Guest guest Posted August 17, 1999 Report Share Posted August 17, 1999 Hi Rita, folks Imo The fact that Froistad did in fact confess to the Police later doesnt actually even prove that he did it (by the delusional argument), let alone prove that Shirk did the right thing - not least because the POlice werent interested UNTIL froistad confessed himself. Pete On Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:44:02 -0700 Railroad Rita wrote: > > > --- > > > > > > >This was the MM list, and yes, there was a big upset. But most of the > >list members did not believe him. He later confessed to the police. > > > > Yes, the Larry Froistad fiasco. But really there is no similarity to AA steps/confessions/amends and their supposed sanctity. The MM list was moderated by a licensed and respected psychologist, who thought Froistad might have been suffering from delusional depression (which often involves erroneously believing oneself guilty of heinous crimes) and urged him to seek professional assistance immediately, even giving him referrals to several colleagues in his county of residence. It was a judgement call. The pro-AA counselor lurking on the list (Shirk) thought the police should ascertain the truth or falsehood of the confession (which involved a fire several years earlier which wasn't even considered to be arson at the time) and only at that point should Froistad seek therapy. Shirk turned out to have done the right thing. > > It was a bizarre human drama, with many heavy ethical issues involved. Ethics are not any consideration in AA meetings, I don't think. > > ~Rita > > > >Apple wrote: > > >> Hi Judith: > >> You make some excellent points. The AA nark would never happen, and if > >> the scenario in your first paragraph were true, and I suspect it could > >> be, because the predator I'm speaking of, the one who inspired so much > >> of the site, is the self-appointed leader of the group. He hands out > >> commitments, sponsors many newcomers and the like. A lot of the women > >> don't like him, but I don't think they know how dangerous he is, and > >> they've chosen to be patient & tolerant. In this group, they all > >think > >> I " m the wacko, and I'd be the one they'd put away. > >> > >> There is an unwritten policy in 12 step groups (correct me guys if I'm > >> wrong), that a sponsor, should not report things confessed to the > >> police. this loosely applies to other members too. In fact, there was > >> an uproar a few months ago on the SOS list when one of the members > >> confessed to having murdered his daughter (?) in a blackout, and one > >of > >> the listmembers passed this information on to the police. Some of the > >> listmembers I hear were upset by the breech of confidence. > >> > >> Apple > > > > > --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET WHAT YOU DESERVE! A NextCard Platinum VISA: DOUBLE Rewards points, > NO annual fee & rates as low as 9.9% FIXED APR. Apply online today! > http://clickhere./click/606 > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > ---------------------- Pete Watts Owner PSY-PHAR Psychotherapy/Pharmacotherapy Outocomes Discussion PERSONALITY-DISORDERS Support/Discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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