Re: Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

April 4, 2010

There won't be SS when it's time for me to retire and I'm planning/saving as

if their won't be. 2010 was the first year in which money paid out from SS

was > than money taken in. This wasn't supposed to happen until 2016.

>

> So does that mean you will opt out of medicare and social sec when the

> time comes?

>

> On Saturday, April 3, 2010, Tavis Piattoly

<tpiattoly@...<tpiattoly%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

> > I came across this from an older gent I admire who has seen it all during

> > his day.

> >

> > 1. Americans spend $36,000,000 at Wal-Mart Every hour of every day.

> > 2.. This works out to $20,928 profit every minute!

> > 3. Wal-Mart will sell more from January 1 to St. 's Day (March

> > 17th) than Target sells all year.

> > 4. Wal-Mart is bigger than Home Depot + Kroger + Target + Sears + Costco

> +

> > K-Mart combined.

> > 5. Wal-Mart employs 1.6 million people and is the largest private

> Employer,

> > and most speak English.

> > 6. Wal-Mart is the largest company in the history of the World.

> > 7. Wal-Mart now sells more food than Kroger & Safeway combined, and keep

> in

> > mind they did this in only 15 years.

> > 8. During this same period, 31 supermarket chains sought bankruptcy.

> > 9. Wal-Mart now sells more food than any other store in the world.

> > 10. Wal-Mart has approx 3,900 stores in the USA of which 1,906 are Super

> > Centers; this is 1,000 more than it had 5 Years ago.

> > 11. This year 7.2 billion different purchasing experiences will occur At

> a

> > Wal-Mart store. (Earth's population is approximately 6.5 Billion.).

> > 12. 90% of all Americans live within 15 miles of a Wal-Mart.

> > You may think that I am complaining, but I am really laying the ground

> work

> > for suggesting that MAYBE we should hire the guys who run Wal-Mart to Fix

> > the economy. T

> >

> > This should be read and understood by all Americans Democrats,

> Republicans,

> > EVERYONE!!

> >

> > To: President Obama and all 535 voting members of the Legislature, It

> is

> > now official you are ALL corrupt morons:

> > * The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775. You have had 235

> years

> > to get it right and it is broke.

> > * Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 75 years to

> get

> > it right and it is broke.

> > * Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 72 years to get it

> > right and it is broke.

> > * War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 46 years to get it

> right;

> > $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to " the

> > poor " and they only want more.

> > * Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 45

> years

> > to get it right and they are broke.

> > * Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 40 years to get it

> > right and it is broke.

> > * The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our

> dependence

> > on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of $24

> > billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 33 years

> to

> > get it right and it is an abysmal failure.

> >

> > You have FAILED in every " government service " you have shoved down our

> > throats while overspending our tax dollars AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO

> > BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??

> > Mr. Bill

> > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Tavis Piattoly

<tpiattoly@...<tpiattoly%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

> >

> >> Madlyn,

> >>

> >> I think it's great that your team can provide care to those who really

> need

> >> it and can't afford it. On the otherhand, I don't think putting our

> country

> >> in a financial crisis to pay for this as well as taxing us even more, is

> the

> >> most effective way to pay for this plan.

> >>

> >> If we can find other dollars to pay for this, I'd be more open.

> >>

> >> Another problem will be less reimbursement for hospitals and loss of

> jobs

> >> in the heathcare industry. Many non-profit hospitals already run at a

> loss

> >> and have begun to dig into their cash savings to continue operations and

> >> fund capital campaigns.

> >>

> >> Thanks

> >>

> >> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Madalyn Friedberg <

> mffrd10019@... <mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> >> > wrote:

> >>

> >>>

> >>> Digna,

> >>>

> >>> Of course we are all entitled to our own opinions. I was stating mine.

> >>>

> >>> I did not read the article as being relevant to the health care bill.

> I

> >>> read that some do not want to help the less fortunate and are resentful

> >>> for having the government tell us what to do. We are doing that now.

> Our tax

> >>> dollars are used for many social programs. As for the mandatory health

> >>> insurance that is bugging so many....we have mandatory car insurance,

> Our

> >>> tax dollars are used for the uninsured pool of drivers and I don't hear

> >>> these same people balking about that. Medicare was condemned as a

> >>> socialist plan - just try to take medicare away from any of the people

> >>> complaining about the 'Obama Socialism " . The bill was passed and in our

> form

> >>> of government we now have to live with it. Learn how to 'tweak' it if

> it

> >>> does not work, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

> >>>

> >>> I live with a social conscience.. I believe I have a moral and

> >>> ethical obligation to help those less fortunate than I am. I know that

> there

> >>> are people who take advantage of the system but I believe that there

> are

> >>> many fewer than you might think and that the majority who need help

> would

> >>> much rather help themselves if possible.

> >>>

> >>> I work for a company that does not charge the residents. You read that

> >>> correctly... no private insurance, no medicare, no medicaid, we don't

> take

> >>> their social security. We provide excellent care. We ask that they not

> be

> >>> able to pay for private care but we do not want them to leave their

> families

> >>> destitute. We do not do a financial search of the applicants. We have

> had

> >>> less than 2% of our residents not fit our criteria in the 38 years I

> have

> >>> worked for them. And some of those were family of staff members or

> staff

> >>> themselves. I believe that people are usually honest. We have a number

> of

> >>> homeless residents who would not get the care we provide elsewhere.

> >>> We rely on donations, an endowment and private income.

> >>>

> >>> Happy Holidays

> >>>

> >>> Madalyn

> >>>

> >>> ________________________________

> >>>

> >>> From: Digna Cassens

<dignacassens@...<dignacassens%40roadrunner.com>

> <dignacassens%40roadrunner.com>>

> >>>

> >>> To: rd-usa <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> <rd-usa%

> 40yahoogroups.com>

>

> >>> Sent: Fri, April 2, 2010 1:05:01 AM

> >>>

> >>> Subject: Re: Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill

> comments

> >>>

> >>> Madalyn, About your opinon, that this is not the forum for this email -

> I

> >>> wonder why? can you explain so I can understand?

> >>>

> >>> I find that it is very relevant to all our predicaments and future. I

> for

> >>> one am convinced it's the beginning of the end of what the American

> >>> Constitution stands for as I understand it from my history lessons.

> Let's

> >>> just say some are to the left, others to the right, and the terrible

> >>> tug-of-war will put us all face down in the mud. voices such as Jan's

> must

> >>> be heard and paid attention to, not squelched (as if Jan could ev

>

--

Tavis Piattoly, MS, RD

Assistant General Mgr, Elmwood Fitness Center

Sports Nutritionist, New Orleans Saints & New Orleans Hornets

Team Nutritionist, St. Amant High School

www.elmwoodfitness.com

April 4, 2010

There won't be SS when it's time for me to retire and I'm planning/saving as

if their won't be. 2010 was the first year in which money paid out from SS

was > than money taken in. This wasn't supposed to happen until 2016.

>

> So does that mean you will opt out of medicare and social sec when the

> time comes?

>

> On Saturday, April 3, 2010, Tavis Piattoly

<tpiattoly@...<tpiattoly%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

> > I came across this from an older gent I admire who has seen it all during

> > his day.

> >

> > 1. Americans spend $36,000,000 at Wal-Mart Every hour of every day.

> > 2.. This works out to $20,928 profit every minute!

> > 3. Wal-Mart will sell more from January 1 to St. 's Day (March

> > 17th) than Target sells all year.

> > 4. Wal-Mart is bigger than Home Depot + Kroger + Target + Sears + Costco

> +

> > K-Mart combined.

> > 5. Wal-Mart employs 1.6 million people and is the largest private

> Employer,

> > and most speak English.

> > 6. Wal-Mart is the largest company in the history of the World.

> > 7. Wal-Mart now sells more food than Kroger & Safeway combined, and keep

> in

> > mind they did this in only 15 years.

> > 8. During this same period, 31 supermarket chains sought bankruptcy.

> > 9. Wal-Mart now sells more food than any other store in the world.

> > 10. Wal-Mart has approx 3,900 stores in the USA of which 1,906 are Super

> > Centers; this is 1,000 more than it had 5 Years ago.

> > 11. This year 7.2 billion different purchasing experiences will occur At

> a

> > Wal-Mart store. (Earth's population is approximately 6.5 Billion.).

> > 12. 90% of all Americans live within 15 miles of a Wal-Mart.

> > You may think that I am complaining, but I am really laying the ground

> work

> > for suggesting that MAYBE we should hire the guys who run Wal-Mart to Fix

> > the economy. T

> >

> > This should be read and understood by all Americans Democrats,

> Republicans,

> > EVERYONE!!

> >

> > To: President Obama and all 535 voting members of the Legislature, It

> is

> > now official you are ALL corrupt morons:

> > * The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775. You have had 235

> years

> > to get it right and it is broke.

> > * Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 75 years to

> get

> > it right and it is broke.

> > * Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 72 years to get it

> > right and it is broke.

> > * War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 46 years to get it

> right;

> > $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to " the

> > poor " and they only want more.

> > * Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 45

> years

> > to get it right and they are broke.

> > * Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 40 years to get it

> > right and it is broke.

> > * The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our

> dependence

> > on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of $24

> > billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 33 years

> to

> > get it right and it is an abysmal failure.

> >

> > You have FAILED in every " government service " you have shoved down our

> > throats while overspending our tax dollars AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO

> > BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??

> > Mr. Bill

> > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Tavis Piattoly

<tpiattoly@...<tpiattoly%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

> >

> >> Madlyn,

> >>

> >> I think it's great that your team can provide care to those who really

> need

> >> it and can't afford it. On the otherhand, I don't think putting our

> country

> >> in a financial crisis to pay for this as well as taxing us even more, is

> the

> >> most effective way to pay for this plan.

> >>

> >> If we can find other dollars to pay for this, I'd be more open.

> >>

> >> Another problem will be less reimbursement for hospitals and loss of

> jobs

> >> in the heathcare industry. Many non-profit hospitals already run at a

> loss

> >> and have begun to dig into their cash savings to continue operations and

> >> fund capital campaigns.

> >>

> >> Thanks

> >>

> >> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Madalyn Friedberg <

> mffrd10019@... <mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> >> > wrote:

> >>

> >>>

> >>> Digna,

> >>>

> >>> Of course we are all entitled to our own opinions. I was stating mine.

> >>>

> >>> I did not read the article as being relevant to the health care bill.

> I

> >>> read that some do not want to help the less fortunate and are resentful

> >>> for having the government tell us what to do. We are doing that now.

> Our tax

> >>> dollars are used for many social programs. As for the mandatory health

> >>> insurance that is bugging so many....we have mandatory car insurance,

> Our

> >>> tax dollars are used for the uninsured pool of drivers and I don't hear

> >>> these same people balking about that. Medicare was condemned as a

> >>> socialist plan - just try to take medicare away from any of the people

> >>> complaining about the 'Obama Socialism " . The bill was passed and in our

> form

> >>> of government we now have to live with it. Learn how to 'tweak' it if

> it

> >>> does not work, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

> >>>

> >>> I live with a social conscience.. I believe I have a moral and

> >>> ethical obligation to help those less fortunate than I am. I know that

> there

> >>> are people who take advantage of the system but I believe that there

> are

> >>> many fewer than you might think and that the majority who need help

> would

> >>> much rather help themselves if possible.

> >>>

> >>> I work for a company that does not charge the residents. You read that

> >>> correctly... no private insurance, no medicare, no medicaid, we don't

> take

> >>> their social security. We provide excellent care. We ask that they not

> be

> >>> able to pay for private care but we do not want them to leave their

> families

> >>> destitute. We do not do a financial search of the applicants. We have

> had

> >>> less than 2% of our residents not fit our criteria in the 38 years I

> have

> >>> worked for them. And some of those were family of staff members or

> staff

> >>> themselves. I believe that people are usually honest. We have a number

> of

> >>> homeless residents who would not get the care we provide elsewhere.

> >>> We rely on donations, an endowment and private income.

> >>>

> >>> Happy Holidays

> >>>

> >>> Madalyn

> >>>

> >>> ________________________________

> >>>

> >>> From: Digna Cassens

<dignacassens@...<dignacassens%40roadrunner.com>

> <dignacassens%40roadrunner.com>>

> >>>

> >>> To: rd-usa <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> <rd-usa%

> 40yahoogroups.com>

>

> >>> Sent: Fri, April 2, 2010 1:05:01 AM

> >>>

> >>> Subject: Re: Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill

> comments

> >>>

> >>> Madalyn, About your opinon, that this is not the forum for this email -

> I

> >>> wonder why? can you explain so I can understand?

> >>>

> >>> I find that it is very relevant to all our predicaments and future. I

> for

> >>> one am convinced it's the beginning of the end of what the American

> >>> Constitution stands for as I understand it from my history lessons.

> Let's

> >>> just say some are to the left, others to the right, and the terrible

> >>> tug-of-war will put us all face down in the mud. voices such as Jan's

> must

> >>> be heard and paid attention to, not squelched (as if Jan could ev

>

--

Tavis Piattoly, MS, RD

Assistant General Mgr, Elmwood Fitness Center

Sports Nutritionist, New Orleans Saints & New Orleans Hornets

Team Nutritionist, St. Amant High School

www.elmwoodfitness.com

April 4, 2010

I think anyone that has paid into a mandatory system would be a fool to opt out

of it just because it's so poorly run. If I had a choice of not paying into

these systems and taking my $$ to invest and use as I saw fit, then yes, I would

opt out of both defective and inefficient (as proven by the fact they're

bankrupt, riddled with fraud sysems) programs. But since they forcibly took my

money, then I want at least some of it back. Interest free of course... I may as

well have rolled it up and smoked it.

Digna

Re: Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

>>>

>>> Madalyn, About your opinon, that this is not the forum for this email - I

>>> wonder why? can you explain so I can understand?

>>>

>>> I find that it is very relevant to all our predicaments and future. I for

>>> one am convinced it's the beginning of the end of what the American

>>> Constitution stands for as I understand it from my history lessons. Let's

>>> just say some are to the left, others to the right, and the terrible

>>> tug-of-war will put us all face down in the mud. voices such as Jan's must

>>> be heard and paid attention to, not squelched (as if Jan could ev

April 4, 2010

When was I given a choice of not paying into medicare and social security? I

must have missed that message when I came to the US and got my first job... It

was so long that my memory fails me then.

Digna

Re: Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

>>>

>>> Madalyn, About your opinon, that this is not the forum for this email - I

>>> wonder why? can you explain so I can understand?

>>>

>>> I find that it is very relevant to all our predicaments and future. I for

>>> one am convinced it's the beginning of the end of what the American

>>> Constitution stands for as I understand it from my history lessons. Let's

>>> just say some are to the left, others to the right, and the terrible

>>> tug-of-war will put us all face down in the mud. voices such as Jan's must

>>> be heard and paid attention to, not squelched (as if Jan could ev

April 4, 2010

And while on that subject, I still have not me one person who can maintain a

good quality of life just on SS income. I know we couldn't. Maybe it depends

on what satisfies a person, but my SS and my husband's sure wouldn't satisfy

us. And to boot, thanks to the economic downfall of the country our

investments, carefully made and guarded for the last 50 years are worthless

at a 60% reduction in value.

Digna

Re: Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill

>> comments

>> >>>

>> >>> Madalyn, About your opinon, that this is not the forum for this

>> >>> email -

>> I

>> >>> wonder why? can you explain so I can understand?

>> >>>

>> >>> I find that it is very relevant to all our predicaments and future. I

>> for

>> >>> one am convinced it's the beginning of the end of what the American

>> >>> Constitution stands for as I understand it from my history lessons.

>> Let's

>> >>> just say some are to the left, others to the right, and the terrible

>> >>> tug-of-war will put us all face down in the mud. voices such as Jan's

>> must

>> >>> be heard and paid attention to, not squelched (as if Jan could ev

>>

>

> --

> Tavis Piattoly, MS, RD

> Assistant General Mgr, Elmwood Fitness Center

> Sports Nutritionist, New Orleans Saints & New Orleans Hornets

> Team Nutritionist, St. Amant High School

> www.elmwoodfitness.com

>

April 5, 2010

I agree wholeheartedly with this statement, â€œI believe I have a moral and

ethical obligation to help those less fortunate than I am.â€ And, that is why I

have no need for the government to take my money and give it to whomever they

decide needs. I, as well as most Americans, perform those acts of charity on my

own. If the government forces someone to give up what he earns and gives it to

someone else who did not earn it, that is NOT charity. That is theft. The

primary write of the Constitution said, " Charity is no part of the legislative

duty of the government. " -- Madison.

I am also thankful to disagree that we are forced to have car insurance. I only

have to have insurance for someone else that I injury, or their car that I

damage, and ONLUY if I choose to drive. That is no comparison to this

unconstitutional health insurance bill that requires everyone to purchase health

insurance to cover themselves, whether they want to or not. Iâ€™m tired of that

inaccurate comparison.

W. Rowell, RD, LN

Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

Certified LEAP Therapist

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

Madalyn Friedberg

Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:00 PM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

Digna,

Of course we are all entitled to our own opinions. I was stating mine.

I did not read the article as being relevant to the health care bill. I read

that some do not want to help the less fortunate and are resentful for having

the government tell us what to do. We are doing that now. Our tax dollars are

used for many social programs. As for the mandatory health insurance that is

bugging so many....we have mandatory car insurance, Our tax dollars are used for

the uninsured pool of drivers and I don't hear these same people balking about

that. Medicare was condemned as a socialist plan - just try to take medicare

away from any of the people complaining about the 'Obama Socialism " . The bill

was passed and in our form of government we now have to live with it. Learn how

to 'tweak' it if it does not work, but don't throw the baby out with the bath

water.

I live with a social conscience.. I believe I have a moral and ethical

obligation to help those less fortunate than I am. I know that there are people

who take advantage of the system but I believe that there are many fewer than

you might think and that the majority who need help would much rather help

themselves if possible.

I work for a company that does not charge the residents. You read that

correctly... no private insurance, no medicare, no medicaid, we don't take their

social security. We provide excellent care. We ask that they not be able to pay

for private care but we do not want them to leave their families destitute. We

do not do a financial search of the applicants. We have had less than 2% of our

residents not fit our criteria in the 38 years I have worked for them. And some

of those were family of staff members or staff themselves. I believe that people

are usually honest. We have a number of homeless residents who would not get the

care we provide elsewhere.

We rely on donations, an endowment and private income.

Happy Holidays

Madalyn

________________________________

From: Digna Cassens

<dignacassens@...<mailto:dignacassens%40roadrunner.com>>

To: rd-usa <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Fri, April 2, 2010 1:05:01 AM

Subject: Re: Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

Madalyn, About your opinon, that this is not the forum for this email - I wonder

why? can you explain so I can understand?

I find that it is very relevant to all our predicaments and future. I for one am

convinced it's the beginning of the end of what the American Constitution stands

for as I understand it from my history lessons. Let's just say some are to the

left, others to the right, and the terrible tug-of-war will put us all face down

in the mud. voices such as Jan's must be heard and paid attention to, not

squelched (as if Jan could ever be squelched!).

To further state my poin:

1.. this article is relevant to the healthcare bill and we're healthcare

providers as well as healthcare consumers

2.. this article states a different point of view, proving America is still a

democracy and freedom of speech can still be exercised w/o punishment

3.. this article is lcidly written and comprehensively stated as one person's

opinion, and we're all entitled to our own opinions

4.. we're all concerned about " the economy " = mainly our own pockets; how we're

keeping our income sources viable = whether it's our jobs or contracts or

retirement pensions or SSI payments; and (therefore Jan) does have a

point there. How can less be more?

If you take a pie, let's say a 10 inch pie, and eat it, it's all yours, you get

the whole pie.

If you take the same pie and divide it among your family member, let's say 4

people, you each get a fourth of a pie, still pretty substantial, right?

But....

If you take the same pie and divide it among 12 people, or better yet, let's be

really generous and divide it among 50 or 60 or....... how about looking really

really good and divide it among 100 people!!! what size piece of pie will we

get? how many will it really feed and nourish? who can survive on a 1000th piece

of pie?

Same thing with healthcare funds. In this case it's not a party. The more isn't

the merrier. It can't be. It's a matter of simple arithmetic. The more parts you

divide something into the smaller the parts until suddenly, they're all gone.

Nothing left. Nada nada nada...

Digna

Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

I found this interesting and personally related to the Health Care Bill.

More comments below.

Jan Patenaude

This teacher is truly a genius! (photo removed - don't know if accurate,

but sounds plausible).

As the late said, " you cannot multiply wealth by dividing

it. "

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had

never

failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class.

That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked, and that no one

would

be poor and no one would be rich --- a great equalizer. The professor then

said,

" OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan " . All grades

would

be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade, so no one would

fail

and no one would receive an A. After the first test, the grades were

averaged

and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset, and the

students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around,

the

students who studied little had studied even less, and the ones who

studied hard

decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little. The second

test average

was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average

was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all

resulted in hard

feelings, and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All

failed, to their

great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also

ultimately fail

because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when

government

takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

I work hard to stay healthy. For MANY years I never carried insurance

because I take care to protect my personal health. If I need health care, I pay

out of pocket. When I needed 4 stitches in my upper lip (face plant when

rock climbing - my husband did the 4 stitches in about 20 minutes. (The ER

would have charged me nearly $1000 for the same service, and no, my hubby

isn't a doctor - had field surgery training before he went to Vietnam - the

scar is barely noticeable.)

So, now, I'm supposed to pay for health care for all the people that don't

give a crap about their health and run to the doctor for every cough,

fever, lap band and for perfectly preventable things if they just took care of

their health or addressed their personal addiction issues.

Now, coverage for catestrophic stuff? Yes. Do people end up with health

problems over which they have NO control? Yes.

But, a new health care bill that includes components for nationalizing

Student Loans? What does that have to do with health care.

A bill written by lawyers that has NO tort reform so that docs still have

to pay HUGE insurance premiums just to practice? Why wasn't that addresses?

Of course, we ALL know why.

It's pathetic.

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

Consultant, Writer, Speaker

Director of Medical Nutrition

Signet Diagnostic Corporation

(Mountain Time)

Fax:

DineRight4aol (DOT) com

April 5, 2010

I also completely agree that it is my decision to help those less fortunate

but currently much of our tax paying dollars currently goes to those who

don't feel like working. I do believe their are those who are truly trying

to make a positive change by holding a job, attending school, raising a

family, etc., but there's also a large % who are working the system. I

worked in a low income Pediatric care center my first year as an RD and it

was obvious the Medicaid system was being abused.

Thanks

>

> I agree wholeheartedly with this statement, “I believe I have a moral and

> ethical obligation to help those less fortunate than I am.” And, that is why

> I have no need for the government to take my money and give it to whomever

> they decide needs. I, as well as most Americans, perform those acts of

> charity on my own. If the government forces someone to give up what he earns

> and gives it to someone else who did not earn it, that is NOT charity. That

> is theft. The primary write of the Constitution said, " Charity is no part of

> the legislative duty of the government. " -- Madison.

>

> I am also thankful to disagree that we are forced to have car insurance. I

> only have to have insurance for someone else that I injury, or their car

> that I damage, and ONLUY if I choose to drive. That is no comparison to this

> unconstitutional health insurance bill that requires everyone to purchase

> health insurance to cover themselves, whether they want to or not. I’m tired

> of that inaccurate comparison.

>

> W. Rowell, RD, LN

> Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

> Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

> Certified LEAP Therapist

>

> From: rd-usa <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:

> rd-usa <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Madalyn

> Friedberg

> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:00 PM

> To: rd-usa <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: Re: Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

>

> Digna,

>

> Of course we are all entitled to our own opinions. I was stating mine.

>

> I did not read the article as being relevant to the health care bill. I

> read that some do not want to help the less fortunate and are resentful for

> having the government tell us what to do. We are doing that now. Our tax

> dollars are used for many social programs. As for the mandatory health

> insurance that is bugging so many....we have mandatory car insurance, Our

> tax dollars are used for the uninsured pool of drivers and I don't hear

> these same people balking about that. Medicare was condemned as a socialist

> plan - just try to take medicare away from any of the people complaining

> about the 'Obama Socialism " . The bill was passed and in our form of

> government we now have to live with it. Learn how to 'tweak' it if it does

> not work, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

>

> I live with a social conscience.. I believe I have a moral and ethical

> obligation to help those less fortunate than I am. I know that there are

> people who take advantage of the system but I believe that there are many

> fewer than you might think and that the majority who need help would much

> rather help themselves if possible.

>

> I work for a company that does not charge the residents. You read that

> correctly... no private insurance, no medicare, no medicaid, we don't take

> their social security. We provide excellent care. We ask that they not be

> able to pay for private care but we do not want them to leave their families

> destitute. We do not do a financial search of the applicants. We have had

> less than 2% of our residents not fit our criteria in the 38 years I have

> worked for them. And some of those were family of staff members or staff

> themselves. I believe that people are usually honest. We have a number of

> homeless residents who would not get the care we provide elsewhere.

> We rely on donations, an endowment and private income.

>

> Happy Holidays

>

> Madalyn

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: Digna Cassens

<dignacassens@...<dignacassens%40roadrunner.com>

> <mailto:dignacassens%40roadrunner.com <dignacassens%2540roadrunner.com>>>

> To: rd-usa <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:

> rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com <rd-usa%2540yahoogroups.com>>

> Sent: Fri, April 2, 2010 1:05:01 AM

> Subject: Re: Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

>

> Madalyn, About your opinon, that this is not the forum for this email - I

> wonder why? can you explain so I can understand?

>

> I find that it is very relevant to all our predicaments and future. I for

> one am convinced it's the beginning of the end of what the American

> Constitution stands for as I understand it from my history lessons. Let's

> just say some are to the left, others to the right, and the terrible

> tug-of-war will put us all face down in the mud. voices such as Jan's must

> be heard and paid attention to, not squelched (as if Jan could ever be

> squelched!).

>

> To further state my poin:

> 1.. this article is relevant to the healthcare bill and we're healthcare

> providers as well as healthcare consumers

> 2.. this article states a different point of view, proving America is still

> a democracy and freedom of speech can still be exercised w/o punishment

> 3.. this article is lcidly written and comprehensively stated as one

> person's opinion, and we're all entitled to our own opinions

> 4.. we're all concerned about " the economy " = mainly our own pockets; how

> we're keeping our income sources viable = whether it's our jobs or contracts

> or retirement pensions or SSI payments; and (therefore Jan) does have

> a point there. How can less be more?

> If you take a pie, let's say a 10 inch pie, and eat it, it's all yours, you

> get the whole pie.

> If you take the same pie and divide it among your family member, let's say

> 4 people, you each get a fourth of a pie, still pretty substantial, right?

> But....

> If you take the same pie and divide it among 12 people, or better yet,

> let's be really generous and divide it among 50 or 60 or....... how about

> looking really really good and divide it among 100 people!!! what size piece

> of pie will we get? how many will it really feed and nourish? who can

> survive on a 1000th piece of pie?

>

> Same thing with healthcare funds. In this case it's not a party. The more

> isn't the merrier. It can't be. It's a matter of simple arithmetic. The more

> parts you divide something into the smaller the parts until suddenly,

> they're all gone. Nothing left. Nada nada nada...

>

> Digna

>

> Why socialism won't work -Healthcare bill comments

>

> I found this interesting and personally related to the Health Care Bill.

> More comments below.

> Jan Patenaude

>

> This teacher is truly a genius! (photo removed - don't know if accurate,

> but sounds plausible).

>

> As the late said, " you cannot multiply wealth by dividing

> it. "

>

> An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had

> never

> failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class.

> That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked, and that no one

> would

> be poor and no one would be rich --- a great equalizer. The professor then

> said,

> " OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan " . All grades

> would

> be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade, so no one would

> fail

> and no one would receive an A. After the first test, the grades were

> averaged

> and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset, and the

> students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around,

> the

> students who studied little had studied even less, and the ones who

> studied hard

> decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little. The second

> test average

> was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average

> was an F.

> The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all

> resulted in hard

> feelings, and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All

> failed, to their

> great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also

> ultimately fail

> because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when

> government

> takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

>

> I work hard to stay healthy. For MANY years I never carried insurance

> because I take care to protect my personal health. If I need health care, I

> pay

> out of pocket. When I needed 4 stitches in my upper lip (face plant when

> rock climbing - my husband did the 4 stitches in about 20 minutes. (The ER

> would have charged me nearly $1000 for the same service, and no, my hubby

> isn't a doctor - had field surgery training before he went to Vietnam - the

>

> scar is barely noticeable.)

>

> So, now, I'm supposed to pay for health care for all the people that don't

> give a crap about their health and run to the doctor for every cough,

> fever, lap band and for perfectly preventable things if they just took care

> of

> their health or addressed their personal addiction issues.

>

> Now, coverage for catestrophic stuff? Yes. Do people end up with health

> problems over which they have NO control? Yes.

>

> But, a new health care bill that includes components for nationalizing

> Student Loans? What does that have to do with health care.

>

> A bill written by lawyers that has NO tort reform so that docs still have

> to pay HUGE insurance premiums just to practice? Why wasn't that addresses?

>

> Of course, we ALL know why.

>

> It's pathetic.

>

> Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> Consultant, Writer, Speaker

> Director of Medical Nutrition

> Signet Diagnostic Corporation

> (Mountain Time)

> Fax:

> DineRight4aol (DOT) com

>

April 5, 2010