Re: Re: Early puberty becoming more common

February 12, 2001

Is there a possible link to toxins or chemicals and fibroids.

I was exposed to toxic fumes for several months at a previous job while

pregnant.

2 years later diagnosed with large fibroid?

February 13, 2001

Donna,

Yeah I wonder what the use of Lupron would do in such a young child since her

bones are stil

developing.

Lupron is not approved here for fibroids or children its for men with prostrate

cancer,but then

again,Progesterones are not approved here to treat bleeding caused by

fibroids-only for dysfunctional

uterine bleeding-DUB I think they call it.My neighbor, for example, told me she

had to get up 4 and 5

times a night just flooding like crazy-no fibroids,no other pathology-just

fluctuating hormones.

Anyway getting back to Lupron where did this all happen? and did they look at

the causes of this like

thyroid etc.

Best,

Bonnie

Donna Jung wrote:

> Bonnie,

>

> Well, I thought lupron was only supposed to be prescribed for six

> months. She used it for several years. There was no mention of side

> effects. Did she suffer bone loss and hot flashes? It was

> interesting that there was another use for lupron.

>

> They don't know the cause of her puberty. They said it could be

> toxics in the air or chemicals. Just like we don't know why some

> people get fibroids and others don't.

>

> Donna

>

February 13, 2001

deann.thomson@... wrote:

> All kinds of stuff is getting into our environment that may be

> affecting lots of medical conditions.

> So where do we go from here?

Funny you should ask this question.....

Well, we head to Congress and ask for more funding for research....

We head to the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences

(NIEHS) and try to learn what they're doing to advance the research in

this regard....

We get involved and push for more knowledge than what we have now.

Basically, we start demanding a few answers with a collective voice that

insists on being heard.

And with that, I'd like to share with this group that 6 women (including

me) who've experienced uterine fibroids first-hand will indeed be

heading to the NIEHS to talk about uterine fibroids research later this

week. Hopefully, these women will all return and choose to post reports

to the various list groups they participate on and share what they

learned while talking to researchers at NIEHS.

We are at the very beginning of a long and winding road towards change.

For those of us who already have fibroids to deal with, NUFF will

continue to be here to help you and support you in determining all of

your options for treatment. For those of future generations, NUFF has

every intention of moving forward and demanding that uterine fibroids

research begin to address the issues that WE have concerns over.

Creating an environment for open dialogue with researchers on this issue

is critical. Hopefully, the door to NIEHS funded research on uterine

fibroids is opening some in that regard and we look forward to the

opportunity for an exchange of information that will be beneficial to

all.

Carla

p.s. the women traveling with me to the NIEHS are:

Leonie Finkel, New Jersey

Ronda Fowler, New York

Eddie , California

Tawanda Queen, land

Marsha Weaver, Florida

February 13, 2001

well. we network and experiment and gather info and understand that we can try

to learn and manage

our health. The last ten years for instance, American rates of diabetes are up

30 per cent. fast

foods. too much refined sugar and carbos. Worldwide the last ten years, autism

is spanning and

increasing around the globe at the same rate. My peds doc really believes it's

pesticides, taking a

toll....genetically designed foods are another sector which has hair-raising

implications. Why is

Sweden and India banning their use and import? Suggestive disturbing studies and

not enough research.

hormones and antibiotics used in our foodstuffs. try to eat the purest, rawest

foods around and do

research and do word of mouth. The mega-food and drug conglomerates do not care

about the

implications but we are closed systems taking in huge amounts of chemicals that

are foreign to our

bodies. Since the turn of the century we are exposed to 30,000 and upwards of

foreign and

manufactured chemicals each year. Staggering. gg

deann.thomson@... wrote:

> I'm not sure it would necessarily affect her bone density. Bone

> density due to estrogen deprivation seems to only appear in adult

> women. Children normally have low estrogen levels. Hers were just

> abnormally high.

> But that brings up another issue. Why are children with higher than

> normal hormone levels becoming more prevalent? Could it be related

> to the fact that fibroids are becoming more prevalent?

> I too wonder if it couldn't be related to hormones in milk/meat

> production. Or even just in the water supply? I've forgotten the

> report now but I remember reading about some teenager doing a random

> analysis of the water in her area and finding very high levels of

> antibiotics - the speculation being that this may add to the lowering

> effectiveness of antibiotics.

> All kinds of stuff is getting into our environment that may be

> affecting lots of medical conditions.

> So where do we go from here?

>

> >

> > > Bonnie,

> > >

> > > Well, I thought lupron was only supposed to be prescribed for six

> > > months. She used it for several years. There was no mention of

> side

> > > effects. Did she suffer bone loss and hot flashes? It was

> > > interesting that there was another use for lupron.

> > >

> > > They don't know the cause of her puberty. They said it could be

> > > toxics in the air or chemicals. Just like we don't know why some

> > > people get fibroids and others don't.

> > >

> > > Donna

> > >

February 13, 2001

hear hear. that's the way. be loud and get funding and continue talking. gg

Carla Dionne wrote:

> deann.thomson@... wrote:

>

> > All kinds of stuff is getting into our environment that may be

> > affecting lots of medical conditions.

> > So where do we go from here?

>

> Funny you should ask this question.....

>

> Well, we head to Congress and ask for more funding for research....

>

> We head to the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences

> (NIEHS) and try to learn what they're doing to advance the research in

> this regard....

>

> We get involved and push for more knowledge than what we have now.

>

> Basically, we start demanding a few answers with a collective voice that

> insists on being heard.

>

> And with that, I'd like to share with this group that 6 women (including

> me) who've experienced uterine fibroids first-hand will indeed be

> heading to the NIEHS to talk about uterine fibroids research later this

> week. Hopefully, these women will all return and choose to post reports

> to the various list groups they participate on and share what they

> learned while talking to researchers at NIEHS.

>

> We are at the very beginning of a long and winding road towards change.

> For those of us who already have fibroids to deal with, NUFF will

> continue to be here to help you and support you in determining all of

> your options for treatment. For those of future generations, NUFF has

> every intention of moving forward and demanding that uterine fibroids

> research begin to address the issues that WE have concerns over.

> Creating an environment for open dialogue with researchers on this issue

> is critical. Hopefully, the door to NIEHS funded research on uterine

> fibroids is opening some in that regard and we look forward to the

> opportunity for an exchange of information that will be beneficial to

> all.

>

> Carla

>

> p.s. the women traveling with me to the NIEHS are:

>

> Leonie Finkel, New Jersey

> Ronda Fowler, New York

> Eddie , California

> Tawanda Queen, land

> Marsha Weaver, Florida

>

February 13, 2001

Donna,

I'm glad you wrote,as I was going to write you.I'm sorry if I was a bit clip abt

this,don't know

what's gotten into me

..Anyway,your reserach has led to very important and vigorous debate abt.hormones

in the food chain.I

did a film about DES and I covered the food chain and the export-or dumping of

hormones in the 3rd

world.

There are some women whose mothers did not take DES while pregnant and they

still have DES type

problems.The suspicion,at the time(I did this film a long time ago) was that

they were making chicken

soup from the necks of chickens where the pellets were inserted.DES has been in

the food chain for

years and years.Estrogens will fatten cattle.Its all over the place.We have most

defintely been

exposed to estrogens in the food chain.As someone has said here this

evening.Avoid meat,or get meat

from organic sources.Avoid dairy.Eat a lot of fresh fruit,veggies etc.For anemia

/bleeding vitamin K

and iron is found in things like broccoli and spinach.Vitamin K clots the

blood,but you cannot take

it in pill form,it can produce a stroke but you can eat as much broccolli as you

want.These vegs

contain iron and clot the blood.Also,peppers like the ones used for the

preparation of paprika.(you

can get a juicer if you can't take in all that broccolii and mix it with carrots

or anything else you

like)

In my opinion,there is no stopping how food is now produced.All we can do,and

are doing, is encourage

the smaller growers and farmers that we will provide a market for foods that are

not chemically

touched.

Anyway,thanks for opening such interesting debate.

Best,

Bonnie

At this point I would like to congratulate Carla and hope her and the efforts of

those going with her

are fruitful.It is the most important step.I would like to ask any Canadians to

please write me so we

can make our members of Parliment aware that this is happening.

Donna Jung wrote:

> Bonnie Andrukaitis wrote:

> > Anyway getting back to Lupron where did this all happen?

> > and did they look at the causes of this like thyroid etc.

>

> This was just a five minute health segment on the local NBC news

> channel in New York City. I don't think they invested too much time

> into it. What you read is probably based on the transcript of the

> show.

>

> The girl who was menstruating at two years old is white. I don't

> know where she lives. Perhaps she lives in the tri-state area since

> this is the local news.

>

February 13, 2001

Donna,

I'm glad you wrote,as I was going to write you.I'm sorry if I was a bit clip abt

this,don't know

what's gotten into me

..Anyway,your reserach has led to very important and vigorous debate abt.hormones

in the food chain.I

did a film about DES and I covered the food chain and the export-or dumping of

hormones in the 3rd

world.

There are some women whose mothers did not take DES while pregnant and they

still have DES type

problems.The suspicion,at the time(I did this film a long time ago) was that

they were making chicken

soup from the necks of chickens where the pellets were inserted.DES has been in

the food chain for

years and years.Estrogens will fatten cattle.Its all over the place.We have most

defintely been

exposed to estrogens in the food chain.As someone has said here this

evening.Avoid meat,or get meat

from organic sources.Avoid dairy.Eat a lot of fresh fruit,veggies etc.For anemia

/bleeding vitamin K

and iron is found in things like broccoli and spinach.Vitamin K clots the

blood,but you cannot take

it in pill form,it can produce a stroke but you can eat as much broccolli as you

want.These vegs

contain iron and clot the blood.Also,peppers like the ones used for the

preparation of paprika.(you

can get a juicer if you can't take in all that broccolii and mix it with carrots

or anything else you

like)

In my opinion,there is no stopping how food is now produced.All we can do,and

are doing, is encourage

the smaller growers and farmers that we will provide a market for foods that are

not chemically

touched.

Anyway,thanks for opening such interesting debate.

Best,

Bonnie

At this point I would like to congratulate Carla and hope her and the efforts of

those going with her

are fruitful.It is the most important step.I would like to ask any Canadians to

please write me so we

can make our members of Parliment aware that this is happening.

Donna Jung wrote:

> Bonnie Andrukaitis wrote:

> > Anyway getting back to Lupron where did this all happen?

> > and did they look at the causes of this like thyroid etc.

>

> This was just a five minute health segment on the local NBC news

> channel in New York City. I don't think they invested too much time

> into it. What you read is probably based on the transcript of the

> show.

>

> The girl who was menstruating at two years old is white. I don't

> know where she lives. Perhaps she lives in the tri-state area since

> this is the local news.

>

February 13, 2001

Donna,

I'm glad you wrote,as I was going to write you.I'm sorry if I was a bit clip abt

this,don't know

what's gotten into me

..Anyway,your reserach has led to very important and vigorous debate abt.hormones

in the food chain.I

did a film about DES and I covered the food chain and the export-or dumping of

hormones in the 3rd

world.

There are some women whose mothers did not take DES while pregnant and they

still have DES type

problems.The suspicion,at the time(I did this film a long time ago) was that

they were making chicken

soup from the necks of chickens where the pellets were inserted.DES has been in

the food chain for

years and years.Estrogens will fatten cattle.Its all over the place.We have most

defintely been

exposed to estrogens in the food chain.As someone has said here this

evening.Avoid meat,or get meat

from organic sources.Avoid dairy.Eat a lot of fresh fruit,veggies etc.For anemia

/bleeding vitamin K

and iron is found in things like broccoli and spinach.Vitamin K clots the

blood,but you cannot take

it in pill form,it can produce a stroke but you can eat as much broccolli as you

want.These vegs

contain iron and clot the blood.Also,peppers like the ones used for the

preparation of paprika.(you

can get a juicer if you can't take in all that broccolii and mix it with carrots

or anything else you

like)

In my opinion,there is no stopping how food is now produced.All we can do,and

are doing, is encourage

the smaller growers and farmers that we will provide a market for foods that are

not chemically

touched.

Anyway,thanks for opening such interesting debate.

Best,

Bonnie

At this point I would like to congratulate Carla and hope her and the efforts of

those going with her

are fruitful.It is the most important step.I would like to ask any Canadians to

please write me so we

can make our members of Parliment aware that this is happening.

Donna Jung wrote:

> Bonnie Andrukaitis wrote:

> > Anyway getting back to Lupron where did this all happen?

> > and did they look at the causes of this like thyroid etc.

>

> This was just a five minute health segment on the local NBC news

> channel in New York City. I don't think they invested too much time

> into it. What you read is probably based on the transcript of the

> show.

>

> The girl who was menstruating at two years old is white. I don't

> know where she lives. Perhaps she lives in the tri-state area since

> this is the local news.

>

February 13, 2001

Donna

Coffee,for God's sakes.Well I',m kidding-kinda.Coffee isn't really that good.Try

Chicory-YUUk,but.

I would not eat white rice or white flour or products that contained anything

refined.I love

tofu.Mapo Tofu. Good or not,don't know for sure.

The pellets were in the chicken necks because that is where it the DES was best

absorbed.There was

anictodotal evidence that Jewish women,for example,in preparing chicken

soup(this was mostly NYC)

were using the necks for stock,perfectly good part to use.It was getting

concentrated and they were

not prescribed DES yet their daughters were turning uo 20 years later with DES

type stuff

I would not use plastics in the micro.I transfer to a glass or ceramac bowl.I

would not drink

soda,but sparkling water in glass bottles.

Also try to get coffee that is not sprayed.Using a teaspoon or so I do not think

is goping to cause

fibroids to grow.But I keep coffee only for am and my trick is to put in a lot

of water into my

coffee maker.then I trick myself into believeing that I'm having a 2nd cup when

in real;ity the

coffee content is the same as one strong cup.I don't drink it past the am.

I too feel that I can't win.One day we will win.maybe not for all of us,but for

the girls who are now

happily playing and won' t get any hyster.news in the future.

Anyway,thanks Donna.Seems like your recovery is going exceedingly well.

Best Bonnie

Donna Jung wrote:

> Bonnie,

>

> No problem.

>

> Why was the pellets inserted into the chicken neck?

>

> I wonder about the Tupperware and Rubbermaid that I use in

> the microwave oven, and the plastic bottles that water and soda come

> in . The government says it is safe, but am I hurting myself just

> the same.

>

> We should also be aware of the natural foods we eat. Some of them

> contain natural plant estrogen. Since we are prone to fibroids, we

> might want to avoid those foods.

>

> I found this website that has a list of food that contains estrogen

> and food that inhibits estrogen:

> http://www.holistic-online.com/Remedies/hrt/hrt_food_and_estrogen.htm

>

> Basically, the foods that might help menopausal symptoms, like

> carrots, yam, and soybeans, are not good for fibroids.

>

> What's good for fibroids are: Berries, Broccoli, Buckwheat, Cabbage,

> Citrus Foods, Corn, Figs, Fruits (except apples, cherries, dates,

> pomegranates), Grapes, Green beans, Melons, Millet, Onions, Pears,

> Pineapples, Squashes, Tapioca, White rice, White flour.

>

> In 1995, my first mammmogram showed some calcifications and I had a

> breast biopsy done. It turned out to be fibrocystic breast disease.

> But it scared me. Since then, I have been using soymilk, tofu, and

> other soy products. But now, it looks like I was feeding my fibroids

> instead.

>

> I am lactose intolerant, so I guess I will have to drink my coffee

> and tea black, with no milk and no soymilk. But didn't they say that

> black coffee and tea can cause cancer or something? I can't win.

>

> Donna

>

February 13, 2001

Donna

Coffee,for God's sakes.Well I',m kidding-kinda.Coffee isn't really that good.Try

Chicory-YUUk,but.

I would not eat white rice or white flour or products that contained anything

refined.I love

tofu.Mapo Tofu. Good or not,don't know for sure.

The pellets were in the chicken necks because that is where it the DES was best

absorbed.There was

anictodotal evidence that Jewish women,for example,in preparing chicken

soup(this was mostly NYC)

were using the necks for stock,perfectly good part to use.It was getting

concentrated and they were

not prescribed DES yet their daughters were turning uo 20 years later with DES

type stuff

I would not use plastics in the micro.I transfer to a glass or ceramac bowl.I

would not drink

soda,but sparkling water in glass bottles.

Also try to get coffee that is not sprayed.Using a teaspoon or so I do not think

is goping to cause

fibroids to grow.But I keep coffee only for am and my trick is to put in a lot

of water into my

coffee maker.then I trick myself into believeing that I'm having a 2nd cup when

in real;ity the

coffee content is the same as one strong cup.I don't drink it past the am.

I too feel that I can't win.One day we will win.maybe not for all of us,but for

the girls who are now

happily playing and won' t get any hyster.news in the future.

Anyway,thanks Donna.Seems like your recovery is going exceedingly well.

Best Bonnie

Donna Jung wrote:

> Bonnie,

>

> No problem.

>

> Why was the pellets inserted into the chicken neck?

>

> I wonder about the Tupperware and Rubbermaid that I use in

> the microwave oven, and the plastic bottles that water and soda come

> in . The government says it is safe, but am I hurting myself just

> the same.

>

> We should also be aware of the natural foods we eat. Some of them

> contain natural plant estrogen. Since we are prone to fibroids, we

> might want to avoid those foods.

>

> I found this website that has a list of food that contains estrogen

> and food that inhibits estrogen:

> http://www.holistic-online.com/Remedies/hrt/hrt_food_and_estrogen.htm

>

> Basically, the foods that might help menopausal symptoms, like

> carrots, yam, and soybeans, are not good for fibroids.

>

> What's good for fibroids are: Berries, Broccoli, Buckwheat, Cabbage,

> Citrus Foods, Corn, Figs, Fruits (except apples, cherries, dates,

> pomegranates), Grapes, Green beans, Melons, Millet, Onions, Pears,

> Pineapples, Squashes, Tapioca, White rice, White flour.

>

> In 1995, my first mammmogram showed some calcifications and I had a

> breast biopsy done. It turned out to be fibrocystic breast disease.

> But it scared me. Since then, I have been using soymilk, tofu, and

> other soy products. But now, it looks like I was feeding my fibroids

> instead.

>

> I am lactose intolerant, so I guess I will have to drink my coffee

> and tea black, with no milk and no soymilk. But didn't they say that

> black coffee and tea can cause cancer or something? I can't win.

>

> Donna

>

February 13, 2001

Donna

Coffee,for God's sakes.Well I',m kidding-kinda.Coffee isn't really that good.Try

Chicory-YUUk,but.

I would not eat white rice or white flour or products that contained anything

refined.I love

tofu.Mapo Tofu. Good or not,don't know for sure.

The pellets were in the chicken necks because that is where it the DES was best

absorbed.There was

anictodotal evidence that Jewish women,for example,in preparing chicken

soup(this was mostly NYC)

were using the necks for stock,perfectly good part to use.It was getting

concentrated and they were

not prescribed DES yet their daughters were turning uo 20 years later with DES

type stuff

I would not use plastics in the micro.I transfer to a glass or ceramac bowl.I

would not drink

soda,but sparkling water in glass bottles.

Also try to get coffee that is not sprayed.Using a teaspoon or so I do not think

is goping to cause

fibroids to grow.But I keep coffee only for am and my trick is to put in a lot

of water into my

coffee maker.then I trick myself into believeing that I'm having a 2nd cup when

in real;ity the

coffee content is the same as one strong cup.I don't drink it past the am.

I too feel that I can't win.One day we will win.maybe not for all of us,but for

the girls who are now

happily playing and won' t get any hyster.news in the future.

Anyway,thanks Donna.Seems like your recovery is going exceedingly well.

Best Bonnie

Donna Jung wrote:

> Bonnie,

>

> No problem.

>

> Why was the pellets inserted into the chicken neck?

>

> I wonder about the Tupperware and Rubbermaid that I use in

> the microwave oven, and the plastic bottles that water and soda come

> in . The government says it is safe, but am I hurting myself just

> the same.

>

> We should also be aware of the natural foods we eat. Some of them

> contain natural plant estrogen. Since we are prone to fibroids, we

> might want to avoid those foods.

>

> I found this website that has a list of food that contains estrogen

> and food that inhibits estrogen:

> http://www.holistic-online.com/Remedies/hrt/hrt_food_and_estrogen.htm

>

> Basically, the foods that might help menopausal symptoms, like

> carrots, yam, and soybeans, are not good for fibroids.

>

> What's good for fibroids are: Berries, Broccoli, Buckwheat, Cabbage,

> Citrus Foods, Corn, Figs, Fruits (except apples, cherries, dates,

> pomegranates), Grapes, Green beans, Melons, Millet, Onions, Pears,

> Pineapples, Squashes, Tapioca, White rice, White flour.

>

> In 1995, my first mammmogram showed some calcifications and I had a

> breast biopsy done. It turned out to be fibrocystic breast disease.

> But it scared me. Since then, I have been using soymilk, tofu, and

> other soy products. But now, it looks like I was feeding my fibroids

> instead.

>

> I am lactose intolerant, so I guess I will have to drink my coffee

> and tea black, with no milk and no soymilk. But didn't they say that

> black coffee and tea can cause cancer or something? I can't win.

>

> Donna

>

February 13, 2001

wow. so much for chicken soup being a naturalhealing agent. lol. gg

Bonnie Andrukaitis wrote:

> Donna

> Coffee,for God's sakes.Well I',m kidding-kinda.Coffee isn't really that

good.Try Chicory-YUUk,but.

> I would not eat white rice or white flour or products that contained anything

refined.I love

> tofu.Mapo Tofu. Good or not,don't know for sure.

> The pellets were in the chicken necks because that is where it the DES was

best absorbed.There was

> anictodotal evidence that Jewish women,for example,in preparing chicken

soup(this was mostly NYC)

> were using the necks for stock,perfectly good part to use.It was getting

concentrated and they were

> not prescribed DES yet their daughters were turning uo 20 years later with DES

type stuff

> I would not use plastics in the micro.I transfer to a glass or ceramac bowl.I

would not drink

> soda,but sparkling water in glass bottles.

> Also try to get coffee that is not sprayed.Using a teaspoon or so I do not

think is goping to cause

> fibroids to grow.But I keep coffee only for am and my trick is to put in a lot

of water into my

> coffee maker.then I trick myself into believeing that I'm having a 2nd cup

when in real;ity the

> coffee content is the same as one strong cup.I don't drink it past the am.

> I too feel that I can't win.One day we will win.maybe not for all of us,but

for the girls who are now

> happily playing and won' t get any hyster.news in the future.

> Anyway,thanks Donna.Seems like your recovery is going exceedingly well.

> Best Bonnie

>

> Donna Jung wrote:

>

> > Bonnie,

> >

> > No problem.

> >

> > Why was the pellets inserted into the chicken neck?

> >

> > I wonder about the Tupperware and Rubbermaid that I use in

> > the microwave oven, and the plastic bottles that water and soda come

> > in . The government says it is safe, but am I hurting myself just

> > the same.

> >

> > We should also be aware of the natural foods we eat. Some of them

> > contain natural plant estrogen. Since we are prone to fibroids, we

> > might want to avoid those foods.

> >

> > I found this website that has a list of food that contains estrogen

> > and food that inhibits estrogen:

> > http://www.holistic-online.com/Remedies/hrt/hrt_food_and_estrogen.htm

> >

> > Basically, the foods that might help menopausal symptoms, like

> > carrots, yam, and soybeans, are not good for fibroids.

> >

> > What's good for fibroids are: Berries, Broccoli, Buckwheat, Cabbage,

> > Citrus Foods, Corn, Figs, Fruits (except apples, cherries, dates,

> > pomegranates), Grapes, Green beans, Melons, Millet, Onions, Pears,

> > Pineapples, Squashes, Tapioca, White rice, White flour.

> >

> > In 1995, my first mammmogram showed some calcifications and I had a

> > breast biopsy done. It turned out to be fibrocystic breast disease.

> > But it scared me. Since then, I have been using soymilk, tofu, and

> > other soy products. But now, it looks like I was feeding my fibroids

> > instead.

> >

> > I am lactose intolerant, so I guess I will have to drink my coffee

> > and tea black, with no milk and no soymilk. But didn't they say that

> > black coffee and tea can cause cancer or something? I can't win.

> >

> > Donna

> >

February 13, 2001

wow. so much for chicken soup being a naturalhealing agent. lol. gg

Bonnie Andrukaitis wrote:

> Donna

> Coffee,for God's sakes.Well I',m kidding-kinda.Coffee isn't really that

good.Try Chicory-YUUk,but.

> I would not eat white rice or white flour or products that contained anything

refined.I love

> tofu.Mapo Tofu. Good or not,don't know for sure.

> The pellets were in the chicken necks because that is where it the DES was

best absorbed.There was

> anictodotal evidence that Jewish women,for example,in preparing chicken

soup(this was mostly NYC)

> were using the necks for stock,perfectly good part to use.It was getting

concentrated and they were

> not prescribed DES yet their daughters were turning uo 20 years later with DES

type stuff

> I would not use plastics in the micro.I transfer to a glass or ceramac bowl.I

would not drink

> soda,but sparkling water in glass bottles.

> Also try to get coffee that is not sprayed.Using a teaspoon or so I do not

think is goping to cause

> fibroids to grow.But I keep coffee only for am and my trick is to put in a lot

of water into my

> coffee maker.then I trick myself into believeing that I'm having a 2nd cup

when in real;ity the

> coffee content is the same as one strong cup.I don't drink it past the am.

> I too feel that I can't win.One day we will win.maybe not for all of us,but

for the girls who are now

> happily playing and won' t get any hyster.news in the future.

> Anyway,thanks Donna.Seems like your recovery is going exceedingly well.

> Best Bonnie

>

> Donna Jung wrote:

>

> > Bonnie,

> >

> > No problem.

> >

> > Why was the pellets inserted into the chicken neck?

> >

> > I wonder about the Tupperware and Rubbermaid that I use in

> > the microwave oven, and the plastic bottles that water and soda come

> > in . The government says it is safe, but am I hurting myself just

> > the same.

> >

> > We should also be aware of the natural foods we eat. Some of them

> > contain natural plant estrogen. Since we are prone to fibroids, we

> > might want to avoid those foods.

> >

> > I found this website that has a list of food that contains estrogen

> > and food that inhibits estrogen:

> > http://www.holistic-online.com/Remedies/hrt/hrt_food_and_estrogen.htm

> >

> > Basically, the foods that might help menopausal symptoms, like

> > carrots, yam, and soybeans, are not good for fibroids.

> >

> > What's good for fibroids are: Berries, Broccoli, Buckwheat, Cabbage,

> > Citrus Foods, Corn, Figs, Fruits (except apples, cherries, dates,

> > pomegranates), Grapes, Green beans, Melons, Millet, Onions, Pears,

> > Pineapples, Squashes, Tapioca, White rice, White flour.

> >

> > In 1995, my first mammmogram showed some calcifications and I had a

> > breast biopsy done. It turned out to be fibrocystic breast disease.

> > But it scared me. Since then, I have been using soymilk, tofu, and

> > other soy products. But now, it looks like I was feeding my fibroids

> > instead.

> >

> > I am lactose intolerant, so I guess I will have to drink my coffee

> > and tea black, with no milk and no soymilk. But didn't they say that

> > black coffee and tea can cause cancer or something? I can't win.

> >

> > Donna

> >

February 13, 2001

wow. so much for chicken soup being a naturalhealing agent. lol. gg

Bonnie Andrukaitis wrote:

> Donna

> Coffee,for God's sakes.Well I',m kidding-kinda.Coffee isn't really that

good.Try Chicory-YUUk,but.

> I would not eat white rice or white flour or products that contained anything

refined.I love

> tofu.Mapo Tofu. Good or not,don't know for sure.

> The pellets were in the chicken necks because that is where it the DES was

best absorbed.There was

> anictodotal evidence that Jewish women,for example,in preparing chicken

soup(this was mostly NYC)

> were using the necks for stock,perfectly good part to use.It was getting

concentrated and they were

> not prescribed DES yet their daughters were turning uo 20 years later with DES

type stuff

> I would not use plastics in the micro.I transfer to a glass or ceramac bowl.I

would not drink

> soda,but sparkling water in glass bottles.

> Also try to get coffee that is not sprayed.Using a teaspoon or so I do not

think is goping to cause

> fibroids to grow.But I keep coffee only for am and my trick is to put in a lot

of water into my

> coffee maker.then I trick myself into believeing that I'm having a 2nd cup

when in real;ity the

> coffee content is the same as one strong cup.I don't drink it past the am.

> I too feel that I can't win.One day we will win.maybe not for all of us,but

for the girls who are now

> happily playing and won' t get any hyster.news in the future.

> Anyway,thanks Donna.Seems like your recovery is going exceedingly well.

> Best Bonnie

>

> Donna Jung wrote:

>

> > Bonnie,

> >

> > No problem.

> >

> > Why was the pellets inserted into the chicken neck?

> >

> > I wonder about the Tupperware and Rubbermaid that I use in

> > the microwave oven, and the plastic bottles that water and soda come

> > in . The government says it is safe, but am I hurting myself just

> > the same.

> >

> > We should also be aware of the natural foods we eat. Some of them

> > contain natural plant estrogen. Since we are prone to fibroids, we

> > might want to avoid those foods.

> >

> > I found this website that has a list of food that contains estrogen

> > and food that inhibits estrogen:

> > http://www.holistic-online.com/Remedies/hrt/hrt_food_and_estrogen.htm

> >

> > Basically, the foods that might help menopausal symptoms, like

> > carrots, yam, and soybeans, are not good for fibroids.

> >

> > What's good for fibroids are: Berries, Broccoli, Buckwheat, Cabbage,

> > Citrus Foods, Corn, Figs, Fruits (except apples, cherries, dates,

> > pomegranates), Grapes, Green beans, Melons, Millet, Onions, Pears,

> > Pineapples, Squashes, Tapioca, White rice, White flour.

> >

> > In 1995, my first mammmogram showed some calcifications and I had a

> > breast biopsy done. It turned out to be fibrocystic breast disease.

> > But it scared me. Since then, I have been using soymilk, tofu, and

> > other soy products. But now, it looks like I was feeding my fibroids

> > instead.

> >

> > I am lactose intolerant, so I guess I will have to drink my coffee

> > and tea black, with no milk and no soymilk. But didn't they say that

> > black coffee and tea can cause cancer or something? I can't win.

> >

> > Donna

> >

February 13, 2001

At 11:56 PM 2/13/01 +0000, you wrote:

>Basically, the foods that might help menopausal symptoms, like

>carrots, yam, and soybeans, are not good for fibroids.

Actually I have read that soy products are good to eat when you have

fibroids. The explanation I heard is if you consume foods with

photoestrogens (like soy and flaxseed), the plant estrogens act like

estrogen in the body and attach to our estrogen receptors. Excess estrogen

is washed out of the body with the help of fiber and the B vitamins. If

you eat enough photo estrogens, these are what attach to your estrogen

receptors, and the more " potent " estrogens produced by your body have no

place to attach to your receptors as they are already " taken " by the photo

estrogens. The ones in plants are so much less potent than those produced

by your body that they are favorable.

I don't really know if what I'm saying makes any sense, but it is something

I've read and chosen to believe (because I do like tofu and soy milk and

figure they've GOT to be better than red meat and milk).

February 13, 2001

Regarding soy and estrogen...

According to the book " Fibroid Tumors & Endometriosis Self-Help Book " (

" Legumes. The best legumes to eat for relief of fibroid and endometriosis

symptoms are soybeans. This includes many soy products like tofu, tempeh,

boiled soy beans, and foods made from soy flour, like pasta. Substitute

dairy products like soy yogurt are also available in health food stores.

The abundant use of soybeans in the diet actually help regulate and

lower estrogen levels in the body. This is because soy is a rich source of

natural plant estrogens, called bioflavonoids. The bioflavonoids found in

soybeans have a chemical structure similar to estrogen, yet is much weaker

in potency than the estrogen made by our bodies. (Bioflavonoids have only

1/50,000 the potency of synthetic estrogen.) Utilized in the diet,

bioflavonoids actually compete with our body's own estrogen for binding to

the estrogen receptors of our cells. Thus the weaker bioflavonoids can

actually replace our own estrogen when binding to the uterus, breasts and

other estrogen-sensitive tissue. Bioflavonoids can also help lower estrogen

levels in the body by actually interfering with estrogen production.

The use of soy foods or the use of the bioflavonoids in a purified form

have ben found to help reduce bleeding problems in premenopausal women with

fibroid tumors or who are not ovulating. Soybean use reduces the risk of

breast cancer and can even help relieve menopausal symptoms in women who are

estrogen deficient by adding an additional dietary source of this important

hormone... "

Re: Early puberty becoming more common

> Bonnie,

>

> No problem.

>

> Why was the pellets inserted into the chicken neck?

>

> I wonder about the Tupperware and Rubbermaid that I use in

> the microwave oven, and the plastic bottles that water and soda come

> in . The government says it is safe, but am I hurting myself just

> the same.

>

> We should also be aware of the natural foods we eat. Some of them

> contain natural plant estrogen. Since we are prone to fibroids, we

> might want to avoid those foods.

>

> I found this website that has a list of food that contains estrogen

> and food that inhibits estrogen:

> http://www.holistic-online.com/Remedies/hrt/hrt_food_and_estrogen.htm

>

> Basically, the foods that might help menopausal symptoms, like

> carrots, yam, and soybeans, are not good for fibroids.

>

> What's good for fibroids are: Berries, Broccoli, Buckwheat, Cabbage,

> Citrus Foods, Corn, Figs, Fruits (except apples, cherries, dates,

> pomegranates), Grapes, Green beans, Melons, Millet, Onions, Pears,

> Pineapples, Squashes, Tapioca, White rice, White flour.

>

> In 1995, my first mammmogram showed some calcifications and I had a

> breast biopsy done. It turned out to be fibrocystic breast disease.

> But it scared me. Since then, I have been using soymilk, tofu, and

> other soy products. But now, it looks like I was feeding my fibroids

> instead.

>

> I am lactose intolerant, so I guess I will have to drink my coffee

> and tea black, with no milk and no soymilk. But didn't they say that

> black coffee and tea can cause cancer or something? I can't win.

>

> Donna

>

February 13, 2001