Guest guest Posted July 13, 1999 Report Share Posted July 13, 1999 Hi Pete. I once attended a seminar with a person who had studied schizophrenic thinking. He told us that schizophrenics was unable to understand the following joke: " Once there were two men and a woman on a desert island. After a month the woman died. After another month the one man said to the other: " I'm tired of this filthy stuff, lets bury her. " They did. A month later the other man said: " I'm tired of this filthy stuff, lets dig her up! " Pete, if you understand this joke, you are not a schizophrenic, you have only got a filthy mind. I guess you wont hold me responsible of your thoughts. My picture is not anything but preparing for dinner. You can think what you want, but it could not be mine responsibility. Bjørn Pete Watts wrote: > > Ok Bjorn, You got me. What's with the hanging chicken and the naked child pic in the vault? Doubtless groupers will give this as proof that 12sf is into ritual Satanic abuse or something. Pete > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > [it's a Free World]It's a Free World > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > www. - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 1999 Report Share Posted July 13, 1999 Hi Pete. I once attended a seminar with a person who had studied schizophrenic thinking. He told us that schizophrenics was unable to understand the following joke: " Once there were two men and a woman on a desert island. After a month the woman died. After another month the one man said to the other: " I'm tired of this filthy stuff, lets bury her. " They did. A month later the other man said: " I'm tired of this filthy stuff, lets dig her up! " Pete, if you understand this joke, you are not a schizophrenic, you have only got a filthy mind. I guess you wont hold me responsible of your thoughts. My picture is not anything but preparing for dinner. You can think what you want, but it could not be mine responsibility. Bjørn Pete Watts wrote: > > Ok Bjorn, You got me. What's with the hanging chicken and the naked child pic in the vault? Doubtless groupers will give this as proof that 12sf is into ritual Satanic abuse or something. Pete > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > [it's a Free World]It's a Free World > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > www. - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 1999 Report Share Posted July 13, 1999 Hi Pete. I once attended a seminar with a person who had studied schizophrenic thinking. He told us that schizophrenics was unable to understand the following joke: " Once there were two men and a woman on a desert island. After a month the woman died. After another month the one man said to the other: " I'm tired of this filthy stuff, lets bury her. " They did. A month later the other man said: " I'm tired of this filthy stuff, lets dig her up! " Pete, if you understand this joke, you are not a schizophrenic, you have only got a filthy mind. I guess you wont hold me responsible of your thoughts. My picture is not anything but preparing for dinner. You can think what you want, but it could not be mine responsibility. Bjørn Pete Watts wrote: > > Ok Bjorn, You got me. What's with the hanging chicken and the naked child pic in the vault? Doubtless groupers will give this as proof that 12sf is into ritual Satanic abuse or something. Pete > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > [it's a Free World]It's a Free World > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > www. - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 1999 Report Share Posted July 13, 1999 Bjorn, I never for a moment thought that the pic was anything but innocent. but I did think it rather an odd choice. do you kill the chicken yourself or only pluck it? Regarding the schizophrenia test, this reminds me of the Proverb Test, to which I myself have been subjected, which basically holds that schizophrenics cant explain proverbs. Ever explained a proverb (presumably Danish has them too), like " Look Before You Leap? " . It is surprisingly difficult to do. The reason is that they are so ingrained that they in a sense cease being metaphors and become the normal means of expression of an idea. Hence, they become very difficult to explain without simply restating the proverb. Someone with low IQ might not even twig that a true explanation doesnt restate the original phrase, and hence apparently " fail " the proverb test. similarly , appreciation of your joke requires a bit of lateral thinking and is likely to be less easily understood by those with low IQ. Hardly surprising that schizophrenia is dxed so commonly amongst those poorly educated, or minorities for whom English may not be their first language. Pete On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:33:14 +0200 =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Herring wrote: > Hi Pete. > > I once attended a seminar with a person who had studied schizophrenic > thinking. > He told us that schizophrenics was unable to understand the following > joke: > > " Once there were two men and a woman on a desert island. After a month > the woman died. After another month the one man said to the other: " I'm > tired of this filthy stuff, lets bury her. " They did. > A month later the other man said: " I'm tired of this filthy stuff, lets > dig her up! " > > Pete, if you understand this joke, you are not a schizophrenic, you have > only got a filthy mind. I guess you wont hold me responsible of your > thoughts. > > My picture is not anything but preparing for dinner. You can think what > you want, but it could not be mine responsibility. > > Bjxrn > > Pete Watts wrote: > > > > > Ok Bjorn, > > You got me. What's with the hanging chicken and the naked > child pic in the vault? > > Doubtless groupers will give this as proof that 12sf is > into ritual Satanic abuse or something. > > Pete > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > [it's a Free World]It's a Free World > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > > www. - Simplifying group communications > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Just Tell Us What You Want... > Respond.com - Shopping the World for You! > http://clickhere./click/390 > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Pete Watts Owner PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm PD Personality Disorders Discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 1999 Report Share Posted July 13, 1999 On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:44:28 -0600 D Hall wrote: > How many AA people does it take to change a light bulb? They prefer to concentrate on them and what needs to be changed in their attitudes. I cracked this once before, and someone was offended... it is really an anti-AA joke! Pete ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 1999 Report Share Posted July 13, 1999 Hi Bjorn; Guess I'm just filthy minded, liked the joke. How many psychologists does it take to change a light bulb? Only one, if the light bulb really wants to be changed. How many Alcoholism Therapists does it take to change a light bulb? Five, one to screw in the bulb, the other four to share the experience. How many Jewish Mothers does it take to change a light bulb? Never mind Son, Your Mother will sit in the dark! How many AA people does it take to change a light bulb? None, they pray for the serenity to accept God' darkness " It is better to die on your feet, than live on your knees " Pancho Villa circa 1899 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 1999 Report Share Posted July 13, 1999 I was once subjected to the proverb test myself, Pete. One of the proverbs I was asked to explain was " A rolling stone gathers no moss. " I gave my explanation (if you travel a lot you don't accumulate a lot of baggage) and the guy giving me the test was awestruck. He said no one he had encountered had been able to explain it before. I'm not sure what this means for the test as a whole, but it surely suggests to me that not everyone who can't explain this proverb is schizophrenic. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=5766 > Bjorn, > > I never for a moment thought that the pic was anything but > innocent. but I did think it rather an odd choice. do you > kill the chicken yourself or only pluck it? > > Regarding the schizophrenia test, this reminds me of the > Proverb Test, to which I myself have been subjected, which > basically holds that schizophrenics cant explain proverbs. > > Ever explained a proverb (presumably Danish has them too), > like " Look Before You Leap? " . It is surprisingly > difficult to do. The reason is that they are so ingrained > that they in a sense cease being metaphors and become the > normal means of expression of an idea. Hence, they become > very difficult to explain without simply restating the > proverb. Someone with low IQ might not even twig that a > true explanation doesnt restate the original phrase, and > hence apparently " fail " the proverb test. similarly , > appreciation of your joke requires a bit of lateral > thinking and is likely to be less easily understood by > those with low IQ. Hardly surprising that schizophrenia is > dxed so commonly amongst those poorly educated, or > minorities for whom English may not be their first > language. > > Pete > > On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:33:14 +0200 =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= > Herring wrote: > > > Hi Pete. > > > > I once attended a seminar with a person who had studied schizophrenic > > thinking. > > He told us that schizophrenics was unable to understand the following > > joke: > > > > " Once there were two men and a woman on a desert island. After a month > > the woman died. After another month the one man said to the other: " I'm > > tired of this filthy stuff, lets bury her. " They did. > > A month later the other man said: " I'm tired of this filthy stuff, lets > > dig her up! " > > > > Pete, if you understand this joke, you are not a schizophrenic, you have > > only got a filthy mind. I guess you wont hold me responsible of your > > thoughts. > > > > My picture is not anything but preparing for dinner. You can think what > > you want, but it could not be mine responsibility. > > > > Bjxrn > > > > Pete Watts wrote: > > > > > > > > Ok Bjorn, > > > > You got me. What's with the hanging chicken and the naked > > child pic in the vault? > > > > Doubtless groupers will give this as proof that 12sf is > > into ritual Satanic abuse or something. > > > > Pete > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > > [it's a Free World]It's a Free World > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > > > www. - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > Just Tell Us What You Want... > > Respond.com - Shopping the World for You! > > http://clickhere./click/390 > > > > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > Pete Watts > > Owner > PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm > PD Personality Disorders Discussion > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 1999 Report Share Posted July 13, 1999 LOL - so everybody is schizophrenic by this test (except you)? why did he give it to you if no-one could ever explain it? were you as kinda four leaf clover he was looking for? P. On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:16:52 -0700 kayleighs@... wrote: > I was once subjected to the proverb test myself, Pete. One of the > proverbs I was asked to explain was " A rolling stone gathers no moss. " > I gave my explanation (if you travel a lot you don't accumulate a lot > of baggage) and the guy giving me the test was awestruck. He said no > one he had encountered had been able to explain it before. > > I'm not sure what this means for the test as a whole, but it surely > suggests to me that not everyone who can't explain this proverb is > schizophrenic. > > wrote: > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=5766 > > Bjorn, > > > > I never for a moment thought that the pic was anything but > > innocent. but I did think it rather an odd choice. do you > > kill the chicken yourself or only pluck it? > > > > Regarding the schizophrenia test, this reminds me of the > > Proverb Test, to which I myself have been subjected, which > > basically holds that schizophrenics cant explain proverbs. > > > > Ever explained a proverb (presumably Danish has them too), > > like " Look Before You Leap? " . It is surprisingly > > difficult to do. The reason is that they are so ingrained > > that they in a sense cease being metaphors and become the > > normal means of expression of an idea. Hence, they become > > very difficult to explain without simply restating the > > proverb. Someone with low IQ might not even twig that a > > true explanation doesnt restate the original phrase, and > > hence apparently " fail " the proverb test. similarly , > > appreciation of your joke requires a bit of lateral > > thinking and is likely to be less easily understood by > > those with low IQ. Hardly surprising that schizophrenia is > > dxed so commonly amongst those poorly educated, or > > minorities for whom English may not be their first > > language. > > > > Pete > > > > On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:33:14 +0200 =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= > > Herring wrote: > > > > > Hi Pete. > > > > > > I once attended a seminar with a person who had studied > schizophrenic > > > thinking. > > > He told us that schizophrenics was unable to understand the > following > > > joke: > > > > > > " Once there were two men and a woman on a desert island. After a > month > > > the woman died. After another month the one man said to the other: > " I'm > > > tired of this filthy stuff, lets bury her. " They did. > > > A month later the other man said: " I'm tired of this filthy stuff, > lets > > > dig her up! " > > > > > > Pete, if you understand this joke, you are not a schizophrenic, you > have > > > only got a filthy mind. I guess you wont hold me responsible of your > > > thoughts. > > > > > > My picture is not anything but preparing for dinner. You can think > what > > > you want, but it could not be mine responsibility. > > > > > > Bjxrn > > > > > > Pete Watts wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Ok Bjorn, > > > > > > You got me. What's with the hanging chicken and the naked > > > child pic in the vault? > > > > > > Doubtless groupers will give this as proof that 12sf is > > > into ritual Satanic abuse or something. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > > > [it's a Free World]It's a Free World > > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > > > > www. - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > Just Tell Us What You Want... > > > Respond.com - Shopping the World for You! > > > http://clickhere./click/390 > > > > > > > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete Watts > > > > Owner > > PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm > > PD Personality Disorders Discussion > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Just Tell Us What You Want... > Respond.com - Shopping the World for You! > http://clickhere./click/390 > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Pete Watts Owner PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm PD Personality Disorders Discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 1999 Report Share Posted July 13, 1999 Hi Pete I feed them, protect them, kill them and eat them. The race in question is called " La Belle " , and is a combination of a domesticated hen and a wild species. You should try it. Doesn't even remind slightly of the chickens bought in a supermarket. You'll actually have to chew the meat, and the taste is superb. The weight of a chicken is about 2 kilos (4 pounds?). We had a cock which was getting more and more aggressive half a year ago, and therefore we asked our dog to kill it, which he did. The cock resulted in the best 'coque a vin' ever tasted. Does this answer your question? Anyway, just the memory makes my teeth run in water! Bjørn > do you > kill the chicken yourself or only pluck it? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 1999 Report Share Posted July 13, 1999 Hi Pete I feed them, protect them, kill them and eat them. The race in question is called " La Belle " , and is a combination of a domesticated hen and a wild species. You should try it. Doesn't even remind slightly of the chickens bought in a supermarket. You'll actually have to chew the meat, and the taste is superb. The weight of a chicken is about 2 kilos (4 pounds?). We had a cock which was getting more and more aggressive half a year ago, and therefore we asked our dog to kill it, which he did. The cock resulted in the best 'coque a vin' ever tasted. Does this answer your question? Anyway, just the memory makes my teeth run in water! Bjørn > do you > kill the chicken yourself or only pluck it? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 1999 Report Share Posted July 13, 1999 Hi Pete I feed them, protect them, kill them and eat them. The race in question is called " La Belle " , and is a combination of a domesticated hen and a wild species. You should try it. Doesn't even remind slightly of the chickens bought in a supermarket. You'll actually have to chew the meat, and the taste is superb. The weight of a chicken is about 2 kilos (4 pounds?). We had a cock which was getting more and more aggressive half a year ago, and therefore we asked our dog to kill it, which he did. The cock resulted in the best 'coque a vin' ever tasted. Does this answer your question? Anyway, just the memory makes my teeth run in water! Bjørn > do you > kill the chicken yourself or only pluck it? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 1999 Report Share Posted July 13, 1999 Actually, Pete, I signed into a mental ward because I was feeling suicidal. They gave me the standard orientation tests. " Who is the president? " " What year is it? " I forget the third, but I was oriented x 3. Questions are probably different in the UK, after all, it would be hard to forget who is the queen. Part of this whole thing was the proverb test, and I can only say that the guy who gave me the test said I was the first person who could explain that proverb. I am quite sure it doesn't mean everyone else is schizophrenic. It probably means that education in the US isn't that great. There was more to it, like counting backwards, memorizing strings of numbers, etc. You are the psychologist, you must know more about this stuff than I do. Anyway, I performed well, and I'm sure the point was not only to find out whether I was delusional, but also whether I was high or stoned. This was a long long time ago, and my memory is somewhat fuzzy, but I do remember feeling surprised that people didn't understand the meaning of the proverb. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=5775 > LOL - so everybody is schizophrenic by this test (except > you)? > > why did he give it to you if no-one could ever explain it? > were you as kinda four leaf clover he was looking for? > > P. > > On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:16:52 -0700 kayleighs@... > wrote: > > > I was once subjected to the proverb test myself, Pete. One of the > > proverbs I was asked to explain was " A rolling stone gathers no moss. " > > I gave my explanation (if you travel a lot you don't accumulate a lot > > of baggage) and the guy giving me the test was awestruck. He said no > > one he had encountered had been able to explain it before. > > > > I'm not sure what this means for the test as a whole, but it surely > > suggests to me that not everyone who can't explain this proverb is > > schizophrenic. > > > > wrote: > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=5 766 > > > Bjorn, > > > > > > I never for a moment thought that the pic was anything but > > > innocent. but I did think it rather an odd choice. do you > > > kill the chicken yourself or only pluck it? > > > > > > Regarding the schizophrenia test, this reminds me of the > > > Proverb Test, to which I myself have been subjected, which > > > basically holds that schizophrenics cant explain proverbs. > > > > > > Ever explained a proverb (presumably Danish has them too), > > > like " Look Before You Leap? " . It is surprisingly > > > difficult to do. The reason is that they are so ingrained > > > that they in a sense cease being metaphors and become the > > > normal means of expression of an idea. Hence, they become > > > very difficult to explain without simply restating the > > > proverb. Someone with low IQ might not even twig that a > > > true explanation doesnt restate the original phrase, and > > > hence apparently " fail " the proverb test. similarly , > > > appreciation of your joke requires a bit of lateral > > > thinking and is likely to be less easily understood by > > > those with low IQ. Hardly surprising that schizophrenia is > > > dxed so commonly amongst those poorly educated, or > > > minorities for whom English may not be their first > > > language. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:33:14 +0200 =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= > > > Herring wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Pete. > > > > > > > > I once attended a seminar with a person who had studied > > schizophrenic > > > > thinking. > > > > He told us that schizophrenics was unable to understand the > > following > > > > joke: > > > > > > > > " Once there were two men and a woman on a desert island. After a > > month > > > > the woman died. After another month the one man said to the other: > > " I'm > > > > tired of this filthy stuff, lets bury her. " They did. > > > > A month later the other man said: " I'm tired of this filthy stuff, > > lets > > > > dig her up! " > > > > > > > > Pete, if you understand this joke, you are not a schizophrenic, you > > have > > > > only got a filthy mind. I guess you wont hold me responsible of your > > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > My picture is not anything but preparing for dinner. You can think > > what > > > > you want, but it could not be mine responsibility. > > > > > > > > Bjxrn > > > > > > > > Pete Watts wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok Bjorn, > > > > > > > > You got me. What's with the hanging chicken and the naked > > > > child pic in the vault? > > > > > > > > Doubtless groupers will give this as proof that 12sf is > > > > into ritual Satanic abuse or something. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > ------ > > > > > [it's a Free World]It's a Free World > > > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > > > > > www. - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > ----- > > > > Just Tell Us What You Want... > > > > Respond.com - Shopping the World for You! > > > > http://clickhere./click/390 > > > > > > > > > > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > > > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete Watts > > > > > > Owner > > > PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm > > > PD Personality Disorders Discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > Just Tell Us What You Want... > > Respond.com - Shopping the World for You! > > http://clickhere./click/390 > > > > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > Pete Watts > > Owner > PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm > PD Personality Disorders Discussion > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 1999 Report Share Posted July 13, 1999 P.S. This was the standard test they gave everyone. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=5775 > LOL - so everybody is schizophrenic by this test (except > you)? > > why did he give it to you if no-one could ever explain it? > were you as kinda four leaf clover he was looking for? > > P. > > On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:16:52 -0700 kayleighs@... > wrote: > > > I was once subjected to the proverb test myself, Pete. One of the > > proverbs I was asked to explain was " A rolling stone gathers no moss. " > > I gave my explanation (if you travel a lot you don't accumulate a lot > > of baggage) and the guy giving me the test was awestruck. He said no > > one he had encountered had been able to explain it before. > > > > I'm not sure what this means for the test as a whole, but it surely > > suggests to me that not everyone who can't explain this proverb is > > schizophrenic. > > > > wrote: > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=5 766 > > > Bjorn, > > > > > > I never for a moment thought that the pic was anything but > > > innocent. but I did think it rather an odd choice. do you > > > kill the chicken yourself or only pluck it? > > > > > > Regarding the schizophrenia test, this reminds me of the > > > Proverb Test, to which I myself have been subjected, which > > > basically holds that schizophrenics cant explain proverbs. > > > > > > Ever explained a proverb (presumably Danish has them too), > > > like " Look Before You Leap? " . It is surprisingly > > > difficult to do. The reason is that they are so ingrained > > > that they in a sense cease being metaphors and become the > > > normal means of expression of an idea. Hence, they become > > > very difficult to explain without simply restating the > > > proverb. Someone with low IQ might not even twig that a > > > true explanation doesnt restate the original phrase, and > > > hence apparently " fail " the proverb test. similarly , > > > appreciation of your joke requires a bit of lateral > > > thinking and is likely to be less easily understood by > > > those with low IQ. Hardly surprising that schizophrenia is > > > dxed so commonly amongst those poorly educated, or > > > minorities for whom English may not be their first > > > language. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:33:14 +0200 =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= > > > Herring wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Pete. > > > > > > > > I once attended a seminar with a person who had studied > > schizophrenic > > > > thinking. > > > > He told us that schizophrenics was unable to understand the > > following > > > > joke: > > > > > > > > " Once there were two men and a woman on a desert island. After a > > month > > > > the woman died. After another month the one man said to the other: > > " I'm > > > > tired of this filthy stuff, lets bury her. " They did. > > > > A month later the other man said: " I'm tired of this filthy stuff, > > lets > > > > dig her up! " > > > > > > > > Pete, if you understand this joke, you are not a schizophrenic, you > > have > > > > only got a filthy mind. I guess you wont hold me responsible of your > > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > My picture is not anything but preparing for dinner. You can think > > what > > > > you want, but it could not be mine responsibility. > > > > > > > > Bjxrn > > > > > > > > Pete Watts wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok Bjorn, > > > > > > > > You got me. What's with the hanging chicken and the naked > > > > child pic in the vault? > > > > > > > > Doubtless groupers will give this as proof that 12sf is > > > > into ritual Satanic abuse or something. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > ------ > > > > > [it's a Free World]It's a Free World > > > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > > > > > www. - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > ----- > > > > Just Tell Us What You Want... > > > > Respond.com - Shopping the World for You! > > > > http://clickhere./click/390 > > > > > > > > > > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > > > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete Watts > > > > > > Owner > > > PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm > > > PD Personality Disorders Discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > Just Tell Us What You Want... > > Respond.com - Shopping the World for You! > > http://clickhere./click/390 > > > > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > Pete Watts > > Owner > PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm > PD Personality Disorders Discussion > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 1999 Report Share Posted July 13, 1999 ...me too...oh well...it's back to SAA for me....heheheheh! Good jokes. -I sent this to Apple and then thought you and Rose would like it: To Whom it May Concern: I am hereby officially tendering my resignation as an adult. I have decided I would like to accept the responsibilities of an 8 year old again. I want to go to Mc's and think that it's a four star restaurant. I want to sail sticks across a fresh mud puddle and make ripples with rocks. I want to think M & Ms are better than money because you can eat them. I want to play dodgeball at recess and paint with watercolors in art. I want to lie under a big oak tree and run a lemonade stand with my friends on a hot summer's day. I want to return to a time when life was simple. When all you knew were colors, multiplication tables, and nursery rhymes, but that didn't bother you, because you didn't know what you didn't know and you didn't care. All you knew was to be happy because you were blissfully unaware of all the things that should make you worried or upset. I want to think the world is fair. That everyone is honest and good. I want to believe that anything is possible. Somewhere in our youth, we matured and learned too much. There are nuclear weapons, war, prejudice, and abused children. Lies, unhappy marriages, illness, pain, and death. A world where companies poison our water and our soil, and children kill. What happened to the time when we thought that everyone could live forever, because we didn't grasp the concept of death? When the worst thing in the world was if someone took the jump rope from you or picked you last for kickball. I want to be oblivious to the complexities of life and be overly excited by the little things again. I want to return to the days when children played hide-and-seek outside instead of being glued to a television, when video games were as harmless as Pac-Man... instead of spine-ripping, blood-splattering mind numbers like Mortal Combat, and TV still had some shows on that weren't about sex, killing, and lies. I remember being naive and thinking everyone was happy because I was. Afternoons were spent climbing trees and fences and riding my bike. I never worried about time, bills, or where I was going to find the money to fix my car. I used to wonder what I was going to do or be when I grew up, not worry about what I'll do if this doesn't work out. I want to live simple again. I don't want my day to consist of computer crashes,mountains of paperwork, depressing news, how to survive more days in the month than there is money in the bank, doctor bills, gossip, illness, and loss of loved ones. I want to believe in the power of smiles, hugs, a kind word, truth, justice, peace, dreams, the imagination, mankind, and making angels in the snow. So.... here's my checkbook and my car-keys, my credit card bills and my 401K statements. I am officially resigning from adulthood. And if you want to discuss this further, you'll have to catch me first, 'cause, " Tag! You're it. " Love, wendy > >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups >To: 12-step-freeegroups >Subject: Re: Circle of Life >Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:44:28 -0600 > >Hi Bjorn; > >Guess I'm just filthy minded, liked the joke. > > >How many psychologists does it take to change a light bulb? > >Only one, if the light bulb really wants to be changed. > >How many Alcoholism Therapists does it take to change a light >bulb? > >Five, one to screw in the bulb, the other four to share the >experience. > > >How many Jewish Mothers does it take to change a light bulb? > >Never mind Son, Your Mother will sit in the dark! > > >How many AA people does it take to change a light bulb? > >None, they pray for the serenity to accept God' darkness > > > " It is better to die on your feet, than live on your knees " Pancho >Villa circa 1899 > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Scream your mind >Be as loud as you want at FortuneCity.com >http://clickhere./click/366 > > > >eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 1999 Report Share Posted July 13, 1999 If someone got offended-screw THEM (instead of the lightbulb)!!! hehhehehee! I have found that there are some VERY serious people in AA. Personally, I'm grateful that I can be bawling my eyes out over some very real tragedy and crack a joke. Makes things bearable for me. > >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups >To: 12-step-freeegroups >Subject: Re: Circle of Life >Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:53:42 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) > > >On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:44:28 -0600 D Hall > wrote: > > How many AA people does it take to change a light bulb? > > >They prefer to concentrate on them and what needs to be >changed in their attitudes. > >I cracked this once before, and someone was offended... it >is really an anti-AA joke! > >Pete > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Just Tell Us What You Want... >Respond.com - Shopping the World for You! >http://clickhere./click/390 > > >eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 1999 Report Share Posted July 14, 1999 , Wow - some days I want all that too. I used to say wouldn't it be nice to be able to have no worries except would I have as much fun tomorrow as I did today! Sadly though, most children don't live in Kodak moment worlds. What we see on commercial TV is an illusion. I had worries when I was a kid. " I have a big project to turn into class tomorrow and I haven't even started it yet! Yikes!!! " I got mad when Mom dragged me to church every Sunday and Dad wouldn't let me pierce my ears and they both used to make me mind with a swat now and then on the behind and/or telling me to watch my smart mouth. (Today that qualifies as child abuse - good grief!) But, shoot, like says, I'd gladly join in if we could all get together and play tag just for kicks! Jan Re: Circle of Life >>Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:44:28 -0600 >> >>Hi Bjorn; >> >>Guess I'm just filthy minded, liked the joke. >> >> >>How many psychologists does it take to change a light bulb? >> >>Only one, if the light bulb really wants to be changed. >> >>How many Alcoholism Therapists does it take to change a light >>bulb? >> >>Five, one to screw in the bulb, the other four to share the >>experience. >> >> >>How many Jewish Mothers does it take to change a light bulb? >> >>Never mind Son, Your Mother will sit in the dark! >> >> >>How many AA people does it take to change a light bulb? >> >>None, they pray for the serenity to accept God' darkness >> >> >> " It is better to die on your feet, than live on your knees " Pancho >>Villa circa 1899 >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Scream your mind >>Be as loud as you want at FortuneCity.com >>http://clickhere./click/366 >> >> >> >>eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free >> - Simplifying group communications >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Don't let the next virus knock you out! Special Offer to eGroups members >Install @Backup by June 30th and win a $100 Gift Certificate from Amazon >.com and @Backup free for a year! http://clickhere./click/363 > > >eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 1999 Report Share Posted July 14, 1999 Hi Jan; I never had a chance at being a kid. One of my life's first recollections is of being sexually abused. I was three and it just got worse. I don't have a lot of happy memories (obviously!). Guess I wouldn't even be on this site if I did. I got smacked around, but mostly ignored-and I can't tell you which was worse. I grew up poor. I gotta pretend once in a while. It helps keep the demons at bay. Every so often I get a flash of a good childhood memory: like being on a swing and trying to touch the sky with my toes... I think has a good philosophy there...Tag, you're it! Love, <000a01becded$774052c0$5614fed-@mrsy> wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=5804 > , > > Wow - some days I want all that too. I used to say wouldn't it be nice to > be able to have no worries except would I have as much fun tomorrow as I did > today! Sadly though, most children don't live in Kodak moment worlds. What > we see on commercial TV is an illusion. I had worries when I was a kid. > " I have a big project to turn into class tomorrow and I haven't even started > it yet! Yikes!!! " I got mad when Mom dragged me to church every Sunday and > Dad wouldn't let me pierce my ears and they both used to make me mind with a > swat now and then on the behind and/or telling me to watch my smart mouth. > (Today that qualifies as child abuse - good grief!) > > But, shoot, like says, I'd gladly join in if we could all get together > and play tag just for kicks! > > Jan > > > > Re: Circle of Life > >>Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:44:28 -0600 > >> > >>Hi Bjorn; > >> > >>Guess I'm just filthy minded, liked the joke. > >> > >> > >>How many psychologists does it take to change a light bulb? > >> > >>Only one, if the light bulb really wants to be changed. > >> > >>How many Alcoholism Therapists does it take to change a light > >>bulb? > >> > >>Five, one to screw in the bulb, the other four to share the > >>experience. > >> > >> > >>How many Jewish Mothers does it take to change a light bulb? > >> > >>Never mind Son, Your Mother will sit in the dark! > >> > >> > >>How many AA people does it take to change a light bulb? > >> > >>None, they pray for the serenity to accept God' darkness > >> > >> > >> " It is better to die on your feet, than live on your knees " Pancho > >>Villa circa 1899 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > >>Scream your mind > >>Be as loud as you want at FortuneCity.com > >>http://clickhere./click/366 > >> > >> > >> > >>eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > >> - Simplifying group communications > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________________________ > >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > >Don't let the next virus knock you out! Special Offer to eGroups members > >Install @Backup by June 30th and win a $100 Gift Certificate from Amazon > >.com and @Backup free for a year! http://clickhere./click /363 > > > > > >eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 1999 Report Share Posted July 14, 1999 Hi Kayleigh Sounds like you have been exposed to sub tests from WAIS (Wechsler Adults Intelligence Scale). It consists of two main divisions, a performance part and a verbal part. A trained tester often only uses the sub tests necessary for the given purpose. I'll guess your right about the purpose in your case. He obviously found that you weren't delusional, which is connected with a far better prognosis in case of suicidal threats. A trained tester does not only add the different sub tests, but are also looking at the relations between different sub tests. For example, if you had had a high score on " Information " , the tester would expect a high score on " Proverbs " too. If you were high on " Information " but very low on " Proverbs " , it could be a sign of a psychotic breakthrough etc., etc. There is a vast literature on the subject. Therefore, the test is very good as a kind of general screening test and can often discover brain injuries as well. But the test is not that good unless your tester either was trained, or had supervision upon the results. The " Proverb " test alone is reflecting your general intellectual level of thinking. Which means that a high score normally reflects a high IQ. If you had answered that rolling stones don't get moss because they are rolling, it would not be incorrect, but a sign of so-called 'concrete' thinking. But if you had said that rolling stones doesn't grow moss because they are possessed by the devil, then it would have been a different matter - it's not correct. If they had thought you were on the edge of a psychosis they would probably have given you a Rorschach test too ( ink blots ). But this test is only useful for trained clinicians testing at least twice a week, and with proper supervision. Shortly, the interesting thing about tests is their purpose and interpretation, and in my part of the world we always inform our subjects about the purpose of the test. It might not be the whole explanation. To me your tester sounds either inexperienced or mostly working with people low on IQ for the one or other reason. But he has broken a rule by commenting anything at all because it is thought to influence the end results. What he should have done was to go through the test with you in details, explaining what it showed. But maybe he did? Actually I think it was an inexperienced tester who took a liking on you. Not the worst thing that could happen. Bjørn > Actually, Pete, I signed into a mental ward because I was feeling > suicidal. They gave me the standard orientation tests. " Who is the > president? " " What year is it? " I forget the third, but I was oriented > x 3. Questions are probably different in the UK, after all, it would > be hard to forget who is the queen. Part of this whole thing was the > proverb test, and I can only say that the guy who gave me the test said > I was the first person who could explain that proverb. I am quite sure > it doesn't mean everyone else is schizophrenic. It probably means that > education in the US isn't that great. > > There was more to it, like counting backwards, memorizing strings of > numbers, etc. You are the psychologist, you must know more about this > stuff than I do. Anyway, I performed well, and I'm sure the point was > not only to find out whether I was delusional, but also whether I was > high or stoned. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 1999 Report Share Posted July 14, 1999 Hi Kayleigh Sounds like you have been exposed to sub tests from WAIS (Wechsler Adults Intelligence Scale). It consists of two main divisions, a performance part and a verbal part. A trained tester often only uses the sub tests necessary for the given purpose. I'll guess your right about the purpose in your case. He obviously found that you weren't delusional, which is connected with a far better prognosis in case of suicidal threats. A trained tester does not only add the different sub tests, but are also looking at the relations between different sub tests. For example, if you had had a high score on " Information " , the tester would expect a high score on " Proverbs " too. If you were high on " Information " but very low on " Proverbs " , it could be a sign of a psychotic breakthrough etc., etc. There is a vast literature on the subject. Therefore, the test is very good as a kind of general screening test and can often discover brain injuries as well. But the test is not that good unless your tester either was trained, or had supervision upon the results. The " Proverb " test alone is reflecting your general intellectual level of thinking. Which means that a high score normally reflects a high IQ. If you had answered that rolling stones don't get moss because they are rolling, it would not be incorrect, but a sign of so-called 'concrete' thinking. But if you had said that rolling stones doesn't grow moss because they are possessed by the devil, then it would have been a different matter - it's not correct. If they had thought you were on the edge of a psychosis they would probably have given you a Rorschach test too ( ink blots ). But this test is only useful for trained clinicians testing at least twice a week, and with proper supervision. Shortly, the interesting thing about tests is their purpose and interpretation, and in my part of the world we always inform our subjects about the purpose of the test. It might not be the whole explanation. To me your tester sounds either inexperienced or mostly working with people low on IQ for the one or other reason. But he has broken a rule by commenting anything at all because it is thought to influence the end results. What he should have done was to go through the test with you in details, explaining what it showed. But maybe he did? Actually I think it was an inexperienced tester who took a liking on you. Not the worst thing that could happen. Bjørn > Actually, Pete, I signed into a mental ward because I was feeling > suicidal. They gave me the standard orientation tests. " Who is the > president? " " What year is it? " I forget the third, but I was oriented > x 3. Questions are probably different in the UK, after all, it would > be hard to forget who is the queen. Part of this whole thing was the > proverb test, and I can only say that the guy who gave me the test said > I was the first person who could explain that proverb. I am quite sure > it doesn't mean everyone else is schizophrenic. It probably means that > education in the US isn't that great. > > There was more to it, like counting backwards, memorizing strings of > numbers, etc. You are the psychologist, you must know more about this > stuff than I do. Anyway, I performed well, and I'm sure the point was > not only to find out whether I was delusional, but also whether I was > high or stoned. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 1999 Report Share Posted July 14, 1999 Bjorn, you are probably right about the test I was given and also that the tester was inexperienced. I was never told what the test was, and possibly that's not a requirement here in the U.S., but I do recall that the tester was some kind of aide or intern, not a medical intern, but perhaps a student. I should also say that I was not threatening to commit suicide, but I had told several people that I saw nothing to live for, and they asked me to check myself in, and I did. I was released very quickly. The tester did not tell me until after the test how impressed he was with my rolling stone response. I am very curious to know, was it in your experience unusual? If so, what do people think the name of Mick Jagger's band means, and why do they think they chose it? And why did they choose it? wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=5814 > Hi Kayleigh > Sounds like you have been exposed to sub tests from WAIS (Wechsler > Adults Intelligence Scale). > It consists of two main divisions, a performance part and a verbal part. > > A trained tester often only uses the sub tests necessary for the given > purpose. > I'll guess your right about the purpose in your case. He obviously found > that you weren't delusional, which is connected with a far better > prognosis in case of suicidal threats. > A trained tester does not only add the different sub tests, but are also > looking at the relations between different sub tests. > For example, if you had had a high score on " Information " , the tester > would expect a high score on " Proverbs " too. If you were high on > " Information " but very low on " Proverbs " , it could be a sign of a > psychotic breakthrough etc., etc. There is a vast literature on the > subject. > Therefore, the test is very good as a kind of general screening test and > can often discover brain injuries as well. > > But the test is not that good unless your tester either was trained, or > had supervision upon the results. > The " Proverb " test alone is reflecting your general intellectual level > of thinking. Which means that a high score normally reflects a high IQ. > > If you had answered that rolling stones don't get moss because they are > rolling, it would not be incorrect, but a sign of so-called 'concrete' > thinking. But if you had said that rolling stones doesn't grow moss > because they are possessed by the devil, then it would have been a > different matter - it's not correct. > > If they had thought you were on the edge of a psychosis they would > probably have given you a Rorschach test too ( ink blots ). But this > test is only useful for trained clinicians testing at least twice a > week, and with proper supervision. > > Shortly, the interesting thing about tests is their purpose and > interpretation, and in my part of the world we always inform our > subjects about the purpose of the test. > It might not be the whole explanation. > > To me your tester sounds either inexperienced or mostly working with > people low on IQ for the one or other reason. But he has broken a rule > by commenting anything at all because it is thought to influence the end > results. > What he should have done was to go through the test with you in details, > explaining what it showed. But maybe he did? > > Actually I think it was an inexperienced tester who took a liking on > you. Not the worst thing that could happen. > > Bjørn > > > > Actually, Pete, I signed into a mental ward because I was feeling > > suicidal. They gave me the standard orientation tests. " Who is the > > president? " " What year is it? " I forget the third, but I was oriented > > x 3. Questions are probably different in the UK, after all, it would > > be hard to forget who is the queen. Part of this whole thing was the > > proverb test, and I can only say that the guy who gave me the test said > > I was the first person who could explain that proverb. I am quite sure > > it doesn't mean everyone else is schizophrenic. It probably means that > > education in the US isn't that great. > > > > There was more to it, like counting backwards, memorizing strings of > > numbers, etc. You are the psychologist, you must know more about this > > stuff than I do. Anyway, I performed well, and I'm sure the point was > > not only to find out whether I was delusional, but also whether I was > > high or stoned. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 1999 Report Share Posted July 14, 1999 Bjorn, you are probably right about the test I was given and also that the tester was inexperienced. I was never told what the test was, and possibly that's not a requirement here in the U.S., but I do recall that the tester was some kind of aide or intern, not a medical intern, but perhaps a student. I should also say that I was not threatening to commit suicide, but I had told several people that I saw nothing to live for, and they asked me to check myself in, and I did. I was released very quickly. The tester did not tell me until after the test how impressed he was with my rolling stone response. I am very curious to know, was it in your experience unusual? If so, what do people think the name of Mick Jagger's band means, and why do they think they chose it? And why did they choose it? wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=5814 > Hi Kayleigh > Sounds like you have been exposed to sub tests from WAIS (Wechsler > Adults Intelligence Scale). > It consists of two main divisions, a performance part and a verbal part. > > A trained tester often only uses the sub tests necessary for the given > purpose. > I'll guess your right about the purpose in your case. He obviously found > that you weren't delusional, which is connected with a far better > prognosis in case of suicidal threats. > A trained tester does not only add the different sub tests, but are also > looking at the relations between different sub tests. > For example, if you had had a high score on " Information " , the tester > would expect a high score on " Proverbs " too. If you were high on > " Information " but very low on " Proverbs " , it could be a sign of a > psychotic breakthrough etc., etc. There is a vast literature on the > subject. > Therefore, the test is very good as a kind of general screening test and > can often discover brain injuries as well. > > But the test is not that good unless your tester either was trained, or > had supervision upon the results. > The " Proverb " test alone is reflecting your general intellectual level > of thinking. Which means that a high score normally reflects a high IQ. > > If you had answered that rolling stones don't get moss because they are > rolling, it would not be incorrect, but a sign of so-called 'concrete' > thinking. But if you had said that rolling stones doesn't grow moss > because they are possessed by the devil, then it would have been a > different matter - it's not correct. > > If they had thought you were on the edge of a psychosis they would > probably have given you a Rorschach test too ( ink blots ). But this > test is only useful for trained clinicians testing at least twice a > week, and with proper supervision. > > Shortly, the interesting thing about tests is their purpose and > interpretation, and in my part of the world we always inform our > subjects about the purpose of the test. > It might not be the whole explanation. > > To me your tester sounds either inexperienced or mostly working with > people low on IQ for the one or other reason. But he has broken a rule > by commenting anything at all because it is thought to influence the end > results. > What he should have done was to go through the test with you in details, > explaining what it showed. But maybe he did? > > Actually I think it was an inexperienced tester who took a liking on > you. Not the worst thing that could happen. > > Bjørn > > > > Actually, Pete, I signed into a mental ward because I was feeling > > suicidal. They gave me the standard orientation tests. " Who is the > > president? " " What year is it? " I forget the third, but I was oriented > > x 3. Questions are probably different in the UK, after all, it would > > be hard to forget who is the queen. Part of this whole thing was the > > proverb test, and I can only say that the guy who gave me the test said > > I was the first person who could explain that proverb. I am quite sure > > it doesn't mean everyone else is schizophrenic. It probably means that > > education in the US isn't that great. > > > > There was more to it, like counting backwards, memorizing strings of > > numbers, etc. You are the psychologist, you must know more about this > > stuff than I do. Anyway, I performed well, and I'm sure the point was > > not only to find out whether I was delusional, but also whether I was > > high or stoned. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 1999 Report Share Posted July 15, 1999 Hi Kayleigh. In a testing situation it's important to have a good atmosphere because anxiety can disturb the results. If you thought the test might be a kind of help there would be no problems, but often tested persons are afraid they unwittingly will unveil some hidden aspects of their personality. Therefore it could be a good idea to tell them, that they will be thoroughly informed about the test and the results - if they want to. I think the willingness to inform comes with the experience and with the recognition that the test is not God's eye enabling you to look into the hearts of other people. There is a built in inequality in the testing situation, where the tester has got the power. Unless you are in need for help, this situation could be felt as humiliating. About your question. The proverb you mentioned is one of the more difficult, as I remember one of the last of the list, so of course they are not answered correctly as often as others. But I do think a fairly intelligent high school student would have no problems. There is also a strong cultural bias in testing verbal intelligence and I would suspect women to score above men other things being equal. Because of the power structure in the testing situation, the tester will normally feel himself superior more or less consciously, and because we mistakenly ascribe intelligence with power he could be more or less 'disturbed' by a person answering correctly to questions he himself had to look up. I would guess that his response merely reflects the fact that you were more intelligent than he was, and that he had to make a big number out of it. When you first get the meaning of a proverb it's difficult to understand that others can't see it, and when others can see it before you, you will think they must be more intelligent than yourself. Misconceptions both ways. About the " Rolling Stones " I always thought it had something to do with being stoned and that this proverb stuff was a kind of cover up enabling them to travel in US (ha,ha). bjørn kayleighs@... wrote: > > Bjorn, you are probably right about the test I was given and also that the tester was inexperienced. I was never told what the test was, and possibly that's not a requirement here in the U.S., but I do recall that the tester was some kind of aide or intern, not a medical intern, but perhaps a student. I should also say that I was not threatening to commit suicide, but I had told several people that I saw nothing to live for, and they asked me to check myself in, and I did. I was released very quickly. The tester did not tell me until after the test how impressed he was with my rolling stone response. I am very curious to know, was it in your experience unusual? If so, what do people think the name of Mick Jagger's band means, and why do they think they chose it? And why did they choose it? wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=5814 > Hi Kayleigh > Sounds like you have been exposed to sub tests from WAIS (Wechsler > Adults Intelligence Scale). > It consists of two main divisions, a performance part and a verbal part. > > A trained tester often only uses the sub tests necessary for the given > purpose. > I'll guess your right about the purpose in your case. He obviously found > that you weren't delusional, which is connected with a far better > prognosis in case of suicidal threats. > A trained tester does not only add the different sub tests, but are also > looking at the relations between different sub tests. > For example, if you had had a high score on " Information " , the tester > would expect a high score on " Proverbs " too. If you were high on > " Information " but very low on " Proverbs " , it could be a sign of a > psychotic breakthrough etc., etc. There is a vast literature on the > subject. > Therefore, the test is very good as a kind of general screening test and > can often discover brain injuries as well. > > But the test is not that good unless your tester either was trained, or > had supervision upon the results. > The " Proverb " test alone is reflecting your general intellectual level > of thinking. Which means that a high score normally reflects a high IQ. > > If you had answered that rolling stones don't get moss because they are > rolling, it would not be incorrect, but a sign of so-called 'concrete' > thinking. But if you had said that rolling stones doesn't grow moss > because they are possessed by the devil, then it would have been a > different matter - it's not correct. > > If they had thought you were on the edge of a psychosis they would > probably have given you a Rorschach test too ( ink blots ). But this > test is only useful for trained clinicians testing at least twice a > week, and with proper supervision. > > Shortly, the interesting thing about tests is their purpose and > interpretation, and in my part of the world we always inform our > subjects about the purpose of the test. > It might not be the whole explanation. > > To me your tester sounds either inexperienced or mostly working with > people low on IQ for the one or other reason. But he has broken a rule > by commenting anything at all because it is thought to influence the end > results. > What he should have done was to go through the test with you in details, > explaining what it showed. But maybe he did? > > Actually I think it was an inexperienced tester who took a liking on > you. Not the worst thing that could happen. > > Bjørn > > > > Actually, Pete, I signed into a mental ward because I was feeling > > suicidal. They gave me the standard orientation tests. " Who is the > > president? " " What year is it? " I forget the third, but I was oriented > > x 3. Questions are probably different in the UK, after all, it would > > be hard to forget who is the queen. Part of this whole thing was the > > proverb test, and I can only say that the guy who gave me the test said > > I was the first person who could explain that proverb. I am quite sure > > it doesn't mean everyone else is schizophrenic. It probably means that > > education in the US isn't that great. > > > > There was more to it, like counting backwards, memorizing strings of > > numbers, etc. You are the psychologist, you must know more about this > > stuff than I do. Anyway, I performed well, and I'm sure the point was > > not only to find out whether I was delusional, but also whether I was > > high or stoned. > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > [lick] > Click Here! > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > www. - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 1999 Report Share Posted July 16, 1999 Hello Kayleigh Youve been given a very comprehensive answer on this Bjorn, so I wontsay too much. I wasnt asked to count backwards, but I was asked the date including the year, and what building I was in, which made me wonder if the shrink was mad, or maybe I was! In the Uk ppl get asked who the Prime Minister is. Probably many ppl *dont* know who the Queen is, in terms of knowing her surname, and some might not even know her first name I bet. An AA friend has tols me abt a newcomer whose drinking was so bad she still thought Thatcher was PM - meanwhiule we've been thru abt 7 years of Major and 2 of Blair. I am relieved that IQ is understood to be a factor in the Proverb test. I expect most ppl really know what any Proverb means, it's just it's become so familiar they find it hard to express differently. A few years ago I saw a program abt a " Dr Death " - a Texas shrink who would testilfy that murderers would kill again and hence would ensure they got sent to death row. He used to ask them to explain proverbs, with no apparent explanation as to why. Defence lawyers took to preventing him from seeing their clients, so then he took to writing up evaluation s without even seeing them. Shit hot shrink, that can predict the future like whether someone will kill again. He should be in Wall St. Pete On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:22:09 -0700 kayleighs@... wrote: > Actually, Pete, I signed into a mental ward because I was feeling > suicidal. They gave me the standard orientation tests. " Who is the > president? " " What year is it? " I forget the third, but I was oriented > x 3. Questions are probably different in the UK, after all, it would > be hard to forget who is the queen. Part of this whole thing was the > proverb test, and I can only say that the guy who gave me the test said > I was the first person who could explain that proverb. I am quite sure > it doesn't mean everyone else is schizophrenic. It probably means that > education in the US isn't that great. > > There was more to it, like counting backwards, memorizing strings of > numbers, etc. You are the psychologist, you must know more about this > stuff than I do. Anyway, I performed well, and I'm sure the point was > not only to find out whether I was delusional, but also whether I was > high or stoned. > > This was a long long time ago, and my memory is somewhat fuzzy, but I > do remember feeling surprised that people didn't understand the meaning > of the proverb. > > wrote: > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=5775 > > LOL - so everybody is schizophrenic by this test (except > > you)? > > > > why did he give it to you if no-one could ever explain it? > > were you as kinda four leaf clover he was looking for? > > > > P. > > > > On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:16:52 -0700 kayleighs@... > > wrote: > > > > > I was once subjected to the proverb test myself, Pete. One of the > > > proverbs I was asked to explain was " A rolling stone gathers no > moss. " > > > I gave my explanation (if you travel a lot you don't accumulate a > lot > > > of baggage) and the guy giving me the test was awestruck. He said > no > > > one he had encountered had been able to explain it before. > > > > > > I'm not sure what this means for the test as a whole, but it surely > > > suggests to me that not everyone who can't explain this proverb is > > > schizophrenic. > > > > > > wrote: > > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=5 > 766 > > > > Bjorn, > > > > > > > > I never for a moment thought that the pic was anything but > > > > innocent. but I did think it rather an odd choice. do you > > > > kill the chicken yourself or only pluck it? > > > > > > > > Regarding the schizophrenia test, this reminds me of the > > > > Proverb Test, to which I myself have been subjected, which > > > > basically holds that schizophrenics cant explain proverbs. > > > > > > > > Ever explained a proverb (presumably Danish has them too), > > > > like " Look Before You Leap? " . It is surprisingly > > > > difficult to do. The reason is that they are so ingrained > > > > that they in a sense cease being metaphors and become the > > > > normal means of expression of an idea. Hence, they become > > > > very difficult to explain without simply restating the > > > > proverb. Someone with low IQ might not even twig that a > > > > true explanation doesnt restate the original phrase, and > > > > hence apparently " fail " the proverb test. similarly , > > > > appreciation of your joke requires a bit of lateral > > > > thinking and is likely to be less easily understood by > > > > those with low IQ. Hardly surprising that schizophrenia is > > > > dxed so commonly amongst those poorly educated, or > > > > minorities for whom English may not be their first > > > > language. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:33:14 +0200 =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= > > > > Herring wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Pete. > > > > > > > > > > I once attended a seminar with a person who had studied > > > schizophrenic > > > > > thinking. > > > > > He told us that schizophrenics was unable to understand the > > > following > > > > > joke: > > > > > > > > > > " Once there were two men and a woman on a desert island. After > a > > > month > > > > > the woman died. After another month the one man said to the > other: > > > " I'm > > > > > tired of this filthy stuff, lets bury her. " They did. > > > > > A month later the other man said: " I'm tired of this filthy > stuff, > > > lets > > > > > dig her up! " > > > > > > > > > > Pete, if you understand this joke, you are not a schizophrenic, > you > > > have > > > > > only got a filthy mind. I guess you wont hold me responsible of > your > > > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > My picture is not anything but preparing for dinner. You can > think > > > what > > > > > you want, but it could not be mine responsibility. > > > > > > > > > > Bjxrn > > > > > > > > > > Pete Watts wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok Bjorn, > > > > > > > > > > You got me. What's with the hanging chicken and the naked > > > > > child pic in the vault? > > > > > > > > > > Doubtless groupers will give this as proof that 12sf is > > > > > into ritual Satanic abuse or something. > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > ------ > > > > > > [it's a Free World]It's a Free World > > > > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > > > > > > www. - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > ----- > > > > > Just Tell Us What You Want... > > > > > Respond.com - Shopping the World for You! > > > > > http://clickhere./click/390 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > > > > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete Watts > > > > > > > > Owner > > > > PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm > > > > PD Personality Disorders Discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > Just Tell Us What You Want... > > > Respond.com - Shopping the World for You! > > > http://clickhere./click/390 > > > > > > > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete Watts > > > > Owner > > PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm > > PD Personality Disorders Discussion > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Just Tell Us What You Want... > Respond.com - Shopping the World for You! > http://clickhere./click/390 > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Pete Watts Owner PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm PD Personality Disorders Discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 1999 Report Share Posted July 16, 1999 Hello Kayleigh Youve been given a very comprehensive answer on this Bjorn, so I wontsay too much. I wasnt asked to count backwards, but I was asked the date including the year, and what building I was in, which made me wonder if the shrink was mad, or maybe I was! In the Uk ppl get asked who the Prime Minister is. Probably many ppl *dont* know who the Queen is, in terms of knowing her surname, and some might not even know her first name I bet. An AA friend has tols me abt a newcomer whose drinking was so bad she still thought Thatcher was PM - meanwhiule we've been thru abt 7 years of Major and 2 of Blair. I am relieved that IQ is understood to be a factor in the Proverb test. I expect most ppl really know what any Proverb means, it's just it's become so familiar they find it hard to express differently. A few years ago I saw a program abt a " Dr Death " - a Texas shrink who would testilfy that murderers would kill again and hence would ensure they got sent to death row. He used to ask them to explain proverbs, with no apparent explanation as to why. Defence lawyers took to preventing him from seeing their clients, so then he took to writing up evaluation s without even seeing them. Shit hot shrink, that can predict the future like whether someone will kill again. He should be in Wall St. Pete On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:22:09 -0700 kayleighs@... wrote: > Actually, Pete, I signed into a mental ward because I was feeling > suicidal. They gave me the standard orientation tests. " Who is the > president? " " What year is it? " I forget the third, but I was oriented > x 3. Questions are probably different in the UK, after all, it would > be hard to forget who is the queen. Part of this whole thing was the > proverb test, and I can only say that the guy who gave me the test said > I was the first person who could explain that proverb. I am quite sure > it doesn't mean everyone else is schizophrenic. It probably means that > education in the US isn't that great. > > There was more to it, like counting backwards, memorizing strings of > numbers, etc. You are the psychologist, you must know more about this > stuff than I do. Anyway, I performed well, and I'm sure the point was > not only to find out whether I was delusional, but also whether I was > high or stoned. > > This was a long long time ago, and my memory is somewhat fuzzy, but I > do remember feeling surprised that people didn't understand the meaning > of the proverb. > > wrote: > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=5775 > > LOL - so everybody is schizophrenic by this test (except > > you)? > > > > why did he give it to you if no-one could ever explain it? > > were you as kinda four leaf clover he was looking for? > > > > P. > > > > On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:16:52 -0700 kayleighs@... > > wrote: > > > > > I was once subjected to the proverb test myself, Pete. One of the > > > proverbs I was asked to explain was " A rolling stone gathers no > moss. " > > > I gave my explanation (if you travel a lot you don't accumulate a > lot > > > of baggage) and the guy giving me the test was awestruck. He said > no > > > one he had encountered had been able to explain it before. > > > > > > I'm not sure what this means for the test as a whole, but it surely > > > suggests to me that not everyone who can't explain this proverb is > > > schizophrenic. > > > > > > wrote: > > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=5 > 766 > > > > Bjorn, > > > > > > > > I never for a moment thought that the pic was anything but > > > > innocent. but I did think it rather an odd choice. do you > > > > kill the chicken yourself or only pluck it? > > > > > > > > Regarding the schizophrenia test, this reminds me of the > > > > Proverb Test, to which I myself have been subjected, which > > > > basically holds that schizophrenics cant explain proverbs. > > > > > > > > Ever explained a proverb (presumably Danish has them too), > > > > like " Look Before You Leap? " . It is surprisingly > > > > difficult to do. The reason is that they are so ingrained > > > > that they in a sense cease being metaphors and become the > > > > normal means of expression of an idea. Hence, they become > > > > very difficult to explain without simply restating the > > > > proverb. Someone with low IQ might not even twig that a > > > > true explanation doesnt restate the original phrase, and > > > > hence apparently " fail " the proverb test. similarly , > > > > appreciation of your joke requires a bit of lateral > > > > thinking and is likely to be less easily understood by > > > > those with low IQ. Hardly surprising that schizophrenia is > > > > dxed so commonly amongst those poorly educated, or > > > > minorities for whom English may not be their first > > > > language. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:33:14 +0200 =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= > > > > Herring wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Pete. > > > > > > > > > > I once attended a seminar with a person who had studied > > > schizophrenic > > > > > thinking. > > > > > He told us that schizophrenics was unable to understand the > > > following > > > > > joke: > > > > > > > > > > " Once there were two men and a woman on a desert island. After > a > > > month > > > > > the woman died. After another month the one man said to the > other: > > > " I'm > > > > > tired of this filthy stuff, lets bury her. " They did. > > > > > A month later the other man said: " I'm tired of this filthy > stuff, > > > lets > > > > > dig her up! " > > > > > > > > > > Pete, if you understand this joke, you are not a schizophrenic, > you > > > have > > > > > only got a filthy mind. I guess you wont hold me responsible of > your > > > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > My picture is not anything but preparing for dinner. You can > think > > > what > > > > > you want, but it could not be mine responsibility. > > > > > > > > > > Bjxrn > > > > > > > > > > Pete Watts wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok Bjorn, > > > > > > > > > > You got me. What's with the hanging chicken and the naked > > > > > child pic in the vault? > > > > > > > > > > Doubtless groupers will give this as proof that 12sf is > > > > > into ritual Satanic abuse or something. > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > ------ > > > > > > [it's a Free World]It's a Free World > > > > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > > > > > > www. - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > ----- > > > > > Just Tell Us What You Want... > > > > > Respond.com - Shopping the World for You! > > > > > http://clickhere./click/390 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > > > > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete Watts > > > > > > > > Owner > > > > PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm > > > > PD Personality Disorders Discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > Just Tell Us What You Want... > > > Respond.com - Shopping the World for You! > > > http://clickhere./click/390 > > > > > > > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete Watts > > > > Owner > > PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm > > PD Personality Disorders Discussion > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Just Tell Us What You Want... > Respond.com - Shopping the World for You! > http://clickhere./click/390 > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Pete Watts Owner PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm PD Personality Disorders Discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 1999 Report Share Posted July 16, 1999 Hello Kayleigh Youve been given a very comprehensive answer on this Bjorn, so I wontsay too much. I wasnt asked to count backwards, but I was asked the date including the year, and what building I was in, which made me wonder if the shrink was mad, or maybe I was! In the Uk ppl get asked who the Prime Minister is. Probably many ppl *dont* know who the Queen is, in terms of knowing her surname, and some might not even know her first name I bet. An AA friend has tols me abt a newcomer whose drinking was so bad she still thought Thatcher was PM - meanwhiule we've been thru abt 7 years of Major and 2 of Blair. I am relieved that IQ is understood to be a factor in the Proverb test. I expect most ppl really know what any Proverb means, it's just it's become so familiar they find it hard to express differently. A few years ago I saw a program abt a " Dr Death " - a Texas shrink who would testilfy that murderers would kill again and hence would ensure they got sent to death row. He used to ask them to explain proverbs, with no apparent explanation as to why. Defence lawyers took to preventing him from seeing their clients, so then he took to writing up evaluation s without even seeing them. Shit hot shrink, that can predict the future like whether someone will kill again. He should be in Wall St. Pete On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:22:09 -0700 kayleighs@... wrote: > Actually, Pete, I signed into a mental ward because I was feeling > suicidal. They gave me the standard orientation tests. " Who is the > president? " " What year is it? " I forget the third, but I was oriented > x 3. Questions are probably different in the UK, after all, it would > be hard to forget who is the queen. Part of this whole thing was the > proverb test, and I can only say that the guy who gave me the test said > I was the first person who could explain that proverb. I am quite sure > it doesn't mean everyone else is schizophrenic. It probably means that > education in the US isn't that great. > > There was more to it, like counting backwards, memorizing strings of > numbers, etc. You are the psychologist, you must know more about this > stuff than I do. Anyway, I performed well, and I'm sure the point was > not only to find out whether I was delusional, but also whether I was > high or stoned. > > This was a long long time ago, and my memory is somewhat fuzzy, but I > do remember feeling surprised that people didn't understand the meaning > of the proverb. > > wrote: > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=5775 > > LOL - so everybody is schizophrenic by this test (except > > you)? > > > > why did he give it to you if no-one could ever explain it? > > were you as kinda four leaf clover he was looking for? > > > > P. > > > > On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:16:52 -0700 kayleighs@... > > wrote: > > > > > I was once subjected to the proverb test myself, Pete. One of the > > > proverbs I was asked to explain was " A rolling stone gathers no > moss. " > > > I gave my explanation (if you travel a lot you don't accumulate a > lot > > > of baggage) and the guy giving me the test was awestruck. He said > no > > > one he had encountered had been able to explain it before. > > > > > > I'm not sure what this means for the test as a whole, but it surely > > > suggests to me that not everyone who can't explain this proverb is > > > schizophrenic. > > > > > > wrote: > > > original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=5 > 766 > > > > Bjorn, > > > > > > > > I never for a moment thought that the pic was anything but > > > > innocent. but I did think it rather an odd choice. do you > > > > kill the chicken yourself or only pluck it? > > > > > > > > Regarding the schizophrenia test, this reminds me of the > > > > Proverb Test, to which I myself have been subjected, which > > > > basically holds that schizophrenics cant explain proverbs. > > > > > > > > Ever explained a proverb (presumably Danish has them too), > > > > like " Look Before You Leap? " . It is surprisingly > > > > difficult to do. The reason is that they are so ingrained > > > > that they in a sense cease being metaphors and become the > > > > normal means of expression of an idea. Hence, they become > > > > very difficult to explain without simply restating the > > > > proverb. Someone with low IQ might not even twig that a > > > > true explanation doesnt restate the original phrase, and > > > > hence apparently " fail " the proverb test. similarly , > > > > appreciation of your joke requires a bit of lateral > > > > thinking and is likely to be less easily understood by > > > > those with low IQ. Hardly surprising that schizophrenia is > > > > dxed so commonly amongst those poorly educated, or > > > > minorities for whom English may not be their first > > > > language. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:33:14 +0200 =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= > > > > Herring wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Pete. > > > > > > > > > > I once attended a seminar with a person who had studied > > > schizophrenic > > > > > thinking. > > > > > He told us that schizophrenics was unable to understand the > > > following > > > > > joke: > > > > > > > > > > " Once there were two men and a woman on a desert island. After > a > > > month > > > > > the woman died. After another month the one man said to the > other: > > > " I'm > > > > > tired of this filthy stuff, lets bury her. " They did. > > > > > A month later the other man said: " I'm tired of this filthy > stuff, > > > lets > > > > > dig her up! " > > > > > > > > > > Pete, if you understand this joke, you are not a schizophrenic, > you > > > have > > > > > only got a filthy mind. I guess you wont hold me responsible of > your > > > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > My picture is not anything but preparing for dinner. You can > think > > > what > > > > > you want, but it could not be mine responsibility. > > > > > > > > > > Bjxrn > > > > > > > > > > Pete Watts wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok Bjorn, > > > > > > > > > > You got me. What's with the hanging chicken and the naked > > > > > child pic in the vault? > > > > > > > > > > Doubtless groupers will give this as proof that 12sf is > > > > > into ritual Satanic abuse or something. > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > ------ > > > > > > [it's a Free World]It's a Free World > > > > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > > > > > > www. - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > ----- > > > > > Just Tell Us What You Want... > > > > > Respond.com - Shopping the World for You! > > > > > http://clickhere./click/390 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > > > > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete Watts > > > > > > > > Owner > > > > PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm > > > > PD Personality Disorders Discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > Just Tell Us What You Want... > > > Respond.com - Shopping the World for You! > > > http://clickhere./click/390 > > > > > > > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete Watts > > > > Owner > > PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm > > PD Personality Disorders Discussion > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Just Tell Us What You Want... > Respond.com - Shopping the World for You! > http://clickhere./click/390 > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Pete Watts Owner PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm PD Personality Disorders Discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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