Re: Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

[Guest guest]

but we have to remember that we aren't normal people and it isn't always

possible to achieve a HBA1c of 5%. There are just so many variables for

each individual. What might be okay for one person it may not be for

another. And we don't know the full medical back ground of each individual.

I know for sure that I would be very happy with a HBA1C between 6 to 6.5%

but it isn't always achievable.

From down under

Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

> >

> >

> > > I was just wondering if anyone else on this list has experienced

this

> > before - a blood pressure med was working great giving me good BP

> control

> > through the whole day, and now it's not doing that anymore. I had been

> on

> > Plendil 5 mg and it was keeping my pressure right around the 120/80

mark

> in

> > the morning and even at night. But it seems the last couple of months,

> for

> > no trackable reason, that it's not cutting the mustard and I've been

> getting

> > readings around 159/100. So my doc switched me to Lisonopril 10 mg, as

> it

> > would be better on the kidneys, in hopes this would control the

pressure

> > better. By itself, I was getting readings around 160/90 or 150/110.

> > Obviously that's NOT good. My nephrologist put me BACK on the Plendil

> and

> > said to keep taking the Lisinopril. Then I had a BP check yesterday at

> my

> > regular doc's office and it was still 140/90 so he said to double up

on

> the

> > Lisinopril and continue taking the Plendil, do a diary on the BPs

during

> the

> > day over a week and then see him next week for follow-up.

> > >

> > > Now I know that the body changes over time and I guess it goes

without

> > saying that what once worked doesn't always. And I also know I have to

> > contend with the proteinuria problem I mentioned a couple of months

> back,

> > although have not been able to afford another lab test to check it

again

> > (thank you very much Medicare, you're so wonderful.)

> > >

> > > My obvious objective is to keep the BP lower and stave off any organ

> > damage, so I take this very seriously, and I am finally starting to

make

> > some weight-loss progress without any " diets " , just eating less of

what

> I

> > usually eat. So I'm making some progress, BS's are good, just not BP.

> > >

> > > Although none of us on here are doctors, has anyone else had a

similar

> > experience and if so what worked for you or do you have any comments

> that

> > might point me to something that DOES work?

> > >

> > > Thanks for your thoughts and input.

> > >

> > > Just sign me " frazzled " .....

> > >

> > > Bill Powers

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Just to add to what was saying about family docs being content with

Hemoglobin A1c levels of 6.0 or above, yes it's lack of discipline by most

patients, as well as their own ignorance of tighter guidelines and walking that

line of not wanting to " agitate " too many of their patients, i.e., their revenue

stream. So they settle for a halfway point to placate most of their patients and

then they can sit back and " hope for the best. "

I choose, however, to adopt the tighter guidelines because I want to keep what I

have and not add to my list of infirmities. Keeping a tighter control will

almost certaily do that.

One thing I do take seriously though is to educate my doctor. Although my doc

back in Baltimore was great at diagnosing me as diabetic, I needed to educate

HIM on some of the finer points like two-hour post prandial readings, carb

counting, etc, so he could in turn pass that on to other patients. I do the same

thing with my doc here in California. I want to give him the benefit of what

I've found to work that he might impart that to other patients. Just because

he's a doc doesn't mean he knows everything, so we should never assume that he

does!

We're all learning things as we go along.

Bill

[Guest guest]

Just to add to what was saying about family docs being content with

Hemoglobin A1c levels of 6.0 or above, yes it's lack of discipline by most

patients, as well as their own ignorance of tighter guidelines and walking that

line of not wanting to " agitate " too many of their patients, i.e., their revenue

stream. So they settle for a halfway point to placate most of their patients and

then they can sit back and " hope for the best. "

I choose, however, to adopt the tighter guidelines because I want to keep what I

have and not add to my list of infirmities. Keeping a tighter control will

almost certaily do that.

One thing I do take seriously though is to educate my doctor. Although my doc

back in Baltimore was great at diagnosing me as diabetic, I needed to educate

HIM on some of the finer points like two-hour post prandial readings, carb

counting, etc, so he could in turn pass that on to other patients. I do the same

thing with my doc here in California. I want to give him the benefit of what

I've found to work that he might impart that to other patients. Just because

he's a doc doesn't mean he knows everything, so we should never assume that he

does!

We're all learning things as we go along.

Bill

[Guest guest]

,

Even though each person is different and has a different medical background, the

" numbers " (hemoglobin A1c) don't lie. That's why it's used as the basis to

determine if someone is diabetic. With discipline I would say it's possible for

most of us diabetics to achieve say 5.5, but yes, it takes that bad word,

DISCIPLINE. No one says it's easy, and we know that, but if being healthier is

our #1 priority then that discipline is what we need to achieve that goal.

We can play numbers games and pat ourselves on the back and say that 6.5 is OK

and blindly think that everything will be alright, but the higher the hemoglobin

A1c is, the more we're gambling with our own health.

I've talked with bunches of people who just refuse to listen to logic. They are

happy to have hemoglobin A1c readings of 6 and even 7 and just don't want to put

out any effort to change their habits to lower that reading and simply " hope for

the best. " I've run into many people who religiously followed all the " old

school " stuff for years and years and guess what? They all had multiple diabetic

complications! I have the chance with a lower reading NOT to end up like that,

so that is my goal. While I may never be " normal " again, I can certainly give it

my best shot and not settle for false security with a " hope for the best. "

I am not saying this to argue or antagonize, but as someone who cares to see

others stay well and to live a long and healthy life. If you are content with

6.5 that is certainly your prerogative, but I hope you will reconsider and try

to get that number down lower, and then you will see how much better you will

feel.

Good luck!

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

,

Even though each person is different and has a different medical background, the

" numbers " (hemoglobin A1c) don't lie. That's why it's used as the basis to

determine if someone is diabetic. With discipline I would say it's possible for

most of us diabetics to achieve say 5.5, but yes, it takes that bad word,

DISCIPLINE. No one says it's easy, and we know that, but if being healthier is

our #1 priority then that discipline is what we need to achieve that goal.

We can play numbers games and pat ourselves on the back and say that 6.5 is OK

and blindly think that everything will be alright, but the higher the hemoglobin

A1c is, the more we're gambling with our own health.

I've talked with bunches of people who just refuse to listen to logic. They are

happy to have hemoglobin A1c readings of 6 and even 7 and just don't want to put

out any effort to change their habits to lower that reading and simply " hope for

the best. " I've run into many people who religiously followed all the " old

school " stuff for years and years and guess what? They all had multiple diabetic

complications! I have the chance with a lower reading NOT to end up like that,

so that is my goal. While I may never be " normal " again, I can certainly give it

my best shot and not settle for false security with a " hope for the best. "

I am not saying this to argue or antagonize, but as someone who cares to see

others stay well and to live a long and healthy life. If you are content with

6.5 that is certainly your prerogative, but I hope you will reconsider and try

to get that number down lower, and then you will see how much better you will

feel.

Good luck!

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

,

Even though each person is different and has a different medical background, the

" numbers " (hemoglobin A1c) don't lie. That's why it's used as the basis to

determine if someone is diabetic. With discipline I would say it's possible for

most of us diabetics to achieve say 5.5, but yes, it takes that bad word,

DISCIPLINE. No one says it's easy, and we know that, but if being healthier is

our #1 priority then that discipline is what we need to achieve that goal.

We can play numbers games and pat ourselves on the back and say that 6.5 is OK

and blindly think that everything will be alright, but the higher the hemoglobin

A1c is, the more we're gambling with our own health.

I've talked with bunches of people who just refuse to listen to logic. They are

happy to have hemoglobin A1c readings of 6 and even 7 and just don't want to put

out any effort to change their habits to lower that reading and simply " hope for

the best. " I've run into many people who religiously followed all the " old

school " stuff for years and years and guess what? They all had multiple diabetic

complications! I have the chance with a lower reading NOT to end up like that,

so that is my goal. While I may never be " normal " again, I can certainly give it

my best shot and not settle for false security with a " hope for the best. "

I am not saying this to argue or antagonize, but as someone who cares to see

others stay well and to live a long and healthy life. If you are content with

6.5 that is certainly your prerogative, but I hope you will reconsider and try

to get that number down lower, and then you will see how much better you will

feel.

Good luck!

Bill Powers

[Guest guest]

Realistically, keeping my bg no higher than 140 is an impossibility.

Maintaining the exact balance between insulin and food is not possible, but it

is possible to get close by never eating a large portion of food at one time,

and matching this by never taking too much insulin at one time. They say the

pump approximates normal insulin intake, but I know people that can't manage the

pump, and franly if it's ddifficult or impossible for some to use, it is not the

answer. I think some non-insulin dependent folks don't understand the

difficulty in maintaining bg that can easily run from 30 to 400. I certainly am

aware of the consequences of poor management or else I wouldn't be on a list for

blind diabetics. I got diabetes in 1965 when testing for blood sugar involved

either running a test strip through urine, or mixing chemicals in a test tube,

neither of which is of any use we now know. By the time the personal bg test

meters were available and reasonably affordable and their value in treatment

more understood, the damage had largely been done in my case. Having sad all

this, I do appreciate the testimonies of those who try to acheive 5.0 a1c.

Dave

Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

>

>

> > I was just wondering if anyone else on this list has experienced this

> before - a blood pressure med was working great giving me good BP

control

> through the whole day, and now it's not doing that anymore. I had been

on

> Plendil 5 mg and it was keeping my pressure right around the 120/80 mark

in

> the morning and even at night. But it seems the last couple of months,

for

> no trackable reason, that it's not cutting the mustard and I've been

getting

> readings around 159/100. So my doc switched me to Lisonopril 10 mg, as

it

> would be better on the kidneys, in hopes this would control the pressure

> better. By itself, I was getting readings around 160/90 or 150/110.

> Obviously that's NOT good. My nephrologist put me BACK on the Plendil

and

> said to keep taking the Lisinopril. Then I had a BP check yesterday at

my

> regular doc's office and it was still 140/90 so he said to double up on

the

> Lisinopril and continue taking the Plendil, do a diary on the BPs during

the

> day over a week and then see him next week for follow-up.

> >

> > Now I know that the body changes over time and I guess it goes without

> saying that what once worked doesn't always. And I also know I have to

> contend with the proteinuria problem I mentioned a couple of months

back,

> although have not been able to afford another lab test to check it again

> (thank you very much Medicare, you're so wonderful.)

> >

> > My obvious objective is to keep the BP lower and stave off any organ

> damage, so I take this very seriously, and I am finally starting to make

> some weight-loss progress without any " diets " , just eating less of what

I

> usually eat. So I'm making some progress, BS's are good, just not BP.

> >

> > Although none of us on here are doctors, has anyone else had a similar

> experience and if so what worked for you or do you have any comments

that

> might point me to something that DOES work?

> >

> > Thanks for your thoughts and input.

> >

> > Just sign me " frazzled " .....

> >

> > Bill Powers

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Realistically, keeping my bg no higher than 140 is an impossibility.

Maintaining the exact balance between insulin and food is not possible, but it

is possible to get close by never eating a large portion of food at one time,

and matching this by never taking too much insulin at one time. They say the

pump approximates normal insulin intake, but I know people that can't manage the

pump, and franly if it's ddifficult or impossible for some to use, it is not the

answer. I think some non-insulin dependent folks don't understand the

difficulty in maintaining bg that can easily run from 30 to 400. I certainly am

aware of the consequences of poor management or else I wouldn't be on a list for

blind diabetics. I got diabetes in 1965 when testing for blood sugar involved

either running a test strip through urine, or mixing chemicals in a test tube,

neither of which is of any use we now know. By the time the personal bg test

meters were available and reasonably affordable and their value in treatment

more understood, the damage had largely been done in my case. Having sad all

this, I do appreciate the testimonies of those who try to acheive 5.0 a1c.

Dave

Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

>

>

> > I was just wondering if anyone else on this list has experienced this

> before - a blood pressure med was working great giving me good BP

control

> through the whole day, and now it's not doing that anymore. I had been

on

> Plendil 5 mg and it was keeping my pressure right around the 120/80 mark

in

> the morning and even at night. But it seems the last couple of months,

for

> no trackable reason, that it's not cutting the mustard and I've been

getting

> readings around 159/100. So my doc switched me to Lisonopril 10 mg, as

it

> would be better on the kidneys, in hopes this would control the pressure

> better. By itself, I was getting readings around 160/90 or 150/110.

> Obviously that's NOT good. My nephrologist put me BACK on the Plendil

and

> said to keep taking the Lisinopril. Then I had a BP check yesterday at

my

> regular doc's office and it was still 140/90 so he said to double up on

the

> Lisinopril and continue taking the Plendil, do a diary on the BPs during

the

> day over a week and then see him next week for follow-up.

> >

> > Now I know that the body changes over time and I guess it goes without

> saying that what once worked doesn't always. And I also know I have to

> contend with the proteinuria problem I mentioned a couple of months

back,

> although have not been able to afford another lab test to check it again

> (thank you very much Medicare, you're so wonderful.)

> >

> > My obvious objective is to keep the BP lower and stave off any organ

> damage, so I take this very seriously, and I am finally starting to make

> some weight-loss progress without any " diets " , just eating less of what

I

> usually eat. So I'm making some progress, BS's are good, just not BP.

> >

> > Although none of us on here are doctors, has anyone else had a similar

> experience and if so what worked for you or do you have any comments

that

> might point me to something that DOES work?

> >

> > Thanks for your thoughts and input.

> >

> > Just sign me " frazzled " .....

> >

> > Bill Powers

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Realistically, keeping my bg no higher than 140 is an impossibility.

Maintaining the exact balance between insulin and food is not possible, but it

is possible to get close by never eating a large portion of food at one time,

and matching this by never taking too much insulin at one time. They say the

pump approximates normal insulin intake, but I know people that can't manage the

pump, and franly if it's ddifficult or impossible for some to use, it is not the

answer. I think some non-insulin dependent folks don't understand the

difficulty in maintaining bg that can easily run from 30 to 400. I certainly am

aware of the consequences of poor management or else I wouldn't be on a list for

blind diabetics. I got diabetes in 1965 when testing for blood sugar involved

either running a test strip through urine, or mixing chemicals in a test tube,

neither of which is of any use we now know. By the time the personal bg test

meters were available and reasonably affordable and their value in treatment

more understood, the damage had largely been done in my case. Having sad all

this, I do appreciate the testimonies of those who try to acheive 5.0 a1c.

Dave

Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

>

>

> > I was just wondering if anyone else on this list has experienced this

> before - a blood pressure med was working great giving me good BP

control

> through the whole day, and now it's not doing that anymore. I had been

on

> Plendil 5 mg and it was keeping my pressure right around the 120/80 mark

in

> the morning and even at night. But it seems the last couple of months,

for

> no trackable reason, that it's not cutting the mustard and I've been

getting

> readings around 159/100. So my doc switched me to Lisonopril 10 mg, as

it

> would be better on the kidneys, in hopes this would control the pressure

> better. By itself, I was getting readings around 160/90 or 150/110.

> Obviously that's NOT good. My nephrologist put me BACK on the Plendil

and

> said to keep taking the Lisinopril. Then I had a BP check yesterday at

my

> regular doc's office and it was still 140/90 so he said to double up on

the

> Lisinopril and continue taking the Plendil, do a diary on the BPs during

the

> day over a week and then see him next week for follow-up.

> >

> > Now I know that the body changes over time and I guess it goes without

> saying that what once worked doesn't always. And I also know I have to

> contend with the proteinuria problem I mentioned a couple of months

back,

> although have not been able to afford another lab test to check it again

> (thank you very much Medicare, you're so wonderful.)

> >

> > My obvious objective is to keep the BP lower and stave off any organ

> damage, so I take this very seriously, and I am finally starting to make

> some weight-loss progress without any " diets " , just eating less of what

I

> usually eat. So I'm making some progress, BS's are good, just not BP.

> >

> > Although none of us on here are doctors, has anyone else had a similar

> experience and if so what worked for you or do you have any comments

that

> might point me to something that DOES work?

> >

> > Thanks for your thoughts and input.

> >

> > Just sign me " frazzled " .....

> >

> > Bill Powers

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

The pump can be difficult for some people to use, but I love mine. My

Blood sugars have never been so stable and low as they have been with the

pump. I have to occassionally have some adjustments done to the basal rate,

but it work really well for me. I love not haveing to take multiple shots

every day. Next month wil be my 60th anniversary of being diabetic-I was

not quite 2 when it was diagnosed. Boy have I seen some changes!s

Re: Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

Realistically, keeping my bg no higher than 140 is an impossibility.

Maintaining the exact balance between insulin and food is not possible, but

it is possible to get close by never eating a large portion of food at one

time, and matching this by never taking too much insulin at one time. They

say the pump approximates normal insulin intake, but I know people that

can't manage the pump, and franly if it's ddifficult or impossible for some

to use, it is not the answer. I think some non-insulin dependent folks

don't understand the difficulty in maintaining bg that can easily run from

30 to 400. I certainly am aware of the consequences of poor management or

else I wouldn't be on a list for blind diabetics. I got diabetes in 1965

when testing for blood sugar involved either running a test strip through

urine, or mixing chemicals in a test tube, neither of which is of any use we

now know. By the time the personal bg test meters were available and

reasonably affordable and their value in treatment more understood, the

damage had largely been done in my case. Having sad all this, I do

appreciate the testimonies of those who try to acheive 5.0 a1c.

Dave

Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

>

>

> > I was just wondering if anyone else on this list has experienced

this

> before - a blood pressure med was working great giving me good BP

control

> through the whole day, and now it's not doing that anymore. I had been

on

> Plendil 5 mg and it was keeping my pressure right around the 120/80

mark

in

> the morning and even at night. But it seems the last couple of months,

for

> no trackable reason, that it's not cutting the mustard and I've been

getting

> readings around 159/100. So my doc switched me to Lisonopril 10 mg, as

it

> would be better on the kidneys, in hopes this would control the

pressure

> better. By itself, I was getting readings around 160/90 or 150/110.

> Obviously that's NOT good. My nephrologist put me BACK on the Plendil

and

> said to keep taking the Lisinopril. Then I had a BP check yesterday at

my

> regular doc's office and it was still 140/90 so he said to double up

on

the

> Lisinopril and continue taking the Plendil, do a diary on the BPs

during

the

> day over a week and then see him next week for follow-up.

> >

> > Now I know that the body changes over time and I guess it goes

without

> saying that what once worked doesn't always. And I also know I have to

> contend with the proteinuria problem I mentioned a couple of months

back,

> although have not been able to afford another lab test to check it

again

> (thank you very much Medicare, you're so wonderful.)

> >

> > My obvious objective is to keep the BP lower and stave off any organ

> damage, so I take this very seriously, and I am finally starting to

make

> some weight-loss progress without any " diets " , just eating less of

what

I

> usually eat. So I'm making some progress, BS's are good, just not BP.

> >

> > Although none of us on here are doctors, has anyone else had a

similar

> experience and if so what worked for you or do you have any comments

that

> might point me to something that DOES work?

> >

> > Thanks for your thoughts and input.

> >

> > Just sign me " frazzled " .....

> >

> > Bill Powers

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

The pump can be difficult for some people to use, but I love mine. My

Blood sugars have never been so stable and low as they have been with the

pump. I have to occassionally have some adjustments done to the basal rate,

but it work really well for me. I love not haveing to take multiple shots

every day. Next month wil be my 60th anniversary of being diabetic-I was

not quite 2 when it was diagnosed. Boy have I seen some changes!s

Re: Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

Realistically, keeping my bg no higher than 140 is an impossibility.

Maintaining the exact balance between insulin and food is not possible, but

it is possible to get close by never eating a large portion of food at one

time, and matching this by never taking too much insulin at one time. They

say the pump approximates normal insulin intake, but I know people that

can't manage the pump, and franly if it's ddifficult or impossible for some

to use, it is not the answer. I think some non-insulin dependent folks

don't understand the difficulty in maintaining bg that can easily run from

30 to 400. I certainly am aware of the consequences of poor management or

else I wouldn't be on a list for blind diabetics. I got diabetes in 1965

when testing for blood sugar involved either running a test strip through

urine, or mixing chemicals in a test tube, neither of which is of any use we

now know. By the time the personal bg test meters were available and

reasonably affordable and their value in treatment more understood, the

damage had largely been done in my case. Having sad all this, I do

appreciate the testimonies of those who try to acheive 5.0 a1c.

Dave

Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

>

>

> > I was just wondering if anyone else on this list has experienced

this

> before - a blood pressure med was working great giving me good BP

control

> through the whole day, and now it's not doing that anymore. I had been

on

> Plendil 5 mg and it was keeping my pressure right around the 120/80

mark

in

> the morning and even at night. But it seems the last couple of months,

for

> no trackable reason, that it's not cutting the mustard and I've been

getting

> readings around 159/100. So my doc switched me to Lisonopril 10 mg, as

it

> would be better on the kidneys, in hopes this would control the

pressure

> better. By itself, I was getting readings around 160/90 or 150/110.

> Obviously that's NOT good. My nephrologist put me BACK on the Plendil

and

> said to keep taking the Lisinopril. Then I had a BP check yesterday at

my

> regular doc's office and it was still 140/90 so he said to double up

on

the

> Lisinopril and continue taking the Plendil, do a diary on the BPs

during

the

> day over a week and then see him next week for follow-up.

> >

> > Now I know that the body changes over time and I guess it goes

without

> saying that what once worked doesn't always. And I also know I have to

> contend with the proteinuria problem I mentioned a couple of months

back,

> although have not been able to afford another lab test to check it

again

> (thank you very much Medicare, you're so wonderful.)

> >

> > My obvious objective is to keep the BP lower and stave off any organ

> damage, so I take this very seriously, and I am finally starting to

make

> some weight-loss progress without any " diets " , just eating less of

what

I

> usually eat. So I'm making some progress, BS's are good, just not BP.

> >

> > Although none of us on here are doctors, has anyone else had a

similar

> experience and if so what worked for you or do you have any comments

that

> might point me to something that DOES work?

> >

> > Thanks for your thoughts and input.

> >

> > Just sign me " frazzled " .....

> >

> > Bill Powers

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

The pump can be difficult for some people to use, but I love mine. My

Blood sugars have never been so stable and low as they have been with the

pump. I have to occassionally have some adjustments done to the basal rate,

but it work really well for me. I love not haveing to take multiple shots

every day. Next month wil be my 60th anniversary of being diabetic-I was

not quite 2 when it was diagnosed. Boy have I seen some changes!s

Re: Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

Realistically, keeping my bg no higher than 140 is an impossibility.

Maintaining the exact balance between insulin and food is not possible, but

it is possible to get close by never eating a large portion of food at one

time, and matching this by never taking too much insulin at one time. They

say the pump approximates normal insulin intake, but I know people that

can't manage the pump, and franly if it's ddifficult or impossible for some

to use, it is not the answer. I think some non-insulin dependent folks

don't understand the difficulty in maintaining bg that can easily run from

30 to 400. I certainly am aware of the consequences of poor management or

else I wouldn't be on a list for blind diabetics. I got diabetes in 1965

when testing for blood sugar involved either running a test strip through

urine, or mixing chemicals in a test tube, neither of which is of any use we

now know. By the time the personal bg test meters were available and

reasonably affordable and their value in treatment more understood, the

damage had largely been done in my case. Having sad all this, I do

appreciate the testimonies of those who try to acheive 5.0 a1c.

Dave

Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

>

>

> > I was just wondering if anyone else on this list has experienced

this

> before - a blood pressure med was working great giving me good BP

control

> through the whole day, and now it's not doing that anymore. I had been

on

> Plendil 5 mg and it was keeping my pressure right around the 120/80

mark

in

> the morning and even at night. But it seems the last couple of months,

for

> no trackable reason, that it's not cutting the mustard and I've been

getting

> readings around 159/100. So my doc switched me to Lisonopril 10 mg, as

it

> would be better on the kidneys, in hopes this would control the

pressure

> better. By itself, I was getting readings around 160/90 or 150/110.

> Obviously that's NOT good. My nephrologist put me BACK on the Plendil

and

> said to keep taking the Lisinopril. Then I had a BP check yesterday at

my

> regular doc's office and it was still 140/90 so he said to double up

on

the

> Lisinopril and continue taking the Plendil, do a diary on the BPs

during

the

> day over a week and then see him next week for follow-up.

> >

> > Now I know that the body changes over time and I guess it goes

without

> saying that what once worked doesn't always. And I also know I have to

> contend with the proteinuria problem I mentioned a couple of months

back,

> although have not been able to afford another lab test to check it

again

> (thank you very much Medicare, you're so wonderful.)

> >

> > My obvious objective is to keep the BP lower and stave off any organ

> damage, so I take this very seriously, and I am finally starting to

make

> some weight-loss progress without any " diets " , just eating less of

what

I

> usually eat. So I'm making some progress, BS's are good, just not BP.

> >

> > Although none of us on here are doctors, has anyone else had a

similar

> experience and if so what worked for you or do you have any comments

that

> might point me to something that DOES work?

> >

> > Thanks for your thoughts and input.

> >

> > Just sign me " frazzled " .....

> >

> > Bill Powers

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

good advice bill.

Regards,

Re: Blood pressure meds pooping out on me

> Just to add to what was saying about family docs being content with

Hemoglobin A1c levels of 6.0 or above, yes it's lack of discipline by most

patients, as well as their own ignorance of tighter guidelines and walking

that line of not wanting to " agitate " too many of their patients, i.e.,

their revenue stream. So they settle for a halfway point to placate most of

their patients and then they can sit back and " hope for the best. "

>

> I choose, however, to adopt the tighter guidelines because I want to keep

what I have and not add to my list of infirmities. Keeping a tighter control

will almost certaily do that.

>

> One thing I do take seriously though is to educate my doctor. Although my

doc back in Baltimore was great at diagnosing me as diabetic, I needed to

educate HIM on some of the finer points like two-hour post prandial

readings, carb counting, etc, so he could in turn pass that on to other

patients. I do the same thing with my doc here in California. I want to give

him the benefit of what I've found to work that he might impart that to

other patients. Just because he's a doc doesn't mean he knows everything, so

we should never assume that he does!

>

> We're all learning things as we go along.

>

> Bill

>

>