Guest guest Posted August 16, 1999 Report Share Posted August 16, 1999 At 12:12 PM 8/16/1999 +0100, Krakatoa wrote: >A Scot asks: > >What is Armway? It's one of the oldest (? I first heard of it in early 1970's) and largest (as far as I know) " Multi-Level Marketing " companies. It's almost, but not quite, like a pyramid scam (there's actual product - laundry detergent, home cleaning pruoducts and such, but what they really try to sell is the idea of selling the Amway idea). Type Amway at yahoo.com and you'll see more than you wanted to know... ----- <http://listen.to/benbradley> New and Improved! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 1999 Report Share Posted August 16, 1999 So you've run into the parking space delusion too? BTW, there is a glitch in the new improved system, I didn't write the below, H. did. kayleigh-@... wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=7475 > Hi , > It blows my mind sometimes when I think of all the ritualized delusion > we practiced. Their nonstop magical thinking and preoccupation with a > Tzar of the universe who is at their beck and call to procure parking > spaces and supplying. rational thoughts to a mind that is constantly > immersed in fantasy. > > I went to the movies with a very good AA friend, and told him of my born > again moderate drinker status. He was a friend and didn't bury me under > a mound of slogans and platitudes. He was very cool. Concerned but > respectful. What gave me the creeps is that we ran into 2 other AA's > outside the multiplex. Inside the the theater the only decent seats > available were next to 2 completely different AA's, a couple of real > water walkers. > > So here I am watching a movie about ghosts(Sixth Sense) sandwiched in > between 3 pod people. What a magical thinking opportunity. I have > journals filled with the shit. You know that Christian slogan WWJD(what > would Jesus do?) I made up another one for me. WWCSD(what would Carl > Sagan do?) I'm going to reread THE DEMON HAUNTED WORLD by SAGAN again > and hopefully stave off a full blown relapse into AA's delusional mindset. > > > wrote: > > > > I too have heard similar statements and would have to say they are bare > > arsed lies based on denial of ones own thoughts. A result right out of > > ritualized brainwashing. It is follows along the lines of the same AA > > mysticism that god is the one who has removed the obsession rather than > > the individaul human being dealing with their own desire to drink. AA > > flat out denies that being responsible to deal with ones own desire is > > possible. So the logic in AA is that the desire comes from the > > individual but the individaul is not responsible for the desire. So > > denial of ones real thoughts plays right into this. The AA'ers think > > about drinking it just sounds good in meetings to say they don't; and > > many do very well believe this. This also points to how the program > > cultivates self deception about what one actually thinks about as an > > asset to working the program. For example, thinking aout drinking is bad > > so I didn't think about it. Thinking about drinking is only a thought. I > > try to be as clear as possible with myself about what I think. I want to > > be as aware as possible about what I am really thinking, then, as far > > as what I do in my behavior it is my choice and another matter. > > One of the scariest things about the way AA'ers deal with desires and > > thoughts is they truly believe that god not they are responsible. Has > > anyone ever heard such things as, I am an alcoholic and drinking is what > > I do but I haven't had a drink today and that is evidence of god working > > in my life. Pass the hat, time to barf. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > I'd often heard this in AA meetings, and through most of my going to > > AA it was true for me too - this is not a slogan, but an observation > > that > > is sometimes made in AA meetings: " Nowadays, with a little time sober, > > the > > only time I even think about drinking is when I'm in an AA meeting. " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 1999 Report Share Posted August 16, 1999 So you've run into the parking space delusion too? BTW, there is a glitch in the new improved system, I didn't write the below, H. did. kayleigh-@... wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=7475 > Hi , > It blows my mind sometimes when I think of all the ritualized delusion > we practiced. Their nonstop magical thinking and preoccupation with a > Tzar of the universe who is at their beck and call to procure parking > spaces and supplying. rational thoughts to a mind that is constantly > immersed in fantasy. > > I went to the movies with a very good AA friend, and told him of my born > again moderate drinker status. He was a friend and didn't bury me under > a mound of slogans and platitudes. He was very cool. Concerned but > respectful. What gave me the creeps is that we ran into 2 other AA's > outside the multiplex. Inside the the theater the only decent seats > available were next to 2 completely different AA's, a couple of real > water walkers. > > So here I am watching a movie about ghosts(Sixth Sense) sandwiched in > between 3 pod people. What a magical thinking opportunity. I have > journals filled with the shit. You know that Christian slogan WWJD(what > would Jesus do?) I made up another one for me. WWCSD(what would Carl > Sagan do?) I'm going to reread THE DEMON HAUNTED WORLD by SAGAN again > and hopefully stave off a full blown relapse into AA's delusional mindset. > > > wrote: > > > > I too have heard similar statements and would have to say they are bare > > arsed lies based on denial of ones own thoughts. A result right out of > > ritualized brainwashing. It is follows along the lines of the same AA > > mysticism that god is the one who has removed the obsession rather than > > the individaul human being dealing with their own desire to drink. AA > > flat out denies that being responsible to deal with ones own desire is > > possible. So the logic in AA is that the desire comes from the > > individual but the individaul is not responsible for the desire. So > > denial of ones real thoughts plays right into this. The AA'ers think > > about drinking it just sounds good in meetings to say they don't; and > > many do very well believe this. This also points to how the program > > cultivates self deception about what one actually thinks about as an > > asset to working the program. For example, thinking aout drinking is bad > > so I didn't think about it. Thinking about drinking is only a thought. I > > try to be as clear as possible with myself about what I think. I want to > > be as aware as possible about what I am really thinking, then, as far > > as what I do in my behavior it is my choice and another matter. > > One of the scariest things about the way AA'ers deal with desires and > > thoughts is they truly believe that god not they are responsible. Has > > anyone ever heard such things as, I am an alcoholic and drinking is what > > I do but I haven't had a drink today and that is evidence of god working > > in my life. Pass the hat, time to barf. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > I'd often heard this in AA meetings, and through most of my going to > > AA it was true for me too - this is not a slogan, but an observation > > that > > is sometimes made in AA meetings: " Nowadays, with a little time sober, > > the > > only time I even think about drinking is when I'm in an AA meeting. " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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