Guest guest Posted October 2, 1999 Report Share Posted October 2, 1999 My " disease " supposedly kicks in if I get Hungry, Angry, Lonely, Tired, Anxious, Argumemtative, impatient ,bored, depressed, want something done " My Way " , indulge in wishful thinking, or start to think that things are " OK " . It's also dangerous for me to want to be by myself, go to a place that sells liquor,see ads for liquor or a hundred other things that " Normies " can do but I can't. In a message dated 10/2/99 7:57:52 PM Central Daylight Time, vomiticus@... writes: > I guess my " disease " was one of not being able to think for myself. > I needed a group of sickos who liked to control and manipulate...they > provided the antidote for my disease. > Just think about it. A disease arrested by a group who have the same > disease. > What power!!! > Probably I also have a little bit of the disease of masochism. For 5 > years I seemed to have needed to be told the following: > 1. I was powerless > 2. I needed to shutup and listen > 3. I didn't deserve to be angry > 4. I shouldn't think for myself > 5. Feelings meant danger > > And remember: I must be doomed for life because I cannot possibly > recover. This is chronic and nasty. > All this actually contributed to a REAL disease I have called > depression. Ever noticed all the depressed people in AA? I know AA > behavior does not cause depression, but in my case, it certainly added > to it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 1999 Report Share Posted October 2, 1999 lets see hmmm.. my favorite disease is one in which their is absolutley no medical test which can be used to determine you have it.. a disease in which you suffer from when you cease to be denial of its existence... a disease which its advocates proclaim must genetic , yet its symptoms are symbolic bottles and its roots are defects of charatcer, ego and willfulness. finally a dsiease that if you were denounce the above attributes would be a sure sign that you had it. wow, thats teh disease for me! kim rh wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=8411 > > Hmn- funny how my so called disease usually " made " > me drink Coors Light beer and not another brand. > Although at times I also had bouts of Molson Export > disease. You would think though that if a person had > an " uncontrollable " " disease " , that this " disease " > would force them to drink booze they didn't like, or > do drugs they didn't want to do. Funny how that > doesn't happen, hmm! > > So some people have coke disease ( this disease > actually has several strains- freebase disease, line > disease, intravenous disease,etc),hash disease(not to > be confused with hash OIL disease- a different disease > altogether). > Similarly, a potential OA member may " suffer " (? Is > it suffering if you partly enjoy it, and you bring it > on yourself?!) from chocolate donut disease (there are > a large number of donut related diseases. Many strains > of the virus- or " flavours " as sufferers call them). > > What's your favorite disease?!!(Rhetorical question). > > Kim. > > ===== > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 1999 Report Share Posted October 2, 1999 lets see hmmm.. my favorite disease is one in which their is absolutley no medical test which can be used to determine you have it.. a disease in which you suffer from when you cease to be denial of its existence... a disease which its advocates proclaim must genetic , yet its symptoms are symbolic bottles and its roots are defects of charatcer, ego and willfulness. finally a dsiease that if you were denounce the above attributes would be a sure sign that you had it. wow, thats teh disease for me! kim rh wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=8411 > > Hmn- funny how my so called disease usually " made " > me drink Coors Light beer and not another brand. > Although at times I also had bouts of Molson Export > disease. You would think though that if a person had > an " uncontrollable " " disease " , that this " disease " > would force them to drink booze they didn't like, or > do drugs they didn't want to do. Funny how that > doesn't happen, hmm! > > So some people have coke disease ( this disease > actually has several strains- freebase disease, line > disease, intravenous disease,etc),hash disease(not to > be confused with hash OIL disease- a different disease > altogether). > Similarly, a potential OA member may " suffer " (? Is > it suffering if you partly enjoy it, and you bring it > on yourself?!) from chocolate donut disease (there are > a large number of donut related diseases. Many strains > of the virus- or " flavours " as sufferers call them). > > What's your favorite disease?!!(Rhetorical question). > > Kim. > > ===== > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 1999 Report Share Posted October 2, 1999 In a message dated 10/2/99 1:34:50 PM Central Daylight Time, kimrh67@... writes: > What's your favorite disease?!!(Rhetorical question). > > Kim. Rhetorical? I'll answer anyway. I prefer Merlot Disease, though I occasionally lean toward Pizza Disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 1999 Report Share Posted October 2, 1999 In a message dated 10/2/99 1:34:50 PM Central Daylight Time, kimrh67@... writes: > What's your favorite disease?!!(Rhetorical question). > > Kim. Rhetorical? I'll answer anyway. I prefer Merlot Disease, though I occasionally lean toward Pizza Disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 1999 Report Share Posted October 2, 1999 I guess my " disease " was one of not being able to think for myself. I needed a group of sickos who liked to control and manipulate...they provided the antidote for my disease. Just think about it. A disease arrested by a group who have the same disease. What power!!! Probably I also have a little bit of the disease of masochism. For 5 years I seemed to have needed to be told the following: 1. I was powerless 2. I needed to shutup and listen 3. I didn't deserve to be angry 4. I shouldn't think for myself 5. Feelings meant danger And remember: I must be doomed for life because I cannot possibly recover. This is chronic and nasty. All this actually contributed to a REAL disease I have called depression. Ever noticed all the depressed people in AA? I know AA behavior does not cause depression, but in my case, it certainly added to it. kim rh wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=8411 > > Hmn- funny how my so called disease usually " made " > me drink Coors Light beer and not another brand. > Although at times I also had bouts of Molson Export > disease. You would think though that if a person had > an " uncontrollable " " disease " , that this " disease " > would force them to drink booze they didn't like, or > do drugs they didn't want to do. Funny how that > doesn't happen, hmm! > > So some people have coke disease ( this disease > actually has several strains- freebase disease, line > disease, intravenous disease,etc),hash disease(not to > be confused with hash OIL disease- a different disease > altogether). > Similarly, a potential OA member may " suffer " (? Is > it suffering if you partly enjoy it, and you bring it > on yourself?!) from chocolate donut disease (there are > a large number of donut related diseases. Many strains > of the virus- or " flavours " as sufferers call them). > > What's your favorite disease?!!(Rhetorical question). > > Kim. > > ===== > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 1999 Report Share Posted October 3, 1999 > Hmn- funny how my so called disease usually " made " > me drink Coors Light beer and not another brand. > Although at times I also had bouts of Molson Export > disease. You would think though that if a person had > an " uncontrollable " " disease " , that this " disease " > would force them to drink booze they didn't like, or > do drugs they didn't want to do. Funny how that > doesn't happen, hmm! Yeah, tell me about it! My progressive, uncontrollable disease allowed me to drink Irish Whiskey and Scotch, but gin was simply too vile--I left a gathering at a friend's house once because all he had left after I drank the last glass of decent Cabernet was a choice between gin or pink wine from a box <shudder> <snipped> > What's your favorite disease?!!(Rhetorical question). > > Kim. Biblioholism, no doubt about it. My mother's car broke down one Sunday afternoon and she needed a ride; when she couldn't reach me at home she called all of the bookstores in town until she found out which one I was at. It wasn't the fact that her hunch turned out to be right that struck her as odd; it was that every person she talked to knew exactly who I was and which bookstore I was headed to next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 1999 Report Share Posted October 3, 1999 In a message dated 10/3/99 2:41:24 AM Central Daylight Time, babystrange@... writes: << Biblioholism, no doubt about it. >> Bibliophilism? " Huggy Bear " hangin' at the bookstore. Hmmmm. I recently found a book with a 1 " hole drilled in the back cover. Maybe it was once used by a " sneaky " informant... M. Yriondo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 1999 Report Share Posted October 3, 1999 In a message dated 10/3/99 2:41:24 AM Central Daylight Time, babystrange@... writes: << Biblioholism, no doubt about it. >> Bibliophilism? " Huggy Bear " hangin' at the bookstore. Hmmmm. I recently found a book with a 1 " hole drilled in the back cover. Maybe it was once used by a " sneaky " informant... M. Yriondo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 1999 Report Share Posted October 3, 1999 In a message dated 10/3/99 2:37:11 PM Central Daylight Time, jkling@... writes: > He said the " disease " of alcoholism was not a moral or > matter of weak character but a medical problem like other diseases which we > have no control. Though this man presented a good verbal case, like so many > in AA, I hold firm that addiction is a behavioral problem and a behavior we > can change. The medical community also knows that it is behavioral. The term " Behavioral Health Center " is common today. Calling it a disease lets them bill insurance companies for far more many days than the 3-5 days of detox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 1999 Report Share Posted October 3, 1999 kim rh wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=8411 > What's your favorite disease?!!(Rhetorical question). It's not rhetorical at all. It begs to be answered, and goes to the very heart of the " disease " theory which is underlying the whole premise of XA and subsequently 12sf. I had a video poker disease. But I didn't have a sports betting disease or a slot disease, or a craps or blackjack disease. If I had a gambling disease, anyone of the games should have been good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 1999 Report Share Posted October 3, 1999 kim rh wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=8411 > What's your favorite disease?!!(Rhetorical question). It's not rhetorical at all. It begs to be answered, and goes to the very heart of the " disease " theory which is underlying the whole premise of XA and subsequently 12sf. I had a video poker disease. But I didn't have a sports betting disease or a slot disease, or a craps or blackjack disease. If I had a gambling disease, anyone of the games should have been good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 1999 Report Share Posted October 3, 1999 PS: This also goes to the question of the hierarchy mentioned by someone a few days ago at NA about the ex-cons who shot heroin at the top and the lowly pot smokers at the bottom, and the coke/meth people struggling for better recognition. At GA, It was the sports betters, and table game losers at the top and the slot video poker losers at the bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 1999 Report Share Posted October 3, 1999 PS: This also goes to the question of the hierarchy mentioned by someone a few days ago at NA about the ex-cons who shot heroin at the top and the lowly pot smokers at the bottom, and the coke/meth people struggling for better recognition. At GA, It was the sports betters, and table game losers at the top and the slot video poker losers at the bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 1999 Report Share Posted October 3, 1999 At 10:21 AM 03/10/99 -0700, you wrote: >PS: This also goes to the question of the hierarchy mentioned by >someone a few days ago at NA about the ex-cons who shot heroin at the >top and the lowly pot smokers at the bottom, and the coke/meth people >struggling for better recognition. > >At GA, It was the sports betters, and table game losers at the top and >the slot video poker losers at the bottom. Re NA, I always thought that the ex-cons and heroin addictswho stressed the credentials a lot only THOUGHT they were at the top. Bragging about how bad an addict you were and then almost in the same breath saying how glad you are for all the god-given humility and especially stressing how " it doesn't matter what or how much you used " - it just doesn't fit together. The braggers were embarrassing to many. It is like saying- " look how BAD a road accident victim I am. Look how long I behaved stupidly, and how really seriously stupid I was. Look how much I walked in the road in front of moving traffic. This makes me someone to be reckoned with. " It is nonsense. I think the reaosn is to get some feeling of being a worthwhile person and cashing in on one's addiction career and trying to use that to be " better " is the nearest some people get to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 1999 Report Share Posted October 3, 1999 I once viewed a video per the request of a psychologist regarding the disease concept of addiction. This MD went on and on from the first declaration that addiction was a disease in 19xx to the present and " undisputed " medical position that addiction is indeed a disease. The MD cited medical etiology that supposedly validates this concept by telling about and showing examples of addiction disease to other diseases like cancer and diabetes. He said the " disease " of alcoholism was not a moral or matter of weak character but a medical problem like other diseases which we have no control. Though this man presented a good verbal case, like so many in AA, I hold firm that addiction is a behavioral problem and a behavior we can change. In meetings I have told men to " grab themselves up by their balls " and start changing their behavior but they tell me they have no control because they have a disease. Someone told me a couple of years ago, " if long hair was a disease, would a hair cut be the cure? I think about that sometimes. I also believe its a conspiracy among many mental health workers when they tell their clients they are powerless of a fictious disease. For sure, steppism is a corruption between psychology and religion for a personal economical advantage. I have " selected " myself and have committed myself to our human capacity to change. I choose not to erroneously declare myself " diseased " because of a behavior that can be changed. It is wrong to erode someones self-esteem with labeling through coercion. Re: it's a selective disease > In a message dated 10/3/99 2:41:24 AM Central Daylight Time, > babystrange@... writes: > > << Biblioholism, no doubt about it. >> > > Bibliophilism? > > " Huggy Bear " hangin' at the bookstore. Hmmmm. > > I recently found a book with a 1 " hole drilled in the back cover. Maybe it > was once used by a " sneaky " informant... > > M. Yriondo > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. > Start with up to 150 Points for joining! > http://clickhere./click/805 > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 1999 Report Share Posted October 3, 1999 kim rh wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=8411 > > Hmn- funny how my so called disease usually " made " > me drink Coors Light beer and not another brand. > Although at times I also had bouts of Molson Export > disease. You would think though that if a person had > an " uncontrollable " " disease " , that this " disease " > would force them to drink booze they didn't like, or > do drugs they didn't want to do. Funny how that > doesn't happen, hmm! > > So some people have coke disease ( this disease > actually has several strains- freebase disease, line > disease, intravenous disease,etc),hash disease(not to > be confused with hash OIL disease- a different disease > altogether). > Similarly, a potential OA member may " suffer " (? Is > it suffering if you partly enjoy it, and you bring it > on yourself?!) from chocolate donut disease (there are > a large number of donut related diseases. Many strains > of the virus- or " flavours " as sufferers call them). > > What's your favorite disease?!!(Rhetorical question). > > Kim. > > ===== > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 1999 Report Share Posted October 3, 1999 Interestingly, At the IOP (intensive outpatient program) which was 1/2 12step and 1/2 pop psychology, we were taught that the table game and sportsbetting players took on average 15-20 years to seek help, and the video poker players managed to get dragged to their bottom in an average of 3 years. Having never been a drinker, my inquiring mind wants to know, is there a substance hierarchy at AA such as beer drinkers at the bottom and Scotch Drinkers at the top? I can imagine the following scenarios: 1)At an actual meeting---Time of abstinance rules 2)Aftermeeting coffee, everyone with some abstinance---lowest bottom rules: 3)All other things being equal---Scotch rules! Tell me if I'm wrong. > > > >At GA, It was the sports betters, and table game losers at the top and > >the slot video poker losers at the bottom. > > Re NA, I always thought that the ex-cons and heroin addictswho stressed the > credentials a lot only THOUGHT they were at the top. Bragging about how bad > an addict you were and then almost in the same breath saying how glad you > are for all the god-given humility and especially stressing how " it doesn't > matter what or how much you used " - it just doesn't fit together. The > braggers were embarrassing to many. It is like saying- " look how BAD a road > accident victim I am. Look how long I behaved stupidly, and how really > seriously stupid I was. Look how much I walked in the road in front of > moving traffic. This makes me someone to be reckoned with. " It is nonsense. > > I think the reaosn is to get some feeling of being a worthwhile person and > cashing in on one's addiction career and trying to use that to be " better " > is the nearest some people get to that. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 1999 Report Share Posted October 3, 1999 Interestingly, At the IOP (intensive outpatient program) which was 1/2 12step and 1/2 pop psychology, we were taught that the table game and sportsbetting players took on average 15-20 years to seek help, and the video poker players managed to get dragged to their bottom in an average of 3 years. Having never been a drinker, my inquiring mind wants to know, is there a substance hierarchy at AA such as beer drinkers at the bottom and Scotch Drinkers at the top? I can imagine the following scenarios: 1)At an actual meeting---Time of abstinance rules 2)Aftermeeting coffee, everyone with some abstinance---lowest bottom rules: 3)All other things being equal---Scotch rules! Tell me if I'm wrong. > > > >At GA, It was the sports betters, and table game losers at the top and > >the slot video poker losers at the bottom. > > Re NA, I always thought that the ex-cons and heroin addictswho stressed the > credentials a lot only THOUGHT they were at the top. Bragging about how bad > an addict you were and then almost in the same breath saying how glad you > are for all the god-given humility and especially stressing how " it doesn't > matter what or how much you used " - it just doesn't fit together. The > braggers were embarrassing to many. It is like saying- " look how BAD a road > accident victim I am. Look how long I behaved stupidly, and how really > seriously stupid I was. Look how much I walked in the road in front of > moving traffic. This makes me someone to be reckoned with. " It is nonsense. > > I think the reaosn is to get some feeling of being a worthwhile person and > cashing in on one's addiction career and trying to use that to be " better " > is the nearest some people get to that. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 1999 Report Share Posted October 3, 1999 Interestingly, At the IOP (intensive outpatient program) which was 1/2 12step and 1/2 pop psychology, we were taught that the table game and sportsbetting players took on average 15-20 years to seek help, and the video poker players managed to get dragged to their bottom in an average of 3 years. Having never been a drinker, my inquiring mind wants to know, is there a substance hierarchy at AA such as beer drinkers at the bottom and Scotch Drinkers at the top? I can imagine the following scenarios: 1)At an actual meeting---Time of abstinance rules 2)Aftermeeting coffee, everyone with some abstinance---lowest bottom rules: 3)All other things being equal---Scotch rules! Tell me if I'm wrong. > > > >At GA, It was the sports betters, and table game losers at the top and > >the slot video poker losers at the bottom. > > Re NA, I always thought that the ex-cons and heroin addictswho stressed the > credentials a lot only THOUGHT they were at the top. Bragging about how bad > an addict you were and then almost in the same breath saying how glad you > are for all the god-given humility and especially stressing how " it doesn't > matter what or how much you used " - it just doesn't fit together. The > braggers were embarrassing to many. It is like saying- " look how BAD a road > accident victim I am. Look how long I behaved stupidly, and how really > seriously stupid I was. Look how much I walked in the road in front of > moving traffic. This makes me someone to be reckoned with. " It is nonsense. > > I think the reaosn is to get some feeling of being a worthwhile person and > cashing in on one's addiction career and trying to use that to be " better " > is the nearest some people get to that. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 1999 Report Share Posted October 3, 1999 from my experince at aa, you hit nail on head. those with worst war stories (and for some reason they are the most pig headed abusive ones i knew) seemed to dominate (aka: bully) post meeting life. jackandj-@... wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=8435 > Interestingly, At the IOP (intensive outpatient program) which was 1/2 > 12step and 1/2 pop psychology, we were taught that the table game and > sportsbetting players took on average 15-20 years to seek help, and the > video poker players managed to get dragged to their bottom in an > average of 3 years. > > Having never been a drinker, my inquiring mind wants to know, is there > a substance hierarchy at AA such as beer drinkers at the bottom and > Scotch Drinkers at the top? > > I can imagine the following scenarios: > 1)At an actual meeting---Time of abstinance rules > 2)Aftermeeting coffee, everyone with some abstinance---lowest bottom > rules: > 3)All other things being equal---Scotch rules! > > Tell me if I'm wrong. > > > > > > > >At GA, It was the sports betters, and table game losers at the top > and > > >the slot video poker losers at the bottom. > > > > Re NA, I always thought that the ex-cons and heroin addictswho > stressed the > > credentials a lot only THOUGHT they were at the top. Bragging about > how bad > > an addict you were and then almost in the same breath saying how glad > you > > are for all the god-given humility and especially stressing how " it > doesn't > > matter what or how much you used " - it just doesn't fit together. The > > braggers were embarrassing to many. It is like saying- " look how BAD > a road > > accident victim I am. Look how long I behaved stupidly, and how really > > seriously stupid I was. Look how much I walked in the road in front of > > moving traffic. This makes me someone to be reckoned with. " It is > nonsense. > > > > I think the reaosn is to get some feeling of being a worthwhile > person and > > cashing in on one's addiction career and trying to use that to be > " better " > > is the nearest some people get to that. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 1999 Report Share Posted October 3, 1999 from my experince at aa, you hit nail on head. those with worst war stories (and for some reason they are the most pig headed abusive ones i knew) seemed to dominate (aka: bully) post meeting life. jackandj-@... wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=8435 > Interestingly, At the IOP (intensive outpatient program) which was 1/2 > 12step and 1/2 pop psychology, we were taught that the table game and > sportsbetting players took on average 15-20 years to seek help, and the > video poker players managed to get dragged to their bottom in an > average of 3 years. > > Having never been a drinker, my inquiring mind wants to know, is there > a substance hierarchy at AA such as beer drinkers at the bottom and > Scotch Drinkers at the top? > > I can imagine the following scenarios: > 1)At an actual meeting---Time of abstinance rules > 2)Aftermeeting coffee, everyone with some abstinance---lowest bottom > rules: > 3)All other things being equal---Scotch rules! > > Tell me if I'm wrong. > > > > > > > >At GA, It was the sports betters, and table game losers at the top > and > > >the slot video poker losers at the bottom. > > > > Re NA, I always thought that the ex-cons and heroin addictswho > stressed the > > credentials a lot only THOUGHT they were at the top. Bragging about > how bad > > an addict you were and then almost in the same breath saying how glad > you > > are for all the god-given humility and especially stressing how " it > doesn't > > matter what or how much you used " - it just doesn't fit together. The > > braggers were embarrassing to many. It is like saying- " look how BAD > a road > > accident victim I am. Look how long I behaved stupidly, and how really > > seriously stupid I was. Look how much I walked in the road in front of > > moving traffic. This makes me someone to be reckoned with. " It is > nonsense. > > > > I think the reaosn is to get some feeling of being a worthwhile > person and > > cashing in on one's addiction career and trying to use that to be > " better " > > is the nearest some people get to that. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 1999 Report Share Posted October 3, 1999 from my experince at aa, you hit nail on head. those with worst war stories (and for some reason they are the most pig headed abusive ones i knew) seemed to dominate (aka: bully) post meeting life. jackandj-@... wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=8435 > Interestingly, At the IOP (intensive outpatient program) which was 1/2 > 12step and 1/2 pop psychology, we were taught that the table game and > sportsbetting players took on average 15-20 years to seek help, and the > video poker players managed to get dragged to their bottom in an > average of 3 years. > > Having never been a drinker, my inquiring mind wants to know, is there > a substance hierarchy at AA such as beer drinkers at the bottom and > Scotch Drinkers at the top? > > I can imagine the following scenarios: > 1)At an actual meeting---Time of abstinance rules > 2)Aftermeeting coffee, everyone with some abstinance---lowest bottom > rules: > 3)All other things being equal---Scotch rules! > > Tell me if I'm wrong. > > > > > > > >At GA, It was the sports betters, and table game losers at the top > and > > >the slot video poker losers at the bottom. > > > > Re NA, I always thought that the ex-cons and heroin addictswho > stressed the > > credentials a lot only THOUGHT they were at the top. Bragging about > how bad > > an addict you were and then almost in the same breath saying how glad > you > > are for all the god-given humility and especially stressing how " it > doesn't > > matter what or how much you used " - it just doesn't fit together. The > > braggers were embarrassing to many. It is like saying- " look how BAD > a road > > accident victim I am. Look how long I behaved stupidly, and how really > > seriously stupid I was. Look how much I walked in the road in front of > > moving traffic. This makes me someone to be reckoned with. " It is > nonsense. > > > > I think the reaosn is to get some feeling of being a worthwhile > person and > > cashing in on one's addiction career and trying to use that to be > " better " > > is the nearest some people get to that. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 1999 Report Share Posted October 4, 1999 --- dmarcoot@... wrote: > from my experince at aa, you hit nail on head. those > with worst war > stories (and for some reason they are the most pig > headed abusive ones > i knew) seemed to dominate (aka: bully) post meeting > life. > > jackandj-@... wrote: > original > article:/group/12-step-free/?start=8435 > > Interestingly, At the IOP (intensive outpatient > program) which was 1/2 > > 12step and 1/2 pop psychology, we were taught that > the table game and > > sportsbetting players took on average 15-20 years > to seek help, and > the > > video poker players managed to get dragged to > their bottom in an > > average of 3 years. > > > > Having never been a drinker, my inquiring mind > wants to know, is there > > a substance hierarchy at AA such as beer drinkers > at the bottom and > > Scotch Drinkers at the top? > > > > I can imagine the following scenarios: > > 1)At an actual meeting---Time of abstinance rules > > 2)Aftermeeting coffee, everyone with some > abstinance---lowest bottom > > rules: > > 3)All other things being equal---Scotch rules! > > > > Tell me if I'm wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > >At GA, It was the sports betters, and table > game losers at the top > > and > > > >the slot video poker losers at the bottom. > > > > > > Re NA, I always thought that the ex-cons and > heroin addictswho > > stressed the > > > credentials a lot only THOUGHT they were at the > top. Bragging about > > how bad > > > an addict you were and then almost in the same > breath saying how > glad > > you > > > are for all the god-given humility and > especially stressing how " it > > doesn't > > > matter what or how much you used " - it just > doesn't fit together. The > > > braggers were embarrassing to many. It is like > saying- " look how BAD > > a road > > > accident victim I am. Look how long I behaved > stupidly, and how > really > > > seriously stupid I was. Look how much I walked > in the road in front > of > > > moving traffic. This makes me someone to be > reckoned with. " It is > > nonsense. > > > > > > I think the reaosn is to get some feeling of > being a worthwhile > > person and > > > cashing in on one's addiction career and trying > to use that to be > > " better " > > > is the nearest some people get to that. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > eGroups.com home: > /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group > communications > > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 1999 Report Share Posted October 4, 1999 --- dmarcoot@... wrote: > from my experince at aa, you hit nail on head. those > with worst war > stories (and for some reason they are the most pig > headed abusive ones > i knew) seemed to dominate (aka: bully) post meeting > life. > > jackandj-@... wrote: > original > article:/group/12-step-free/?start=8435 > > Interestingly, At the IOP (intensive outpatient > program) which was 1/2 > > 12step and 1/2 pop psychology, we were taught that > the table game and > > sportsbetting players took on average 15-20 years > to seek help, and > the > > video poker players managed to get dragged to > their bottom in an > > average of 3 years. > > > > Having never been a drinker, my inquiring mind > wants to know, is there > > a substance hierarchy at AA such as beer drinkers > at the bottom and > > Scotch Drinkers at the top? > > > > I can imagine the following scenarios: > > 1)At an actual meeting---Time of abstinance rules > > 2)Aftermeeting coffee, everyone with some > abstinance---lowest bottom > > rules: > > 3)All other things being equal---Scotch rules! > > > > Tell me if I'm wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > >At GA, It was the sports betters, and table > game losers at the top > > and > > > >the slot video poker losers at the bottom. > > > > > > Re NA, I always thought that the ex-cons and > heroin addictswho > > stressed the > > > credentials a lot only THOUGHT they were at the > top. Bragging about > > how bad > > > an addict you were and then almost in the same > breath saying how > glad > > you > > > are for all the god-given humility and > especially stressing how " it > > doesn't > > > matter what or how much you used " - it just > doesn't fit together. The > > > braggers were embarrassing to many. It is like > saying- " look how BAD > > a road > > > accident victim I am. Look how long I behaved > stupidly, and how > really > > > seriously stupid I was. Look how much I walked > in the road in front > of > > > moving traffic. This makes me someone to be > reckoned with. " It is > > nonsense. > > > > > > I think the reaosn is to get some feeling of > being a worthwhile > > person and > > > cashing in on one's addiction career and trying > to use that to be > > " better " > > > is the nearest some people get to that. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > eGroups.com home: > /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group > communications > > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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