ttc

[Guest guest]

Tara,

good luck with waiting. It is absolute torture though, isn't it?

When I was pg. with our son, I tested the day AF was due, and got a very

strong pos. after only about 2 min. The test said to wait 5 min., but

there it was, the brightest blue I ever saw!

I will also wait this month. I have decided to leave it until Monday

earliest, but I will try to hold out till Tuesday, just to be sure.

I don't know why, but we started out this month feeling so relaxed about

ttc., and it was the first time ever that I really didn't feel panicky,

or rushed to get pg. but now, I WANT IT NOW!! I just want it to be right

this time...

ANyways, no good rushing the current, I suppose.

Good luck to you, I am thinking of you.

take care

sonja

Re: ttc

Sonja and Tara -

Well, I know how you feel. The waiting is horrible. Only 9 days to go

for

me. Is this a stupid questions or can you do a hpt before AF is late?

or

isn't it sensitive enough? I need instant gratification - I hate

waiting.

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Dawn,

I will keep my fingers crossed for you. I feel like the odds are in favor

of at least happy news from one of us this month - it seems like fate.

When will the doctor review the results from your ultrasound. I'm with

you, if it's not a cyst what on earth could it be? Keep us posted on that

update.

Here's my sprinkle for today +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Tara

Re: ttc

Tara,

I am expecting AF tomorrow. We weren't supposed to be trying yet, but we

did. I was supposed to wait until after the results of my ultrasound which

I had on Mon. for my cyst. Anyway, the cyst is still the same size and the

technician made it sound like she isn't even sure it is a cyst. What else

could it be? I know she's not a doctor. Anyway, I started charting and we

did bd when I O last month so I am also hoping AF will not show. Add me to

the list.

++++++++++++(my contribution)

Dawn

Re: ttc

> >

> > Sonja and Tara -

> >

> > Well, I know how you feel. The waiting is horrible. Only 9 days to go

for

> > me. Is this a stupid questions or can you do a hpt before AF is late?

or

> > isn't it sensitive enough? I need instant gratification - I hate

waiting.

> >

> > Hang in there girls.

> >

> >

> >

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Pam,

It sounds like you have a good plan going. That wonderful. I've always

shuddered at the idea of a post coital test - that must have been the pits.

I'm hoping we never have to go that route. I use it as a joke around the

house. Dh and I bought a house and got life insurance on both of us. We

had to have a whole bunch of medical tests done before we were given the

life insurance, and I was expecting them to say " We need to do a post

coital. "

Good luck

Tara

ttc

Hi everyone,

My dr called this morning. I will be starting Clomid on Friday. He said

it was really my call if I want to start it now. He said he had no

problem giving it to me.I told him I had the opportunity to review my

past charting and they never look normal. But with the CLomid charts

they did. Also it helps in the fact that stress etc.. can screw up your

cycle. This will keep you pretty regular. I also spoke w/him about the

progesterone thing. He said Clomid will help that. He said because he

helps the first part of your cycle up to ovulation that will help the

other part to. He was more technical but I can't remember. He said to

do the opk's at least two cycle to know my pattern than after that I

probably wouldn't need them. I asked about Robitusin. He said he

doesn't believe it really helps, but if I want to use it it doesn't

hurt either. If I don't pg this month, next month he might do the

progesterone test after I O. Then from there we will see were we want

to go with this. Also on the cm thing. Since I had that test I think

its poist coil or something like that last time. My cm should be the

same on CLomid this time and not to really be worried about it.

Pam

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Becca,

Yes this is true, good news for all working mothers in Canada!

Take care,

Jo-Ann

Becca Stiger wrote:

>

> >From: AMADEA214@...

> >Well, I received some bad news yesterday. DH has received orders to go to

> >Korea. For those of you who are familiar with the military know that means

> >that I cannot go with him.

>

> Wow. This is the exact reason that my dh did not re-enlist in the Marine

> Corps. He would have been off to Japan for a year. I could have gone, but

> at our expense, and I was trying to write a thesis at the time...a real

> wreck. I told him about your situation and we both really feel for you

> guys.

>

> Why would you have to go to the civillian facilities? You should be covered

> regardless of where he is located, no? I gather he's in for another 1.5

> years - if he denies the orders how much of a hell will this make his life?

> I know it will hose him for promotions, but how will it change his day to

> day work? Can you get a letter from your doctor saying this will be a

> *heavy* psychological burden for him as well? That might go a little

> further. Don't forget to keep us posted on this. We're both pulling for

> you.

>

> I dream of the day that people won't be forced to choose between their

> family or their career - men or women. This will probably never happen in

> the military. On a different topic - there has been rumor going around work

> that Canada has extended its maternity leave to *a year* starting in Jan.

> 2001. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

>

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Amy,

I am praying that things work out. My dh is a former army man, and I have

to admit that I'm glad he's out. But in truth our private insurance is

very good. I hope with your history, the powers that be will grant him the

compassionate reassignment. When my dh decided to pursue custody of his

kids, (only in guards at this time out of regular army) he asked for a

hardship discharge. They gave him a hard time but eventually let him go,

unfortunately they call it other than honorable. It's like saying, thanks

for putting your life on the line all these years and serving in our latest

war, but forget the honorable discharge. I hope his commander is more

sympathetic.

Tara

ttc

Well, I received some bad news yesterday. DH has received orders to go to

Korea. For those of you who are familiar with the military know that means

that I cannot go with him. His tentative date to leave is June 20 (two

days

after my daughter's birthday). He has three ways of possibly getting out

of

it but we won't know anything until Monday at least. One way, the least

desirable, is definite but he won't be eligible for promotion or anything

for

his last 1 1/2 years. If he ends up going, I will have to pg in the next 5

months and then have the baby without him. I can ask my dr if she can

write

a letter to his commander for " compassionate reassignment " (this is done

for

medical reasons --depression, pregnancy, anything major). Trying to get pg

would not get him out of it, but maybe with my problems it will be enough.

Until we know something more, I am left with a multitude of worries. I

will

not be able to afford to go through procedures (if that is what is called

for) in the civilian world so this is basically our last chance. I won't

even be going for the chance that I could bc the chance of another ep is so

great and the surgery and stuff will be too expensive. That makes me want

try anyway, but if he goes (which he says he won't), he might miss the

birth

and the first few months. I am so confused. Hopefully things work out and

he will get a compassionate reassignment. If that happens, I will take it

as

a sign that I will pg soon!!! I will keep you all updated.

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Elena,

I will tell you what my current dr tells me. She says that bc the tubes are

only connected at one end, to the uterus (correct me if I'm wrong--I am

totally not good at anatomy--I should at least know about reproductive organs

by now though), and the other end does not connect to anything, that they

just kind of float and swing around so it is completely possible for my left

tube to pick up from the right side. I don't think she ever told me the

chances (%) of it happening, but she said it could happen.

Hope this helps a little bit although I'm not sure if I really answered your

question.

Amy

[Guest guest]

Elena:

I have never heard that about the diagrams of our reproductive system being

" off " or anything. My doctor told me there was always that chance that the

opposing tube would pick up the egg, but all the research I have done shows

those chances (although there always is the chance) to be pretty small.

There are not many documented incidents of this happening in women (like us)

who have lost a tube later on life. Most of the cases of a tube picking up

an egg from an opposing ovary have been documented in women who were born

that way (from DES exposure or whatever). However, if this news from your

doctor encourages you, there is no reason for you to necessarily doubt him.

The mind is a powerful and mysterious thing, and hope can have incredible

influence on our health and our body's efficiency.

Take care,

[Guest guest]

Dear Stacey,

Good luck and here's hoping you won't need those med's after all. Are you

still conteplating IUI tomorrow?

Take Care,

[Guest guest]

Stacey:

Supposedly it is a regular dose (one tsp?) about an hour before BD - regular

Robitussin with nothing else in it. I have heard though that you shouldn't

use it unless your doctor instructs you to do so, since it has potential to

cause problems with CM. It is only a remedy for women with thick CM or dry

CM (like when taking clomid).

That's about all I know - I never used the " cure " myself

[Guest guest]

Stacey,

Sending +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ thoughts your way.

Tara

TTC

Hi Ladies,

I'm sooo excited, I just got home from my RE's office where I had an

untrasound of my ovaries done and there is a big ol' follicle in the

right ovary (good side) about to be released. I don't know what made

me call the Dr. this morning. I was just gonna throw this month away

and wait to take all the heavy duty meds next month at the begining of

my cycle. FOr some reason at the last minute (I usually ovulate on day

18 of a 32 day cycle) I decided to call and see if they could do a

quick scan on me to determine the side. I didn't even take clomid this

month either in preparation for next months injections. THis is the

first month of ttc since my ep because I haven't ovulated on the

correct side until now!!!!!!! I feel so hopeful for the first time

in a long while. I told the ultrasound tech that I could just kiss

her. I never get any good news on those stupid scan visits that today

she was very happy too. Well DH is in for a big surprise tonight!!!

,

I want to know about the Robitussin tale. Is it one teaspoon right

before BD or when? I've read it too and can't remember what it said.

Maybe the $1,400 worth of injections (that's the part my DH insurance

would cover) won't be used after all!! Wouldn't that be great!!

Keep your fingers crossed for me!

Stacey

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Pam,

Sperm can live for up to 5 days! So, technically-yes, you are fertile before

you actually " O " , although actual fertilization can't take place until " O " .

Make sense? I tend to ramble...

Take care,

Krista

[Guest guest]

I have a question. i know that when you have a positive opk it means

you are about to O. But you can be fertile before that can't you? I

know it sounds stupid. We are waiting for the opk to be positive, but I

think we should bd until its positive and my temp goes up. I know opk's

aren't always reliable.

Pam

[Guest guest]

Pam:

Since sperm can technically survive for up to five days in hospitable cm,

you are fertile for up to five days before O. You are correct when you say

that you should be taking advantage of the opportunity before O. Our doctor

told us to BD every day or every other day between days 13 and 19 (I O on

day 17-18) for that very reason. I also had some problems with opk's from

time to time...I found it a lot easier to just go by my temp most of the

time.

[Guest guest]

Stacey,

Whoo-hoo! I guess the time has come and gone, and I can only say " swim,

swim, swim " and " float, float, float " (the little embie)!

Take care,

Krista

[Guest guest]

Pam,

What you are feeling is okay, and you are right-it does take months for a

" normal, all there " woman to get pregnant. They only consider a person

having a difficulty after a year! So, take heart-the next couple of months

will be frustrating, but hopefully they will pay off really soon!

Take care,

Krista

[Guest guest]

Amy,

I sympathize with your feelings. I'm starting to have them myself and my

dh agrees. I will continue to chart, but I am going to stop the timing

thing. No more OPK's or hitting days 11 - 16 anymore. My hubby has

convinced me that we should try a few months of making love rather than

making babies. Who knows, maybe it'll do the trick.

Tara

ttc

Hi, everybody!

Well, I've made a very important decision. I have decided that if this

month

did not do the trick, then I will no longer make such an effort to ttc. It

is just way too much emotionally for me. I will continue to take the

Clomid,

just to up my chances of it happening. I will also continue to chart my

temps, just bc I think this will be very helpful anyway. But I'm not going

to try to get the timing right every month. It makes bd less fun, and I am

way too anxious the last week of my cycles and way too depressed at the

beginning of them. I just can't take it anymore. I am hoping that I won't

really have to worry about it, but just in case. I had to do something. I

am emotionally exhausted. When I told DH, though, he did not really have

much to say. Should I take this to mean that he is disappointed? It is

not

as if I have completely given up and plan on going back on bcp. It's just

that I don't want to focus on it anymore. I feel that this is all I've

become. If anybody has any ideas on anything else to do, I would love to

hear them! Let's see if I keep this frame of mind next month.

Here's hoping,

Amy

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Tara - I am due a week from Sunday. Although you know I am trying not think

about it. I highly recommend boxing. I think I told you I signed up for a

class and last night was the first one. It was great, it takes your mind off

things and lets you get a lot of frustration out!

[Guest guest]

,

It's nice to hear that I am not the only one who handles things that way.

Sometimes, I would wonder if it was a problem that I can't actually TELL

these things. Now I know it is normal. He understands why I do it.

It really isn't that I can't tell him, but that I never get all of it out.

Only about half.

He read it when he got home. He told me he knew that what was bothering me

had something to do with Korea, but he wasn't really sure what it was. He

told me that he doesn't want to give up bc of that year he will be gone. He

doesn't mind missing the first months again. He said since he missed them

the first time, he won't know what he's missing out on. I guess he realizes

that it didn't hurt his and 's relationship, so it won't hurt it

with another baby. As far as the pregnancy goes, he says he knows I'll be

okay bc I'll be with my mom. And, if I get pg in Feb or Mar, he will

probably be home for the delivery anyway. (I know that can't be counted on.

But if his commander is understand, they'll let him come home for it anyway.)

So I guess even if it isn't the ideal situation, we have decided not to give

up. And I'm doing all that I can do with charting and clomid, so the rest is

in God's hands. If I am supposed to get pg, it will happen.

Well, sorry this got to be so long.

Amy

[Guest guest]

,

I have a green belt in karate. My whole family is big into it. We box and

work out often. I've been taking it easy, being kind of lazy. But nothing

beats a little sparring.

Tara

Re: ttc

Tara - I am due a week from Sunday. Although you know I am trying not

think

about it. I highly recommend boxing. I think I told you I signed up for a

class and last night was the first one. It was great, it takes your mind

off

things and lets you get a lot of frustration out!

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Pam,

I wish my dr monitored me closer. It just seems to be something with

using military drs. To them, you're just another patient with no real

distinct characteristics. Last time I talked to her, she said

something that led me to believe that she did not know my history. I

asked her if I found out I was pg right before going home, did I need

to cancel the trip to be monitored and she said that I would not need

monitoring. So I don't think she remembered about the ep at the time.

Yes, I have had 2 ep. The second one was due a month from today

actually. I want to pursue other options, but they are pretty strict

about how long you have to try one thing before moving on to another.

It's a huge pain. My neighbor went through the clomid and every other

possible test and drug they would give her before finding out that she

would never be able to conceive on her own. The were ready to send her

to the hospital where the specialists are, but she said it cost $4000

for the procedure. I know this is a good price, but it's still alot.

They do the procedure for free, but the meds are out of pocket and they

estimated hers would be $4000. If I had to, I would take out the loan

for it. It's that important to me. I would do it as many times as it

would take. But I'm left here waiting. When my dr finally returns my

call, I plan to ask her about at least beginning the fertility workup

since I have not had one yet. I just want to be sure that I'm not

wasting my time trying the impossible. Last night, I told DH I wonder

how much it would cost me to see a civilian specialist. My insurance

is so strict that they won't pay for the visits unless it can't be

treated by military drs. As far as the u/s goes to monitor what side

I'm ovulating from, they're really bad about those. They don't like to

do them for some reason. I plan to mention it to my dr, but I'm almost

positive of what the answer will be. So I guess I'm just screwed right

now. Well, hopefully, I won't have to worry about this much longer.

I'm just so ready for this all to be over.

Well, this got a little longer than I expected. sorry.

amy

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> Amy,

>

> Sometimes I have a temp drop and af starts. Sometimes it drops below

> cover line. No af. Then the next day it drops further and I get af.

> You should have the same number of high days. My dr closely monitors

me

> on the CLomid. I have to fax him my BBT at the end of the cycle. Do

> your dr's do this? Also I would speak w/your dr. You are only supposed

> to use Clomid for so many month. I spoke w/my dr about doing 3 rounds

> of CLomid and then deciding on the next step. You have two ep's right?

> Maybe you should do what some of the other girls do and have the u/s

> done to see what side you O from. Do you only have 1 good side? I know

> its really hard not to be down. So I can't help you there. I feel like

> that alot lately. I also feel the same that if I'm to upset or

> depressed I could hurt my baby if I was pg. Does your therapist help

> you with this? I was thinking of seeing mine,but I didn't know if it

> would help.

> Pam

>