Re: ADA in the news

[Guest guest]

You can get a hold of the media in that area and advise them that hotel is

breaking the law along with making excuses for a lack of tty. I would do it

if it were me :-))))

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/18/00 11:07:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

ncwaldrip@... writes:

<< At the risk of ticking everybody off here, why is it

the hotel's responsibility to provide TTYs? They're

portable enough so that we can take our own if we need

them. Hotels should be responsible for having access

ramps, and accessible bathrooms/showers, etc. But

let's draw a line somewhere.

>>

to have same access to telephone as everyone else has.

also, TTY's generally cost 200 + dollars, maybe thats inexpensive to you, but

not to me. One tiny bump and you could scrw the whole machine up (besides,

have you ever seen how airlines handle your luggage, LOL youd have a bunch of

keys and a board where theyre supposed to go).

Someone is going to bring up portable TTY's, theyre cute, very small, and

easy to carry around, however, anyone who's hands are as messed up as mine

are will agree, those keys are entirely too small to type with.

alll I can say is, it's a law so there shoould be no excuses what so ever.

Caren

[Guest guest]

--- GospelBlessings@... wrote:

> You can get a hold of the media in that area and

> advise them that hotel is

> breaking the law along with making excuses for a

> lack of tty. I would do it

> if it were me :-))))

>

At the risk of ticking everybody off here, why is it

the hotel's responsibility to provide TTYs? They're

portable enough so that we can take our own if we need

them. Hotels should be responsible for having access

ramps, and accessible bathrooms/showers, etc. But

let's draw a line somewhere.

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[Guest guest]

>

> to have same access to telephone as everyone else

> has.

>

> alll I can say is, it's a law so there shoould be no

> excuses what so ever.

>

> Caren

>

But where do we draw they line? I mean, the

drive-through ATM at my bank has Braille. It's a

drive-through! I pray I don't run into THAT driver.

No, I can't afford to buy new TTYs all the time. But

I have a carrying case in the one I do have, and I

used to take it with me. I know it's a pain in the

rear, but being deaf is a pain in the rear. If a

hotel wants to provide TTYs for possible deaf clients,

great. But I think it's asking too much to REQUIRE

businesses to buy a TTY on the off-chance that they

will get a deaf customer.

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[Guest guest]

and Crew,

The ADA (American with Disabilities Act) was formed for accessibility,

meaning big business should give accomodations for people needing them. It's

true we could bring our own portable TTYs, but should be bring our own

closed captioned TV's as well? Should we also bring our own fire alarm

flashers because we should provide our own?

It's sad to see that many business who can afford to make simple

accomodations making excuses.

Mark

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why is it

the hotel's responsibility to provide TTYs? They're

portable enough so that we can take our own if we need

them. Hotels should be responsible for having access

ramps, and accessible bathrooms/showers, etc. But

let's draw a line somewhere.

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[Guest guest]

Hi-

Very interesting thread. Just a reminder---the ADA does NOT require the

provision of any auxilliary aid that would result in an undue burden--I think

the 2 examples below would create such a burden--IMHO.

TR

In a message dated 05/19/2000 7:11:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

ncwaldrip@... writes:

<< But legally requiring businesses to buy TTYs? Not

unless the government supplies them. Should hotels

supply seeing eye dogs to travelling blind people?

Should they supply mechanical voice boxes to those who

have lost their voices to cancer?

>>

[Guest guest]

Its not to much to ask in my opinion, its our right in

America to be served equally as an individual and fully

serviced no matter the disability. No one should have to

get in a situation where they must feel that they

are disabled, hence the need for equipment and it being

bought in needing business's.

I'd be more adamant to go back to a location and be loyal if

they provided such things just on the so called 'off-chance' a

deaf person might show.

-Earl

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/19/00 12:44:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

ncwaldrip@... writes:

<<

But where do we draw they line? I mean, the

drive-through ATM at my bank has Braille. It's a

drive-through! I pray I don't run into THAT driver.

No, I can't afford to buy new TTYs all the time. But

I have a carrying case in the one I do have, and I

used to take it with me. I know it's a pain in the

rear, but being deaf is a pain in the rear. If a

hotel wants to provide TTYs for possible deaf clients,

great. But I think it's asking too much to REQUIRE

businesses to buy a TTY on the off-chance that they

will get a deaf customer.

>>

well gee, shall the hotel be required to have a telephone?? I mean theyre

light, easy to carry, and inexpensive. Why don't hearing people bring their

own telephones??

also why I wont take our tty, i use a cane, so have one free hand, ither

luggage or carry bag is with me, if i even tried to add more weight I would

tumble right over..

there are certain line that should be drawn, but the telephone is used by

everyone and i feel should be accessible to all, to each their own opinion,

you can carry your tty, ill make a fuss till hotels have them for us.

caren.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/19/00 9:41:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cinnyd@...

writes:

<< why does this statement bother me? i'll be the 1st to admit its bc of my

own

fears, i knw the possibility is there for all of us. i know thats not wht

your

post was abt, it was abt inaccessibity for handicapped. it irks me too.!

but how

do u live with " knowing or assuming " you wil or may be one day in a wheel

chair?

LasVegasG1RL@... wrote:

>

> (no i'm not in a chair, yet, but i know eventually i will be and tthis just

> irks me!!!) >>

this was a personal statement..my walking already sucks to the point I use a

chair alot of times or my funky scooter. I know I will wind up in a chair

more and more because my spine is polka dotted with tumors and I have a very

aggressive c ase.

not everyone, not even close to everyone ends up in one, but being realistic

I know I will be. does this stop me from living?? hell no, but it does open

my eyes and I do se things that are going to be a challenege, such as nonn

accessible hotel rooms or resturants or bathhrooms, you get the idea

caren

[Guest guest]

why does this statement bother me? i'll be the 1st to admit its bc of my own

fears, i knw the possibility is there for all of us. i know thats not wht your

post was abt, it was abt inaccessibity for handicapped. it irks me too.! but

how

do u live with " knowing or assuming " you wil or may be one day in a wheel chair?

LasVegasG1RL@... wrote:

>

> (no i'm not in a chair, yet, but i know eventually i will be and tthis just

> irks me!!!)

>

> anyway heres the news article,

> caren

[Guest guest]

>

> I'd be more adamant to go back to a location and be

> loyal if

> they provided such things just on the so called

> 'off-chance' a

> deaf person might show.

>

> -Earl

>

Earl,

That's my point. If they do provide these things- on

their own, not through government regulation- it is

good for business, and creates a loyalty. Whenever I

had surgery, the hotel my parents (and me, when I was

discharged) stayed at in Dallas provided captioning

boxes for us. Ever since then, even though almost all

motels have newer TVs with built in captions now, I

still stay in these motels (La Quinta), because they

have my loyalty as a consumer.

But legally requiring businesses to buy TTYs? Not

unless the government supplies them. Should hotels

supply seeing eye dogs to travelling blind people?

Should they supply mechanical voice boxes to those who

have lost their voices to cancer?

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[Guest guest]

CINDY

iT'S LIKE " THEY " SAY, " DONT PET THE SWEATY THINGS,AND DON'T SWEAT THE PETTY

THINGS " .lIVE ONE DAY AT A TIME BABE:)

jIMMY

Re: ADA in the news

> why does this statement bother me? i'll be the 1st to admit its bc of my

own

> fears, i knw the possibility is there for all of us. i know thats not wht

your

> post was abt, it was abt inaccessibity for handicapped. it irks me too.!

but how

> do u live with " knowing or assuming " you wil or may be one day in a wheel

chair?

>

> LasVegasG1RL@... wrote:

>

> >

> > (no i'm not in a chair, yet, but i know eventually i will be and tthis

just

> > irks me!!!)

> >

> > anyway heres the news article,

> > caren

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Henrion wrote:

> but how do u live with " knowing or assuming " you wil or may be one day in a

wheel chair?

" life goes on!!! "

Gee, , you make it sound like you buy into the rhetoric of " being confined

to a

wheelchair " . If places were more accessible, I would have even less

reservations about

the possible prospect of finding myself in a wheelchair someday. For me, it

helps when

I face the " fears " head-on... confront the reality (the reality as lived by

people, and

not the one that's constructed by society) and then move-on with whatever state

of

existence I'm in *now*. I've done this with the wheelchair thing and I've

partially

done this with deaf/blindness. When I " couldn't imagine myself " living, let

alone being

happy, in those states, the fear controlled me and I lived with dread in the

back of my

mind [look what the fear of deafness did to me!]... now that I *know* that there

are all

kinds of possibilities no matter what the physical condition, I'm free to live

and

experience. They are all just possibilities... and they're all different, but

they're

all the same... you get there and you decide what you want for yourself and then

you

live it. We adjust and when our built physical environment is constructed in

such a way

that maximizes accessibility for everyone, we have a whole lot less " adjusting "

to do.

Hugs,

[Guest guest]

I hope you're not driving and reading Braille Jimmy? *smile*

Mark

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Reply-To: NF2_Crewegroups

To: <NF2_Crewegroups>

Subject: Re: ADA in the news

Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:14:28 -0400

i have a comment on braille drive thrus.I have iffy eyesight,people take me

to the atm alot,it is alot easier to read a computer monitor then it's key

pad.I can see how braille keys could help people who are legally blind.

Jimmy

Re: ADA in the news

> In a message dated 5/19/00 12:44:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> ncwaldrip@... writes:

>

> <<

> But where do we draw they line? I mean, the

> drive-through ATM at my bank has Braille. It's a

> drive-through! I pray I don't run into THAT driver.

>

> No, I can't afford to buy new TTYs all the time. But

> I have a carrying case in the one I do have, and I

> used to take it with me. I know it's a pain in the

> rear, but being deaf is a pain in the rear. If a

> hotel wants to provide TTYs for possible deaf clients,

> great. But I think it's asking too much to REQUIRE

> businesses to buy a TTY on the off-chance that they

> will get a deaf customer.

> >>

>

> well gee, shall the hotel be required to have a telephone?? I mean theyre

> light, easy to carry, and inexpensive. Why don't hearing people bring

their

> own telephones??

>

> also why I wont take our tty, i use a cane, so have one free hand, ither

> luggage or carry bag is with me, if i even tried to add more weight I

would

> tumble right over..

>

> there are certain line that should be drawn, but the telephone is used by

> everyone and i feel should be accessible to all, to each their own

opinion,

> you can carry your tty, ill make a fuss till hotels have them for us.

>

> caren.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Why not? That'd be very good by the way. It'd be beneficial for a retaurant

that serves or caters to Deaf, deaf, hard of hearing customrs. (Like Chili's

near CSUN.) Honestly, CSUN has about 300 Deaf/deaf/hard of hearing students

but when we go to Chili's, we at times are treated like lepers because we

sign.

It's interesting when you say thatt waiters should learn to sign because

many teachers in California are encouraged to learn Spanish. Why? Where do

WE draw that line? Why is it that instructions are written in English AND

Spanish at local hospitals and Department of Motor Vehicles instruction

books. Why can't they all learn to speak English for crying out loud?! AND

WHY DOES EVERONE SPEAK CHINESE IN A CHINESE RESTAURANT!!! WHY WHY WHY!!!! =)

Mark@...'s.little.left.of.his.sanity.COM

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Why don't we require the waiters to learn sign

language while we're at it? I mean, everyone else

gets to order without any hassle.

The antagonist,

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[Guest guest]

> Why don't we require the waiters to learn sign

> language while we're at it? I mean, everyone else

> gets to order without any hassle.

>

> The antagonist,

>

Excellent, !!) And maybe we need to Braille menus too, eh?

Require every store to have magnifying glasses for those unable to read tiny

print on labels? I mean, that's not OUR responsibility is it? I mean,

everyone else can see normally, right? I'm on your side, . Caren,

I'm not saying there shouldn't be accessible rooms in big chain hotels, I

too will soon need them, but where is the line drawn?. If small businesses

(Clints little hotel) do not have the accommodations one needs, then why

give him your business? Go elsewhere. When do we stop complaining? We

throw a lawsuit, get our way in one thing, only to find a brand new " It's

not fair. " to complain about.

Jennette

[Guest guest]

,

Thank you. your reply below was a profound " answer " to the questions i have been

struyggling

with. I am nowhere near in need of a wheelchair, but i feel if i had a few

moresurgeries it

would be a possibilty and the fear does control me more than it should. the

deaf/blind thing,

well i wont even go there, i have seen it happen to a friend of mine and she was

deaf/blind and

unable to move. very disturbing when reality slaps you in the face like that. i

know wecant

livbe in fear or we wont be living at all. i'm working on it :-)

Przybysz wrote:

> Henrion wrote:

> > but how do u live with " knowing or assuming " you wil or may be one day in a

wheel chair?

>

> " life goes on!!! "

> Gee, , you make it sound like you buy into the rhetoric of " being

confined to a

> wheelchair " . If places were more accessible, I would have even less

reservations about

> the possible prospect of finding myself in a wheelchair someday. For me, it

helps when

> I face the " fears " head-on... confront the reality (the reality as lived by

people, and

> not the one that's constructed by society) and then move-on with whatever

state of

> existence I'm in *now*. I've done this with the wheelchair thing and I've

partially

> done this with deaf/blindness. When I " couldn't imagine myself " living, let

alone being

> happy, in those states, the fear controlled me and I lived with dread in the

back of my

> mind [look what the fear of deafness did to me!]... now that I *know* that

there are all

> kinds of possibilities no matter what the physical condition, I'm free to live

and

> experience. They are all just possibilities... and they're all different, but

they're

> all the same... you get there and you decide what you want for yourself and

then you

> live it. We adjust and when our built physical environment is constructed in

such a way

> that maximizes accessibility for everyone, we have a whole lot less

" adjusting " to do.

>

> Hugs,

[Guest guest]

you got it jimmy!

Jimmy wrote:

> CINDY

> iT'S LIKE " THEY " SAY, " DONT PET THE SWEATY THINGS,AND DON'T SWEAT THE PETTY

> THINGS " .lIVE ONE DAY AT A TIME BABE:)

> jIMMY

>

[Guest guest]

Shutup Nathen,

I know, I know your having fun...... I'm, having as much fun reading them..

ha ha ha ha ha

..

Re: ADA in the news

> > well gee, shall the hotel be required to have a

> > telephone?? I mean theyre

> > light, easy to carry, and inexpensive. Why don't

> > hearing people bring their

> > own telephones??

>

> > caren.

>

> Why don't we require the waiters to learn sign

> language while we're at it? I mean, everyone else

> gets to order without any hassle.

>

> The antagonist,

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

>

> pen and paper work fine for such things my dear.

>

> a tty is kinda a necessidy if you will, what if

> there was an emergency???

> would kinda suck to have to drag a bleeding broken

> leg to front desk because

> you had no access to a phone, hmmm????

> Caren

Well, as you stated earlier, to each his own. I

disagree that private businesses should be required to

carry TTYs. I think a better solution would be

requiring phone companies to provide TTYs (for us deaf

folks, or for hotels/restaurants) at a much cheaper

rate. Most people spend between $20 and $50 for a

phone, compared to upwards of 300 or 400 for a decent

TTY. In order to make phone usage more accessible,

start right there. Have the government require phones

to have TTY capabilities, like they required TVs to

have captioning capabilities. But I am a Republican

at heart, and dislike the government or civil

liberties groups telling businesses how they should do

business. Using a phone is not a necessity, in my

opinion, the broken-leg example notwithstanding.

Although, yes, it would suck.

A better analogy: Should we require hotels to have

alarms for us as well? Alarms that set off lights or

shake the bed so we don't over-sleep? There are

clocks or wake-up calls for those that can hear, and

oversleeping and missing a job interview would suck,

too. So, we have to take our own alarms. It's part

of the price we pay, part of the cross we bear. It's

not a conspiracy on society's part, it's just

something we have to do. Be thankful that technology

has provided us with something our deaf ancestors

never had. I don't mind making an extra trip to the

car to get my " deaf stuff " , or, if necessary, getting

a bellhop to bring it in for me.

Still looking for that can of whoop ass??

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[Guest guest]

--- & Ann Cross

wrote:

> Shutup Nathen,

> I know, I know your having fun.....

Now, see, Caren, THIS is a can of Whoop Ass! Telling

me point blank to shut the hell up. That's what my

wife does!!

Point taken, ....

The obnoxious Texan,

(a redundancy??)

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[Guest guest]

>

>

> Excellent, !!)

I'm on

> your side, . Caren,

> I'm not saying there shouldn't be accessible rooms

> in big chain hotels, I

> too will soon need them, but where is the line

> drawn?. If small businesses

> (Clints little hotel) do not have the accommodations

> one needs, then why

> give him your business? Go elsewhere. When do we

> stop complaining? We

> throw a lawsuit, get our way in one thing, only to

> find a brand new " It's

> not fair. " to complain about.

>

> Jennette

>

Jennette,

A) You almost gave me a heart attack! I think you're

the first Crewbie to ever agree with me... Watch out,

or you'll be ostracized, too!

Thanks for saying what I wanted to say, only

better. Just take our business elsewhere! Lawsuits

may have served a point once inthis country, but

today, with people suing for every little thing, they

have lost their meaning. Even a lawsuit with merit

will only cause rolled eyes by most people.

Ok. I told I would shut up, so......

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[Guest guest]

Hey, Mark! I've actually eaten at that Chili's! In

1991, I applied at CSUN, and was accepted. Drove out

to California, just like Jed Clampett, ready to take

over out there. Got a crappy apartment, registered

for the Fall semester, then came back to get my stuff

when I had to cancel. Texas Rehab. had said they

would pay for my tuition, and in fact, ENCOURAGED me

to go to CSUN because of the deaf population there.

Then about a week before school, they said, " Oh, wow,

that involves out of state tuition. We can't pay

that! " Duh!

At any rate, while at CSUN registering, I ate at that

Chili's with my parents. And I got a shirt in the

mail with a logo that says, " Deaf CSUNians " on it.

Still got it, somewhere. But it's a good thing TX.

Rehab screwed me over, because the great Northridge

earthquake was that semester, and it completely

demolished the apt. building I was to live in.

Came back to Texas, where all we have is tornadoes.

--- Mark Sarmac wrote:

> Why not? That'd be very good by the way. It'd be

> beneficial for a retaurant

> that serves or caters to Deaf, deaf, hard of hearing

> customrs. (Like Chili's

> near CSUN.) Honestly, CSUN has about 300

> Deaf/deaf/hard of hearing students

> but when we go to Chili's, we at times are treated

> like lepers because we

> sign.

>

> It's interesting when you say thatt waiters should

> learn to sign because

> many teachers in California are encouraged to learn

> Spanish. Why? Where do

> WE draw that line? Why is it that instructions are

> written in English AND

> Spanish at local hospitals and Department of Motor

> Vehicles instruction

> books. Why can't they all learn to speak English for

> crying out loud?! AND

> WHY DOES EVERONE SPEAK CHINESE IN A CHINESE

> RESTAURANT!!! WHY WHY WHY!!!! =)

>

> Mark@...'s.little.left.of.his.sanity.COM

>

>

>

> ----Original Message Follows----

> From: and Christi Waldrip

>

>

> Why don't we require the waiters to learn sign

> language while we're at it? I mean, everyone else

> gets to order without any hassle.

>

> The antagonist,

>

>

>

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>