, do you ignore this

> piece of

> > info? Or

> > address how that " part " of their ED? A holistic RD would address the

> > psych/lifestyle issues around this person. A non-holistic RD would

> probably

> > not even

> > bother to pursue this piece of info.

> >

> > If a person has a mold allergy to yeast, mushrooms and candida, do

> you just

> >

> > address diet? OR, do you find out if they have a 20 year old pillow and

> > mildew

> > growing in their bedroom or workplace, and address that too? A

> > non-holistic RD would just address diet. A holistic RD would address

> diet

> > AND lifestyle

> > issues that may be contributing.

> >

> > If a client doesn't have the funds to purchase decent food, to you just

> > throw up your hands and let the patient be malnourished? Or do you

> > help/counsel

> > on sources of funds/low income support/food banks/food

> stamps/whatever, to

> > help them meet their needs? A holistic RD looks at the big picture. A

> > non-holistic RD would just throw up their hands and decide there is

> nothing

> > that

> > they, as the RD, can do. . .

> >

> > Okay, hopefully you get my point. To me, to ignore lifestyle issues

> > surrounding diet is to be a lousy RD.

> >

> > Just some comments off the top of my head. . . I'm sure others may have

> > even

> > better examples.

> >

> > So, do you have to go to school to be a holistic RD? Yes/no? Schools

> aren't

> >

> > the only way you learn stuff - there's always reliable medical

> texts, cont

> > ed programs, Functional Medicine Updates, CCN degrees, etc, etc. . .

> And,

> > yes, Bastyr or other universities that teach complementary and

> functional

> > medicine.

> >

> > In a message dated 9/20/2008 6:48:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> > cindyhudson00@... <mailto:cindyhudson00%40yahoo.com>

> <cindyhudson00%40yahoo.com> writes:

> >

> > Are any of you holistic or homeopathic dietitians? I would love to

> find out

> >

> > more information on studying and teaching the more natural approach to

> > nutrition. If you know of any online teaching or schools, please let me

> > know!

> > Thanks

> >

> > Hudson MS,RD,LD

> >

> > Chapter Leader of ICAN of , MS

> >

> > Many Women

> >

> > Many Visions

> >

> > One Scar

> >

> > One Purpose

> >

> > www.ican-online.www

> >

> > www.icanofjacksonmswww.icanofwww

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you! yes, that's what I meant exactly, but didn't stop to spell out the

entire title which I should have done and got it backwards to boot. I just

checked out her card after reading your message too. Will definitely check out

the website. BTW, their entire office is DOs and the father of the current owner

was one of the DOs I'd worked with in the past (well before I understood what

they were about). Their last name is always directly linked with that type of

practice. I'm so pleased w my results. It's not even harder work, either, to do

it this way. I'm so much healthier! Digna

Re: Holistic or Homeopathic Dietitian

>

> Hi ,

> I sure consider myself " holistic " in what I do, and yes, I've been

> listening

> to FMU tapes as Margie Geiser suggests, for about 3 years (or is it 5?) at

> least.

>

> What is Holistic practice? I started that when we studied holistic medicine

>

> as a college student back in 1981. It's sad that so many people think it's

> quackery this late in the game.

>

> Holistic just means you look at the " whole person. "

>

> If a person is being treated for lung cancer, asks your advice about diet,

> and you realize that she has mothballs scattered about her home to cover up

> dog

> smells, do you ignore the toxins in her home and just counsel on diet? Or,

> do you notify her doctor, that's never visited her home, and have them/her

> address the toxins she's breathing in daily? That's holistic.

>

> If a person is dealing with an eating disorder, and their spouse is

> constantly belittleing them about their weight, do you ignore this piece of

> info? Or

> address how that " part " of their ED? A holistic RD would address the

> psych/lifestyle issues around this person. A non-holistic RD would probably

> not even

> bother to pursue this piece of info.

>

> If a person has a mold allergy to yeast, mushrooms and candida, do you just

>

> address diet? OR, do you find out if they have a 20 year old pillow and

> mildew

> growing in their bedroom or workplace, and address that too? A

> non-holistic RD would just address diet. A holistic RD would address diet

> AND lifestyle

> issues that may be contributing.

>

> If a client doesn't have the funds to purchase decent food, to you just

> throw up your hands and let the patient be malnourished? Or do you

> help/counsel

> on sources of funds/low income support/food banks/food stamps/whatever, to

> help them meet their needs? A holistic RD looks at the big picture. A

> non-holistic RD would just throw up their hands and decide there is nothing

> that

> they, as the RD, can do. . .

>

> Okay, hopefully you get my point. To me, to ignore lifestyle issues

> surrounding diet is to be a lousy RD.

>

> Just some comments off the top of my head. . . I'm sure others may have

> even

> better examples.

>

> So, do you have to go to school to be a holistic RD? Yes/no? Schools aren't

>

> the only way you learn stuff - there's always reliable medical texts, cont

> ed programs, Functional Medicine Updates, CCN degrees, etc, etc. . . And,

> yes, Bastyr or other universities that teach complementary and functional

> medicine.

>

> In a message dated 9/20/2008 6:48:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> cindyhudson00@... <cindyhudson00%40yahoo.com> writes:

>

> Are any of you holistic or homeopathic dietitians? I would love to find out

>

> more information on studying and teaching the more natural approach to

> nutrition. If you know of any online teaching or schools, please let me

> know!

> Thanks

>

> Hudson MS,RD,LD

>

> Chapter Leader of ICAN of , MS

>

> Many Women

>

> Many Visions

>

> One Scar

>

> One Purpose

>

> www.ican-online.www

>

> www.icanofjacksonmswww.icanofwww

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you! yes, that's what I meant exactly, but didn't stop to spell out the

entire title which I should have done and got it backwards to boot. I just

checked out her card after reading your message too. Will definitely check out

the website. BTW, their entire office is DOs and the father of the current owner

was one of the DOs I'd worked with in the past (well before I understood what

they were about). Their last name is always directly linked with that type of

practice. I'm so pleased w my results. It's not even harder work, either, to do

it this way. I'm so much healthier! Digna

Re: Holistic or Homeopathic Dietitian

>

> Hi ,

> I sure consider myself " holistic " in what I do, and yes, I've been

> listening

> to FMU tapes as Margie Geiser suggests, for about 3 years (or is it 5?) at

> least.

>

> What is Holistic practice? I started that when we studied holistic medicine

>

> as a college student back in 1981. It's sad that so many people think it's

> quackery this late in the game.

>

> Holistic just means you look at the " whole person. "

>

> If a person is being treated for lung cancer, asks your advice about diet,

> and you realize that she has mothballs scattered about her home to cover up

> dog

> smells, do you ignore the toxins in her home and just counsel on diet? Or,

> do you notify her doctor, that's never visited her home, and have them/her

> address the toxins she's breathing in daily? That's holistic.

>

> If a person is dealing with an eating disorder, and their spouse is

> constantly belittleing them about their weight, do you ignore this piece of

> info? Or

> address how that " part " of their ED? A holistic RD would address the

> psych/lifestyle issues around this person. A non-holistic RD would probably

> not even

> bother to pursue this piece of info.

>

> If a person has a mold allergy to yeast, mushrooms and candida, do you just

>

> address diet? OR, do you find out if they have a 20 year old pillow and

> mildew

> growing in their bedroom or workplace, and address that too? A

> non-holistic RD would just address diet. A holistic RD would address diet

> AND lifestyle

> issues that may be contributing.

>

> If a client doesn't have the funds to purchase decent food, to you just

> throw up your hands and let the patient be malnourished? Or do you

> help/counsel

> on sources of funds/low income support/food banks/food stamps/whatever, to

> help them meet their needs? A holistic RD looks at the big picture. A

> non-holistic RD would just throw up their hands and decide there is nothing

> that

> they, as the RD, can do. . .

>

> Okay, hopefully you get my point. To me, to ignore lifestyle issues

> surrounding diet is to be a lousy RD.

>

> Just some comments off the top of my head. . . I'm sure others may have

> even

> better examples.

>

> So, do you have to go to school to be a holistic RD? Yes/no? Schools aren't

>

> the only way you learn stuff - there's always reliable medical texts, cont

> ed programs, Functional Medicine Updates, CCN degrees, etc, etc. . . And,

> yes, Bastyr or other universities that teach complementary and functional

> medicine.

>

> In a message dated 9/20/2008 6:48:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> cindyhudson00@... <cindyhudson00%40yahoo.com> writes:

>

> Are any of you holistic or homeopathic dietitians? I would love to find out

>

> more information on studying and teaching the more natural approach to

> nutrition. If you know of any online teaching or schools, please let me

> know!

> Thanks

>

> Hudson MS,RD,LD

>

> Chapter Leader of ICAN of , MS

>

> Many Women

>

> Many Visions

>

> One Scar

>

> One Purpose

>

> www.ican-online.www

>

> www.icanofjacksonmswww.icanofwww

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you! yes, that's what I meant exactly, but didn't stop to spell out the

entire title which I should have done and got it backwards to boot. I just

checked out her card after reading your message too. Will definitely check out

the website. BTW, their entire office is DOs and the father of the current owner

was one of the DOs I'd worked with in the past (well before I understood what

they were about). Their last name is always directly linked with that type of

practice. I'm so pleased w my results. It's not even harder work, either, to do

it this way. I'm so much healthier! Digna

Re: Holistic or Homeopathic Dietitian

>

> Hi ,

> I sure consider myself " holistic " in what I do, and yes, I've been

> listening

> to FMU tapes as Margie Geiser suggests, for about 3 years (or is it 5?) at

> least.

>

> What is Holistic practice? I started that when we studied holistic medicine

>

> as a college student back in 1981. It's sad that so many people think it's

> quackery this late in the game.

>

> Holistic just means you look at the " whole person. "

>

> If a person is being treated for lung cancer, asks your advice about diet,

> and you realize that she has mothballs scattered about her home to cover up

> dog

> smells, do you ignore the toxins in her home and just counsel on diet? Or,

> do you notify her doctor, that's never visited her home, and have them/her

> address the toxins she's breathing in daily? That's holistic.

>

> If a person is dealing with an eating disorder, and their spouse is

> constantly belittleing them about their weight, do you ignore this piece of

> info? Or

> address how that " part " of their ED? A holistic RD would address the

> psych/lifestyle issues around this person. A non-holistic RD would probably

> not even

> bother to pursue this piece of info.

>

> If a person has a mold allergy to yeast, mushrooms and candida, do you just

>

> address diet? OR, do you find out if they have a 20 year old pillow and

> mildew

> growing in their bedroom or workplace, and address that too? A

> non-holistic RD would just address diet. A holistic RD would address diet

> AND lifestyle

> issues that may be contributing.

>

> If a client doesn't have the funds to purchase decent food, to you just

> throw up your hands and let the patient be malnourished? Or do you

> help/counsel

> on sources of funds/low income support/food banks/food stamps/whatever, to

> help them meet their needs? A holistic RD looks at the big picture. A

> non-holistic RD would just throw up their hands and decide there is nothing

> that

> they, as the RD, can do. . .

>

> Okay, hopefully you get my point. To me, to ignore lifestyle issues

> surrounding diet is to be a lousy RD.

>

> Just some comments off the top of my head. . . I'm sure others may have

> even

> better examples.

>

> So, do you have to go to school to be a holistic RD? Yes/no? Schools aren't

>

> the only way you learn stuff - there's always reliable medical texts, cont

> ed programs, Functional Medicine Updates, CCN degrees, etc, etc. . . And,

> yes, Bastyr or other universities that teach complementary and functional

> medicine.

>

> In a message dated 9/20/2008 6:48:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> cindyhudson00@... <cindyhudson00%40yahoo.com> writes:

>

> Are any of you holistic or homeopathic dietitians? I would love to find out

>

> more information on studying and teaching the more natural approach to

> nutrition. If you know of any online teaching or schools, please let me

> know!

> Thanks

>

> Hudson MS,RD,LD

>

> Chapter Leader of ICAN of , MS

>

> Many Women

>

> Many Visions

>

> One Scar

>

> One Purpose

>

> www.ican-online.www

>

> www.icanofjacksonmswww.icanofwww

>

>

[Guest guest]

Funny you should say that about tonsils. Growing up in PR we had a wonderful

family physician who was also one of my father's fishing buddies and close

friends. His widow is still one of my parents' closest friends. He would never

agree to remove my tonsils or my brothers, in spite of my frequent sore throats,

asthma, and bronchitis. He insisted there was no other way for the body to

filter out some of the impurities as I recall, although it was so long ago that

the memory is dim and the rationale is probably imagined or misunderstood. He

said as I grew up/older, the infections would stop and I'd " outgrow " them and

the sore throats, and that w/o them, I would not be able to fight infections. My

brother and I were one of the few kids then that escape the dreaded

tonsilectomy. And guess what? Eventually I outgrew the whole problem.

Digna

Re: Holistic or Homeopathic Dietitian

> >

> > Hi ,

> > I sure consider myself " holistic " in what I do, and yes, I've been

> > listening

> > to FMU tapes as Margie Geiser suggests, for about 3 years (or is it

> 5?) at

> > least.

> >

> > What is Holistic practice? I started that when we studied holistic

> medicine

> >

> > as a college student back in 1981. It's sad that so many people

> think it's

> > quackery this late in the game.

> >

> > Holistic just means you look at the " whole person. "

> >

> > If a person is being treated for lung cancer, asks your advice about

> diet,

> > and you realize that she has mothballs scattered about her home to

> cover up

> > dog

> > smells, do you ignore the toxins in her home and just counsel on

> diet? Or,

> > do you notify her doctor, that's never visited her home, and have

> them/her

> > address the toxins she's breathing in daily? That's holistic.

> >

> > If a person is dealing with an eating disorder, and their spouse is

> > constantly belittleing them about their weight, do you ignore this

> piece of

> > info? Or

> > address how that " part " of their ED? A holistic RD would address the

> > psych/lifestyle issues around this person. A non-holistic RD would

> probably

> > not even

> > bother to pursue this piece of info.

> >

> > If a person has a mold allergy to yeast, mushrooms and candida, do

> you just

> >

> > address diet? OR, do you find out if they have a 20 year old pillow and

> > mildew

> > growing in their bedroom or workplace, and address that too? A

> > non-holistic RD would just address diet. A holistic RD would address

> diet

> > AND lifestyle

> > issues that may be contributing.

> >

> > If a client doesn't have the funds to purchase decent food, to you just

> > throw up your hands and let the patient be malnourished? Or do you

> > help/counsel

> > on sources of funds/low income support/food banks/food

> stamps/whatever, to

> > help them meet their needs? A holistic RD looks at the big picture. A

> > non-holistic RD would just throw up their hands and decide there is

> nothing

> > that

> > they, as the RD, can do. . .

> >

> > Okay, hopefully you get my point. To me, to ignore lifestyle issues

> > surrounding diet is to be a lousy RD.

> >

> > Just some comments off the top of my head. . . I'm sure others may have

> > even

> > better examples.

> >

> > So, do you have to go to school to be a holistic RD? Yes/no? Schools

> aren't

> >

> > the only way you learn stuff - there's always reliable medical

> texts, cont

> > ed programs, Functional Medicine Updates, CCN degrees, etc, etc. . .

> And,

> > yes, Bastyr or other universities that teach complementary and

> functional

> > medicine.

> >

> > In a message dated 9/20/2008 6:48:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> > cindyhudson00@... <mailto:cindyhudson00%40yahoo.com>

> <cindyhudson00%40yahoo.com> writes:

> >

> > Are any of you holistic or homeopathic dietitians? I would love to

> find out

> >

> > more information on studying and teaching the more natural approach to

> > nutrition. If you know of any online teaching or schools, please let me

> > know!

> > Thanks

> >

> > Hudson MS,RD,LD

> >

> > Chapter Leader of ICAN of , MS

> >

> > Many Women

> >

> > Many Visions

> >

> > One Scar

> >

> > One Purpose

> >

> > www.ican-online.www

> >

> > www.icanofjacksonmswww.icanofwww

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Funny you should say that about tonsils. Growing up in PR we had a wonderful

family physician who was also one of my father's fishing buddies and close

friends. His widow is still one of my parents' closest friends. He would never

agree to remove my tonsils or my brothers, in spite of my frequent sore throats,

asthma, and bronchitis. He insisted there was no other way for the body to

filter out some of the impurities as I recall, although it was so long ago that

the memory is dim and the rationale is probably imagined or misunderstood. He

said as I grew up/older, the infections would stop and I'd " outgrow " them and

the sore throats, and that w/o them, I would not be able to fight infections. My

brother and I were one of the few kids then that escape the dreaded

tonsilectomy. And guess what? Eventually I outgrew the whole problem.

Digna

Re: Holistic or Homeopathic Dietitian

> >

> > Hi ,

> > I sure consider myself " holistic " in what I do, and yes, I've been

> > listening

> > to FMU tapes as Margie Geiser suggests, for about 3 years (or is it

> 5?) at

> > least.

> >

> > What is Holistic practice? I started that when we studied holistic

> medicine

> >

> > as a college student back in 1981. It's sad that so many people

> think it's

> > quackery this late in the game.

> >

> > Holistic just means you look at the " whole person. "

> >

> > If a person is being treated for lung cancer, asks your advice about

> diet,

> > and you realize that she has mothballs scattered about her home to

> cover up

> > dog

> > smells, do you ignore the toxins in her home and just counsel on

> diet? Or,

> > do you notify her doctor, that's never visited her home, and have

> them/her

> > address the toxins she's breathing in daily? That's holistic.

> >

> > If a person is dealing with an eating disorder, and their spouse is

> > constantly belittleing them about their weight, do you ignore this

> piece of

> > info? Or

> > address how that " part " of their ED? A holistic RD would address the

> > psych/lifestyle issues around this person. A non-holistic RD would

> probably

> > not even

> > bother to pursue this piece of info.

> >

> > If a person has a mold allergy to yeast, mushrooms and candida, do

> you just

> >

> > address diet? OR, do you find out if they have a 20 year old pillow and

> > mildew

> > growing in their bedroom or workplace, and address that too? A

> > non-holistic RD would just address diet. A holistic RD would address

> diet

> > AND lifestyle

> > issues that may be contributing.

> >

> > If a client doesn't have the funds to purchase decent food, to you just

> > throw up your hands and let the patient be malnourished? Or do you

> > help/counsel

> > on sources of funds/low income support/food banks/food

> stamps/whatever, to

> > help them meet their needs? A holistic RD looks at the big picture. A

> > non-holistic RD would just throw up their hands and decide there is

> nothing

> > that

> > they, as the RD, can do. . .

> >

> > Okay, hopefully you get my point. To me, to ignore lifestyle issues

> > surrounding diet is to be a lousy RD.

> >

> > Just some comments off the top of my head. . . I'm sure others may have

> > even

> > better examples.

> >

> > So, do you have to go to school to be a holistic RD? Yes/no? Schools

> aren't

> >

> > the only way you learn stuff - there's always reliable medical

> texts, cont

> > ed programs, Functional Medicine Updates, CCN degrees, etc, etc. . .

> And,

> > yes, Bastyr or other universities that teach complementary and

> functional

> > medicine.

> >

> > In a message dated 9/20/2008 6:48:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> > cindyhudson00@... <mailto:cindyhudson00%40yahoo.com>

> <cindyhudson00%40yahoo.com> writes:

> >

> > Are any of you holistic or homeopathic dietitians? I would love to

> find out

> >

> > more information on studying and teaching the more natural approach to

> > nutrition. If you know of any online teaching or schools, please let me

> > know!

> > Thanks

> >

> > Hudson MS,RD,LD

> >

> > Chapter Leader of ICAN of , MS

> >

> > Many Women

> >

> > Many Visions

> >

> > One Scar

> >

> > One Purpose

> >

> > www.ican-online.www

> >

> > www.icanofjacksonmswww.icanofwww

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Funny you should say that about tonsils. Growing up in PR we had a wonderful

family physician who was also one of my father's fishing buddies and close

friends. His widow is still one of my parents' closest friends. He would never

agree to remove my tonsils or my brothers, in spite of my frequent sore throats,

asthma, and bronchitis. He insisted there was no other way for the body to

filter out some of the impurities as I recall, although it was so long ago that

the memory is dim and the rationale is probably imagined or misunderstood. He

said as I grew up/older, the infections would stop and I'd " outgrow " them and

the sore throats, and that w/o them, I would not be able to fight infections. My

brother and I were one of the few kids then that escape the dreaded

tonsilectomy. And guess what? Eventually I outgrew the whole problem.

Digna

Re: Holistic or Homeopathic Dietitian

> >

> > Hi ,

> > I sure consider myself " holistic " in what I do, and yes, I've been

> > listening

> > to FMU tapes as Margie Geiser suggests, for about 3 years (or is it

> 5?) at

> > least.

> >

> > What is Holistic practice? I started that when we studied holistic

> medicine

> >

> > as a college student back in 1981. It's sad that so many people

> think it's

> > quackery this late in the game.

> >

> > Holistic just means you look at the " whole person. "

> >

> > If a person is being treated for lung cancer, asks your advice about

> diet,

> > and you realize that she has mothballs scattered about her home to

> cover up

> > dog

> > smells, do you ignore the toxins in her home and just counsel on

> diet? Or,

> > do you notify her doctor, that's never visited her home, and have

> them/her

> > address the toxins she's breathing in daily? That's holistic.

> >

> > If a person is dealing with an eating disorder, and their spouse is

> > constantly belittleing them about their weight, do you ignore this

> piece of

> > info? Or

> > address how that " part " of their ED? A holistic RD would address the

> > psych/lifestyle issues around this person. A non-holistic RD would

> probably

> > not even

> > bother to pursue this piece of info.

> >

> > If a person has a mold allergy to yeast, mushrooms and candida, do

> you just

> >

> > address diet? OR, do you find out if they have a 20 year old pillow and

> > mildew

> > growing in their bedroom or workplace, and address that too? A

> > non-holistic RD would just address diet. A holistic RD would address

> diet

> > AND lifestyle

> > issues that may be contributing.

> >

> > If a client doesn't have the funds to purchase decent food, to you just

> > throw up your hands and let the patient be malnourished? Or do you

> > help/counsel

> > on sources of funds/low income support/food banks/food

> stamps/whatever, to

> > help them meet their needs? A holistic RD looks at the big picture. A

> > non-holistic RD would just throw up their hands and decide there is

> nothing

> > that

> > they, as the RD, can do. . .

> >

> > Okay, hopefully you get my point. To me, to ignore lifestyle issues

> > surrounding diet is to be a lousy RD.

> >

> > Just some comments off the top of my head. . . I'm sure others may have

> > even

> > better examples.

> >

> > So, do you have to go to school to be a holistic RD? Yes/no? Schools

> aren't

> >

> > the only way you learn stuff - there's always reliable medical

> texts, cont

> > ed programs, Functional Medicine Updates, CCN degrees, etc, etc. . .

> And,

> > yes, Bastyr or other universities that teach complementary and

> functional

> > medicine.

> >

> > In a message dated 9/20/2008 6:48:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> > cindyhudson00@... <mailto:cindyhudson00%40yahoo.com>

> <cindyhudson00%40yahoo.com> writes:

> >

> > Are any of you holistic or homeopathic dietitians? I would love to

> find out

> >

> > more information on studying and teaching the more natural approach to

> > nutrition. If you know of any online teaching or schools, please let me

> > know!

> > Thanks

> >

> > Hudson MS,RD,LD

> >

> > Chapter Leader of ICAN of , MS

> >

> > Many Women

> >

> > Many Visions

> >

> > One Scar

> >

> > One Purpose

> >

> > www.ican-online.www

> >

> > www.icanofjacksonmswww.icanofwww

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Pat,

In our very small town we had 2 MDs (twins) that did tonsillectomies as

routine get-ready-to-go to first grade procedure. They did it in their

office and sent the kids home within hours of the surgery. In 1942, my

sister died the afternoon after hers were removed.

Luana Tomchak, MHE, RD, LD, CDE

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

Pat Bollinger

Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:08 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Holistic or Homeopathic Dietitian

As a daughter of a DO I was going to make a similar comment as

Renata's. ODs are Doctors of Optometry. When I grew up, in the 40's

and 50's, and even later DOs were regarded with some skepticism as

" bone-crackers, etc in spite of their training in manipulation on top of

what MDs learn. The whole patient healthy lifestyle philosophy of DOs

has deep roots. When I was young for example MDs were performing

tonsillectomies almost routinely, sometimes operating pn all the kids in

a family at one time. My dad insisted that tonsils were there for a

purpose and seemed to be in the minority in our small town in not going

for that routine elective surgery.

Pat

Renata Oliveira Mangrum wrote:

>

> Digna,

> You mean a DO (Doctor of Osteopathy). Over the past year, we met a DO so I

> quickly learned what they are all about. They are very wellness

> focused and

> they also have a traditional medical degree with additional study in

> osteopathy. They also have the same struggles as RDs do in getting the

> word

> out about their profession. Once, Time magazine featured a DO and instead

> called him an MD on the front cover. For more information on DOs,

> check out:

> http://www.osteopathic.org/. <http://www.osteopathic.org/>

<http://www.osteopathic.org/. <http://www.osteopathic.org/> > I will

> definitely seek a DO when the need for a

> physician arises.

> Renata

>

> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Digna Cassens

> <dignacassens@... <mailto:dignacassens%40verizon.net>

<mailto:dignacassens%40verizon.net>>wrote:

>

> > Jan:

> >

> > I couldn't agree with you more! Last year I changed MD groups and

> started

> > to see a young OD (Osteaopath). Although I had previous professional

> > experience with ODs, I'd never had any personal experience with

> them. First

> > goal she established for/with me was to decrease my BP meds (4) when

> > possible and very conservatively. A year later my BP is mostly

> normal and

> > went from 157/93 to 110/80 and we decreased to 3 BP meds.

> >

> > What did she do differently? She does not pull out her script pad every

> > time I see her, she guides me to a different life-style, allows me to

> > tolerage more pain w/o the use of meds, helps me balance my

> life-style and

> > respects my choices. Although I know what and how to eat, she knows many

> > other ways to attain and retain good health and weelbeing at my age,

> and she

> > cares about how I do it and the quality of my life.

> >

> > We've discussed food choices (she likes that I know about those and tell

> > her many); I referred her to my accupuncturist and chiropractor so

> that she

> > would have good ones to refer her other patients to, especially

> those with

> > chronic pain like me (foot and back) and call on herself if she

> needed them

> > (probably quite a few years off judging by her age and health right

> now);

> > she referred me to a podiatrist and foot orthopedic surgeon, both who

> > recommended surgery, yet she agreed w me that it's still too early

> for me to

> > remotely consider any surgery as long as I can use other paliative

> methods

> > that keep me med/drug free. How different from my previous

> experiences when

> > MDs filled me full of narcotics and did nothing else. Dont get me

> wrong, I

> > never filled those Rxs, I just tore them up on the way home and

> continued to

> > treat myself in other ways, which is how I found a good chiropractor and

> > excellent accupunturist.

> >

> > I will not trade MDs now for anything else, and look forward to my

> visits

> > every 6 months so we can set new goals and keep me at what I

> consider a very

> > high level of --- gee, I can't say functioning, just high level and

> feeling

> > so good! Unless we change our approaches, our old age won't have any

> > quality. Maybe our work won't either.

> >

> > Digna Cassens, MHA, RD

> > http://groups.msn.com/RDForum <http://groups.msn.com/RDForum>

> > Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly

> you are

> > doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis

> >

> >

> > Re: Holistic or Homeopathic Dietitian

> >

> > Hi ,

> > I sure consider myself " holistic " in what I do, and yes, I've been

> > listening

> > to FMU tapes as Margie Geiser suggests, for about 3 years (or is it

> 5?) at

> > least.

> >

> > What is Holistic practice? I started that when we studied holistic

> medicine

> >

> > as a college student back in 1981. It's sad that so many people

> think it's

> > quackery this late in the game.

> >

> > Holistic just means you look at the " whole person. "

> >

> > If a person is being treated for lung cancer, asks your advice about

> diet,

> > and you realize that she has mothballs scattered about her home to

> cover up

> > dog

> > smells, do you ignore the toxins in her home and just counsel on

> diet? Or,

> > do you notify her doctor, that's never visited her home, and have

> them/her

> > address the toxins she's breathing in daily? That's holistic.

> >

> > If a person is dealing with an eating disorder, and their spouse is

> > constantly belittleing them about their weight, do you ignore this

> piece of

> > info? Or

> > address how that " part " of their ED? A holistic RD would address the

> > psych/lifestyle issues around this person. A non-holistic RD would

> probably

> > not even

> > bother to pursue this piece of info.

> >

> > If a person has a mold allergy to yeast, mushrooms and candida, do

> you just

> >

> > address diet? OR, do you find out if they have a 20 year old pillow and

> > mildew

> > growing in their bedroom or workplace, and address that too? A

> > non-holistic RD would just address diet. A holistic RD would address

> diet

> > AND lifestyle

> > issues that may be contributing.

> >

> > If a client doesn't have the funds to purchase decent food, to you just

> > throw up your hands and let the patient be malnourished? Or do you

> > help/counsel

> > on sources of funds/low income support/food banks/food

> stamps/whatever, to

> > help them meet their needs? A holistic RD looks at the big picture. A

> > non-holistic RD would just throw up their hands and decide there is

> nothing

> > that

> > they, as the RD, can do. . .

> >

> > Okay, hopefully you get my point. To me, to ignore lifestyle issues

> > surrounding diet is to be a lousy RD.

> >

> > Just some comments off the top of my head. . . I'm sure others may have

> > even

> > better examples.

> >

> > So, do you have to go to school to be a holistic RD? Yes/no? Schools

> aren't

> >

> > the only way you learn stuff - there's always reliable medical

> texts, cont

> > ed programs, Functional Medicine Updates, CCN degrees, etc, etc. . .

> And,

> > yes, Bastyr or other universities that teach complementary and

> functional

> > medicine.

> >

> > In a message dated 9/20/2008 6:48:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> > cindyhudson00@... <mailto:cindyhudson00%40yahoo.com>

<mailto:cindyhudson00%40yahoo.com>

> <cindyhudson00%40yahoo.com> writes:

> >

> > Are any of you holistic or homeopathic dietitians? I would love to

> find out

> >

> > more information on studying and teaching the more natural approach to

> > nutrition. If you know of any online teaching or schools, please let me

> > know!

> > Thanks

> >

> > Hudson MS,RD,LD

> >

> > Chapter Leader of ICAN of , MS

> >

> > Many Women

> >

> > Many Visions

> >

> > One Scar

> >

> > One Purpose

> >

> > www.ican-online.www

> >

> > www.icanofjacksonmswww.icanofwww

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Renata,

I echo your comments regarding the understanding that people have regarding

different professionals and their work/knowledge. I had the wonderful

opportunity to teach at a local massage school and was very impressed with the

detail of Human Anatomy and Physiology that they were required to know. Not

knowing very much about RD's until this group, except for knowing a Female RD

who gave very ill advise to my husband, I am delighted at how similar the

professions are when the focus is on helping people rather than spreading ill

information about the different professions. Not wrong, just different !!!

Jayne Digby-New, D.C., R.Y.T, retired LLL

---- Original Message -----

From: Renata Oliveira Mangrum

To: rd-usa

Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:12 AM

Subject: Re: Holistic or Homeopathic Dietitian

Digna,

You mean a DO (Doctor of Osteopathy). Over the past year, we met a DO so I

quickly learned what they are all about. They are very wellness focused and

they also have a traditional medical degree with additional study in

osteopathy. They also have the same struggles as RDs do in getting the word

out about their profession. Once, Time magazine featured a DO and instead

called him an MD on the front cover. For more information on DOs, check out:

http://www.osteopathic.org/. I will definitely seek a DO when the need for a

physician arises.

Renata

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Digna Cassens

wrote:

> Jan:

>

> I couldn't agree with you more! Last year I changed MD groups and started

> to see a young OD (Osteaopath). Although I had previous professional

> experience with ODs, I'd never had any personal experience with them. First

> goal she established for/with me was to decrease my BP meds (4) when

> possible and very conservatively. A year later my BP is mostly normal and

> went from 157/93 to 110/80 and we decreased to 3 BP meds.

>

> What did she do differently? She does not pull out her script pad every

> time I see her, she guides me to a different life-style, allows me to

> tolerage more pain w/o the use of meds, helps me balance my life-style and

> respects my choices. Although I know what and how to eat, she knows many

> other ways to attain and retain good health and weelbeing at my age, and she

> cares about how I do it and the quality of my life.

>

> We've discussed food choices (she likes that I know about those and tell

> her many); I referred her to my accupuncturist and chiropractor so that she

> would have good ones to refer her other patients to, especially those with

> chronic pain like me (foot and back) and call on herself if she needed them

> (probably quite a few years off judging by her age and health right now);

> she referred me to a podiatrist and foot orthopedic surgeon, both who

> recommended surgery, yet she agreed w me that it's still too early for me to

> remotely consider any surgery as long as I can use other paliative methods

> that keep me med/drug free. How different from my previous experiences when

> MDs filled me full of narcotics and did nothing else. Dont get me wrong, I

> never filled those Rxs, I just tore them up on the way home and continued to

> treat myself in other ways, which is how I found a good chiropractor and

> excellent accupunturist.

>

> I will not trade MDs now for anything else, and look forward to my visits

> every 6 months so we can set new goals and keep me at what I consider a very

> high level of --- gee, I can't say functioning, just high level and feeling

> so good! Unless we change our approaches, our old age won't have any

> quality. Maybe our work won't either.

>

> Digna Cassens, MHA, RD

> http://groups.msn.com/RDForum

> Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are

> doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis

>

>

> Re: Holistic or Homeopathic Dietitian

>

> Hi ,

> I sure consider myself " holistic " in what I do, and yes, I've been

> listening

> to FMU tapes as Margie Geiser suggests, for about 3 years (or is it 5?) at

> least.

>

> What is Holistic practice? I started that when we studied holistic medicine

>

> as a college student back in 1981. It's sad that so many people think it's

> quackery this late in the game.

>

> Holistic just means you look at the " whole person. "

>

> If a person is being treated for lung cancer, asks your advice about diet,

> and you realize that she has mothballs scattered about her home to cover up

> dog

> smells, do you ignore the toxins in her home and just counsel on diet? Or,

> do you notify her doctor, that's never visited her home, and have them/her

> address the toxins she's breathing in daily? That's holistic.

>

> If a person is dealing with an eating disorder, and their spouse is

> constantly belittleing them about their weight, do you ignore this piece of

> info? Or

> address how that " part " of their ED? A holistic RD would address the

> psych/lifestyle issues around this person. A non-holistic RD would probably

> not even

> bother to pursue this piece of info.

>

> If a person has a mold allergy to yeast, mushrooms and candida, do you just

>

> address diet? OR, do you find out if they have a 20 year old pillow and

> mildew

> growing in their bedroom or workplace, and address that too? A

> non-holistic RD would just address diet. A holistic RD would address diet

> AND lifestyle

> issues that may be contributing.

>

> If a client doesn't have the funds to purchase decent food, to you just

> throw up your hands and let the patient be malnourished? Or do you

> help/counsel

> on sources of funds/low income support/food banks/food stamps/whatever, to

> help them meet their needs? A holistic RD looks at the big picture. A

> non-holistic RD would just throw up their hands and decide there is nothing

> that

> they, as the RD, can do. . .

>

> Okay, hopefully you get my point. To me, to ignore lifestyle issues

> surrounding diet is to be a lousy RD.

>

> Just some comments off the top of my head. . . I'm sure others may have

> even

> better examples.

>

> So, do you have to go to school to be a holistic RD? Yes/no? Schools aren't

>

> the only way you learn stuff - there's always reliable medical texts, cont

> ed programs, Functional Medicine Updates, CCN degrees, etc, etc. . . And,

> yes, Bastyr or other universities that teach complementary and functional

> medicine.

>

> In a message dated 9/20/2008 6:48:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> cindyhudson00@... <cindyhudson00%40yahoo.com> writes:

>

> Are any of you holistic or homeopathic dietitians? I would love to find out

>

> more information on studying and teaching the more natural approach to

> nutrition. If you know of any online teaching or schools, please let me

> know!

> Thanks

>

> Hudson MS,RD,LD

>

> Chapter Leader of ICAN of , MS

>

> Many Women

>

> Many Visions

>

> One Scar

>

> One Purpose

>

> www.ican-online.www

>

> www.icanofjacksonmswww.icanofwww

>

>

[Guest guest]

Renata,

I echo your comments regarding the understanding that people have regarding

different professionals and their work/knowledge. I had the wonderful

opportunity to teach at a local massage school and was very impressed with the

detail of Human Anatomy and Physiology that they were required to know. Not

knowing very much about RD's until this group, except for knowing a Female RD

who gave very ill advise to my husband, I am delighted at how similar the

professions are when the focus is on helping people rather than spreading ill

information about the different professions. Not wrong, just different !!!

Jayne Digby-New, D.C., R.Y.T, retired LLL

---- Original Message -----

From: Renata Oliveira Mangrum

To: rd-usa

Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:12 AM

Subject: Re: Holistic or Homeopathic Dietitian

Digna,

You mean a DO (Doctor of Osteopathy). Over the past year, we met a DO so I

quickly learned what they are all about. They are very wellness focused and

they also have a traditional medical degree with additional study in

osteopathy. They also have the same struggles as RDs do in getting the word

out about their profession. Once, Time magazine featured a DO and instead

called him an MD on the front cover. For more information on DOs, check out:

http://www.osteopathic.org/. I will definitely seek a DO when the need for a

physician arises.

Renata

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Digna Cassens

wrote:

> Jan:

>

> I couldn't agree with you more! Last year I changed MD groups and started

> to see a young OD (Osteaopath). Although I had previous professional

> experience with ODs, I'd never had any personal experience with them. First

> goal she established for/with me was to decrease my BP meds (4) when

> possible and very conservatively. A year later my BP is mostly normal and

> went from 157/93 to 110/80 and we decreased to 3 BP meds.

>

> What did she do differently? She does not pull out her script pad every

> time I see her, she guides me to a different life-style, allows me to

> tolerage more pain w/o the use of meds, helps me balance my life-style and

> respects my choices. Although I know what and how to eat, she knows many

> other ways to attain and retain good health and weelbeing at my age, and she

> cares about how I do it and the quality of my life.

>

> We've discussed food choices (she likes that I know about those and tell

> her many); I referred her to my accupuncturist and chiropractor so that she

> would have good ones to refer her other patients to, especially those with

> chronic pain like me (foot and back) and call on herself if she needed them

> (probably quite a few years off judging by her age and health right now);

> she referred me to a podiatrist and foot orthopedic surgeon, both who

> recommended surgery, yet she agreed w me that it's still too early for me to

> remotely consider any surgery as long as I can use other paliative methods

> that keep me med/drug free. How different from my previous experiences when

> MDs filled me full of narcotics and did nothing else. Dont get me wrong, I

> never filled those Rxs, I just tore them up on the way home and continued to

> treat myself in other ways, which is how I found a good chiropractor and

> excellent accupunturist.

>

> I will not trade MDs now for anything else, and look forward to my visits

> every 6 months so we can set new goals and keep me at what I consider a very

> high level of --- gee, I can't say functioning, just high level and feeling

> so good! Unless we change our approaches, our old age won't have any

> quality. Maybe our work won't either.

>

> Digna Cassens, MHA, RD

> http://groups.msn.com/RDForum

> Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are

> doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis

>

>

> Re: Holistic or Homeopathic Dietitian

>

> Hi ,

> I sure consider myself " holistic " in what I do, and yes, I've been

> listening

> to FMU tapes as Margie Geiser suggests, for about 3 years (or is it 5?) at

> least.

>

> What is Holistic practice? I started that when we studied holistic medicine

>

> as a college student back in 1981. It's sad that so many people think it's

> quackery this late in the game.

>

> Holistic just means you look at the " whole person. "

>

> If a person is being treated for lung cancer, asks your advice about diet,

> and you realize that she has mothballs scattered about her home to cover up

> dog

> smells, do you ignore the toxins in her home and just counsel on diet? Or,

> do you notify her doctor, that's never visited her home, and have them/her

> address the toxins she's breathing in daily? That's holistic.

>

> If a person is dealing with an eating disorder, and their spouse is

> constantly belittleing them about their weight, do you ignore this piece of

> info? Or

> address how that " part " of their ED? A holistic RD would address the

> psych/lifestyle issues around this person. A non-holistic RD would probably

> not even

> bother to pursue this piece of info.

>

> If a person has a mold allergy to yeast, mushrooms and candida, do you just

>

> address diet? OR, do you find out if they have a 20 year old pillow and

> mildew

> growing in their bedroom or workplace, and address that too? A

> non-holistic RD would just address diet. A holistic RD would address diet

> AND lifestyle

> issues that may be contributing.

>

> If a client doesn't have the funds to purchase decent food, to you just

> throw up your hands and let the patient be malnourished? Or do you

> help/counsel

> on sources of funds/low income support/food banks/food stamps/whatever, to

> help them meet their needs? A holistic RD looks at the big picture. A

> non-holistic RD would just throw up their hands and decide there is nothing

> that

> they, as the RD, can do. . .

>

> Okay, hopefully you get my point. To me, to ignore lifestyle issues

> surrounding diet is to be a lousy RD.

>

> Just some comments off the top of my head. . . I'm sure others may have

> even

> better examples.

>

> So, do you have to go to school to be a holistic RD? Yes/no? Schools aren't

>

> the only way you learn stuff - there's always reliable medical texts, cont

> ed programs, Functional Medicine Updates, CCN degrees, etc, etc. . . And,

> yes, Bastyr or other universities that teach complementary and functional

> medicine.

>

> In a message dated 9/20/2008 6:48:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> cindyhudson00@... <cindyhudson00%40yahoo.com> writes:

>

> Are any of you holistic or homeopathic dietitians? I would love to find out

>

> more information on studying and teaching the more natural approach to

> nutrition. If you know of any online teaching or schools, please let me

> know!

> Thanks

>

> Hudson MS,RD,LD

>

> Chapter Leader of ICAN of , MS

>

> Many Women

>

> Many Visions

>

> One Scar

>

> One Purpose

>

> www.ican-online.www

>

> www.icanofjacksonmswww.icanofwww

>

>