Re: Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

[Guest guest]

Jan,

This does not seem to me to be the forum for your email.

Madalyn

________________________________

To: rd-usa

Sent: Thu, April 1, 2010 9:47:40 AM

Subject: Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

 

I found this interesting and personally related to the Health Care Bill.

More comments below.

Jan Patenaude

This teacher is truly a genius! (photo removed - don't know if accurate,

but sounds plausible).

As the late said, " you cannot multiply wealth by dividing

it. "

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had

never

failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class.

That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked, and that no one

would

be poor and no one would be rich --- a great equalizer. The professor then

said,

" OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan " . All grades

would

be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade, so no one would

fail

and no one would receive an A. After the first test, the grades were

averaged

and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset, and the

students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around,

the

students who studied little had studied even less, and the ones who

studied hard

decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little. The second

test average

was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average

was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all

resulted in hard

feelings, and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All

failed, to their

great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also

ultimately fail

because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when

government

takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

I work hard to stay healthy. For MANY years I never carried insurance

because I take care to protect my personal health. If I need health care, I pay

out of pocket. When I needed 4 stitches in my upper lip (face plant when

rock climbing - my husband did the 4 stitches in about 20 minutes. (The ER

would have charged me nearly $1000 for the same service, and no, my hubby

isn't a doctor - had field surgery training before he went to Vietnam - the

scar is barely noticeable.)

So, now, I'm supposed to pay for health care for all the people that don't

give a crap about their health and run to the doctor for every cough,

fever, lap band and for perfectly preventable things if they just took care of

their health or addressed their personal addiction issues.

Now, coverage for catestrophic stuff? Yes. Do people end up with health

problems over which they have NO control? Yes.

But, a new health care bill that includes components for nationalizing

Student Loans? What does that have to do with health care.

A bill written by lawyers that has NO tort reform so that docs still have

to pay HUGE insurance premiums just to practice? Why wasn't that addresses?

Of course, we ALL know why.

It's pathetic.

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

Consultant, Writer, Speaker

Director of Medical Nutrition

Signet Diagnostic Corporation

(Mountain Time)

Fax:

DineRight4aol (DOT) com

[Guest guest]

Jan,

This does not seem to me to be the forum for your email.

Madalyn

________________________________

To: rd-usa

Sent: Thu, April 1, 2010 9:47:40 AM

Subject: Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

 

I found this interesting and personally related to the Health Care Bill.

More comments below.

Jan Patenaude

This teacher is truly a genius! (photo removed - don't know if accurate,

but sounds plausible).

As the late said, " you cannot multiply wealth by dividing

it. "

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had

never

failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class.

That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked, and that no one

would

be poor and no one would be rich --- a great equalizer. The professor then

said,

" OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan " . All grades

would

be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade, so no one would

fail

and no one would receive an A. After the first test, the grades were

averaged

and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset, and the

students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around,

the

students who studied little had studied even less, and the ones who

studied hard

decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little. The second

test average

was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average

was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all

resulted in hard

feelings, and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All

failed, to their

great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also

ultimately fail

because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when

government

takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

I work hard to stay healthy. For MANY years I never carried insurance

because I take care to protect my personal health. If I need health care, I pay

out of pocket. When I needed 4 stitches in my upper lip (face plant when

rock climbing - my husband did the 4 stitches in about 20 minutes. (The ER

would have charged me nearly $1000 for the same service, and no, my hubby

isn't a doctor - had field surgery training before he went to Vietnam - the

scar is barely noticeable.)

So, now, I'm supposed to pay for health care for all the people that don't

give a crap about their health and run to the doctor for every cough,

fever, lap band and for perfectly preventable things if they just took care of

their health or addressed their personal addiction issues.

Now, coverage for catestrophic stuff? Yes. Do people end up with health

problems over which they have NO control? Yes.

But, a new health care bill that includes components for nationalizing

Student Loans? What does that have to do with health care.

A bill written by lawyers that has NO tort reform so that docs still have

to pay HUGE insurance premiums just to practice? Why wasn't that addresses?

Of course, we ALL know why.

It's pathetic.

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

Consultant, Writer, Speaker

Director of Medical Nutrition

Signet Diagnostic Corporation

(Mountain Time)

Fax:

DineRight4aol (DOT) com

[Guest guest]

Madalyn, About your opinon, that this is not the forum for this email - I wonder

why? can you explain so I can understand?

I find that it is very relevant to all our predicaments and future. I for one

am convinced it's the beginning of the end of what the American Constitution

stands for as I understand it from my history lessons. Let's just say some are

to the left, others to the right, and the terrible tug-of-war will put us all

face down in the mud. voices such as Jan's must be heard and paid attention to,

not squelched (as if Jan could ever be squelched!).

To further state my poin:

1.. this article is relevant to the healthcare bill and we're healthcare

providers as well as healthcare consumers

2.. this article states a different point of view, proving America is still a

democracy and freedom of speech can still be exercised w/o punishment

3.. this article is lcidly written and comprehensively stated as one person's

opinion, and we're all entitled to our own opinions

4.. we're all concerned about " the economy " = mainly our own pockets; how

we're keeping our income sources viable = whether it's our jobs or contracts or

retirement pensions or SSI payments; and (therefore Jan) does have a

point there. How can less be more?

If you take a pie, let's say a 10 inch pie, and eat it, it's all yours, you get

the whole pie.

If you take the same pie and divide it among your family member, let's say 4

people, you each get a fourth of a pie, still pretty substantial, right?

But....

If you take the same pie and divide it among 12 people, or better yet, let's be

really generous and divide it among 50 or 60 or....... how about looking really

really good and divide it among 100 people!!! what size piece of pie will we

get? how many will it really feed and nourish? who can survive on a 1000th piece

of pie?

Same thing with healthcare funds. In this case it's not a party. The more isn't

the merrier. It can't be. It's a matter of simple arithmetic. The more parts you

divide something into the smaller the parts until suddenly, they're all gone.

Nothing left. Nada nada nada...

Digna

Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

I found this interesting and personally related to the Health Care Bill.

More comments below.

Jan Patenaude

This teacher is truly a genius! (photo removed - don't know if accurate,

but sounds plausible).

As the late said, " you cannot multiply wealth by dividing

it. "

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had

never

failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class.

That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked, and that no one

would

be poor and no one would be rich --- a great equalizer. The professor then

said,

" OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan " . All grades

would

be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade, so no one would

fail

and no one would receive an A. After the first test, the grades were

averaged

and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset, and the

students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around,

the

students who studied little had studied even less, and the ones who

studied hard

decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little. The second

test average

was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average

was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all

resulted in hard

feelings, and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All

failed, to their

great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also

ultimately fail

because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when

government

takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

I work hard to stay healthy. For MANY years I never carried insurance

because I take care to protect my personal health. If I need health care, I

pay

out of pocket. When I needed 4 stitches in my upper lip (face plant when

rock climbing - my husband did the 4 stitches in about 20 minutes. (The ER

would have charged me nearly $1000 for the same service, and no, my hubby

isn't a doctor - had field surgery training before he went to Vietnam - the

scar is barely noticeable.)

So, now, I'm supposed to pay for health care for all the people that don't

give a crap about their health and run to the doctor for every cough,

fever, lap band and for perfectly preventable things if they just took care of

their health or addressed their personal addiction issues.

Now, coverage for catestrophic stuff? Yes. Do people end up with health

problems over which they have NO control? Yes.

But, a new health care bill that includes components for nationalizing

Student Loans? What does that have to do with health care.

A bill written by lawyers that has NO tort reform so that docs still have

to pay HUGE insurance premiums just to practice? Why wasn't that addresses?

Of course, we ALL know why.

It's pathetic.

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

Consultant, Writer, Speaker

Director of Medical Nutrition

Signet Diagnostic Corporation

(Mountain Time)

Fax:

DineRight4aol (DOT) com

[Guest guest]

Madalyn, About your opinon, that this is not the forum for this email - I wonder

why? can you explain so I can understand?

I find that it is very relevant to all our predicaments and future. I for one

am convinced it's the beginning of the end of what the American Constitution

stands for as I understand it from my history lessons. Let's just say some are

to the left, others to the right, and the terrible tug-of-war will put us all

face down in the mud. voices such as Jan's must be heard and paid attention to,

not squelched (as if Jan could ever be squelched!).

To further state my poin:

1.. this article is relevant to the healthcare bill and we're healthcare

providers as well as healthcare consumers

2.. this article states a different point of view, proving America is still a

democracy and freedom of speech can still be exercised w/o punishment

3.. this article is lcidly written and comprehensively stated as one person's

opinion, and we're all entitled to our own opinions

4.. we're all concerned about " the economy " = mainly our own pockets; how

we're keeping our income sources viable = whether it's our jobs or contracts or

retirement pensions or SSI payments; and (therefore Jan) does have a

point there. How can less be more?

If you take a pie, let's say a 10 inch pie, and eat it, it's all yours, you get

the whole pie.

If you take the same pie and divide it among your family member, let's say 4

people, you each get a fourth of a pie, still pretty substantial, right?

But....

If you take the same pie and divide it among 12 people, or better yet, let's be

really generous and divide it among 50 or 60 or....... how about looking really

really good and divide it among 100 people!!! what size piece of pie will we

get? how many will it really feed and nourish? who can survive on a 1000th piece

of pie?

Same thing with healthcare funds. In this case it's not a party. The more isn't

the merrier. It can't be. It's a matter of simple arithmetic. The more parts you

divide something into the smaller the parts until suddenly, they're all gone.

Nothing left. Nada nada nada...

Digna

Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

I found this interesting and personally related to the Health Care Bill.

More comments below.

Jan Patenaude

This teacher is truly a genius! (photo removed - don't know if accurate,

but sounds plausible).

As the late said, " you cannot multiply wealth by dividing

it. "

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had

never

failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class.

That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked, and that no one

would

be poor and no one would be rich --- a great equalizer. The professor then

said,

" OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan " . All grades

would

be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade, so no one would

fail

and no one would receive an A. After the first test, the grades were

averaged

and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset, and the

students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around,

the

students who studied little had studied even less, and the ones who

studied hard

decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little. The second

test average

was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average

was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all

resulted in hard

feelings, and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All

failed, to their

great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also

ultimately fail

because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when

government

takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

I work hard to stay healthy. For MANY years I never carried insurance

because I take care to protect my personal health. If I need health care, I

pay

out of pocket. When I needed 4 stitches in my upper lip (face plant when

rock climbing - my husband did the 4 stitches in about 20 minutes. (The ER

would have charged me nearly $1000 for the same service, and no, my hubby

isn't a doctor - had field surgery training before he went to Vietnam - the

scar is barely noticeable.)

So, now, I'm supposed to pay for health care for all the people that don't

give a crap about their health and run to the doctor for every cough,

fever, lap band and for perfectly preventable things if they just took care of

their health or addressed their personal addiction issues.

Now, coverage for catestrophic stuff? Yes. Do people end up with health

problems over which they have NO control? Yes.

But, a new health care bill that includes components for nationalizing

Student Loans? What does that have to do with health care.

A bill written by lawyers that has NO tort reform so that docs still have

to pay HUGE insurance premiums just to practice? Why wasn't that addresses?

Of course, we ALL know why.

It's pathetic.

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

Consultant, Writer, Speaker

Director of Medical Nutrition

Signet Diagnostic Corporation

(Mountain Time)

Fax:

DineRight4aol (DOT) com

[Guest guest]

Jan,

I appreciate your message (and the math professor's example). As for Madalyn's

comment about this forum--we are all affected, and we all have a voice. As

healthcare professionals we also have to navigate the reforms on another level

too. We are all big girls (and boys) here, and I trust professionally we are

able to cut through opinion to the meat of the matter. Of course we all have

opinions about it too and I am not offended when I hear either side's opinion

expressed. I find that the more input I receive the better--I am able to

formulate my own understanding but with reform this massive the more input the

better. I heard today that many in Congress still do not understand it all.

Respectfully,

Diane Preves, M.S., R.D.

N.E.W. LIFE (Nutrition, Exercise, Wellness for LIFE)

www.newlifeforhealth.com

e-mail: newlife4health@..., newlife@...

http://www.linkedin.com/in/newlifedianepreves

http://www.facebook.com/people/Diane-Preves/1357243185

http://twitter.com/DianePreves

Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

I found this interesting and personally related to the Health Care Bill.

More comments below.

Jan Patenaude

This teacher is truly a genius! (photo removed - don't know if accurate,

but sounds plausible).

As the late said, " you cannot multiply wealth by dividing

it. "

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had

never

failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class.

That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked, and that no one

would

be poor and no one would be rich --- a great equalizer. The professor then

said,

" OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan " . All grades

would

be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade, so no one would

fail

and no one would receive an A. After the first test, the grades were

averaged

and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset, and the

students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around,

the

students who studied little had studied even less, and the ones who

studied hard

decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little. The second

test average

was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average

was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all

resulted in hard

feelings, and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All

failed, to their

great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also

ultimately fail

because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when

government

takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

I work hard to stay healthy. For MANY years I never carried insurance

because I take care to protect my personal health. If I need health care, I

pay

out of pocket. When I needed 4 stitches in my upper lip (face plant when

rock climbing - my husband did the 4 stitches in about 20 minutes. (The ER

would have charged me nearly $1000 for the same service, and no, my hubby

isn't a doctor - had field surgery training before he went to Vietnam - the

scar is barely noticeable.)

So, now, I'm supposed to pay for health care for all the people that don't

give a crap about their health and run to the doctor for every cough,

fever, lap band and for perfectly preventable things if they just took care of

their health or addressed their personal addiction issues.

Now, coverage for catestrophic stuff? Yes. Do people end up with health

problems over which they have NO control? Yes.

But, a new health care bill that includes components for nationalizing

Student Loans? What does that have to do with health care.

A bill written by lawyers that has NO tort reform so that docs still have

to pay HUGE insurance premiums just to practice? Why wasn't that addresses?

Of course, we ALL know why.

It's pathetic.

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

Consultant, Writer, Speaker

Director of Medical Nutrition

Signet Diagnostic Corporation

(Mountain Time)

Fax:

DineRight4aol (DOT) com

[Guest guest]

Jan,

I appreciate your message (and the math professor's example). As for Madalyn's

comment about this forum--we are all affected, and we all have a voice. As

healthcare professionals we also have to navigate the reforms on another level

too. We are all big girls (and boys) here, and I trust professionally we are

able to cut through opinion to the meat of the matter. Of course we all have

opinions about it too and I am not offended when I hear either side's opinion

expressed. I find that the more input I receive the better--I am able to

formulate my own understanding but with reform this massive the more input the

better. I heard today that many in Congress still do not understand it all.

Respectfully,

Diane Preves, M.S., R.D.

N.E.W. LIFE (Nutrition, Exercise, Wellness for LIFE)

www.newlifeforhealth.com

e-mail: newlife4health@..., newlife@...

http://www.linkedin.com/in/newlifedianepreves

http://www.facebook.com/people/Diane-Preves/1357243185

http://twitter.com/DianePreves

Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

I found this interesting and personally related to the Health Care Bill.

More comments below.

Jan Patenaude

This teacher is truly a genius! (photo removed - don't know if accurate,

but sounds plausible).

As the late said, " you cannot multiply wealth by dividing

it. "

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had

never

failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class.

That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked, and that no one

would

be poor and no one would be rich --- a great equalizer. The professor then

said,

" OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan " . All grades

would

be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade, so no one would

fail

and no one would receive an A. After the first test, the grades were

averaged

and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset, and the

students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around,

the

students who studied little had studied even less, and the ones who

studied hard

decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little. The second

test average

was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average

was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all

resulted in hard

feelings, and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All

failed, to their

great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also

ultimately fail

because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when

government

takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

I work hard to stay healthy. For MANY years I never carried insurance

because I take care to protect my personal health. If I need health care, I

pay

out of pocket. When I needed 4 stitches in my upper lip (face plant when

rock climbing - my husband did the 4 stitches in about 20 minutes. (The ER

would have charged me nearly $1000 for the same service, and no, my hubby

isn't a doctor - had field surgery training before he went to Vietnam - the

scar is barely noticeable.)

So, now, I'm supposed to pay for health care for all the people that don't

give a crap about their health and run to the doctor for every cough,

fever, lap band and for perfectly preventable things if they just took care of

their health or addressed their personal addiction issues.

Now, coverage for catestrophic stuff? Yes. Do people end up with health

problems over which they have NO control? Yes.

But, a new health care bill that includes components for nationalizing

Student Loans? What does that have to do with health care.

A bill written by lawyers that has NO tort reform so that docs still have

to pay HUGE insurance premiums just to practice? Why wasn't that addresses?

Of course, we ALL know why.

It's pathetic.

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

Consultant, Writer, Speaker

Director of Medical Nutrition

Signet Diagnostic Corporation

(Mountain Time)

Fax:

DineRight4aol (DOT) com

[Guest guest]

Diane,

Who authored the bill?

Who read it in its entirety?

Who clarified any discrepancies? any misunderstanding or double-speak?

Who actually understands it?

I think the answere to all of the above is.........nobody!

The way I see it, is that if your area's funding wasn't cut, you think you're

OK. Great dream, but I trust the check isn't in the mail............ and so on

and so forth but I don't want my email to be deleted for profane statements.

Who understands this bill? I'd like to know.

Digna

Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

I found this interesting and personally related to the Health Care Bill.

More comments below.

Jan Patenaude

This teacher is truly a genius! (photo removed - don't know if accurate,

but sounds plausible).

As the late said, " you cannot multiply wealth by dividing

it. "

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had

never

failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class.

That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked, and that no one

would

be poor and no one would be rich --- a great equalizer. The professor then

said,

" OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan " . All grades

would

be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade, so no one would

fail

and no one would receive an A. After the first test, the grades were

averaged

and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset, and the

students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around,

the

students who studied little had studied even less, and the ones who

studied hard

decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little. The second

test average

was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average

was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all

resulted in hard

feelings, and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All

failed, to their

great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also

ultimately fail

because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when

government

takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

I work hard to stay healthy. For MANY years I never carried insurance

because I take care to protect my personal health. If I need health care, I

pay

out of pocket. When I needed 4 stitches in my upper lip (face plant when

rock climbing - my husband did the 4 stitches in about 20 minutes. (The ER

would have charged me nearly $1000 for the same service, and no, my hubby

isn't a doctor - had field surgery training before he went to Vietnam - the

scar is barely noticeable.)

So, now, I'm supposed to pay for health care for all the people that don't

give a crap about their health and run to the doctor for every cough,

fever, lap band and for perfectly preventable things if they just took care of

their health or addressed their personal addiction issues.

Now, coverage for catestrophic stuff? Yes. Do people end up with health

problems over which they have NO control? Yes.

But, a new health care bill that includes components for nationalizing

Student Loans? What does that have to do with health care.

A bill written by lawyers that has NO tort reform so that docs still have

to pay HUGE insurance premiums just to practice? Why wasn't that addresses?

Of course, we ALL know why.

It's pathetic.

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

Consultant, Writer, Speaker

Director of Medical Nutrition

Signet Diagnostic Corporation

(Mountain Time)

Fax:

DineRight4aol (DOT) com

[Guest guest]

Diane,

Who authored the bill?

Who read it in its entirety?

Who clarified any discrepancies? any misunderstanding or double-speak?

Who actually understands it?

I think the answere to all of the above is.........nobody!

The way I see it, is that if your area's funding wasn't cut, you think you're

OK. Great dream, but I trust the check isn't in the mail............ and so on

and so forth but I don't want my email to be deleted for profane statements.

Who understands this bill? I'd like to know.

Digna

Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

I found this interesting and personally related to the Health Care Bill.

More comments below.

Jan Patenaude

This teacher is truly a genius! (photo removed - don't know if accurate,

but sounds plausible).

As the late said, " you cannot multiply wealth by dividing

it. "

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had

never

failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class.

That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked, and that no one

would

be poor and no one would be rich --- a great equalizer. The professor then

said,

" OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan " . All grades

would

be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade, so no one would

fail

and no one would receive an A. After the first test, the grades were

averaged

and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset, and the

students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around,

the

students who studied little had studied even less, and the ones who

studied hard

decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little. The second

test average

was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average

was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all

resulted in hard

feelings, and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All

failed, to their

great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also

ultimately fail

because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when

government

takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

I work hard to stay healthy. For MANY years I never carried insurance

because I take care to protect my personal health. If I need health care, I

pay

out of pocket. When I needed 4 stitches in my upper lip (face plant when

rock climbing - my husband did the 4 stitches in about 20 minutes. (The ER

would have charged me nearly $1000 for the same service, and no, my hubby

isn't a doctor - had field surgery training before he went to Vietnam - the

scar is barely noticeable.)

So, now, I'm supposed to pay for health care for all the people that don't

give a crap about their health and run to the doctor for every cough,

fever, lap band and for perfectly preventable things if they just took care of

their health or addressed their personal addiction issues.

Now, coverage for catestrophic stuff? Yes. Do people end up with health

problems over which they have NO control? Yes.

But, a new health care bill that includes components for nationalizing

Student Loans? What does that have to do with health care.

A bill written by lawyers that has NO tort reform so that docs still have

to pay HUGE insurance premiums just to practice? Why wasn't that addresses?

Of course, we ALL know why.

It's pathetic.

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

Consultant, Writer, Speaker

Director of Medical Nutrition

Signet Diagnostic Corporation

(Mountain Time)

Fax:

DineRight4aol (DOT) com

[Guest guest]

Good comments, Digna. I agree with everything but the statement that we are

still a democracy. Don’t forget from your history that we are not a democracy,

but a republic. We are soon going to find out how that works, with the States

suing the “Federal†government. The Federal government is based on a

republic, not a democracy. It is a federation of states. There is state

sovereignty in our “Constitutional republic of self-governance under the rule

of lawâ€, not the rule of man, but the rule of the “law of nature and

nature’s Godâ€.

Quote Worthy: " The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal

government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State

governments are numerous and indefinite. " -- Madison, Federalist No. 45

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Digna

Cassens

Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 11:05 PM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

Madalyn, About your opinon, that this is not the forum for this email - I wonder

why? can you explain so I can understand?

I find that it is very relevant to all our predicaments and future. I for one am

convinced it's the beginning of the end of what the American Constitution stands

for as I understand it from my history lessons. Let's just say some are to the

left, others to the right, and the terrible tug-of-war will put us all face down

in the mud. voices such as Jan's must be heard and paid attention to, not

squelched (as if Jan could ever be squelched!).

To further state my poin:

1.. this article is relevant to the healthcare bill and we're healthcare

providers as well as healthcare consumers

2.. this article states a different point of view, proving America is still a

democracy and freedom of speech can still be exercised w/o punishment

3.. this article is lcidly written and comprehensively stated as one person's

opinion, and we're all entitled to our own opinions

4.. we're all concerned about " the economy " = mainly our own pockets; how we're

keeping our income sources viable = whether it's our jobs or contracts or

retirement pensions or SSI payments; and (therefore Jan) does have a

point there. How can less be more?

If you take a pie, let's say a 10 inch pie, and eat it, it's all yours, you get

the whole pie.

If you take the same pie and divide it among your family member, let's say 4

people, you each get a fourth of a pie, still pretty substantial, right?

But....

If you take the same pie and divide it among 12 people, or better yet, let's be

really generous and divide it among 50 or 60 or....... how about looking really

really good and divide it among 100 people!!! what size piece of pie will we

get? how many will it really feed and nourish? who can survive on a 1000th piece

of pie?

Same thing with healthcare funds. In this case it's not a party. The more isn't

the merrier. It can't be. It's a matter of simple arithmetic. The more parts you

divide something into the smaller the parts until suddenly, they're all gone.

Nothing left. Nada nada nada...

Digna

Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

I found this interesting and personally related to the Health Care Bill.

More comments below.

Jan Patenaude

This teacher is truly a genius! (photo removed - don't know if accurate,

but sounds plausible).

As the late said, " you cannot multiply wealth by dividing

it. "

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had

never

failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class.

That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked, and that no one

would

be poor and no one would be rich --- a great equalizer. The professor then

said,

" OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan " . All grades

would

be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade, so no one would

fail

and no one would receive an A. After the first test, the grades were

averaged

and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset, and the

students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around,

the

students who studied little had studied even less, and the ones who

studied hard

decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little. The second

test average

was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average

was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all

resulted in hard

feelings, and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All

failed, to their

great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also

ultimately fail

because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when

government

takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

I work hard to stay healthy. For MANY years I never carried insurance

because I take care to protect my personal health. If I need health care, I pay

out of pocket. When I needed 4 stitches in my upper lip (face plant when

rock climbing - my husband did the 4 stitches in about 20 minutes. (The ER

would have charged me nearly $1000 for the same service, and no, my hubby

isn't a doctor - had field surgery training before he went to Vietnam - the

scar is barely noticeable.)

So, now, I'm supposed to pay for health care for all the people that don't

give a crap about their health and run to the doctor for every cough,

fever, lap band and for perfectly preventable things if they just took care of

their health or addressed their personal addiction issues.

Now, coverage for catestrophic stuff? Yes. Do people end up with health

problems over which they have NO control? Yes.

But, a new health care bill that includes components for nationalizing

Student Loans? What does that have to do with health care.

A bill written by lawyers that has NO tort reform so that docs still have

to pay HUGE insurance premiums just to practice? Why wasn't that addresses?

Of course, we ALL know why.

It's pathetic.

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

Consultant, Writer, Speaker

Director of Medical Nutrition

Signet Diagnostic Corporation

(Mountain Time)

Fax:

DineRight4aol (DOT) com

[Guest guest]

Good comments, Digna. I agree with everything but the statement that we are

still a democracy. Don’t forget from your history that we are not a democracy,

but a republic. We are soon going to find out how that works, with the States

suing the “Federal†government. The Federal government is based on a

republic, not a democracy. It is a federation of states. There is state

sovereignty in our “Constitutional republic of self-governance under the rule

of lawâ€, not the rule of man, but the rule of the “law of nature and

nature’s Godâ€.

Quote Worthy: " The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal

government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State

governments are numerous and indefinite. " -- Madison, Federalist No. 45

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Digna

Cassens

Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 11:05 PM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

Madalyn, About your opinon, that this is not the forum for this email - I wonder

why? can you explain so I can understand?

I find that it is very relevant to all our predicaments and future. I for one am

convinced it's the beginning of the end of what the American Constitution stands

for as I understand it from my history lessons. Let's just say some are to the

left, others to the right, and the terrible tug-of-war will put us all face down

in the mud. voices such as Jan's must be heard and paid attention to, not

squelched (as if Jan could ever be squelched!).

To further state my poin:

1.. this article is relevant to the healthcare bill and we're healthcare

providers as well as healthcare consumers

2.. this article states a different point of view, proving America is still a

democracy and freedom of speech can still be exercised w/o punishment

3.. this article is lcidly written and comprehensively stated as one person's

opinion, and we're all entitled to our own opinions

4.. we're all concerned about " the economy " = mainly our own pockets; how we're

keeping our income sources viable = whether it's our jobs or contracts or

retirement pensions or SSI payments; and (therefore Jan) does have a

point there. How can less be more?

If you take a pie, let's say a 10 inch pie, and eat it, it's all yours, you get

the whole pie.

If you take the same pie and divide it among your family member, let's say 4

people, you each get a fourth of a pie, still pretty substantial, right?

But....

If you take the same pie and divide it among 12 people, or better yet, let's be

really generous and divide it among 50 or 60 or....... how about looking really

really good and divide it among 100 people!!! what size piece of pie will we

get? how many will it really feed and nourish? who can survive on a 1000th piece

of pie?

Same thing with healthcare funds. In this case it's not a party. The more isn't

the merrier. It can't be. It's a matter of simple arithmetic. The more parts you

divide something into the smaller the parts until suddenly, they're all gone.

Nothing left. Nada nada nada...

Digna

Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

I found this interesting and personally related to the Health Care Bill.

More comments below.

Jan Patenaude

This teacher is truly a genius! (photo removed - don't know if accurate,

but sounds plausible).

As the late said, " you cannot multiply wealth by dividing

it. "

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had

never

failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class.

That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked, and that no one

would

be poor and no one would be rich --- a great equalizer. The professor then

said,

" OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan " . All grades

would

be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade, so no one would

fail

and no one would receive an A. After the first test, the grades were

averaged

and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset, and the

students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around,

the

students who studied little had studied even less, and the ones who

studied hard

decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little. The second

test average

was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average

was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all

resulted in hard

feelings, and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All

failed, to their

great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also

ultimately fail

because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when

government

takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

I work hard to stay healthy. For MANY years I never carried insurance

because I take care to protect my personal health. If I need health care, I pay

out of pocket. When I needed 4 stitches in my upper lip (face plant when

rock climbing - my husband did the 4 stitches in about 20 minutes. (The ER

would have charged me nearly $1000 for the same service, and no, my hubby

isn't a doctor - had field surgery training before he went to Vietnam - the

scar is barely noticeable.)

So, now, I'm supposed to pay for health care for all the people that don't

give a crap about their health and run to the doctor for every cough,

fever, lap band and for perfectly preventable things if they just took care of

their health or addressed their personal addiction issues.

Now, coverage for catestrophic stuff? Yes. Do people end up with health

problems over which they have NO control? Yes.

But, a new health care bill that includes components for nationalizing

Student Loans? What does that have to do with health care.

A bill written by lawyers that has NO tort reform so that docs still have

to pay HUGE insurance premiums just to practice? Why wasn't that addresses?

Of course, we ALL know why.

It's pathetic.

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

Consultant, Writer, Speaker

Director of Medical Nutrition

Signet Diagnostic Corporation

(Mountain Time)

Fax:

DineRight4aol (DOT) com

[Guest guest]

You make a great point, and had I thought of our pledge of allegiance I would

have remembered that. However, there's a fine line between what we are and what

we profess to be.... Some things are not easily understood, others are easily

forgotten. What I should have said is that we are still allowed the freedom of

speech, I think.

Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

I found this interesting and personally related to the Health Care Bill.

More comments below.

Jan Patenaude

This teacher is truly a genius! (photo removed - don't know if accurate,

but sounds plausible).

As the late said, " you cannot multiply wealth by dividing

it. "

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had

never

failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class.

That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked, and that no one

would

be poor and no one would be rich --- a great equalizer. The professor then

said,

" OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan " . All grades

would

be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade, so no one would

fail

and no one would receive an A. After the first test, the grades were

averaged

and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset, and the

students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around,

the

students who studied little had studied even less, and the ones who

studied hard

decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little. The second

test average

was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average

was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all

resulted in hard

feelings, and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All

failed, to their

great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also

ultimately fail

because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when

government

takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

I work hard to stay healthy. For MANY years I never carried insurance

because I take care to protect my personal health. If I need health care, I

pay

out of pocket. When I needed 4 stitches in my upper lip (face plant when

rock climbing - my husband did the 4 stitches in about 20 minutes. (The ER

would have charged me nearly $1000 for the same service, and no, my hubby

isn't a doctor - had field surgery training before he went to Vietnam - the

scar is barely noticeable.)

So, now, I'm supposed to pay for health care for all the people that don't

give a crap about their health and run to the doctor for every cough,

fever, lap band and for perfectly preventable things if they just took care of

their health or addressed their personal addiction issues.

Now, coverage for catestrophic stuff? Yes. Do people end up with health

problems over which they have NO control? Yes.

But, a new health care bill that includes components for nationalizing

Student Loans? What does that have to do with health care.

A bill written by lawyers that has NO tort reform so that docs still have

to pay HUGE insurance premiums just to practice? Why wasn't that addresses?

Of course, we ALL know why.

It's pathetic.

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

Consultant, Writer, Speaker

Director of Medical Nutrition

Signet Diagnostic Corporation

(Mountain Time)

Fax:

DineRight4aol (DOT) com

[Guest guest]

Digna,

Of course we are all entitled to our own opinions. I was stating mine.

I did not read the article as being relevant to the health care bill.  I read

that some do not want to help the less fortunate and are resentful for having

the government tell us what to do. We are doing that now. Our tax dollars are

used for many social programs. As for the mandatory health insurance that is

bugging so many....we have mandatory car insurance, Our tax dollars are used for

the uninsured pool of drivers and I don't hear these same people balking about

that. Medicare was condemned as a socialist plan - just try to take medicare

away from any of the people complaining about the 'Obama Socialism " . The bill

was passed and in our form of government we now have to live with it. Learn how

to 'tweak' it if it does not work, but don't throw the baby out with the bath

water.

I live with a social conscience.. I believe I have a moral and

ethical obligation to help those less fortunate than I am. I know that there

are people who take advantage of the system but I believe that there are many

fewer than you might think  and that the majority who need help would much

rather help themselves if possible.

I work for a company that does not charge the residents. You read that

correctly... no private insurance, no medicare, no medicaid, we don't take their

social security. We provide excellent care. We ask that they not be able to pay

for private care but we do not want them to leave their families destitute. We

do not do  a financial search of the applicants. We have had less than 2% of

our residents not fit our criteria in the 38 years I have worked for them. And

some of those were family of staff members or staff themselves. I believe that

people are usually honest. We have a number of homeless residents who would not

get the care we provide elsewhere.

We rely on donations, an endowment and private income.

Happy Holidays

Madalyn

 

________________________________

To: rd-usa

Sent: Fri, April 2, 2010 1:05:01 AM

Subject: Re: Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

Madalyn, About your opinon, that this is not the forum for this email - I wonder

why? can you explain so I can understand?

I find that it is very relevant to all our predicaments and future. I for one am

convinced it's the beginning of the end of what the American Constitution stands

for as I understand it from my history lessons. Let's just say some are to the

left, others to the right, and the terrible tug-of-war will put us all face down

in the mud. voices such as Jan's must be heard and paid attention to, not

squelched (as if Jan could ever be squelched!).

To further state my poin:

1.. this article is relevant to the healthcare bill and we're healthcare

providers as well as healthcare consumers

2.. this article states a different point of view, proving America is still a

democracy and freedom of speech can still be exercised w/o punishment

3.. this article is lcidly written and comprehensively stated as one person's

opinion, and we're all entitled to our own opinions

4.. we're all concerned about " the economy " = mainly our own pockets; how we're

keeping our income sources viable = whether it's our jobs or contracts or

retirement pensions or SSI payments; and (therefore Jan) does have a

point there. How can less be more?

If you take a pie, let's say a 10 inch pie, and eat it, it's all yours, you get

the whole pie.

If you take the same pie and divide it among your family member, let's say 4

people, you each get a fourth of a pie, still pretty substantial, right?

But....

If you take the same pie and divide it among 12 people, or better yet, let's be

really generous and divide it among 50 or 60 or....... how about looking really

really good and divide it among 100 people!!! what size piece of pie will we

get? how many will it really feed and nourish? who can survive on a 1000th piece

of pie?

Same thing with healthcare funds. In this case it's not a party. The more isn't

the merrier. It can't be. It's a matter of simple arithmetic. The more parts you

divide something into the smaller the parts until suddenly, they're all gone.

Nothing left. Nada nada nada...

Digna

Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

I found this interesting and personally related to the Health Care Bill.

More comments below.

Jan Patenaude

This teacher is truly a genius! (photo removed - don't know if accurate,

but sounds plausible).

As the late said, " you cannot multiply wealth by dividing

it. "

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had

never

failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class.

That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked, and that no one

would

be poor and no one would be rich --- a great equalizer. The professor then

said,

" OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan " . All grades

would

be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade, so no one would

fail

and no one would receive an A. After the first test, the grades were

averaged

and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset, and the

students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around,

the

students who studied little had studied even less, and the ones who

studied hard

decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little. The second

test average

was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average

was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all

resulted in hard

feelings, and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All

failed, to their

great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also

ultimately fail

because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when

government

takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

I work hard to stay healthy. For MANY years I never carried insurance

because I take care to protect my personal health. If I need health care, I pay

out of pocket. When I needed 4 stitches in my upper lip (face plant when

rock climbing - my husband did the 4 stitches in about 20 minutes. (The ER

would have charged me nearly $1000 for the same service, and no, my hubby

isn't a doctor - had field surgery training before he went to Vietnam - the

scar is barely noticeable.)

So, now, I'm supposed to pay for health care for all the people that don't

give a crap about their health and run to the doctor for every cough,

fever, lap band and for perfectly preventable things if they just took care of

their health or addressed their personal addiction issues.

Now, coverage for catestrophic stuff? Yes. Do people end up with health

problems over which they have NO control? Yes.

But, a new health care bill that includes components for nationalizing

Student Loans? What does that have to do with health care.

A bill written by lawyers that has NO tort reform so that docs still have

to pay HUGE insurance premiums just to practice? Why wasn't that addresses?

Of course, we ALL know why.

It's pathetic.

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

Consultant, Writer, Speaker

Director of Medical Nutrition

Signet Diagnostic Corporation

(Mountain Time)

Fax:

DineRight4aol (DOT) com

[Guest guest]

Jan,

Great post and regardless of this is the right forum, I love it. I think

it's important to discuss these issues and how it not only affects America

but also the Nutrition profession.

I agree our President is not only an idiot, but is going to run this country

into the ground.

Time to stop letting Lawyers run the country and vote for people who truly

care.

Thanks for the post.

Tavis

>

>

> I found this interesting and personally related to the Health Care Bill.

> More comments below.

> Jan Patenaude

>

>

> This teacher is truly a genius! (photo removed - don't know if accurate,

> but sounds plausible).

>

> As the late said, " you cannot multiply wealth by dividing

> it. "

>

> An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had

> never

> failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class.

> That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked, and that no one

> would

> be poor and no one would be rich --- a great equalizer. The professor then

> said,

> " OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan " . All grades

> would

> be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade, so no one would

> fail

> and no one would receive an A. After the first test, the grades were

> averaged

> and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset, and the

> students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around,

> the

> students who studied little had studied even less, and the ones who

> studied hard

> decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little. The second

> test average

> was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average

> was an F.

> The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all

> resulted in hard

> feelings, and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All

> failed, to their

> great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also

> ultimately fail

> because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when

> government

> takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

>

>

>

> I work hard to stay healthy. For MANY years I never carried insurance

> because I take care to protect my personal health. If I need health care, I

> pay

> out of pocket. When I needed 4 stitches in my upper lip (face plant when

> rock climbing - my husband did the 4 stitches in about 20 minutes. (The ER

> would have charged me nearly $1000 for the same service, and no, my hubby

> isn't a doctor - had field surgery training before he went to Vietnam - the

>

> scar is barely noticeable.)

>

> So, now, I'm supposed to pay for health care for all the people that don't

> give a crap about their health and run to the doctor for every cough,

> fever, lap band and for perfectly preventable things if they just took care

> of

> their health or addressed their personal addiction issues.

>

> Now, coverage for catestrophic stuff? Yes. Do people end up with health

> problems over which they have NO control? Yes.

>

> But, a new health care bill that includes components for nationalizing

> Student Loans? What does that have to do with health care.

>

> A bill written by lawyers that has NO tort reform so that docs still have

> to pay HUGE insurance premiums just to practice? Why wasn't that addresses?

>

> Of course, we ALL know why.

>

> It's pathetic.

>

> Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> Consultant, Writer, Speaker

> Director of Medical Nutrition

> Signet Diagnostic Corporation

> (Mountain Time)

> Fax:

> DineRight4@... <DineRight4%40aol.com>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Diane,

Many in Congress (including the President) do not understand it because they

haven't read it. This plan is not in any way going to make America

healthier. If anyone thinks so, please explain how. It will put more $$ in

the pockets of drug companies.

Here's my .02 on the issue.

How often or how many physicians have the time to talk about Nutrition and

Exercise during their consultation? I'd say less than 1%. For those who do,

they're not effective in changing habits because they're educated on the

topic nor have enough time to discuss what really needs to be done. In

addition, there's a huge liability on the MD if they don't prescribe

medicine. If you have an overweight/obese patient who has dyslipidemia and

HTN, it's much safer to give them Lipitor and Attenolol as opposed to

recommending they see an RD and join a gym. If they don't and the patient

drops dead of a Heart Attack or Stroke, malpractice suits are issued.

One of our major initiatives for our Fitness Center is to increase medical

referrals. We have 4 fitness centers and we are owned by one of the largest

Health Care institutions in the South. We have over 700 physicians and I've

spoken to hundreds of them on various topics. They all indicate they are

pushed to see as many patients as possible and rarely have time to discuss

fitness or refer for nutrition. It's only those Physician Champions who care

that refer.

This new Healthcare plan is not going to fix the Obesity issue. As much as

I'm opposed to the Government telling us what we should put in our body, I'm

all for taxing junk food, fast food, and sodas. If you want to live an

unhealthier life, you should pay more to do so. If you want to smoke, drink,

eat junk food on a daily basis, you have the right to do so but you should

pay more for Health Insurance.

Let's take the Welfare system as an example. Here are people who have

everything provided by the Govt for them if needed (housing, food stamps,

medicade). Why should they go to work if everything is given to them

(similar to the school analogy). Why can't we stop using the govt. money on

the food stamp program to purhcase junk food. Just doing this will make a

significant change in overall health.

Just something to think about.

Thanks

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 1:06 AM, Diane Preves M.S., R.D. <

newlife4health@...> wrote:

>

>

> Jan,

>

> I appreciate your message (and the math professor's example). As for

> Madalyn's comment about this forum--we are all affected, and we all have a

> voice. As healthcare professionals we also have to navigate the reforms on

> another level too. We are all big girls (and boys) here, and I trust

> professionally we are able to cut through opinion to the meat of the matter.

> Of course we all have opinions about it too and I am not offended when I

> hear either side's opinion expressed. I find that the more input I receive

> the better--I am able to formulate my own understanding but with reform this

> massive the more input the better. I heard today that many in Congress still

> do not understand it all.

>

> Respectfully,

> Diane Preves, M.S., R.D.

> N.E.W. LIFE (Nutrition, Exercise, Wellness for LIFE)

> www.newlifeforhealth.com

> e-mail: newlife4health@... <newlife4health%40aol.com>,

> newlife@... <newlife%40newlifeforhealth.com>

>

>

>

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/newlifedianepreves

> http://www.facebook.com/people/Diane-Preves/1357243185

> http://twitter.com/DianePreves

>

>

> Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

>

> I found this interesting and personally related to the Health Care Bill.

> More comments below.

> Jan Patenaude

>

> This teacher is truly a genius! (photo removed - don't know if accurate,

> but sounds plausible).

>

> As the late said, " you cannot multiply wealth by dividing

> it. "

>

> An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had

> never

> failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class.

> That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked, and that no one

> would

> be poor and no one would be rich --- a great equalizer. The professor then

> said,

> " OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan " . All grades

> would

> be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade, so no one would

> fail

> and no one would receive an A. After the first test, the grades were

> averaged

> and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset, and the

> students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around,

> the

> students who studied little had studied even less, and the ones who

> studied hard

> decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little. The second

> test average

> was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average

> was an F.

> The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all

> resulted in hard

> feelings, and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All

> failed, to their

> great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also

> ultimately fail

> because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when

> government

> takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

>

> I work hard to stay healthy. For MANY years I never carried insurance

> because I take care to protect my personal health. If I need health care, I

> pay

> out of pocket. When I needed 4 stitches in my upper lip (face plant when

> rock climbing - my husband did the 4 stitches in about 20 minutes. (The ER

> would have charged me nearly $1000 for the same service, and no, my hubby

> isn't a doctor - had field surgery training before he went to Vietnam - the

>

> scar is barely noticeable.)

>

> So, now, I'm supposed to pay for health care for all the people that don't

> give a crap about their health and run to the doctor for every cough,

> fever, lap band and for perfectly preventable things if they just took care

> of

> their health or addressed their personal addiction issues.

>

> Now, coverage for catestrophic stuff? Yes. Do people end up with health

> problems over which they have NO control? Yes.

>

> But, a new health care bill that includes components for nationalizing

> Student Loans? What does that have to do with health care.

>

> A bill written by lawyers that has NO tort reform so that docs still have

> to pay HUGE insurance premiums just to practice? Why wasn't that addresses?

>

> Of course, we ALL know why.

>

> It's pathetic.

>

> Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> Consultant, Writer, Speaker

> Director of Medical Nutrition

> Signet Diagnostic Corporation

> (Mountain Time)

> Fax:

> DineRight4aol (DOT) com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Madlyn,

I think it's great that your team can provide care to those who really need

it and can't afford it. On the otherhand, I don't think putting our country

in a financial crisis to pay for this as well as taxing us even more, is the

most effective way to pay for this plan.

If we can find other dollars to pay for this, I'd be more open.

Another problem will be less reimbursement for hospitals and loss of jobs in

the heathcare industry. Many non-profit hospitals already run at a loss and

have begun to dig into their cash savings to continue operations and fund

capital campaigns.

Thanks

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Madalyn Friedberg wrote:

>

>

> Digna,

>

> Of course we are all entitled to our own opinions. I was stating mine.

>

> I did not read the article as being relevant to the health care bill. I

> read that some do not want to help the less fortunate and are resentful

> for having the government tell us what to do. We are doing that now. Our tax

> dollars are used for many social programs. As for the mandatory health

> insurance that is bugging so many....we have mandatory car insurance, Our

> tax dollars are used for the uninsured pool of drivers and I don't hear

> these same people balking about that. Medicare was condemned as a

> socialist plan - just try to take medicare away from any of the people

> complaining about the 'Obama Socialism " . The bill was passed and in our form

> of government we now have to live with it. Learn how to 'tweak' it if it

> does not work, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

>

> I live with a social conscience.. I believe I have a moral and

> ethical obligation to help those less fortunate than I am. I know that there

> are people who take advantage of the system but I believe that there are

> many fewer than you might think and that the majority who need help would

> much rather help themselves if possible.

>

> I work for a company that does not charge the residents. You read that

> correctly... no private insurance, no medicare, no medicaid, we don't take

> their social security. We provide excellent care. We ask that they not be

> able to pay for private care but we do not want them to leave their families

> destitute. We do not do a financial search of the applicants. We have had

> less than 2% of our residents not fit our criteria in the 38 years I have

> worked for them. And some of those were family of staff members or staff

> themselves. I believe that people are usually honest. We have a number of

> homeless residents who would not get the care we provide elsewhere.

> We rely on donations, an endowment and private income.

>

> Happy Holidays

>

> Madalyn

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: Digna Cassens

<dignacassens@...<dignacassens%40roadrunner.com>>

>

>

> To: rd-usa <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Fri, April 2, 2010 1:05:01 AM

>

> Subject: Re: Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

>

> Madalyn, About your opinon, that this is not the forum for this email - I

> wonder why? can you explain so I can understand?

>

> I find that it is very relevant to all our predicaments and future. I for

> one am convinced it's the beginning of the end of what the American

> Constitution stands for as I understand it from my history lessons. Let's

> just say some are to the left, others to the right, and the terrible

> tug-of-war will put us all face down in the mud. voices such as Jan's must

> be heard and paid attention to, not squelched (as if Jan could ever be

> squelched!).

>

> To further state my poin:

> 1.. this article is relevant to the healthcare bill and we're healthcare

> providers as well as healthcare consumers

> 2.. this article states a different point of view, proving America is still

> a democracy and freedom of speech can still be exercised w/o punishment

> 3.. this article is lcidly written and comprehensively stated as one

> person's opinion, and we're all entitled to our own opinions

> 4.. we're all concerned about " the economy " = mainly our own pockets; how

> we're keeping our income sources viable = whether it's our jobs or contracts

> or retirement pensions or SSI payments; and (therefore Jan) does have

> a point there. How can less be more?

> If you take a pie, let's say a 10 inch pie, and eat it, it's all yours, you

> get the whole pie.

> If you take the same pie and divide it among your family member, let's say

> 4 people, you each get a fourth of a pie, still pretty substantial, right?

> But....

> If you take the same pie and divide it among 12 people, or better yet,

> let's be really generous and divide it among 50 or 60 or....... how about

> looking really really good and divide it among 100 people!!! what size piece

> of pie will we get? how many will it really feed and nourish? who can

> survive on a 1000th piece of pie?

>

> Same thing with healthcare funds. In this case it's not a party. The more

> isn't the merrier. It can't be. It's a matter of simple arithmetic. The more

> parts you divide something into the smaller the parts until suddenly,

> they're all gone. Nothing left. Nada nada nada...

>

> Digna

>

> Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

>

> I found this interesting and personally related to the Health Care Bill.

> More comments below.

> Jan Patenaude

>

> This teacher is truly a genius! (photo removed - don't know if accurate,

> but sounds plausible).

>

> As the late said, " you cannot multiply wealth by dividing

> it. "

>

> An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had

> never

> failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class.

> That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked, and that no one

> would

> be poor and no one would be rich --- a great equalizer. The professor then

> said,

> " OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan " . All grades

> would

> be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade, so no one would

> fail

> and no one would receive an A. After the first test, the grades were

> averaged

> and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset, and the

> students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around,

> the

> students who studied little had studied even less, and the ones who

> studied hard

> decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little. The second

> test average

> was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average

> was an F.

> The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all

> resulted in hard

> feelings, and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All

> failed, to their

> great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also

> ultimately fail

> because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when

> government

> takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

>

> I work hard to stay healthy. For MANY years I never carried insurance

> because I take care to protect my personal health. If I need health care, I

> pay

> out of pocket. When I needed 4 stitches in my upper lip (face plant when

> rock climbing - my husband did the 4 stitches in about 20 minutes. (The ER

> would have charged me nearly $1000 for the same service, and no, my hubby

> isn't a doctor - had field surgery training before he went to Vietnam - the

>

> scar is barely noticeable.)

>

> So, now, I'm supposed to pay for health care for all the people that don't

> give a crap about their health and run to the doctor for every cough,

> fever, lap band and for perfectly preventable things if they just took care

> of

> their health or addressed their personal addiction issues.

>

> Now, coverage for catestrophic stuff? Yes. Do people end up with health

> problems over which they have NO control? Yes.

>

> But, a new health care bill that includes components for nationalizing

> Student Loans? What does that have to do with health care.

>

> A bill written by lawyers that has NO tort reform so that docs still have

> to pay HUGE insurance premiums just to practice? Why wasn't that addresses?

>

> Of course, we ALL know why.

>

> It's pathetic.

>

> Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> Consultant, Writer, Speaker

> Director of Medical Nutrition

> Signet Diagnostic Corporation

> (Mountain Time)

> Fax:

> DineRight4aol (DOT) com

>

>

[Guest guest]

I came across this from an older gent I admire who has seen it all during

his day.

1. Americans spend $36,000,000 at Wal-Mart Every hour of every day.

2.. This works out to $20,928 profit every minute!

3. Wal-Mart will sell more from January 1 to St. 's Day (March

17th) than Target sells all year.

4. Wal-Mart is bigger than Home Depot + Kroger + Target + Sears + Costco +

K-Mart combined.

5. Wal-Mart employs 1.6 million people and is the largest private Employer,

and most speak English.

6. Wal-Mart is the largest company in the history of the World.

7. Wal-Mart now sells more food than Kroger & Safeway combined, and keep in

mind they did this in only 15 years.

8. During this same period, 31 supermarket chains sought bankruptcy.

9. Wal-Mart now sells more food than any other store in the world.

10. Wal-Mart has approx 3,900 stores in the USA of which 1,906 are Super

Centers; this is 1,000 more than it had 5 Years ago.

11. This year 7.2 billion different purchasing experiences will occur At a

Wal-Mart store. (Earth's population is approximately 6.5 Billion.).

12. 90% of all Americans live within 15 miles of a Wal-Mart.

You may think that I am complaining, but I am really laying the ground work

for suggesting that MAYBE we should hire the guys who run Wal-Mart to Fix

the economy. T

This should be read and understood by all Americans Democrats, Republicans,

EVERYONE!!

To: President Obama and all 535 voting members of the Legislature, It is

now official you are ALL corrupt morons:

* The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775. You have had 235 years

to get it right and it is broke.

* Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 75 years to get

it right and it is broke.

* Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 72 years to get it

right and it is broke.

* War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 46 years to get it right;

$1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to " the

poor " and they only want more.

* Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 45 years

to get it right and they are broke.

* Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 40 years to get it

right and it is broke.

* The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence

on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of $24

billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 33 years to

get it right and it is an abysmal failure.

You have FAILED in every " government service " you have shoved down our

throats while overspending our tax dollars AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO

BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??

Mr. Bill

> Madlyn,

>

> I think it's great that your team can provide care to those who really need

> it and can't afford it. On the otherhand, I don't think putting our country

> in a financial crisis to pay for this as well as taxing us even more, is the

> most effective way to pay for this plan.

>

> If we can find other dollars to pay for this, I'd be more open.

>

> Another problem will be less reimbursement for hospitals and loss of jobs

> in the heathcare industry. Many non-profit hospitals already run at a loss

> and have begun to dig into their cash savings to continue operations and

> fund capital campaigns.

>

> Thanks

>

> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Madalyn Friedberg <mffrd10019@...

> > wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> Digna,

>>

>> Of course we are all entitled to our own opinions. I was stating mine.

>>

>> I did not read the article as being relevant to the health care bill. I

>> read that some do not want to help the less fortunate and are resentful

>> for having the government tell us what to do. We are doing that now. Our tax

>> dollars are used for many social programs. As for the mandatory health

>> insurance that is bugging so many....we have mandatory car insurance, Our

>> tax dollars are used for the uninsured pool of drivers and I don't hear

>> these same people balking about that. Medicare was condemned as a

>> socialist plan - just try to take medicare away from any of the people

>> complaining about the 'Obama Socialism " . The bill was passed and in our form

>> of government we now have to live with it. Learn how to 'tweak' it if it

>> does not work, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

>>

>> I live with a social conscience.. I believe I have a moral and

>> ethical obligation to help those less fortunate than I am. I know that there

>> are people who take advantage of the system but I believe that there are

>> many fewer than you might think and that the majority who need help would

>> much rather help themselves if possible.

>>

>> I work for a company that does not charge the residents. You read that

>> correctly... no private insurance, no medicare, no medicaid, we don't take

>> their social security. We provide excellent care. We ask that they not be

>> able to pay for private care but we do not want them to leave their families

>> destitute. We do not do a financial search of the applicants. We have had

>> less than 2% of our residents not fit our criteria in the 38 years I have

>> worked for them. And some of those were family of staff members or staff

>> themselves. I believe that people are usually honest. We have a number of

>> homeless residents who would not get the care we provide elsewhere.

>> We rely on donations, an endowment and private income.

>>

>> Happy Holidays

>>

>> Madalyn

>>

>>

>> ________________________________

>>

>> From: Digna Cassens

<dignacassens@...<dignacassens%40roadrunner.com>>

>>

>>

>> To: rd-usa <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

>> Sent: Fri, April 2, 2010 1:05:01 AM

>>

>> Subject: Re: Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

>>

>> Madalyn, About your opinon, that this is not the forum for this email - I

>> wonder why? can you explain so I can understand?

>>

>> I find that it is very relevant to all our predicaments and future. I for

>> one am convinced it's the beginning of the end of what the American

>> Constitution stands for as I understand it from my history lessons. Let's

>> just say some are to the left, others to the right, and the terrible

>> tug-of-war will put us all face down in the mud. voices such as Jan's must

>> be heard and paid attention to, not squelched (as if Jan could ever be

>> squelched!).

>>

>> To further state my poin:

>> 1.. this article is relevant to the healthcare bill and we're healthcare

>> providers as well as healthcare consumers

>> 2.. this article states a different point of view, proving America is

>> still a democracy and freedom of speech can still be exercised w/o

>> punishment

>> 3.. this article is lcidly written and comprehensively stated as one

>> person's opinion, and we're all entitled to our own opinions

>> 4.. we're all concerned about " the economy " = mainly our own pockets; how

>> we're keeping our income sources viable = whether it's our jobs or contracts

>> or retirement pensions or SSI payments; and (therefore Jan) does have

>> a point there. How can less be more?

>> If you take a pie, let's say a 10 inch pie, and eat it, it's all yours,

>> you get the whole pie.

>> If you take the same pie and divide it among your family member, let's say

>> 4 people, you each get a fourth of a pie, still pretty substantial, right?

>> But....

>> If you take the same pie and divide it among 12 people, or better yet,

>> let's be really generous and divide it among 50 or 60 or....... how about

>> looking really really good and divide it among 100 people!!! what size piece

>> of pie will we get? how many will it really feed and nourish? who can

>> survive on a 1000th piece of pie?

>>

>> Same thing with healthcare funds. In this case it's not a party. The more

>> isn't the merrier. It can't be. It's a matter of simple arithmetic. The more

>> parts you divide something into the smaller the parts until suddenly,

>> they're all gone. Nothing left. Nada nada nada...

>>

>> Digna

>>

>> Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

>>

>> I found this interesting and personally related to the Health Care Bill.

>> More comments below.

>> Jan Patenaude

>>

>> This teacher is truly a genius! (photo removed - don't know if accurate,

>> but sounds plausible).

>>

>> As the late said, " you cannot multiply wealth by dividing

>> it. "

>>

>> An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had

>> never

>> failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class.

>> That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked, and that no one

>> would

>> be poor and no one would be rich --- a great equalizer. The professor then

>>

>> said,

>> " OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan " . All grades

>>

>> would

>> be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade, so no one would

>> fail

>> and no one would receive an A. After the first test, the grades were

>> averaged

>> and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset, and the

>> students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around,

>> the

>> students who studied little had studied even less, and the ones who

>> studied hard

>> decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little. The second

>> test average

>> was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average

>> was an F.

>> The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all

>> resulted in hard

>> feelings, and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All

>> failed, to their

>> great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also

>> ultimately fail

>> because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when

>>

>> government

>> takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

>>

>> I work hard to stay healthy. For MANY years I never carried insurance

>> because I take care to protect my personal health. If I need health care,

>> I pay

>> out of pocket. When I needed 4 stitches in my upper lip (face plant when

>> rock climbing - my husband did the 4 stitches in about 20 minutes. (The ER

>>

>> would have charged me nearly $1000 for the same service, and no, my hubby

>> isn't a doctor - had field surgery training before he went to Vietnam -

>> the

>> scar is barely noticeable.)

>>

>> So, now, I'm supposed to pay for health care for all the people that don't

>>

>> give a crap about their health and run to the doctor for every cough,

>> fever, lap band and for perfectly preventable things if they just took

>> care of

>> their health or addressed their personal addiction issues.

>>

>> Now, coverage for catestrophic stuff? Yes. Do people end up with health

>> problems over which they have NO control? Yes.

>>

>> But, a new health care bill that includes components for nationalizing

>> Student Loans? What does that have to do with health care.

>>

>> A bill written by lawyers that has NO tort reform so that docs still have

>> to pay HUGE insurance premiums just to practice? Why wasn't that

>> addresses?

>> Of course, we ALL know why.

>>

>> It's pathetic.

>>

>> Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

>> Consultant, Writer, Speaker

>> Director of Medical Nutrition

>> Signet Diagnostic Corporation

>> (Mountain Time)

>> Fax:

>> DineRight4aol (DOT) com

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

So does that mean you will opt out of medicare and social sec when the

time comes?

> I came across this from an older gent I admire who has seen it all during

> his day.

>

> 1.   Americans spend $36,000,000 at Wal-Mart Every hour of every day.

> 2.. This works out to $20,928 profit every minute!

> 3. Wal-Mart will sell more from January 1 to St. 's Day (March

> 17th) than Target sells all year.

> 4. Wal-Mart is bigger than Home Depot + Kroger + Target + Sears + Costco +

> K-Mart combined.

> 5. Wal-Mart employs 1.6 million people and is the largest private Employer,

> and most speak English.

> 6. Wal-Mart is the largest company in the history of the World.

> 7. Wal-Mart now sells more food than Kroger & Safeway combined, and keep in

> mind they did this in only 15 years.

> 8. During this same period, 31 supermarket chains sought bankruptcy.

> 9. Wal-Mart now sells more food than any other store in the world.

> 10. Wal-Mart has approx 3,900 stores in the USA of which 1,906 are Super

> Centers; this is 1,000 more than it had 5 Years ago.

> 11. This year 7.2 billion different purchasing experiences will occur At a

> Wal-Mart store. (Earth's population is approximately 6.5 Billion.).

> 12. 90% of all Americans live within 15 miles of a Wal-Mart.

> You may think that I am complaining, but I am really laying the ground work

> for suggesting that MAYBE we should hire the guys who run Wal-Mart to Fix

> the economy. T

>

> This should be read and understood by all Americans Democrats, Republicans,

> EVERYONE!!

>

> To:  President Obama and all 535 voting members of the Legislature,  It is

> now official you are ALL corrupt morons:

> *    The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775. You have had 235 years

> to get it right and it is broke.

> *    Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 75 years to get

> it right and it is broke.

> *    Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 72 years to get it

> right and it is broke.

> *    War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 46 years to get it right;

> $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to " the

> poor " and they only want more.

> *    Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 45 years

> to get it right and they are broke.

> *    Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 40 years to get it

> right and it is broke.

> *    The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence

> on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of $24

> billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 33 years to

> get it right and it is an abysmal failure.

>

> You have FAILED in every " government service " you have shoved down our

> throats while overspending our tax dollars  AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO

> BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??

> Mr. Bill

>

>

>> Madlyn,

>>

>> I think it's great that your team can provide care to those who really need

>> it and can't afford it. On the otherhand, I don't think putting our country

>> in a financial crisis to pay for this as well as taxing us even more, is the

>> most effective way to pay for this plan.

>>

>> If we can find other dollars to pay for this, I'd be more open.

>>

>> Another problem will be less reimbursement for hospitals and loss of jobs

>> in the heathcare industry. Many non-profit hospitals already run at a loss

>> and have begun to dig into their cash savings to continue operations and

>> fund capital campaigns.

>>

>> Thanks

>>

>>   On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Madalyn Friedberg <mffrd10019@...

>> > wrote:

>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Digna,

>>>

>>> Of course we are all entitled to our own opinions. I was stating mine.

>>>

>>> I did not read the article as being relevant to the health care bill.  I

>>> read that some do not want to help the less fortunate and are resentful

>>> for having the government tell us what to do. We are doing that now. Our tax

>>> dollars are used for many social programs. As for the mandatory health

>>> insurance that is bugging so many....we have mandatory car insurance, Our

>>> tax dollars are used for the uninsured pool of drivers and I don't hear

>>> these same people balking about that. Medicare was condemned as a

>>> socialist plan - just try to take medicare away from any of the people

>>> complaining about the 'Obama Socialism " . The bill was passed and in our form

>>> of government we now have to live with it. Learn how to 'tweak' it if it

>>> does not work, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

>>>

>>> I live with a social conscience.. I believe I have a moral and

>>> ethical obligation to help those less fortunate than I am. I know that there

>>> are people who take advantage of the system but I believe that there are

>>> many fewer than you might think  and that the majority who need help would

>>> much rather help themselves if possible.

>>>

>>> I work for a company that does not charge the residents. You read that

>>> correctly... no private insurance, no medicare, no medicaid, we don't take

>>> their social security. We provide excellent care. We ask that they not be

>>> able to pay for private care but we do not want them to leave their families

>>> destitute. We do not do  a financial search of the applicants. We have had

>>> less than 2% of our residents not fit our criteria in the 38 years I have

>>> worked for them. And some of those were family of staff members or staff

>>> themselves. I believe that people are usually honest. We have a number of

>>> homeless residents who would not get the care we provide elsewhere.

>>> We rely on donations, an endowment and private income.

>>>

>>> Happy Holidays

>>>

>>> Madalyn

>>>

>>>

>>> ________________________________

>>>

>>> From: Digna Cassens

<dignacassens@...<dignacassens%40roadrunner.com>>

>>>

>>>

>>> To: rd-usa <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

>>> Sent: Fri, April 2, 2010 1:05:01 AM

>>>

>>> Subject: Re: Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

>>>

>>> Madalyn, About your opinon, that this is not the forum for this email - I

>>> wonder why? can you explain so I can understand?

>>>

>>> I find that it is very relevant to all our predicaments and future. I for

>>> one am convinced it's the beginning of the end of what the American

>>> Constitution stands for as I understand it from my history lessons. Let's

>>> just say some are to the left, others to the right, and the terrible

>>> tug-of-war will put us all face down in the mud. voices such as Jan's must

>>> be heard and paid attention to, not squelched (as if Jan could ev

[Guest guest]

I agree.I have never in my life emailed/ contacted my congressmen so much as

with this bill and letting them know of my desires regarding lawsuits.  the

response was a typical form letter that they will do what they preceive as

needed.  We need to clean house in the congress.  People need to remember their

responses in elections.

>

>

> I found this interesting and personally related to the Health Care Bill.

> More comments below.

> Jan Patenaude

>

>

> This teacher is truly a genius! (photo removed - don't know if accurate,

> but sounds plausible).

>

> As the late said, " you cannot multiply wealth by dividing

> it. "

>

> An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had

> never

> failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class.

> That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked, and that no one

> would

> be poor and no one would be rich --- a great equalizer. The professor then

> said,

> " OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan " . All grades

> would

> be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade, so no one would

> fail

> and no one would receive an A. After the first test, the grades were

> averaged

> and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset, and the

> students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around,

> the

> students who studied little had studied even less, and the ones who

> studied hard

> decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little. The second

> test average

> was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average

> was an F.

> The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all

> resulted in hard

> feelings, and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All

> failed, to their

> great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also

> ultimately fail

> because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when

> government

> takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

>

>

>

> I work hard to stay healthy. For MANY years I never carried insurance

> because I take care to protect my personal health. If I need health care, I

> pay

> out of pocket. When I needed 4 stitches in my upper lip (face plant when

> rock climbing - my husband did the 4 stitches in about 20 minutes. (The ER

> would have charged me nearly $1000 for the same service, and no, my hubby

> isn't a doctor - had field surgery training before he went to Vietnam - the

>

> scar is barely noticeable.)

>

> So, now, I'm supposed to pay for health care for all the people that don't

> give a crap about their health and run to the doctor for every cough,

> fever, lap band and for perfectly preventable things if they just took care

> of

> their health or addressed their personal addiction issues.

>

> Now, coverage for catestrophic stuff? Yes. Do people end up with health

> problems over which they have NO control? Yes.

>

> But, a new health care bill that includes components for nationalizing

> Student Loans? What does that have to do with health care.

>

> A bill written by lawyers that has NO tort reform so that docs still have

> to pay HUGE insurance premiums just to practice? Why wasn't that addresses?

>

> Of course, we ALL know why.

>

> It's pathetic.

>

> Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> Consultant, Writer, Speaker

> Director of Medical Nutrition

> Signet Diagnostic Corporation

> (Mountain Time)

> Fax:

> DineRight4@... <DineRight4%40aol.com>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jen,

That is the point I have been trying to make.

I can't understand how the people who are against the governments involvement in

the present health care bill can morally accept 'government handouts'. Either

you are for or against, you cannot be for what is good for you and against what

is good for others. But I guess people think they can and are very vocal about

the way they feel. This is my very humble opinion

Madalyn

 

________________________________

To: rd-usa

Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 6:21:21 PM

Subject: Re: Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

 

So does that mean you will opt out of medicare and social sec when the

time comes?

On Saturday, April 3, 2010, Tavis Piattoly <tpiattolygmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> I came across this from an older gent I admire who has seen it all during

> his day.

>

> 1.   Americans spend $36,000,000 at Wal-Mart Every hour of every day.

> 2.. This works out to $20,928 profit every minute!

> 3. Wal-Mart will sell more from January 1 to St. 's Day (March

> 17th) than Target sells all year.

> 4. Wal-Mart is bigger than Home Depot + Kroger + Target + Sears + Costco +

> K-Mart combined.

> 5. Wal-Mart employs 1.6 million people and is the largest private Employer,

> and most speak English.

> 6. Wal-Mart is the largest company in the history of the World.

> 7. Wal-Mart now sells more food than Kroger & Safeway combined, and keep in

> mind they did this in only 15 years.

> 8. During this same period, 31 supermarket chains sought bankruptcy.

> 9. Wal-Mart now sells more food than any other store in the world.

> 10. Wal-Mart has approx 3,900 stores in the USA of which 1,906 are Super

> Centers; this is 1,000 more than it had 5 Years ago.

> 11. This year 7.2 billion different purchasing experiences will occur At a

> Wal-Mart store. (Earth's population is approximately 6.5 Billion.).

> 12. 90% of all Americans live within 15 miles of a Wal-Mart.

> You may think that I am complaining, but I am really laying the ground work

> for suggesting that MAYBE we should hire the guys who run Wal-Mart to Fix

> the economy. T

>

> This should be read and understood by all Americans Democrats, Republicans,

> EVERYONE!!

>

> To:  President Obama and all 535 voting members of the Legislature,  It is

> now official you are ALL corrupt morons:

> *    The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775. You have had 235 years

> to get it right and it is broke.

> *    Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 75 years to get

> it right and it is broke.

> *    Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 72 years to get it

> right and it is broke.

> *    War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 46 years to get it right;

> $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to " the

> poor " and they only want more.

> *    Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 45 years

> to get it right and they are broke.

> *    Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 40 years to get it

> right and it is broke.

> *    The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence

> on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of $24

> billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 33 years to

> get it right and it is an abysmal failure.

>

> You have FAILED in every " government service " you have shoved down our

> throats while overspending our tax dollars  AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO

> BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??

> Mr. Bill

> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Tavis Piattoly <tpiattolygmail (DOT) com> wrote:

>

>> Madlyn,

>>

>> I think it's great that your team can provide care to those who really need

>> it and can't afford it. On the otherhand, I don't think putting our country

>> in a financial crisis to pay for this as well as taxing us even more, is the

>> most effective way to pay for this plan.

>>

>> If we can find other dollars to pay for this, I'd be more open.

>>

>> Another problem will be less reimbursement for hospitals and loss of jobs

>> in the heathcare industry. Many non-profit hospitals already run at a loss

>> and have begun to dig into their cash savings to continue operations and

>> fund capital campaigns.

>>

>> Thanks

>>

>>   On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Madalyn Friedberg <mffrd10019yahoo (DOT) com

>> > wrote:

>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Digna,

>>>

>>> Of course we are all entitled to our own opinions. I was stating mine.

>>>

>>> I did not read the article as being relevant to the health care bill.  I

>>> read that some do not want to help the less fortunate and are resentful

>>> for having the government tell us what to do. We are doing that now. Our tax

>>> dollars are used for many social programs. As for the mandatory health

>>> insurance that is bugging so many....we have mandatory car insurance, Our

>>> tax dollars are used for the uninsured pool of drivers and I don't hear

>>> these same people balking about that. Medicare was condemned as a

>>> socialist plan - just try to take medicare away from any of the people

>>> complaining about the 'Obama Socialism " . The bill was passed and in our form

>>> of government we now have to live with it. Learn how to 'tweak' it if it

>>> does not work, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

>>>

>>> I live with a social conscience.. I believe I have a moral and

>>> ethical obligation to help those less fortunate than I am. I know that there

>>> are people who take advantage of the system but I believe that there are

>>> many fewer than you might think  and that the majority who need help would

>>> much rather help themselves if possible.

>>>

>>> I work for a company that does not charge the residents. You read that

>>> correctly... no private insurance, no medicare, no medicaid, we don't take

>>> their social security. We provide excellent care. We ask that they not be

>>> able to pay for private care but we do not want them to leave their families

>>> destitute. We do not do  a financial search of the applicants. We have had

>>> less than 2% of our residents not fit our criteria in the 38 years I have

>>> worked for them. And some of those were family of staff members or staff

>>> themselves. I believe that people are usually honest. We have a number of

>>> homeless residents who would not get the care we provide elsewhere.

>>> We rely on donations, an endowment and private income.

>>>

>>> Happy Holidays

>>>

>>> Madalyn

>>>

>>>

>>> ____________ _________ _________ __

>>>

>>> From: Digna Cassens <dignacassens@ roadrunner. com<dignacassens%

40roadrunner. com>>

>>>

>>>

>>> To: rd-usayahoogroups (DOT) com <rd-usa%40yahoogrou ps.com>

>>> Sent: Fri, April 2, 2010 1:05:01 AM

>>>

>>> Subject: Re: Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

>>>

>>> Madalyn, About your opinon, that this is not the forum for this email - I

>>> wonder why? can you explain so I can understand?

>>>

>>> I find that it is very relevant to all our predicaments and future. I for

>>> one am convinced it's the beginning of the end of what the American

>>> Constitution stands for as I understand it from my history lessons. Let's

>>> just say some are to the left, others to the right, and the terrible

>>> tug-of-war will put us all face down in the mud. voices such as Jan's must

>>> be heard and paid attention to, not squelched (as if Jan could ev

[Guest guest]

Jen Zingaro wrote:

> So does that mean you will opt out of medicare and social sec when the

> time comes?

If I could repeal them, yes, I personally would give them up, for the

sake of generations to come.

- ne

[Guest guest]

Gail,

I frequently write and call my congress people and senators. I usually get a

personal response and then get emails from them on a regular basis. This keeps

me informed and then I can respond to what they are doing with a return email.

And so the cycle goes.

Yes, we need to clean house in congress. A lot of old and perhaps " dead wood "

that could be replaced with a new voice/outlook.

Madalyn

________________________________

To: rd-usa

Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 6:25:54 PM

Subject: Re: Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

 

I agree.I have never in my life emailed/ contacted my congressmen so much as

with this bill and letting them know of my desires regarding lawsuits.  the

response was a typical form letter that they will do what they preceive as

needed.  We need to clean house in the congress.  People need to remember

their responses in elections.

>

>

> I found this interesting and personally related to the Health Care Bill.

> More comments below.

> Jan Patenaude

>

>

> This teacher is truly a genius! (photo removed - don't know if accurate,

> but sounds plausible).

>

> As the late said, " you cannot multiply wealth by dividing

> it. "

>

> An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had

> never

> failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class.

> That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked, and that no one

> would

> be poor and no one would be rich --- a great equalizer. The professor then

> said,

> " OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan " . All grades

> would

> be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade, so no one would

> fail

> and no one would receive an A. After the first test, the grades were

> averaged

> and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset, and the

> students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around,

> the

> students who studied little had studied even less, and the ones who

> studied hard

> decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little. The second

> test average

> was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average

> was an F.

> The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all

> resulted in hard

> feelings, and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All

> failed, to their

> great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also

> ultimately fail

> because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when

> government

> takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

>

>

>

> I work hard to stay healthy. For MANY years I never carried insurance

> because I take care to protect my personal health. If I need health care, I

> pay

> out of pocket. When I needed 4 stitches in my upper lip (face plant when

> rock climbing - my husband did the 4 stitches in about 20 minutes. (The ER

> would have charged me nearly $1000 for the same service, and no, my hubby

> isn't a doctor - had field surgery training before he went to Vietnam - the

>

> scar is barely noticeable.)

>

> So, now, I'm supposed to pay for health care for all the people that don't

> give a crap about their health and run to the doctor for every cough,

> fever, lap band and for perfectly preventable things if they just took care

> of

> their health or addressed their personal addiction issues.

>

> Now, coverage for catestrophic stuff? Yes. Do people end up with health

> problems over which they have NO control? Yes.

>

> But, a new health care bill that includes components for nationalizing

> Student Loans? What does that have to do with health care.

>

> A bill written by lawyers that has NO tort reform so that docs still have

> to pay HUGE insurance premiums just to practice? Why wasn't that addresses?

>

> Of course, we ALL know why.

>

> It's pathetic.

>

> Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> Consultant, Writer, Speaker

> Director of Medical Nutrition

> Signet Diagnostic Corporation

> (Mountain Time)

> Fax:

> DineRight4aol (DOT) com <DineRight4% 40aol.com>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Madalyn Friedberg wrote:

> Jen, That is the point I have been trying to make. I can't understand

> how the people who are against the governments involvement in the

> present health care bill can morally accept 'government handouts'.

> Either you are for or against, you cannot be for what is good for you

> and against what is good for others. But I guess people think they

> can and are very vocal about the way they feel. This is my very

> humble opinion

To absolutely stick to your belief, one would refuse these -- and also

social security.

However, when you consider that instead of being allowed to save for

your old age and health yourself, your money has been taken away from

you in the form of taxes, it is fair to accept it back when the time comes.

Nonetheless, I would gladly give up social security, Medicare, and

Medicaid for myself if these could be repealed tomorrow, for the benefit

of our children and generations to come.

- ne

[Guest guest]

Madalyn Friedberg wrote:

> Jen, That is the point I have been trying to make. I can't understand

> how the people who are against the governments involvement in the

> present health care bill can morally accept 'government handouts'.

> Either you are for or against, you cannot be for what is good for you

> and against what is good for others. But I guess people think they

> can and are very vocal about the way they feel. This is my very

> humble opinion

To absolutely stick to your belief, one would refuse these -- and also

social security.

However, when you consider that instead of being allowed to save for

your old age and health yourself, your money has been taken away from

you in the form of taxes, it is fair to accept it back when the time comes.

Nonetheless, I would gladly give up social security, Medicare, and

Medicaid for myself if these could be repealed tomorrow, for the benefit

of our children and generations to come.

- ne

[Guest guest]

Madalyn Friedberg wrote:

> Jen, That is the point I have been trying to make. I can't understand

> how the people who are against the governments involvement in the

> present health care bill can morally accept 'government handouts'.

> Either you are for or against, you cannot be for what is good for you

> and against what is good for others. But I guess people think they

> can and are very vocal about the way they feel. This is my very

> humble opinion

To absolutely stick to your belief, one would refuse these -- and also

social security.

However, when you consider that instead of being allowed to save for

your old age and health yourself, your money has been taken away from

you in the form of taxes, it is fair to accept it back when the time comes.

Nonetheless, I would gladly give up social security, Medicare, and

Medicaid for myself if these could be repealed tomorrow, for the benefit

of our children and generations to come.

- ne

[Guest guest]

There won't be SS when it's time for me to retire and I'm planning/saving as

if their won't be. 2010 was the first year in which money paid out from SS

was > than money taken in. This wasn't supposed to happen until 2016.

>

>

> So does that mean you will opt out of medicare and social sec when the

> time comes?

>

>

> On Saturday, April 3, 2010, Tavis Piattoly

<tpiattoly@...<tpiattoly%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

> > I came across this from an older gent I admire who has seen it all during

> > his day.

> >

> > 1. Americans spend $36,000,000 at Wal-Mart Every hour of every day.

> > 2.. This works out to $20,928 profit every minute!

> > 3. Wal-Mart will sell more from January 1 to St. 's Day (March

> > 17th) than Target sells all year.

> > 4. Wal-Mart is bigger than Home Depot + Kroger + Target + Sears + Costco

> +

> > K-Mart combined.

> > 5. Wal-Mart employs 1.6 million people and is the largest private

> Employer,

> > and most speak English.

> > 6. Wal-Mart is the largest company in the history of the World.

> > 7. Wal-Mart now sells more food than Kroger & Safeway combined, and keep

> in

> > mind they did this in only 15 years.

> > 8. During this same period, 31 supermarket chains sought bankruptcy.

> > 9. Wal-Mart now sells more food than any other store in the world.

> > 10. Wal-Mart has approx 3,900 stores in the USA of which 1,906 are Super

> > Centers; this is 1,000 more than it had 5 Years ago.

> > 11. This year 7.2 billion different purchasing experiences will occur At

> a

> > Wal-Mart store. (Earth's population is approximately 6.5 Billion.).

> > 12. 90% of all Americans live within 15 miles of a Wal-Mart.

> > You may think that I am complaining, but I am really laying the ground

> work

> > for suggesting that MAYBE we should hire the guys who run Wal-Mart to Fix

> > the economy. T

> >

> > This should be read and understood by all Americans Democrats,

> Republicans,

> > EVERYONE!!

> >

> > To: President Obama and all 535 voting members of the Legislature, It

> is

> > now official you are ALL corrupt morons:

> > * The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775. You have had 235

> years

> > to get it right and it is broke.

> > * Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 75 years to

> get

> > it right and it is broke.

> > * Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 72 years to get it

> > right and it is broke.

> > * War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 46 years to get it

> right;

> > $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to " the

> > poor " and they only want more.

> > * Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 45

> years

> > to get it right and they are broke.

> > * Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 40 years to get it

> > right and it is broke.

> > * The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our

> dependence

> > on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of $24

> > billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 33 years

> to

> > get it right and it is an abysmal failure.

> >

> > You have FAILED in every " government service " you have shoved down our

> > throats while overspending our tax dollars AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO

> > BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??

> > Mr. Bill

> > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Tavis Piattoly

<tpiattoly@...<tpiattoly%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

> >

> >> Madlyn,

> >>

> >> I think it's great that your team can provide care to those who really

> need

> >> it and can't afford it. On the otherhand, I don't think putting our

> country

> >> in a financial crisis to pay for this as well as taxing us even more, is

> the

> >> most effective way to pay for this plan.

> >>

> >> If we can find other dollars to pay for this, I'd be more open.

> >>

> >> Another problem will be less reimbursement for hospitals and loss of

> jobs

> >> in the heathcare industry. Many non-profit hospitals already run at a

> loss

> >> and have begun to dig into their cash savings to continue operations and

> >> fund capital campaigns.

> >>

> >> Thanks

> >>

> >> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Madalyn Friedberg <

> mffrd10019@... <mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> >> > wrote:

> >>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Digna,

> >>>

> >>> Of course we are all entitled to our own opinions. I was stating mine.

> >>>

> >>> I did not read the article as being relevant to the health care bill.

> I

> >>> read that some do not want to help the less fortunate and are resentful

> >>> for having the government tell us what to do. We are doing that now.

> Our tax

> >>> dollars are used for many social programs. As for the mandatory health

> >>> insurance that is bugging so many....we have mandatory car insurance,

> Our

> >>> tax dollars are used for the uninsured pool of drivers and I don't hear

> >>> these same people balking about that. Medicare was condemned as a

> >>> socialist plan - just try to take medicare away from any of the people

> >>> complaining about the 'Obama Socialism " . The bill was passed and in our

> form

> >>> of government we now have to live with it. Learn how to 'tweak' it if

> it

> >>> does not work, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

> >>>

> >>> I live with a social conscience.. I believe I have a moral and

> >>> ethical obligation to help those less fortunate than I am. I know that

> there

> >>> are people who take advantage of the system but I believe that there

> are

> >>> many fewer than you might think and that the majority who need help

> would

> >>> much rather help themselves if possible.

> >>>

> >>> I work for a company that does not charge the residents. You read that

> >>> correctly... no private insurance, no medicare, no medicaid, we don't

> take

> >>> their social security. We provide excellent care. We ask that they not

> be

> >>> able to pay for private care but we do not want them to leave their

> families

> >>> destitute. We do not do a financial search of the applicants. We have

> had

> >>> less than 2% of our residents not fit our criteria in the 38 years I

> have

> >>> worked for them. And some of those were family of staff members or

> staff

> >>> themselves. I believe that people are usually honest. We have a number

> of

> >>> homeless residents who would not get the care we provide elsewhere.

> >>> We rely on donations, an endowment and private income.

> >>>

> >>> Happy Holidays

> >>>

> >>> Madalyn

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> ________________________________

> >>>

> >>> From: Digna Cassens

<dignacassens@...<dignacassens%40roadrunner.com>

> <dignacassens%40roadrunner.com>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> To: rd-usa <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> <rd-usa%

> 40yahoogroups.com>

>

> >>> Sent: Fri, April 2, 2010 1:05:01 AM

> >>>

> >>> Subject: Re: Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill

> comments

> >>>

> >>> Madalyn, About your opinon, that this is not the forum for this email -

> I

> >>> wonder why? can you explain so I can understand?

> >>>

> >>> I find that it is very relevant to all our predicaments and future. I

> for

> >>> one am convinced it's the beginning of the end of what the American

> >>> Constitution stands for as I understand it from my history lessons.

> Let's

> >>> just say some are to the left, others to the right, and the terrible

> >>> tug-of-war will put us all face down in the mud. voices such as Jan's

> must

> >>> be heard and paid attention to, not squelched (as if Jan could ev

>

>

>

--

Tavis Piattoly, MS, RD

Assistant General Mgr, Elmwood Fitness Center

Sports Nutritionist, New Orleans Saints & New Orleans Hornets

Team Nutritionist, St. Amant High School

www.elmwoodfitness.com