Guest guest Posted August 13, 1999 Report Share Posted August 13, 1999 So I had a problem gaining access to my email today. Obviously it's been resolved, but it weirded me out. I depend on email a lot and I immediately thought someone might be punishing me for getting uppity on this list. Yes, it's irrational. Yes, the odds against it are astronomical. Yes, I am a pusillanimous dust speck in the great scheme of things and pursuing me would be a waste of resources. Nevertheless...just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to getcha. And being unimportant hasn't protected me from being singled out for punishment in the past. Conversely, my big mouth has made me a hard-to-miss target more than once. Anyhoo, it feels good to talk about something bad that happened to me in a way that is tolerant and loving to myself. It's so easy to be tolerant to those who hurt me and so easy to be hard on myself. But just because it's easy, doesn't mean it's right. I thought 's question yesterday, about whether anyone ever feels overwhelmed by fighting a juggernaut like *A, was a really good one. I didn't know how to answer at the time but I do now. Yes, , I surely do feel overwhelmed. Just about every time I communicate honestly about how I feel about AA. But all I'm really doing is typing. Sitting at a keyboard and typing. If what I have to say influences the way people think and behave, and if that creates problems, I need to hear that directly from the person who is having a problem with me. If I do hear a direct request about using or not using specific language, or avoiding certain topics, I will definitely consider it. I'll probably respect it. But this environment is specific to a small group of people, a definite minority at least in Minnesota. If I can't tell the truth here, then where? judith, looking over her shoulder every 5 seconds ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 1999 Report Share Posted August 13, 1999 In a message dated 13/08/99 14:26:09 Eastern Daylight Time, joe-b@... writes: > Maybe I need to go and find 's message and reply to it directly, but > while I'm here... I think it is easy to see the objective as " fighting AA " > and in a sense that is true. But it certainly isn;t an impssible task! The > truth is out there already, just as it was when Galileo and Copernicus were > presenting their stoutly resisted ideas in opposition to what was widely > taught by the church. Nowadays it seems almost silly to have the reality of > the earth's orbit round the sun, or this planet's spherical shape <et cetera> Joe, I like what you have to say, but it would be a *lot* more readable if you used paragraphs. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 1999 Report Share Posted August 13, 1999 Not only those points for todays climate ring true but also consider that AA was nothing 70 years ago and started with (or as legend has it) two people. As the saying goes, if you build it they will come. rashle-@... wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=7408 > At 10:56 AM 8/13/99 PDT, you wrote: > >I thought 's question yesterday, about whether anyone ever feels > >overwhelmed by fighting a juggernaut like *A, was a really good one. I > >didn't know how to answer at the time but I do now. Yes, , I surely do > >feel overwhelmed. Just about every time I communicate honestly about how I > >feel about AA. > > Maybe I need to go and find 's message and reply to it directly, but > while I'm here... I think it is easy to see the objective as " fighting AA " > and in a sense that is true. But it certainly isn;t an impssible task! The > truth is out there already, just as it was when Galileo and Copernicus were > presenting their stoutly resisted ideas in opposition to what was widely > taught by the church. Nowadays it seems almost silly to have the reality of > the earth's orbit round the sun, or this planet's spherical shape defined > by those qualified only in religion! The forces that will change the face > of the recovery world are already at work and having an effect. The US > courts are redefining the recovery world quietly but surely. The discussion > of alternatives that demonstrate to those interested that there are indeed > alternatives to AA's approach- these things are not always directly > fighting aa, but more speaking directly to those who want to hear it and > establishing alternatove channels. If people who believe in alternatives > will support those alternatives and assist theor growth, things will surely > change. Myself, I put some energy into assisting the growth of such > alternatives. It is easy to see AA as so large and powerful that things > will never change- I don't think that is necessarily so. History shows the > possibility for widespread changes in popular culture and commonly accepted > beliefs and it is certainly possible that in our lifetimes the 12 step > influence will wane considerably. I can certainly see AA as a small > accessory for those who it appeals to, having entirely lost its dominance. > Most of AA's dominance was gained by being first, and by continually > presenting a very distorted view of the options and squashing dissent and > silencing outside information in the meetings. For a long time the options > for those who wanted help and information were AA meetings or (apparently) > nothing, so all they heard was the AA view. We now have a variety of books > that discuss the harmful effects of AA and the alternatives for recovery, > and we have the internet. We have alternative recovery programs of various > kinds and I think they are all growing while AA no longer grows in size. > Things are changing already. Believe it. > > Joe Berenbaum > mailto:joe-b@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 1999 Report Share Posted August 27, 1999 I am aware of these facts as well. AA history is largely built on such legends yet people really do want to believe them. That is the problem with ending an alcohol dependence and then creating a sobriety dependence on myth, heresay and mass agreenment. You get to believing you are like an inseperable siamese twin to AA. I suppose one could say the first six of Bill's AA missionary work were to work on his pitch. When it worked on Dr. Bob his confidence in thinking that he held the holy grail to alcohol abuse probably went over the top. > Like most AA legends, the " 2 ppl " is a lie. > > worked with alcoholics for 6 months before meeting , and NONE of > them got sober. is just thought co-founder because he was the first > who made it - perhaps because he COULDNT be indoctrinated by as they > lived many miles apart! > > similarly Ebby Thatcher, who first approached and got him into the > Oxford groups, couldnt stay sober either. > > Pete > > >From: rashley@... > >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups > >To: 12-step-freeeGroups > >Subject: Re: conspiracy > >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:58:32 -0700 > > > >Not only those points for todays climate ring true but also consider > >that AA was nothing 70 years ago and started with (or as legend has it) > >two people. > >As the saying goes, if you build it they will come. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 1999 Report Share Posted August 27, 1999 I am aware of these facts as well. AA history is largely built on such legends yet people really do want to believe them. That is the problem with ending an alcohol dependence and then creating a sobriety dependence on myth, heresay and mass agreenment. You get to believing you are like an inseperable siamese twin to AA. I suppose one could say the first six of Bill's AA missionary work were to work on his pitch. When it worked on Dr. Bob his confidence in thinking that he held the holy grail to alcohol abuse probably went over the top. > Like most AA legends, the " 2 ppl " is a lie. > > worked with alcoholics for 6 months before meeting , and NONE of > them got sober. is just thought co-founder because he was the first > who made it - perhaps because he COULDNT be indoctrinated by as they > lived many miles apart! > > similarly Ebby Thatcher, who first approached and got him into the > Oxford groups, couldnt stay sober either. > > Pete > > >From: rashley@... > >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups > >To: 12-step-freeeGroups > >Subject: Re: conspiracy > >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:58:32 -0700 > > > >Not only those points for todays climate ring true but also consider > >that AA was nothing 70 years ago and started with (or as legend has it) > >two people. > >As the saying goes, if you build it they will come. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 1999 Report Share Posted August 27, 1999 com, Gee, sounds kind of spooky. So what concept might you be speaking about? Perhaps you are familiar with BVRT. > rashley, > > This concept is so simple it is hard to believe however, it is in fact > very true. As a matter of fact it is blood sweat and tears true. > check it out. I will hold your hand if you would like. Steve G. > com259@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 1999 Report Share Posted August 28, 1999 I would appreciate it. I have a story to tell but I am afraid please help me through it. love, steve g. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 1999 Report Share Posted August 28, 1999 I would appreciate it. I have a story to tell but I am afraid please help me through it. love, steve g. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 1999 Report Share Posted August 28, 1999 Meaning? > I would appreciate it. I have a story to tell but I am afraid > please help me through it. > > love, > steve g. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 1999 Report Share Posted August 28, 1999 Meaning? > I would appreciate it. I have a story to tell but I am afraid > please help me through it. > > love, > steve g. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 1999 Report Share Posted August 30, 1999 dan_deleo-@... wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=7686 > com, > > Gee, sounds kind of spooky. So what concept might you be speaking > about? Perhaps you are familiar with BVRT. > > > > > rashley, > > > > This concept is so simple it is hard to believe however, it is in fact > > very true. As a matter of fact it is blood sweat and tears true. > > check it out. I will hold your hand if you would like. Steve G. > > com259@... > Hey people, I just subscribed after being referred by a friend who shares my inability, despite years of trying, to accept the 12-step ideology. Despite this I've stayed clean over nine years, which should come as a surprise only to those brain-washed by THE PROGRAM. My objections to it can be summed up by saying that it's authoritarian and religious, both of which are repugnant to me. Still, I've attended NA meetings consistently, as programmed to do in treatment, because I didn't want to return to the life I'd been leading and I'd been warned repeatedly that failure to do so would result in relapse and death. I go, keep my mouth shut, and leave feeling even worse because of being subjected to a barrage of dogma that contradicts my most basic beliefs, such as the ability of humans to be free and to follow their own conscience. The 12-step fanatics heap scorn on the notion that an addict is capable of doing anything other than use drugs and die unless he accepts their tutelage. Lately I've been attending an NA meeting started by people who question the NA program, where I feel able to share honestly and where I can define for myself why and how I'll stay clean and live my life, something impossible in most meetings, where the emphasis is on conforming to truths laid down years ago in some text (and possibly divine in origin). This is both liberating and difficult, as years in the program have done nothing for my ability to think critically or live my own life, but I intend to do just that. I look forward to getting to know everyone. Fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 1999 Report Share Posted August 30, 1999 Hi Fred: Welcome to the list. Some people are taking vacations so the list isn't too active right now, but please don't be discouraged. Maybe they'll come out of the woodwork. I'm happy to meet one more person with common sense who is not fodder for the regime. I'm currently working on a project with a metal-smith to manufacture exploding medallions - (10 years and up) in order to help subvert the movement. I'm also considering hiring a skywriter plane to fly over the upcoming AA world convention (to be scheduled in Indiana), with an appropriate message of some sort. Curious about two things... where is this NA meeting you describe? Which city? Is it listed on the directory? The other... I knew a really appealing man named Fred from the 12 step groups in my area. You don't happen to manufacture something that has to do with fish tanks do you? It's a long shot, but hey, I had to ask. Apple > > Hey people, > > I just subscribed after being referred by a friend who shares my > inability, despite years of trying, to accept the 12-step ideology. > Despite this I've stayed clean over nine years, which should come as a > surprise only to those brain-washed by THE PROGRAM. My objections to > it can be summed up by saying that it's authoritarian and religious, > both of which are repugnant to me. Still, I've attended NA meetings > consistently, as programmed to do in treatment, because I didn't want > to return to the life I'd been leading and I'd > been warned repeatedly that failure to do so would result in relapse > and death. > I go, keep my mouth shut, and leave feeling even worse because of being > subjected to a barrage of dogma that contradicts my most basic beliefs, > such as the ability of humans to be free and to follow their own > conscience. The 12-step fanatics heap scorn on the notion that an > addict is capable of doing anything other than use drugs and die unless > he accepts their tutelage. Lately I've been attending an NA meeting > started by people who question the NA program, where I feel able to > share honestly and where I can define for myself why and how I'll stay > clean and live my life, something impossible in most meetings, where > the emphasis is on conforming to truths laid down years ago in some > text (and possibly divine in origin). This is both liberating and > difficult, as years in the program have done nothing for my ability to > think critically or live my own life, but I intend to do just that. > > I look forward to getting to know everyone. > > Fred > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 1999 Report Share Posted August 30, 1999 Hi Fred, I resemble those remarks. Welcome aboard. > Hey people, > > I just subscribed after being referred by a friend who shares my > inability, despite years of trying, to accept the 12-step ideology. > Despite this I've stayed clean over nine years, which should come as a > surprise only to those brain-washed by THE PROGRAM. My objections to > it can be summed up by saying that it's authoritarian and religious, > both of which are repugnant to me. Still, I've attended NA meetings > consistently, as programmed to do in treatment, because I didn't want > to return to the life I'd been leading and I'd > been warned repeatedly that failure to do so would result in relapse > and death. > I go, keep my mouth shut, and leave feeling even worse because of being > subjected to a barrage of dogma that contradicts my most basic beliefs, > such as the ability of humans to be free and to follow their own > conscience. The 12-step fanatics heap scorn on the notion that an > addict is capable of doing anything other than use drugs and die unless > he accepts their tutelage. Lately I've been attending an NA meeting > started by people who question the NA program, where I feel able to > share honestly and where I can define for myself why and how I'll stay > clean and live my life, something impossible in most meetings, where > the emphasis is on conforming to truths laid down years ago in some > text (and possibly divine in origin). This is both liberating and > difficult, as years in the program have done nothing for my ability to > think critically or live my own life, but I intend to do just that. > > I look forward to getting to know everyone. > > Fred > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. > Start with up to 150 Points for joining! > http://clickhere./click/765 > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 1999 Report Share Posted August 30, 1999 appledtp@... wrote: I'm also considering hiring a skywriter plane to fly over the upcoming AA world convention (to be scheduled in Indiana), with an appropriate message of some sort. Hey Apple, I know the exploding medallion bit is a joke, but seriously how about really hiring a plane to tow a banner with an appropriate message like " AA not working? Visit aadeprogramming.com " I see them all the time at ball games and they always get my attention. It gets the message across without the horrible aftertaste that would come from the numerous caustic exchanges with AA hard-liners should you have a booth instead. It would totally avoid any needless abuse and reach the whole dang hive to boot. I can see it now. It's the Sunday Morning Closing Meeting at the Metrodome Stadium in Minneapolis Minnesota on July 2nd. 2000. A moment of silence is being reverently observed for the alcoholic who still suffers. Then from the distance the whine of a small aircraft engine pierces the calm. Growing louder still, 60,000 heads pivot to engage the source of the unwanted interruption. The congregation gasps as one as the offending message is absorbed. The crowd develops a huge resentment as the continuing whine of the aircraft overhead serves to add to their irritation. The keynote speaker attempts to calm the crowd with a timely recitation of the Serenity Prayer while simultaneously visualizing anti aircraft turrets around the perimeter of the stadium blasting the intruder from the sky. The moral high ground and serenity of the Sunday Morning Big Book Revival Meeting is lost. The 2000 Convention is ruined. Metrodome Stadium having emptied out, dejected volunteers wearing T-Shirts earned for their selfless service to the AA cause pick up the remaining debris and contemplate the slogan imprinted on their hallowed garments. PASS IT ON- INTO THE 21st. CENTURY Too bad it was fumbled on the one yard line. > > Hi Fred: > Welcome to the list. Some people are taking vacations so the list > isn't too active right now, but please don't be discouraged. Maybe > they'll come out of the woodwork. I'm happy to meet one more person > with common sense who is not fodder for the regime. > I'm currently working on a project with a metal-smith to manufacture > exploding medallions - (10 years and up) in order to help subvert the > movement. I'm also considering hiring a skywriter plane to fly over > the upcoming AA world convention (to be scheduled in Indiana), with an > appropriate message of some sort. > > Curious about two things... where is this NA meeting you describe? > Which city? Is it listed on the directory? > > The other... I knew a really appealing man named Fred from the 12 step > groups in my area. You don't happen to manufacture something that has > to do with fish tanks do you? It's a long shot, but hey, I had to ask. > Apple > > > > Hey people, > > > > I just subscribed after being referred by a friend who shares my > > inability, despite years of trying, to accept the 12-step ideology. > > Despite this I've stayed clean over nine years, which should come as a > > surprise only to those brain-washed by THE PROGRAM. My objections to > > it can be summed up by saying that it's authoritarian and religious, > > both of which are repugnant to me. Still, I've attended NA meetings > > consistently, as programmed to do in treatment, because I didn't want > > to return to the life I'd been leading and I'd > > been warned repeatedly that failure to do so would result in relapse > > and death. > > I go, keep my mouth shut, and leave feeling even worse because of > being > > subjected to a barrage of dogma that contradicts my most basic > beliefs, > > such as the ability of humans to be free and to follow their own > > conscience. The 12-step fanatics heap scorn on the notion that an > > addict is capable of doing anything other than use drugs and die > unless > > he accepts their tutelage. Lately I've been attending an NA meeting > > started by people who question the NA program, where I feel able to > > share honestly and where I can define for myself why and how I'll stay > > clean and live my life, something impossible in most meetings, where > > the emphasis is on conforming to truths laid down years ago in some > > text (and possibly divine in origin). This is both liberating and > > difficult, as years in the program have done nothing for my ability to > > think critically or live my own life, but I intend to do just that. > > > > I look forward to getting to know everyone. > > > > Fred > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. > Start with up to 150 Points for joining! > http://clickhere./click/765 > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 1999 Report Share Posted August 30, 1999 -----Original Message----- >...I'm currently working on a project with a metal-smith to manufacture >exploding medallions - (10 years and up) in order to help subvert the >movement. I'm also considering hiring a skywriter plane to fly over >the upcoming AA world convention (to be scheduled in Indiana), with an >appropriate message of some sort. Hi Apple, Have you considered getting some pamphlets printed up? What I'm thinking is that it would be nice to have some things to go into the AA literature racks at meetings. Ideally, they would look just like AA pamphlets to the casual observer, but be just different enough not to infringe on anybody's copyrights. Titles like " 44 Questions About Alcoholism " , " It's Just Like Sitting in a Jail Cell " , " Reclaiming Your Brain " , etc. Best regards, wally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 1999 Report Share Posted August 30, 1999 Cool Idea Wally, The only problem is we'd have to go to the meetings to keep the racks freshly stocked. " Wally T. " wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > > >...I'm currently working on a project with a metal-smith to manufacture > >exploding medallions - (10 years and up) in order to help subvert the > >movement. I'm also considering hiring a skywriter plane to fly over > >the upcoming AA world convention (to be scheduled in Indiana), with an > >appropriate message of some sort. > > Hi Apple, > > Have you considered getting some pamphlets printed up? What I'm thinking is > that it would be nice to have some things to go into the AA literature racks > at meetings. Ideally, they would look just like AA pamphlets to the casual > observer, but be just different enough not to infringe on anybody's > copyrights. Titles like " 44 Questions About Alcoholism " , " It's Just Like > Sitting in a Jail Cell " , " Reclaiming Your Brain " , etc. > > Best regards, > wally > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 1999 Report Share Posted August 30, 1999 Cool Idea Wally, The only problem is we'd have to go to the meetings to keep the racks freshly stocked. " Wally T. " wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > > >...I'm currently working on a project with a metal-smith to manufacture > >exploding medallions - (10 years and up) in order to help subvert the > >movement. I'm also considering hiring a skywriter plane to fly over > >the upcoming AA world convention (to be scheduled in Indiana), with an > >appropriate message of some sort. > > Hi Apple, > > Have you considered getting some pamphlets printed up? What I'm thinking is > that it would be nice to have some things to go into the AA literature racks > at meetings. Ideally, they would look just like AA pamphlets to the casual > observer, but be just different enough not to infringe on anybody's > copyrights. Titles like " 44 Questions About Alcoholism " , " It's Just Like > Sitting in a Jail Cell " , " Reclaiming Your Brain " , etc. > > Best regards, > wally > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 1999 Report Share Posted August 30, 1999 Actually I HAVE had this idea Wally. I worked for a foreign language translation firm for six years, and we translated some AA propaganda. At the time, I was stepper, and thought it to be an honor. I did the typesetting of several AA pamphlets (yes, the ones in the racks), but for use abroad. So I still have the files. I thought of doing one called " predators in the room " , or " some are sicker than others... but most are sicker than you think " What do you think? All these ideas are going to cost me a lot of money. Can anyone come up with any ideas that won't cost me any money??? Or will I have to go back to meetings & steal from the baskets? Apple > > >...I'm currently working on a project with a metal-smith to manufacture > >exploding medallions - (10 years and up) in order to help subvert the > >movement. I'm also considering hiring a skywriter plane to fly over > >the upcoming AA world convention (to be scheduled in Indiana), with an > >appropriate message of some sort. > > Hi Apple, > > Have you considered getting some pamphlets printed up? What I'm thinking is > that it would be nice to have some things to go into the AA literature racks > at meetings. Ideally, they would look just like AA pamphlets to the casual > observer, but be just different enough not to infringe on anybody's > copyrights. Titles like " 44 Questions About Alcoholism " , " It's Just Like > Sitting in a Jail Cell " , " Reclaiming Your Brain " , etc. > > Best regards, > wally > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 1999 Report Share Posted August 30, 1999 Actually I HAVE had this idea Wally. I worked for a foreign language translation firm for six years, and we translated some AA propaganda. At the time, I was stepper, and thought it to be an honor. I did the typesetting of several AA pamphlets (yes, the ones in the racks), but for use abroad. So I still have the files. I thought of doing one called " predators in the room " , or " some are sicker than others... but most are sicker than you think " What do you think? All these ideas are going to cost me a lot of money. Can anyone come up with any ideas that won't cost me any money??? Or will I have to go back to meetings & steal from the baskets? Apple > > >...I'm currently working on a project with a metal-smith to manufacture > >exploding medallions - (10 years and up) in order to help subvert the > >movement. I'm also considering hiring a skywriter plane to fly over > >the upcoming AA world convention (to be scheduled in Indiana), with an > >appropriate message of some sort. > > Hi Apple, > > Have you considered getting some pamphlets printed up? What I'm thinking is > that it would be nice to have some things to go into the AA literature racks > at meetings. Ideally, they would look just like AA pamphlets to the casual > observer, but be just different enough not to infringe on anybody's > copyrights. Titles like " 44 Questions About Alcoholism " , " It's Just Like > Sitting in a Jail Cell " , " Reclaiming Your Brain " , etc. > > Best regards, > wally > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 1999 Report Share Posted August 30, 1999 Actually I HAVE had this idea Wally. I worked for a foreign language translation firm for six years, and we translated some AA propaganda. At the time, I was stepper, and thought it to be an honor. I did the typesetting of several AA pamphlets (yes, the ones in the racks), but for use abroad. So I still have the files. I thought of doing one called " predators in the room " , or " some are sicker than others... but most are sicker than you think " What do you think? All these ideas are going to cost me a lot of money. Can anyone come up with any ideas that won't cost me any money??? Or will I have to go back to meetings & steal from the baskets? Apple > > >...I'm currently working on a project with a metal-smith to manufacture > >exploding medallions - (10 years and up) in order to help subvert the > >movement. I'm also considering hiring a skywriter plane to fly over > >the upcoming AA world convention (to be scheduled in Indiana), with an > >appropriate message of some sort. > > Hi Apple, > > Have you considered getting some pamphlets printed up? What I'm thinking is > that it would be nice to have some things to go into the AA literature racks > at meetings. Ideally, they would look just like AA pamphlets to the casual > observer, but be just different enough not to infringe on anybody's > copyrights. Titles like " 44 Questions About Alcoholism " , " It's Just Like > Sitting in a Jail Cell " , " Reclaiming Your Brain " , etc. > > Best regards, > wally > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 1999 Report Share Posted August 30, 1999 At 03:07 PM 30/08/99 -0700, you wrote: >Actually I HAVE had this idea Wally. I worked for a foreign language >translation firm for six years, and we translated some AA propaganda. >At the time, I was stepper, and thought it to be an honor. I did the >typesetting of several AA pamphlets (yes, the ones in the racks), but >for use abroad. So I still have the files. I thought of doing one >called " predators in the room " , or " some are sicker than others... but >most are sicker than you think " >What do you think? I wrote a humourous little thing about ten years ago, all about NA being cancelled as recent dicoveries demonstrated that there was no disease of addiction and the meetings, steps etc had all been cancelled, and it was a great joke and someone told me there was a copy on the wall in the NA WSO. Well the joke is- I was right! Anyway, you could do quite a lot of infomercial pamphlets, the possibilities are infinite; AA is Cancelled- Yup, Its Unnecessarry The Disease is Dead Does Your Meeting Shelter Predators? Newcomer Rape- A Group Takes Its Inventory (my personal favourite) Facts- Does AA Know What They Are? My Experience- A Member Talks Superstitious Nonsense Sponsor an Oldtimer (Is There An Elderly Fundamentalist Near You?) The Good Times (And Then I Came Here) Cult Religion- Hazelden Looks At AA Spirituality Disinformation, Dysfunction, Dishonesty, AA's Triple Legacy Assholism- The Hidden Legacy of 12 Step Programs Silence- The AA Predators Protection The Thatcher Hairstyle- Mature Women IN AA Speak Out and so on... >All these ideas are going to cost me a lot of money. Can anyone come >up with any ideas that won't cost me any money??? Or will I have to go >back to meetings & steal from the baskets? >Apple Maybe you would have a case for asking for youre basket contrinutions back since the information ( " alcoholism " is a disease, God and the steps are all the will save you, AA is an effective program, etc) turned out not to be true? Joe Berenbaum mailto:joe-b@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 1999 Report Share Posted August 30, 1999 At 03:07 PM 30/08/99 -0700, you wrote: >Actually I HAVE had this idea Wally. I worked for a foreign language >translation firm for six years, and we translated some AA propaganda. >At the time, I was stepper, and thought it to be an honor. I did the >typesetting of several AA pamphlets (yes, the ones in the racks), but >for use abroad. So I still have the files. I thought of doing one >called " predators in the room " , or " some are sicker than others... but >most are sicker than you think " >What do you think? I wrote a humourous little thing about ten years ago, all about NA being cancelled as recent dicoveries demonstrated that there was no disease of addiction and the meetings, steps etc had all been cancelled, and it was a great joke and someone told me there was a copy on the wall in the NA WSO. Well the joke is- I was right! Anyway, you could do quite a lot of infomercial pamphlets, the possibilities are infinite; AA is Cancelled- Yup, Its Unnecessarry The Disease is Dead Does Your Meeting Shelter Predators? Newcomer Rape- A Group Takes Its Inventory (my personal favourite) Facts- Does AA Know What They Are? My Experience- A Member Talks Superstitious Nonsense Sponsor an Oldtimer (Is There An Elderly Fundamentalist Near You?) The Good Times (And Then I Came Here) Cult Religion- Hazelden Looks At AA Spirituality Disinformation, Dysfunction, Dishonesty, AA's Triple Legacy Assholism- The Hidden Legacy of 12 Step Programs Silence- The AA Predators Protection The Thatcher Hairstyle- Mature Women IN AA Speak Out and so on... >All these ideas are going to cost me a lot of money. Can anyone come >up with any ideas that won't cost me any money??? Or will I have to go >back to meetings & steal from the baskets? >Apple Maybe you would have a case for asking for youre basket contrinutions back since the information ( " alcoholism " is a disease, God and the steps are all the will save you, AA is an effective program, etc) turned out not to be true? Joe Berenbaum mailto:joe-b@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 1999 Report Share Posted August 30, 1999 At 03:07 PM 30/08/99 -0700, you wrote: >Actually I HAVE had this idea Wally. I worked for a foreign language >translation firm for six years, and we translated some AA propaganda. >At the time, I was stepper, and thought it to be an honor. I did the >typesetting of several AA pamphlets (yes, the ones in the racks), but >for use abroad. So I still have the files. I thought of doing one >called " predators in the room " , or " some are sicker than others... but >most are sicker than you think " >What do you think? I wrote a humourous little thing about ten years ago, all about NA being cancelled as recent dicoveries demonstrated that there was no disease of addiction and the meetings, steps etc had all been cancelled, and it was a great joke and someone told me there was a copy on the wall in the NA WSO. Well the joke is- I was right! Anyway, you could do quite a lot of infomercial pamphlets, the possibilities are infinite; AA is Cancelled- Yup, Its Unnecessarry The Disease is Dead Does Your Meeting Shelter Predators? Newcomer Rape- A Group Takes Its Inventory (my personal favourite) Facts- Does AA Know What They Are? My Experience- A Member Talks Superstitious Nonsense Sponsor an Oldtimer (Is There An Elderly Fundamentalist Near You?) The Good Times (And Then I Came Here) Cult Religion- Hazelden Looks At AA Spirituality Disinformation, Dysfunction, Dishonesty, AA's Triple Legacy Assholism- The Hidden Legacy of 12 Step Programs Silence- The AA Predators Protection The Thatcher Hairstyle- Mature Women IN AA Speak Out and so on... >All these ideas are going to cost me a lot of money. Can anyone come >up with any ideas that won't cost me any money??? Or will I have to go >back to meetings & steal from the baskets? >Apple Maybe you would have a case for asking for youre basket contrinutions back since the information ( " alcoholism " is a disease, God and the steps are all the will save you, AA is an effective program, etc) turned out not to be true? Joe Berenbaum mailto:joe-b@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 1999 Report Share Posted August 30, 1999 A lovely offering of pamphlet titles. Actually, phony pamphlets could really wreack havoc. I love the idea. It's simply delicious. Joe, this bit below calls for one of your famous form letters, if you're in the mood. A form letter to the GSO, asking for our basket contributions back. Or we could do one of those chain e-mails that keeps circulating around the Internet. YOu know, the kind where after 150 signatures, it will be forwarded to the GSO. Apple > > Maybe you would have a case for asking for youre basket contrinutions back > since the information ( " alcoholism " is a disease, God and the steps are all > the will save you, AA is an effective program, etc) turned out not to be true? > > Joe Berenbaum > mailto:joe-b@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 1999 Report Share Posted August 30, 1999 A lovely offering of pamphlet titles. Actually, phony pamphlets could really wreack havoc. I love the idea. It's simply delicious. Joe, this bit below calls for one of your famous form letters, if you're in the mood. A form letter to the GSO, asking for our basket contributions back. Or we could do one of those chain e-mails that keeps circulating around the Internet. YOu know, the kind where after 150 signatures, it will be forwarded to the GSO. Apple > > Maybe you would have a case for asking for youre basket contrinutions back > since the information ( " alcoholism " is a disease, God and the steps are all > the will save you, AA is an effective program, etc) turned out not to be true? > > Joe Berenbaum > mailto:joe-b@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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