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Well, it's all part of general knowledge and part of being a professional.

It's impossible to understand pharmacology unless you know the physiology

involved.

I don't want anybody cut loose with dangerous drugs who doesn't know how and

why they work, and what to do when things go wrong. I don't want anybody

working on me who doesn't know fundamental A & P.

You see, this is where we've gone wrong in the past. We've approached

emergency care as a " recipe driven " vocation. If you take welding, you'll

have to learn the theories involved with the process, but we insist that

medics don't have to know it.

I can't agree. The new curriculum doesn't cover A & P; thus, the requirement

that it be taken as a separate course.

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What do all you astute paramedics and emt-i's think about the

requirement to have take A/P before going on to a paramedic course?

Do you think it's really necessary? In the scope of your duties, do

consider how the structure of DNA affects a person in cardiac arrest

or how a the mitichondria affects someone or how a polysaccaride

effects a perons going into insulin " shock? " I can see where some of

it applies but for the most part, I do not. What do ya'll think?

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Learning about ATP and Krebs cycle may not necessarily make you a better

paramedic. However, it will make you a more knowledgeable one. And, when one

is more knowledgeable, one is apt to be better at his job. It is such a

shame that every person in EMS wants, craves, and desires higher salaries.

Yet, when faced with the daunting task of " learning " more, they say that it

is not necessary and will not be beneficial. To that, I say--- Horse shit!

Get your edjumacation. Learn what you need to learn to be the best you can

be and encourage your co-workers to do the same. The only way to elevate EMS

to a PROFESSION rather than a VOCATION is through education.

Lastly, I feel that A/P is important for paramedics because I would not want

a paramedic to be requested to start an IV in my antecubital vein and end up

poking me in my saphenous vein because he did not take A/P and learn that!

And besides, we are talking about A/P for healthcare providers. NOT quantum

physics or aeronautical engineering. Good luck on the A/P class. I hope, for

the sake of EMS, that you are FORCED to take it if you are going to be a

paramedic.

Regards,

Brad Woodall, R.N., ex-EMT-P

College level A/P

> What do all you astute paramedics and emt-i's think about the

> requirement to have take A/P before going on to a paramedic course?

> Do you think it's really necessary? In the scope of your duties, do

> consider how the structure of DNA affects a person in cardiac arrest

> or how a the mitichondria affects someone or how a polysaccaride

> effects a perons going into insulin " shock? " I can see where some of

> it applies but for the most part, I do not. What do ya'll think?

>

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Given the detail of the new paramedic curriculum, a college A & P course is a

very good idea.

BE Bledsoe, DO

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> What do all you astute paramedics and emt-i's think about the

> requirement to have take A/P before going on to a paramedic course?

> Do you think it's really necessary? In the scope of your duties, do

> consider how the structure of DNA affects a person in cardiac arrest

> or how a the mitichondria affects someone or how a polysaccaride

> effects a perons going into insulin " shock? " I can see where some of

> it applies but for the most part, I do not. What do ya'll think?

>

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I wasn't required to take A & P before my Paramedic class. Don't know if that hurt

me or not. My instructor taught us the basics we needed for the pharmacology we

learned in class. So it was A & P as needed for emergency medicine in a way. I

have recently completed my A & P 1 & 2 and I have to say this new knowledge hasn't

hurt me in the least and may have helped my understanding in paramedic class,

had it been a prerequisite.

Kacey

psfamily@... wrote:

What do all you astute paramedics and emt-i's think about the

requirement to have take A/P before going on to a paramedic course?

Do you think it's really necessary? In the scope of your duties, do

consider how the structure of DNA affects a person in cardiac arrest

or how a the mitichondria affects someone or how a polysaccaride

effects a perons going into insulin " shock? " I can see where some of

it applies but for the most part, I do not. What do ya'll think?

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To me a A & P course would be a good idea, as it will give you a better

understanding of the body structures and systems. I have even thought about

maybe auditing a gross human A & P class just for the extra knowledge.

WD

Re: College level A/P

>Given the detail of the new paramedic curriculum, a college A & P course is a

>very good idea.

>

>BE Bledsoe, DO

>

>psfamily@... wrote:

>

>> What do all you astute paramedics and emt-i's think about the

>> requirement to have take A/P before going on to a paramedic course?

>> Do you think it's really necessary? In the scope of your duties, do

>> consider how the structure of DNA affects a person in cardiac arrest

>> or how a the mitichondria affects someone or how a polysaccaride

>> effects a perons going into insulin " shock? " I can see where some of

>> it applies but for the most part, I do not. What do ya'll think?

>>

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Until I entered nursing school I thought that my understanding of A & P was

sufficient. I was very wrong. Obtaining my nursing license changed the way

that I think about and practice pre-hospital care. We are simply a first

step in a continuum of care, and what we do in the field can have a

significant impact on the long term management and outcome of our patients.

In order to positively influence long term outcomes we must learn and

understand far more about the human body than just where the organs are and

what the name of each long bone is.

If you are not convinced, then try to answer a couple of quick questions:

1. What is D.I.C. and what role does high volume fluid resuscitation

using crystalloid solutions have in its prevention or exacerbation?

2. What is ARDS and what role does the BVM play in its prevention or

exacerbation?

I have to echo some of the comments that other respondents have made....we

want to be considered as professionals, and want to be paid as

professionals, so we need to be educated as professionals.

Ed Strout, Educational Development Coordinator

Austin EMS

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College level A/P

What do all you astute paramedics and emt-i's think about the

requirement to have take A/P before going on to a paramedic course?

Do you think it's really necessary? In the scope of your duties, do

consider how the structure of DNA affects a person in cardiac arrest

or how a the mitichondria affects someone or how a polysaccaride

effects a perons going into insulin " shock? " I can see where some

of

it applies but for the most part, I do not. What do ya'll think?

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absolutely necessary. We complain as a " profession " that we

aren't paid enough, aren't respected as professionals, don't

get opportunities. This is because we are, and always will be,

only " technicians " , that learn direct, cookie-cutter responses

to specific situations. It's general professional knowledge

in a field that makes one valuable, and allows us the flexibility

to use what we've learned in other settings, ie., in ED, physician's

practice settings, other hospital departments, etc. If we know

exactly what we need to do exactly what we do in our exact prehospital

setting, we are unsuited to doing anything else in our professional

realm, because our body of knowledge is (1) too specific to what

we do right now (not what our profession can grow into, and (2)

to limited to allow us to use it as a base to grow into other

medical fields.

The argument against learning more than we PERCIEVE is absolutely

needed is the same thing high school students say ( " why do I

need to take english? What use will that ever be to me as a welder " ).

But that is only their perception, and most folks know that

in the real world these things are important, we just are looking

too narrowly at them. Same in EMS.

If we all know more about patients, the injuries and illnesses

that befall them, and effective treatments, even outside the

scope of current EMS practice, we'll advance ourselves and our

professions in ways we don't currently know of.

=Steve =

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>Date: 6/6/00 2:22:36 AM

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>What do all you astute paramedics and emt-i's think about the

>requirement to have take A/P before going on to a paramedic

course?

>Do you think it's really necessary? In the scope of your duties,

do

>consider how the structure of DNA affects a person in cardiac

arrest

>or how a the mitichondria affects someone or how a polysaccaride

>effects a perons going into insulin " shock? " I can see where

some of

>it applies but for the most part, I do not. What do ya'll think?

>

>

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In 1970 or 1971, the American Nurses Association issued a position

paper that stated the requirement for all RN's in this country to have

a Bachelor of Science in Nursing within ten years. While that obviously

has not happened, the paper was a first step toward raising the

professional, social and economic status of RN's. A & P for Paramedics

is one of those first steps toward the same revisions in EMS. We

have been teaching the prereq course in our department for a couple

of years now and I am amazed at the differences I see in Paramedic

knowledge as a result of that course. As Paramedics push onward

toward the professionalism that they seek and deserve this will

become a valuable tool. I encourage all Paramedics to take it,

whether required right now or not. .

RE: College level A/P

absolutely necessary. We complain as a " profession " that we

aren't paid enough, aren't respected as professionals, don't

get opportunities. This is because we are, and always will be,

only " technicians " , that learn direct, cookie-cutter responses

to specific situations. It's general professional knowledge

in a field that makes one valuable, and allows us the flexibility

to use what we've learned in other settings, ie., in ED, physician's

practice settings, other hospital departments, etc. If we know

exactly what we need to do exactly what we do in our exact prehospital

setting, we are unsuited to doing anything else in our professional

realm, because our body of knowledge is (1) too specific to what

we do right now (not what our profession can grow into, and (2)

to limited to allow us to use it as a base to grow into other

medical fields.

The argument against learning more than we PERCIEVE is absolutely

needed is the same thing high school students say ( " why do I

need to take english? What use will that ever be to me as a welder " ).

But that is only their perception, and most folks know that

in the real world these things are important, we just are looking

too narrowly at them. Same in EMS.

If we all know more about patients, the injuries and illnesses

that befall them, and effective treatments, even outside the

scope of current EMS practice, we'll advance ourselves and our

professions in ways we don't currently know of.

=Steve =

>--- Original Message ---

>From: psfamily@...

>To: egroups

>Date: 6/6/00 2:22:36 AM

>

>What do all you astute paramedics and emt-i's think about the

>requirement to have take A/P before going on to a paramedic

course?

>Do you think it's really necessary? In the scope of your duties,

do

>consider how the structure of DNA affects a person in cardiac

arrest

>or how a the mitichondria affects someone or how a polysaccaride

>effects a perons going into insulin " shock? " I can see where

some of

>it applies but for the most part, I do not. What do ya'll think?

>

>

>

>

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I want to thank everyone who responded to my question. There has been too

many replys to respond individually. I see the wisdom in what everyone is

saying, still doesn't change the fact - dang this is hard course, especially

taking it during the summer session (if you can help it - take it during the

normal school year!!). No one said the road to obtaining the coveted red

patch is going to be easy. Everyone is absolutely correct on wanting to

make this a profession, not a vocation or as one put it, the insults of all

insults, a cook book medic. Once again, thanks to all of you for squaring

me away!

- Re: College level A/P

Given the detail of the new paramedic curriculum, a college A & P course is a

very good idea.

BE Bledsoe, DO

psfamily@... wrote:

> What do all you astute paramedics and emt-i's think about the

> requirement to have take A/P before going on to a paramedic course?

> Do you think it's really necessary? In the scope of your duties, do

> consider how the structure of DNA affects a person in cardiac arrest

> or how a the mitichondria affects someone or how a polysaccaride

> effects a perons going into insulin " shock? " I can see where some of

> it applies but for the most part, I do not. What do ya'll think?

>

>

>

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I am going to take this answer to a VERY simple level. Mr. Gandy, Dr.

Bledsoe, the various RN's, and Paramedic instructors have given the most

eloquent (sp) of answers, so that is all that is left.

All EMT's should have A & P, Medical Terminology, and basic Chemistry (chem I,

whatever you call it). Why? So you don't sound like an idiot!

Actual run report:

Ambulance

" ...and removed patient from the closed garage in which the car was running.

The patient is unresponse, breathing 12x per minute, and has a 99% O2

sat...(non-pertinent/confidential information deleted)...We have an IV of NS

tko, and are giving O2 at 4 lpm with a nasal cannula...(more non-pertinent

information) "

recieving hospital:

" Why don't you have her on a NRM Medic __?! "

Ambulance:

" ...has a 99% O2 sat per pulse oximetry, our ETA is now 1 minute. "

Anyone want to guess how the conversation went when they walked through the

door? I would have LOVED to have been there to hear it.

Apparently this EMT-P slept through the CO portion of his Paramedic class.

A & P or Chemistry might (I say might) have prevented this.

Then there was the story of the guy who wound up in a sling/swath because he

was reported to have a 'broken calcanus' (sp) by the doc in a box.

I rest my case about not looking like a moron. And folks, I am a

professional at looking like a moron so I should know. =)

Webb, LP (or some such junk)

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I also took AP-1 in the summer and I do NOT advise it unless you have the

time to eat, breath and sleep it. There is so much material to learn in a

short amount of time. I had one of the hardest teachers at the local

community college. We had about a 50% drop out rate and I do believe it is

one of the most challenging things I've committed myself to accomplish--but

then I am somewhat " compulsive " and am not satisfied to just " get by " . I

really do want to KNOW it!!! But, it was worth it and I am proud to say I

made one of the three A's that summer.

It gives you a better " bird's eye view " and ability to communicate with

other medical professionals, especially doctors and to understand

professional journals and research more easily. It has also helped me in

dealing with illnesses and disease with my own family members and helping

them make more educated decisions about their care.

Melody Malouf

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<<- dang this is hard course, especially

taking it during the summer session (if you can help it - take it during the

normal school year!!). No one said the road to obtaining the coveted red

patch is going to be easy. Everyone is absolutely correct on wanting to

make this a profession, not a vocation. . . >>>

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I'm not sure that I agree with the Chem 1 part of this but the A & P I will

agree with.

As far as the 02 and CO2 mishap, I think maybe that person did sleep through

that part of the medic class where they talk about CO2 masking that of 02 in

this particular case. I always make a note to tell my students not to rely

on pulse ox reading when dealing with a CO2 incident because of this exact

problem you just pointed out.

We did learn that in my medic class, and that was way before A & P was every

thought about being added to the medic class.

Wayne--EMTP/EMSI/etc....

Re: College level A/P

>I am going to take this answer to a VERY simple level. Mr. Gandy, Dr.

>Bledsoe, the various RN's, and Paramedic instructors have given the most

>eloquent (sp) of answers, so that is all that is left.

>

>All EMT's should have A & P, Medical Terminology, and basic Chemistry (chem

I,

>whatever you call it). Why? So you don't sound like an idiot!

>

>Actual run report:

>Ambulance

> " ...and removed patient from the closed garage in which the car was

running.

>The patient is unresponse, breathing 12x per minute, and has a 99% O2

>sat...(non-pertinent/confidential information deleted)...We have an IV of

NS

>tko, and are giving O2 at 4 lpm with a nasal cannula...(more non-pertinent

>information) "

>

>recieving hospital:

> " Why don't you have her on a NRM Medic __?! "

>

>Ambulance:

> " ...has a 99% O2 sat per pulse oximetry, our ETA is now 1 minute. "

>

>Anyone want to guess how the conversation went when they walked through the

>door? I would have LOVED to have been there to hear it.

>

>Apparently this EMT-P slept through the CO portion of his Paramedic class.

>A & P or Chemistry might (I say might) have prevented this.

>

>Then there was the story of the guy who wound up in a sling/swath because

he

>was reported to have a 'broken calcanus' (sp) by the doc in a box.

>

>I rest my case about not looking like a moron. And folks, I am a

>professional at looking like a moron so I should know. =)

>

> Webb, LP (or some such junk)

>FLW EMS, MO

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Yes I do. As a paramedic you will be working at a much higher level than as

an EMT. To truly understand what is going on with a patient and to make

informed decisions, you have to understand how the body works in health or

disease to a much greater degree than EMTs do. After well over a decade as

an EMS instructor and after a quarter-century in EMS, I can say with a clear

conscience that requiring all paramedic candidates to first complete the

2-semester college A & P course is perfectly appropriate. There is no way the

EMS school can do as good a job of teaching this without duplicating the

curriculum (including dissection labs), so why reinvent the wheel. I

personally believe you cannot understand pathophysiology clearly enough or

appreciate the actions of the medications you carry on the body without

having this coursework under your belt. I'll grant you that some of the

details don't directly apply to every case we deal with, the DNA example for

instance. However, as the human body is a complex set of components and

reactions that work in synchronicity, so is it necessary to look as things

that may not apply directly to EMS daily in order to fully understand the

aspects of A & P that do.

Dave

College level A/P

> What do all you astute paramedics and emt-i's think about the

> requirement to have take A/P before going on to a paramedic course?

> Do you think it's really necessary? In the scope of your duties, do

> consider how the structure of DNA affects a person in cardiac arrest

> or how a the mitichondria affects someone or how a polysaccaride

> effects a perons going into insulin " shock? " I can see where some of

> it applies but for the most part, I do not. What do ya'll think?

>

>

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This is also a good reason why paramedics should be required to take formal

English courses; so they can communicate like an educated person instead of

like ny Weismeuller's version of Tarzan. " Patient have big cut. Medic

stick with big needle. "

Dave

Re: College level A/P

> I am going to take this answer to a VERY simple level. Mr. Gandy, Dr.

> Bledsoe, the various RN's, and Paramedic instructors have given the most

> eloquent (sp) of answers, so that is all that is left.

>

> All EMT's should have A & P, Medical Terminology, and basic Chemistry (chem

I,

> whatever you call it). Why? So you don't sound like an idiot!

>

> Actual run report:

> Ambulance

> " ...and removed patient from the closed garage in which the car was

running.

> The patient is unresponse, breathing 12x per minute, and has a 99% O2

> sat...(non-pertinent/confidential information deleted)...We have an IV of

NS

> tko, and are giving O2 at 4 lpm with a nasal cannula...(more non-pertinent

> information) "

>

> recieving hospital:

> " Why don't you have her on a NRM Medic __?! "

>

> Ambulance:

> " ...has a 99% O2 sat per pulse oximetry, our ETA is now 1 minute. "

>

> Anyone want to guess how the conversation went when they walked through

the

> door? I would have LOVED to have been there to hear it.

>

> Apparently this EMT-P slept through the CO portion of his Paramedic class.

> A & P or Chemistry might (I say might) have prevented this.

>

> Then there was the story of the guy who wound up in a sling/swath because

he

> was reported to have a 'broken calcanus' (sp) by the doc in a box.

>

> I rest my case about not looking like a moron. And folks, I am a

> professional at looking like a moron so I should know. =)

>

> Webb, LP (or some such junk)

> FLW EMS, MO

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Now you are being " funny " . English I don't agree with. It may have some

benefits, but not as much as A & P. I know that you are going to say it makes

them communicate better, yada, yada,..

But it also depends on the person.

WD

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>This is also a good reason why paramedics should be required to take formal

>English courses; so they can communicate like an educated person instead of

>like ny Weismeuller's version of Tarzan. " Patient have big cut. Medic

>stick with big needle. "

>

>Dave

> Re: College level A/P

>

>

>> I am going to take this answer to a VERY simple level. Mr. Gandy, Dr.

>> Bledsoe, the various RN's, and Paramedic instructors have given the most

>> eloquent (sp) of answers, so that is all that is left.

>>

>> All EMT's should have A & P, Medical Terminology, and basic Chemistry (chem

>I,

>> whatever you call it). Why? So you don't sound like an idiot!

>>

>> Actual run report:

>> Ambulance

>> " ...and removed patient from the closed garage in which the car was

>running.

>> The patient is unresponse, breathing 12x per minute, and has a 99% O2

>> sat...(non-pertinent/confidential information deleted)...We have an IV of

>NS

>> tko, and are giving O2 at 4 lpm with a nasal cannula...(more

non-pertinent

>> information) "

>>

>> recieving hospital:

>> " Why don't you have her on a NRM Medic __?! "

>>

>> Ambulance:

>> " ...has a 99% O2 sat per pulse oximetry, our ETA is now 1 minute. "

>>

>> Anyone want to guess how the conversation went when they walked through

>the

>> door? I would have LOVED to have been there to hear it.

>>

>> Apparently this EMT-P slept through the CO portion of his Paramedic

class.

>> A & P or Chemistry might (I say might) have prevented this.

>>

>> Then there was the story of the guy who wound up in a sling/swath because

>he

>> was reported to have a 'broken calcanus' (sp) by the doc in a box.

>>

>> I rest my case about not looking like a moron. And folks, I am a

>> professional at looking like a moron so I should know. =)

>>

>> Webb, LP (or some such junk)

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I think English is a good subject and agree that it is not as good as A & P.

If you do not want English per say may I suggest that a Medical Report

Writing Classes of some sorts be given. I have new paramedics, that work

under me, that can not write a report. They tell me its because they are

not trained to do documentation of any sort in school?? I find that very

odd seeing as when i went to school documentation was something that was

driven in to our class. Am I missing something here??

Randy, EMTP

emt@...

Re: College level A/P

> >

> >

> >> I am going to take this answer to a VERY simple level. Mr. Gandy, Dr.

> >> Bledsoe, the various RN's, and Paramedic instructors have given the

most

> >> eloquent (sp) of answers, so that is all that is left.

> >>

> >> All EMT's should have A & P, Medical Terminology, and basic Chemistry

(chem

> >I,

> >> whatever you call it). Why? So you don't sound like an idiot!

> >>

> >> Actual run report:

> >> Ambulance

> >> " ...and removed patient from the closed garage in which the car was

> >running.

> >> The patient is unresponse, breathing 12x per minute, and has a 99% O2

> >> sat...(non-pertinent/confidential information deleted)...We have an IV

of

> >NS

> >> tko, and are giving O2 at 4 lpm with a nasal cannula...(more

> non-pertinent

> >> information) "

> >>

> >> recieving hospital:

> >> " Why don't you have her on a NRM Medic __?! "

> >>

> >> Ambulance:

> >> " ...has a 99% O2 sat per pulse oximetry, our ETA is now 1 minute. "

> >>

> >> Anyone want to guess how the conversation went when they walked through

> >the

> >> door? I would have LOVED to have been there to hear it.

> >>

> >> Apparently this EMT-P slept through the CO portion of his Paramedic

> class.

> >> A & P or Chemistry might (I say might) have prevented this.

> >>

> >> Then there was the story of the guy who wound up in a sling/swath

because

> >he

> >> was reported to have a 'broken calcanus' (sp) by the doc in a box.

> >>

> >> I rest my case about not looking like a moron. And folks, I am a

> >> professional at looking like a moron so I should know. =)

> >>

> >> Webb, LP (or some such junk)

> >> FLW EMS, MO

> >>

________________________________________________________________________

> >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at

http://www.hotmail.com

> >>

> >>

>

>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Doc....

report writing is taught in almost every ems curriculum I'm aware of, but

some just teach it write a couple of reports and that's it...some schools don't

hammer it like others...where I went to school at you had a few scenarios at the

end of every test and all of these had to be answered in the CHARTE

method...many schools also teach the SOAP and with the same stringenties....but

I know at GCC if you were not able to document properly your patient report you

failed the course....I feel english is important because it does help with the

grammar proper sentence structure, etc.....and believe me, I have heard both

nurses and doctors talk about some paramedics inability to write a proper

report, as well as, their grammar being so grossly wrong that their report was

not taken seriously....there are times I even fit in this category, but I

attempt to listen and take heed to advise that my fellow medical professionals

give me, and I'm also enrolling in a long-distance education english course

while working towards my degree in Cardiovascular Technology. There is no

excuse for poor report writing because there is always a way to improve yourself

in this manner....I highly recommend it..... " what doesn't kill you only makes

you stronger " (or smarter)..

my two bits,

Jim, EMT-I

Randy \ " Doc\ " Dees wrote:

> I think English is a good subject and agree that it is not as good as A & P.

> If you do not want English per say may I suggest that a Medical Report

> Writing Classes of some sorts be given. I have new paramedics, that work

> under me, that can not write a report. They tell me its because they are

> not trained to do documentation of any sort in school?? I find that very

> odd seeing as when i went to school documentation was something that was

> driven in to our class. Am I missing something here??

>

> Randy, EMTP

> emt@...

>

> Re: College level A/P

> > >

> > >

> > >> I am going to take this answer to a VERY simple level. Mr. Gandy, Dr.

> > >> Bledsoe, the various RN's, and Paramedic instructors have given the

> most

> > >> eloquent (sp) of answers, so that is all that is left.

> > >>

> > >> All EMT's should have A & P, Medical Terminology, and basic Chemistry

> (chem

> > >I,

> > >> whatever you call it). Why? So you don't sound like an idiot!

> > >>

> > >> Actual run report:

> > >> Ambulance

> > >> " ...and removed patient from the closed garage in which the car was

> > >running.

> > >> The patient is unresponse, breathing 12x per minute, and has a 99% O2

> > >> sat...(non-pertinent/confidential information deleted)...We have an IV

> of

> > >NS

> > >> tko, and are giving O2 at 4 lpm with a nasal cannula...(more

> > non-pertinent

> > >> information) "

> > >>

> > >> recieving hospital:

> > >> " Why don't you have her on a NRM Medic __?! "

> > >>

> > >> Ambulance:

> > >> " ...has a 99% O2 sat per pulse oximetry, our ETA is now 1 minute. "

> > >>

> > >> Anyone want to guess how the conversation went when they walked through

> > >the

> > >> door? I would have LOVED to have been there to hear it.

> > >>

> > >> Apparently this EMT-P slept through the CO portion of his Paramedic

> > class.

> > >> A & P or Chemistry might (I say might) have prevented this.

> > >>

> > >> Then there was the story of the guy who wound up in a sling/swath

> because

> > >he

> > >> was reported to have a 'broken calcanus' (sp) by the doc in a box.

> > >>

> > >> I rest my case about not looking like a moron. And folks, I am a

> > >> professional at looking like a moron so I should know. =)

> > >>

> > >> Webb, LP (or some such junk)

> > >> FLW EMS, MO

> > >>

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> http://www.hotmail.com

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Randy,

I have to agree, I find it odd that documentation was not taught in their

EMS classes. It was taught in all of mine and I teach it in all of my

classes as it is very important that they know how to document and write run

reports. A report writing class would be a good thing instead of an English

course.

WD

Re: College level A/P

>I think English is a good subject and agree that it is not as good as A & P.

>If you do not want English per say may I suggest that a Medical Report

>Writing Classes of some sorts be given. I have new paramedics, that work

>under me, that can not write a report. They tell me its because they are

>not trained to do documentation of any sort in school?? I find that very

>odd seeing as when i went to school documentation was something that was

>driven in to our class. Am I missing something here??

>

>Randy, EMTP

>emt@...

>

>

> Re: College level A/P

>> >

>> >

>> >> I am going to take this answer to a VERY simple level. Mr. Gandy, Dr.

>> >> Bledsoe, the various RN's, and Paramedic instructors have given the

>most

>> >> eloquent (sp) of answers, so that is all that is left.

>> >>

>> >> All EMT's should have A & P, Medical Terminology, and basic Chemistry

>(chem

>> >I,

>> >> whatever you call it). Why? So you don't sound like an idiot!

>> >>

>> >> Actual run report:

>> >> Ambulance

>> >> " ...and removed patient from the closed garage in which the car was

>> >running.

>> >> The patient is unresponse, breathing 12x per minute, and has a 99% O2

>> >> sat...(non-pertinent/confidential information deleted)...We have an IV

>of

>> >NS

>> >> tko, and are giving O2 at 4 lpm with a nasal cannula...(more

>> non-pertinent

>> >> information) "

>> >>

>> >> recieving hospital:

>> >> " Why don't you have her on a NRM Medic __?! "

>> >>

>> >> Ambulance:

>> >> " ...has a 99% O2 sat per pulse oximetry, our ETA is now 1 minute. "

>> >>

>> >> Anyone want to guess how the conversation went when they walked

through

>> >the

>> >> door? I would have LOVED to have been there to hear it.

>> >>

>> >> Apparently this EMT-P slept through the CO portion of his Paramedic

>> class.

>> >> A & P or Chemistry might (I say might) have prevented this.

>> >>

>> >> Then there was the story of the guy who wound up in a sling/swath

>because

>> >he

>> >> was reported to have a 'broken calcanus' (sp) by the doc in a box.

>> >>

>> >> I rest my case about not looking like a moron. And folks, I am a

>> >> professional at looking like a moron so I should know. =)

>> >>

>> >> Webb, LP (or some such junk)

>> >> FLW EMS, MO

>> >>

>________________________________________________________________________

>> >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at

>http://www.hotmail.com

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>> >>

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All,

I agree with Dave about the English courses. A & P is very good, and I have

seen not necessarily an improvement is students per se, as much as the

students having an easier time in advanced level training when they have had

A & P. As an instructor both with the fire department in house program, but

also at the community college program here, I have been teaching some of the

more advanced " advanced " level concepts, i.e., what is going on at the

cellular level in shock, diabetes, etc, and immune system responses, even

before these things were put into the new curriculum. The students that had

A & P always did better in this scenerio. For the ones who did not have it, the

concept would go out, and then we would end up spending very valuable class

time,(that was in short supply), to not even remediate, but to teach these

students what amounted to " paramedic A & P " after which they had an easier time

understanding, because now, they too, had a better concept of what was going

on inside the body at the cellular level. So, yes, I feel strongly that the

A & P should be a pre- or co-requisite to paramedic level training.

I think English would be a good thing too, just to put EMS in a better

light. I also believe that most folks could stand to take a remedial fourth

grade level spelling class too. I have said for many years (with tongue in

cheek, to be sure) that " it is not necessarily what you do, but how you look

while you are doing it " , because, unfortunately, first impressions DO matter.

It is awfully hard to " look professional " on the witness stand, (especially

if you are defending yourself in a lawsuit) when every fourth or fifth word

on the run sheet is spelled incorrectly. People will naturally wonder if your

patient care is as bad as your spelling. Past students of mine have told me

" I have been a poor speller all my life " , as if 1) that is just the way it is

and I as an instructor must just accept it, and 2) I can't improve myself

because of whatever reason. My reply to that would be, can't improve or

won't? If we want the doctors and nurses to converse with us as peers, and

want our city councils and county boards to give us more pay, we have to show

them we are educated professionals that cannot easily be replaced, not

glorified " ambulance drivers " who are a dime a dozen at any temporary worker

outlet.

Chris

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Actually, Wayne, I kinda WAS trying to be funny, ala tongue-in-cheek.

However, you must agree that a lot of our colleagues give an impression of

pure illiteracy when you read their charts. The bad spelling and rotten

grammar is unfortunately grist for the mills of those who oppose the idea of

paramedics as medical professionals. Appearance isn't everything, but it

surely is something!

Dave

Re: College level A/P

> >

> >

> >> I am going to take this answer to a VERY simple level. Mr. Gandy, Dr.

> >> Bledsoe, the various RN's, and Paramedic instructors have given the

most

> >> eloquent (sp) of answers, so that is all that is left.

> >>

> >> All EMT's should have A & P, Medical Terminology, and basic Chemistry

(chem

> >I,

> >> whatever you call it). Why? So you don't sound like an idiot!

> >>

> >> Actual run report:

> >> Ambulance

> >> " ...and removed patient from the closed garage in which the car was

> >running.

> >> The patient is unresponse, breathing 12x per minute, and has a 99% O2

> >> sat...(non-pertinent/confidential information deleted)...We have an IV

of

> >NS

> >> tko, and are giving O2 at 4 lpm with a nasal cannula...(more

> non-pertinent

> >> information) "

> >>

> >> recieving hospital:

> >> " Why don't you have her on a NRM Medic __?! "

> >>

> >> Ambulance:

> >> " ...has a 99% O2 sat per pulse oximetry, our ETA is now 1 minute. "

> >>

> >> Anyone want to guess how the conversation went when they walked through

> >the

> >> door? I would have LOVED to have been there to hear it.

> >>

> >> Apparently this EMT-P slept through the CO portion of his Paramedic

> class.

> >> A & P or Chemistry might (I say might) have prevented this.

> >>

> >> Then there was the story of the guy who wound up in a sling/swath

because

> >he

> >> was reported to have a 'broken calcanus' (sp) by the doc in a box.

> >>

> >> I rest my case about not looking like a moron. And folks, I am a

> >> professional at looking like a moron so I should know. =)

> >>

> >> Webb, LP (or some such junk)

> >> FLW EMS, MO

> >>

________________________________________________________________________

> >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at

http://www.hotmail.com

> >>

> >>

>

>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Dave,

Yes I know that you were trying to be funny, but I do realize that there are

EMTS and medics out there that would write a runsheet just that way. But

you also have to remember that EMTs and medics are not the only ones that

may write like that also. Ever read some doctors notes. Nothing against

them, but I have some funnies that were taken from actual charts.

WD

Re: College level A/P

>Actually, Wayne, I kinda WAS trying to be funny, ala tongue-in-cheek.

>However, you must agree that a lot of our colleagues give an impression of

>pure illiteracy when you read their charts. The bad spelling and rotten

>grammar is unfortunately grist for the mills of those who oppose the idea

of

>paramedics as medical professionals. Appearance isn't everything, but it

>surely is something!

>

>Dave

> Re: College level A/P

>> >

>> >

>> >> I am going to take this answer to a VERY simple level. Mr. Gandy, Dr.

>> >> Bledsoe, the various RN's, and Paramedic instructors have given the

>most

>> >> eloquent (sp) of answers, so that is all that is left.

>> >>

>> >> All EMT's should have A & P, Medical Terminology, and basic Chemistry

>(chem

>> >I,

>> >> whatever you call it). Why? So you don't sound like an idiot!

>> >>

>> >> Actual run report:

>> >> Ambulance

>> >> " ...and removed patient from the closed garage in which the car was

>> >running.

>> >> The patient is unresponse, breathing 12x per minute, and has a 99% O2

>> >> sat...(non-pertinent/confidential information deleted)...We have an IV

>of

>> >NS

>> >> tko, and are giving O2 at 4 lpm with a nasal cannula...(more

>> non-pertinent

>> >> information) "

>> >>

>> >> recieving hospital:

>> >> " Why don't you have her on a NRM Medic __?! "

>> >>

>> >> Ambulance:

>> >> " ...has a 99% O2 sat per pulse oximetry, our ETA is now 1 minute. "

>> >>

>> >> Anyone want to guess how the conversation went when they walked

through

>> >the

>> >> door? I would have LOVED to have been there to hear it.

>> >>

>> >> Apparently this EMT-P slept through the CO portion of his Paramedic

>> class.

>> >> A & P or Chemistry might (I say might) have prevented this.

>> >>

>> >> Then there was the story of the guy who wound up in a sling/swath

>because

>> >he

>> >> was reported to have a 'broken calcanus' (sp) by the doc in a box.

>> >>

>> >> I rest my case about not looking like a moron. And folks, I am a

>> >> professional at looking like a moron so I should know. =)

>> >>

>> >> Webb, LP (or some such junk)

>> >> FLW EMS, MO

>> >>

>________________________________________________________________________

>> >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at

>http://www.hotmail.com

>> >>

>> >>

>>

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>> >> Long Distance calls when you join beMANY!

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Wayne

You're totally right, of course. As a matter of fact some of the wildest

grammatical and spelling errors I've ever seen came from legal briefs or

court proceedings written by lawyers. Our company attorney, who is kinda

anal-retentive about this issue, regularly clips a column showcasings some

of these dillies out of the state legal magazine and posts it on the board

in our break room. There are some side-splitting whoppers. I have to admit

the problem is not limited to EMS personnel. However, I have to agree with

Grote 100% that, just because the problem is very common, doesn't mean

we have to accept it or tolerate it. It's kind of like cancer. We have to

fight it every time in shows up. We also need to take prophylactic measures

like requiring EMS personnel to have a little better general education (our

people still don't even have to have a high school diploma or GED!)

Dave

Re: College level A/P

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >> I am going to take this answer to a VERY simple level. Mr. Gandy,

Dr.

> >> >> Bledsoe, the various RN's, and Paramedic instructors have given the

> >most

> >> >> eloquent (sp) of answers, so that is all that is left.

> >> >>

> >> >> All EMT's should have A & P, Medical Terminology, and basic Chemistry

> >(chem

> >> >I,

> >> >> whatever you call it). Why? So you don't sound like an idiot!

> >> >>

> >> >> Actual run report:

> >> >> Ambulance

> >> >> " ...and removed patient from the closed garage in which the car was

> >> >running.

> >> >> The patient is unresponse, breathing 12x per minute, and has a 99%

O2

> >> >> sat...(non-pertinent/confidential information deleted)...We have an

IV

> >of

> >> >NS

> >> >> tko, and are giving O2 at 4 lpm with a nasal cannula...(more

> >> non-pertinent

> >> >> information) "

> >> >>

> >> >> recieving hospital:

> >> >> " Why don't you have her on a NRM Medic __?! "

> >> >>

> >> >> Ambulance:

> >> >> " ...has a 99% O2 sat per pulse oximetry, our ETA is now 1 minute. "

> >> >>

> >> >> Anyone want to guess how the conversation went when they walked

> through

> >> >the

> >> >> door? I would have LOVED to have been there to hear it.

> >> >>

> >> >> Apparently this EMT-P slept through the CO portion of his Paramedic

> >> class.

> >> >> A & P or Chemistry might (I say might) have prevented this.

> >> >>

> >> >> Then there was the story of the guy who wound up in a sling/swath

> >because

> >> >he

> >> >> was reported to have a 'broken calcanus' (sp) by the doc in a box.

> >> >>

> >> >> I rest my case about not looking like a moron. And folks, I am a

> >> >> professional at looking like a moron so I should know. =)

> >> >>

> >> >> Webb, LP (or some such junk)

> >> >> FLW EMS, MO

> >> >>

> >________________________________________________________________________

> >> >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at

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> >> >>

> >>

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Dave,

Thanks! I'm kinda seeing the error of my mis-informed thinking. I can

almost see how the class will make me a better medic (especially in the

military, the anatomy classes are even more lacking than civilian emt-b.

Little to know pictures, slides or frames of reference. Maybe a couple of

black and whites!!) The day I wrote that note was a rough class day, so I

kinda opened my mouth before engaging my brain. It is getting better and I

can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I can truly understand that if

we want to be considered professionals, we need to have the education that

goes with it, just like any other health profession. Thanks again!

- Re: College level A/P

Pat:

Yes I do. As a paramedic you will be working at a much higher level than as

an EMT. To truly understand what is going on with a patient and to make

informed decisions, you have to understand how the body works in health or

disease to a much greater degree than EMTs do. After well over a decade as

an EMS instructor and after a quarter-century in EMS, I can say with a clear

conscience that requiring all paramedic candidates to first complete the

2-semester college A & P course is perfectly appropriate. There is no way the

EMS school can do as good a job of teaching this without duplicating the

curriculum (including dissection labs), so why reinvent the wheel. I

personally believe you cannot understand pathophysiology clearly enough or

appreciate the actions of the medications you carry on the body without

having this coursework under your belt. I'll grant you that some of the

details don't directly apply to every case we deal with, the DNA example for

instance. However, as the human body is a complex set of components and

reactions that work in synchronicity, so is it necessary to look as things

that may not apply directly to EMS daily in order to fully understand the

aspects of A & P that do.

Dave

College level A/P

> What do all you astute paramedics and emt-i's think about the

> requirement to have take A/P before going on to a paramedic course?

> Do you think it's really necessary? In the scope of your duties, do

> consider how the structure of DNA affects a person in cardiac arrest

> or how a the mitichondria affects someone or how a polysaccaride

> effects a perons going into insulin " shock? " I can see where some of

> it applies but for the most part, I do not. What do ya'll think?

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