Guest guest Posted June 5, 2000 Report Share Posted June 5, 2000 Well, it's all part of general knowledge and part of being a professional. It's impossible to understand pharmacology unless you know the physiology involved. I don't want anybody cut loose with dangerous drugs who doesn't know how and why they work, and what to do when things go wrong. I don't want anybody working on me who doesn't know fundamental A & P. You see, this is where we've gone wrong in the past. We've approached emergency care as a " recipe driven " vocation. If you take welding, you'll have to learn the theories involved with the process, but we insist that medics don't have to know it. I can't agree. The new curriculum doesn't cover A & P; thus, the requirement that it be taken as a separate course. Gene Gandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2000 Report Share Posted June 5, 2000 What do all you astute paramedics and emt-i's think about the requirement to have take A/P before going on to a paramedic course? Do you think it's really necessary? In the scope of your duties, do consider how the structure of DNA affects a person in cardiac arrest or how a the mitichondria affects someone or how a polysaccaride effects a perons going into insulin " shock? " I can see where some of it applies but for the most part, I do not. What do ya'll think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2000 Report Share Posted June 5, 2000 -- Learning about ATP and Krebs cycle may not necessarily make you a better paramedic. However, it will make you a more knowledgeable one. And, when one is more knowledgeable, one is apt to be better at his job. It is such a shame that every person in EMS wants, craves, and desires higher salaries. Yet, when faced with the daunting task of " learning " more, they say that it is not necessary and will not be beneficial. To that, I say--- Horse shit! Get your edjumacation. Learn what you need to learn to be the best you can be and encourage your co-workers to do the same. The only way to elevate EMS to a PROFESSION rather than a VOCATION is through education. Lastly, I feel that A/P is important for paramedics because I would not want a paramedic to be requested to start an IV in my antecubital vein and end up poking me in my saphenous vein because he did not take A/P and learn that! And besides, we are talking about A/P for healthcare providers. NOT quantum physics or aeronautical engineering. Good luck on the A/P class. I hope, for the sake of EMS, that you are FORCED to take it if you are going to be a paramedic. Regards, Brad Woodall, R.N., ex-EMT-P College level A/P > What do all you astute paramedics and emt-i's think about the > requirement to have take A/P before going on to a paramedic course? > Do you think it's really necessary? In the scope of your duties, do > consider how the structure of DNA affects a person in cardiac arrest > or how a the mitichondria affects someone or how a polysaccaride > effects a perons going into insulin " shock? " I can see where some of > it applies but for the most part, I do not. What do ya'll think? > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Would you like to save big on your phone bill -- and keep on saving > more each month? Join beMANY! Our huge buying group gives you Long Distance > rates which fall monthly, plus an extra $60 in FREE calls! > http://click./1/2567/7/_/4981/_/960258166/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2000 Report Share Posted June 5, 2000 Given the detail of the new paramedic curriculum, a college A & P course is a very good idea. BE Bledsoe, DO psfamily@... wrote: > What do all you astute paramedics and emt-i's think about the > requirement to have take A/P before going on to a paramedic course? > Do you think it's really necessary? In the scope of your duties, do > consider how the structure of DNA affects a person in cardiac arrest > or how a the mitichondria affects someone or how a polysaccaride > effects a perons going into insulin " shock? " I can see where some of > it applies but for the most part, I do not. What do ya'll think? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Would you like to save big on your phone bill -- and keep on saving > more each month? Join beMANY! Our huge buying group gives you Long Distance > rates which fall monthly, plus an extra $60 in FREE calls! > http://click./1/2567/7/_/4981/_/960258166/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2000 Report Share Posted June 5, 2000 I wasn't required to take A & P before my Paramedic class. Don't know if that hurt me or not. My instructor taught us the basics we needed for the pharmacology we learned in class. So it was A & P as needed for emergency medicine in a way. I have recently completed my A & P 1 & 2 and I have to say this new knowledge hasn't hurt me in the least and may have helped my understanding in paramedic class, had it been a prerequisite. Kacey psfamily@... wrote: What do all you astute paramedics and emt-i's think about the requirement to have take A/P before going on to a paramedic course? Do you think it's really necessary? In the scope of your duties, do consider how the structure of DNA affects a person in cardiac arrest or how a the mitichondria affects someone or how a polysaccaride effects a perons going into insulin " shock? " I can see where some of it applies but for the most part, I do not. What do ya'll think? --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2000 Report Share Posted June 5, 2000 To me a A & P course would be a good idea, as it will give you a better understanding of the body structures and systems. I have even thought about maybe auditing a gross human A & P class just for the extra knowledge. WD Re: College level A/P >Given the detail of the new paramedic curriculum, a college A & P course is a >very good idea. > >BE Bledsoe, DO > >psfamily@... wrote: > >> What do all you astute paramedics and emt-i's think about the >> requirement to have take A/P before going on to a paramedic course? >> Do you think it's really necessary? In the scope of your duties, do >> consider how the structure of DNA affects a person in cardiac arrest >> or how a the mitichondria affects someone or how a polysaccaride >> effects a perons going into insulin " shock? " I can see where some of >> it applies but for the most part, I do not. What do ya'll think? >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Would you like to save big on your phone bill -- and keep on saving >> more each month? Join beMANY! Our huge buying group gives you Long Distance >> rates which fall monthly, plus an extra $60 in FREE calls! >> http://click./1/2567/7/_/4981/_/960258166/ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Paying too much for Long Distance should be ILLEGAL! $60 in FREE >Long Distance calls when you join beMANY! >http://click./1/4169/7/_/4981/_/960266654/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2000 Report Share Posted June 6, 2000 Until I entered nursing school I thought that my understanding of A & P was sufficient. I was very wrong. Obtaining my nursing license changed the way that I think about and practice pre-hospital care. We are simply a first step in a continuum of care, and what we do in the field can have a significant impact on the long term management and outcome of our patients. In order to positively influence long term outcomes we must learn and understand far more about the human body than just where the organs are and what the name of each long bone is. If you are not convinced, then try to answer a couple of quick questions: 1. What is D.I.C. and what role does high volume fluid resuscitation using crystalloid solutions have in its prevention or exacerbation? 2. What is ARDS and what role does the BVM play in its prevention or exacerbation? I have to echo some of the comments that other respondents have made....we want to be considered as professionals, and want to be paid as professionals, so we need to be educated as professionals. Ed Strout, Educational Development Coordinator Austin EMS Ofc. Pgr. College level A/P What do all you astute paramedics and emt-i's think about the requirement to have take A/P before going on to a paramedic course? Do you think it's really necessary? In the scope of your duties, do consider how the structure of DNA affects a person in cardiac arrest or how a the mitichondria affects someone or how a polysaccaride effects a perons going into insulin " shock? " I can see where some of it applies but for the most part, I do not. What do ya'll think? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Would you like to save big on your phone bill -- and keep on saving more each month? Join beMANY! Our huge buying group gives you Long Distance rates which fall monthly, plus an extra $60 in FREE calls! http://click./1/2567/7/_/4981/_/960258166/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2000 Report Share Posted June 6, 2000 absolutely necessary. We complain as a " profession " that we aren't paid enough, aren't respected as professionals, don't get opportunities. This is because we are, and always will be, only " technicians " , that learn direct, cookie-cutter responses to specific situations. It's general professional knowledge in a field that makes one valuable, and allows us the flexibility to use what we've learned in other settings, ie., in ED, physician's practice settings, other hospital departments, etc. If we know exactly what we need to do exactly what we do in our exact prehospital setting, we are unsuited to doing anything else in our professional realm, because our body of knowledge is (1) too specific to what we do right now (not what our profession can grow into, and (2) to limited to allow us to use it as a base to grow into other medical fields. The argument against learning more than we PERCIEVE is absolutely needed is the same thing high school students say ( " why do I need to take english? What use will that ever be to me as a welder " ). But that is only their perception, and most folks know that in the real world these things are important, we just are looking too narrowly at them. Same in EMS. If we all know more about patients, the injuries and illnesses that befall them, and effective treatments, even outside the scope of current EMS practice, we'll advance ourselves and our professions in ways we don't currently know of. =Steve = >--- Original Message --- >From: psfamily@... >To: egroups >Date: 6/6/00 2:22:36 AM > >What do all you astute paramedics and emt-i's think about the >requirement to have take A/P before going on to a paramedic course? >Do you think it's really necessary? In the scope of your duties, do >consider how the structure of DNA affects a person in cardiac arrest >or how a the mitichondria affects someone or how a polysaccaride >effects a perons going into insulin " shock? " I can see where some of >it applies but for the most part, I do not. What do ya'll think? > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Would you like to save big on your phone bill -- and keep on saving >more each month? Join beMANY! Our huge buying group gives you Long Distance >rates which fall monthly, plus an extra $60 in FREE calls! >http://click./1/2567/7/_/4981/_/960258166/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ---------------- Sent from a WebBox - http://www.webbox.com FREE Web based Email, Files, Bookmarks, Calendar, People and Great Ways to Share them with Others! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2000 Report Share Posted June 6, 2000 In 1970 or 1971, the American Nurses Association issued a position paper that stated the requirement for all RN's in this country to have a Bachelor of Science in Nursing within ten years. While that obviously has not happened, the paper was a first step toward raising the professional, social and economic status of RN's. A & P for Paramedics is one of those first steps toward the same revisions in EMS. We have been teaching the prereq course in our department for a couple of years now and I am amazed at the differences I see in Paramedic knowledge as a result of that course. As Paramedics push onward toward the professionalism that they seek and deserve this will become a valuable tool. I encourage all Paramedics to take it, whether required right now or not. . RE: College level A/P absolutely necessary. We complain as a " profession " that we aren't paid enough, aren't respected as professionals, don't get opportunities. This is because we are, and always will be, only " technicians " , that learn direct, cookie-cutter responses to specific situations. It's general professional knowledge in a field that makes one valuable, and allows us the flexibility to use what we've learned in other settings, ie., in ED, physician's practice settings, other hospital departments, etc. If we know exactly what we need to do exactly what we do in our exact prehospital setting, we are unsuited to doing anything else in our professional realm, because our body of knowledge is (1) too specific to what we do right now (not what our profession can grow into, and (2) to limited to allow us to use it as a base to grow into other medical fields. The argument against learning more than we PERCIEVE is absolutely needed is the same thing high school students say ( " why do I need to take english? What use will that ever be to me as a welder " ). But that is only their perception, and most folks know that in the real world these things are important, we just are looking too narrowly at them. Same in EMS. If we all know more about patients, the injuries and illnesses that befall them, and effective treatments, even outside the scope of current EMS practice, we'll advance ourselves and our professions in ways we don't currently know of. =Steve = >--- Original Message --- >From: psfamily@... >To: egroups >Date: 6/6/00 2:22:36 AM > >What do all you astute paramedics and emt-i's think about the >requirement to have take A/P before going on to a paramedic course? >Do you think it's really necessary? In the scope of your duties, do >consider how the structure of DNA affects a person in cardiac arrest >or how a the mitichondria affects someone or how a polysaccaride >effects a perons going into insulin " shock? " I can see where some of >it applies but for the most part, I do not. What do ya'll think? > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Would you like to save big on your phone bill -- and keep on saving >more each month? Join beMANY! Our huge buying group gives you Long Distance >rates which fall monthly, plus an extra $60 in FREE calls! >http://click./1/2567/7/_/4981/_/960258166/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ---------------- Sent from a WebBox - http://www.webbox.com FREE Web based Email, Files, Bookmarks, Calendar, People and Great Ways to Share them with Others! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Old school buds here: http://click./1/4057/7/_/4981/_/960302706/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2000 Report Share Posted June 6, 2000 I want to thank everyone who responded to my question. There has been too many replys to respond individually. I see the wisdom in what everyone is saying, still doesn't change the fact - dang this is hard course, especially taking it during the summer session (if you can help it - take it during the normal school year!!). No one said the road to obtaining the coveted red patch is going to be easy. Everyone is absolutely correct on wanting to make this a profession, not a vocation or as one put it, the insults of all insults, a cook book medic. Once again, thanks to all of you for squaring me away! - Re: College level A/P Given the detail of the new paramedic curriculum, a college A & P course is a very good idea. BE Bledsoe, DO psfamily@... wrote: > What do all you astute paramedics and emt-i's think about the > requirement to have take A/P before going on to a paramedic course? > Do you think it's really necessary? In the scope of your duties, do > consider how the structure of DNA affects a person in cardiac arrest > or how a the mitichondria affects someone or how a polysaccaride > effects a perons going into insulin " shock? " I can see where some of > it applies but for the most part, I do not. What do ya'll think? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Would you like to save big on your phone bill -- and keep on saving > more each month? Join beMANY! Our huge buying group gives you Long Distance > rates which fall monthly, plus an extra $60 in FREE calls! > http://click./1/2567/7/_/4981/_/960258166/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------- ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2000 Report Share Posted June 6, 2000 I am going to take this answer to a VERY simple level. Mr. Gandy, Dr. Bledsoe, the various RN's, and Paramedic instructors have given the most eloquent (sp) of answers, so that is all that is left. All EMT's should have A & P, Medical Terminology, and basic Chemistry (chem I, whatever you call it). Why? So you don't sound like an idiot! Actual run report: Ambulance " ...and removed patient from the closed garage in which the car was running. The patient is unresponse, breathing 12x per minute, and has a 99% O2 sat...(non-pertinent/confidential information deleted)...We have an IV of NS tko, and are giving O2 at 4 lpm with a nasal cannula...(more non-pertinent information) " recieving hospital: " Why don't you have her on a NRM Medic __?! " Ambulance: " ...has a 99% O2 sat per pulse oximetry, our ETA is now 1 minute. " Anyone want to guess how the conversation went when they walked through the door? I would have LOVED to have been there to hear it. Apparently this EMT-P slept through the CO portion of his Paramedic class. A & P or Chemistry might (I say might) have prevented this. Then there was the story of the guy who wound up in a sling/swath because he was reported to have a 'broken calcanus' (sp) by the doc in a box. I rest my case about not looking like a moron. And folks, I am a professional at looking like a moron so I should know. =) Webb, LP (or some such junk) FLW EMS, MO ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2000 Report Share Posted June 6, 2000 I also took AP-1 in the summer and I do NOT advise it unless you have the time to eat, breath and sleep it. There is so much material to learn in a short amount of time. I had one of the hardest teachers at the local community college. We had about a 50% drop out rate and I do believe it is one of the most challenging things I've committed myself to accomplish--but then I am somewhat " compulsive " and am not satisfied to just " get by " . I really do want to KNOW it!!! But, it was worth it and I am proud to say I made one of the three A's that summer. It gives you a better " bird's eye view " and ability to communicate with other medical professionals, especially doctors and to understand professional journals and research more easily. It has also helped me in dealing with illnesses and disease with my own family members and helping them make more educated decisions about their care. Melody Malouf ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ <<- dang this is hard course, especially taking it during the summer session (if you can help it - take it during the normal school year!!). No one said the road to obtaining the coveted red patch is going to be easy. Everyone is absolutely correct on wanting to make this a profession, not a vocation. . . >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2000 Report Share Posted June 6, 2000 It's a CO incident, isn't it? Rather than CO2? Carbon monoxide. GG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2000 Report Share Posted June 6, 2000 I'm not sure that I agree with the Chem 1 part of this but the A & P I will agree with. As far as the 02 and CO2 mishap, I think maybe that person did sleep through that part of the medic class where they talk about CO2 masking that of 02 in this particular case. I always make a note to tell my students not to rely on pulse ox reading when dealing with a CO2 incident because of this exact problem you just pointed out. We did learn that in my medic class, and that was way before A & P was every thought about being added to the medic class. Wayne--EMTP/EMSI/etc.... Re: College level A/P >I am going to take this answer to a VERY simple level. Mr. Gandy, Dr. >Bledsoe, the various RN's, and Paramedic instructors have given the most >eloquent (sp) of answers, so that is all that is left. > >All EMT's should have A & P, Medical Terminology, and basic Chemistry (chem I, >whatever you call it). Why? So you don't sound like an idiot! > >Actual run report: >Ambulance > " ...and removed patient from the closed garage in which the car was running. >The patient is unresponse, breathing 12x per minute, and has a 99% O2 >sat...(non-pertinent/confidential information deleted)...We have an IV of NS >tko, and are giving O2 at 4 lpm with a nasal cannula...(more non-pertinent >information) " > >recieving hospital: > " Why don't you have her on a NRM Medic __?! " > >Ambulance: > " ...has a 99% O2 sat per pulse oximetry, our ETA is now 1 minute. " > >Anyone want to guess how the conversation went when they walked through the >door? I would have LOVED to have been there to hear it. > >Apparently this EMT-P slept through the CO portion of his Paramedic class. >A & P or Chemistry might (I say might) have prevented this. > >Then there was the story of the guy who wound up in a sling/swath because he >was reported to have a 'broken calcanus' (sp) by the doc in a box. > >I rest my case about not looking like a moron. And folks, I am a >professional at looking like a moron so I should know. =) > > Webb, LP (or some such junk) >FLW EMS, MO >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Paying too much for Long Distance should be ILLEGAL! $60 in FREE >Long Distance calls when you join beMANY! >http://click./1/4169/7/_/4981/_/960333107/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2000 Report Share Posted June 7, 2000 Pat: Yes I do. As a paramedic you will be working at a much higher level than as an EMT. To truly understand what is going on with a patient and to make informed decisions, you have to understand how the body works in health or disease to a much greater degree than EMTs do. After well over a decade as an EMS instructor and after a quarter-century in EMS, I can say with a clear conscience that requiring all paramedic candidates to first complete the 2-semester college A & P course is perfectly appropriate. There is no way the EMS school can do as good a job of teaching this without duplicating the curriculum (including dissection labs), so why reinvent the wheel. I personally believe you cannot understand pathophysiology clearly enough or appreciate the actions of the medications you carry on the body without having this coursework under your belt. I'll grant you that some of the details don't directly apply to every case we deal with, the DNA example for instance. However, as the human body is a complex set of components and reactions that work in synchronicity, so is it necessary to look as things that may not apply directly to EMS daily in order to fully understand the aspects of A & P that do. Dave College level A/P > What do all you astute paramedics and emt-i's think about the > requirement to have take A/P before going on to a paramedic course? > Do you think it's really necessary? In the scope of your duties, do > consider how the structure of DNA affects a person in cardiac arrest > or how a the mitichondria affects someone or how a polysaccaride > effects a perons going into insulin " shock? " I can see where some of > it applies but for the most part, I do not. What do ya'll think? > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Would you like to save big on your phone bill -- and keep on saving > more each month? Join beMANY! Our huge buying group gives you Long Distance > rates which fall monthly, plus an extra $60 in FREE calls! > http://click./1/2567/7/_/4981/_/960258166/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2000 Report Share Posted June 7, 2000 This is also a good reason why paramedics should be required to take formal English courses; so they can communicate like an educated person instead of like ny Weismeuller's version of Tarzan. " Patient have big cut. Medic stick with big needle. " Dave Re: College level A/P > I am going to take this answer to a VERY simple level. Mr. Gandy, Dr. > Bledsoe, the various RN's, and Paramedic instructors have given the most > eloquent (sp) of answers, so that is all that is left. > > All EMT's should have A & P, Medical Terminology, and basic Chemistry (chem I, > whatever you call it). Why? So you don't sound like an idiot! > > Actual run report: > Ambulance > " ...and removed patient from the closed garage in which the car was running. > The patient is unresponse, breathing 12x per minute, and has a 99% O2 > sat...(non-pertinent/confidential information deleted)...We have an IV of NS > tko, and are giving O2 at 4 lpm with a nasal cannula...(more non-pertinent > information) " > > recieving hospital: > " Why don't you have her on a NRM Medic __?! " > > Ambulance: > " ...has a 99% O2 sat per pulse oximetry, our ETA is now 1 minute. " > > Anyone want to guess how the conversation went when they walked through the > door? I would have LOVED to have been there to hear it. > > Apparently this EMT-P slept through the CO portion of his Paramedic class. > A & P or Chemistry might (I say might) have prevented this. > > Then there was the story of the guy who wound up in a sling/swath because he > was reported to have a 'broken calcanus' (sp) by the doc in a box. > > I rest my case about not looking like a moron. And folks, I am a > professional at looking like a moron so I should know. =) > > Webb, LP (or some such junk) > FLW EMS, MO > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Paying too much for Long Distance should be ILLEGAL! $60 in FREE > Long Distance calls when you join beMANY! > http://click./1/4169/7/_/4981/_/960333107/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2000 Report Share Posted June 7, 2000 Now you are being " funny " . English I don't agree with. It may have some benefits, but not as much as A & P. I know that you are going to say it makes them communicate better, yada, yada,.. But it also depends on the person. WD Re: College level A/P >This is also a good reason why paramedics should be required to take formal >English courses; so they can communicate like an educated person instead of >like ny Weismeuller's version of Tarzan. " Patient have big cut. Medic >stick with big needle. " > >Dave > Re: College level A/P > > >> I am going to take this answer to a VERY simple level. Mr. Gandy, Dr. >> Bledsoe, the various RN's, and Paramedic instructors have given the most >> eloquent (sp) of answers, so that is all that is left. >> >> All EMT's should have A & P, Medical Terminology, and basic Chemistry (chem >I, >> whatever you call it). Why? So you don't sound like an idiot! >> >> Actual run report: >> Ambulance >> " ...and removed patient from the closed garage in which the car was >running. >> The patient is unresponse, breathing 12x per minute, and has a 99% O2 >> sat...(non-pertinent/confidential information deleted)...We have an IV of >NS >> tko, and are giving O2 at 4 lpm with a nasal cannula...(more non-pertinent >> information) " >> >> recieving hospital: >> " Why don't you have her on a NRM Medic __?! " >> >> Ambulance: >> " ...has a 99% O2 sat per pulse oximetry, our ETA is now 1 minute. " >> >> Anyone want to guess how the conversation went when they walked through >the >> door? I would have LOVED to have been there to hear it. >> >> Apparently this EMT-P slept through the CO portion of his Paramedic class. >> A & P or Chemistry might (I say might) have prevented this. >> >> Then there was the story of the guy who wound up in a sling/swath because >he >> was reported to have a 'broken calcanus' (sp) by the doc in a box. >> >> I rest my case about not looking like a moron. And folks, I am a >> professional at looking like a moron so I should know. =) >> >> Webb, LP (or some such junk) >> FLW EMS, MO >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Paying too much for Long Distance should be ILLEGAL! $60 in FREE >> Long Distance calls when you join beMANY! >> http://click./1/4169/7/_/4981/_/960333107/ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Paying too much for Long Distance should be ILLEGAL! $60 in FREE >Long Distance calls when you join beMANY! >http://click./1/4169/7/_/4981/_/960387711/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2000 Report Share Posted June 7, 2000 I think English is a good subject and agree that it is not as good as A & P. If you do not want English per say may I suggest that a Medical Report Writing Classes of some sorts be given. I have new paramedics, that work under me, that can not write a report. They tell me its because they are not trained to do documentation of any sort in school?? I find that very odd seeing as when i went to school documentation was something that was driven in to our class. Am I missing something here?? Randy, EMTP emt@... Re: College level A/P > > > > > >> I am going to take this answer to a VERY simple level. Mr. Gandy, Dr. > >> Bledsoe, the various RN's, and Paramedic instructors have given the most > >> eloquent (sp) of answers, so that is all that is left. > >> > >> All EMT's should have A & P, Medical Terminology, and basic Chemistry (chem > >I, > >> whatever you call it). Why? So you don't sound like an idiot! > >> > >> Actual run report: > >> Ambulance > >> " ...and removed patient from the closed garage in which the car was > >running. > >> The patient is unresponse, breathing 12x per minute, and has a 99% O2 > >> sat...(non-pertinent/confidential information deleted)...We have an IV of > >NS > >> tko, and are giving O2 at 4 lpm with a nasal cannula...(more > non-pertinent > >> information) " > >> > >> recieving hospital: > >> " Why don't you have her on a NRM Medic __?! " > >> > >> Ambulance: > >> " ...has a 99% O2 sat per pulse oximetry, our ETA is now 1 minute. " > >> > >> Anyone want to guess how the conversation went when they walked through > >the > >> door? I would have LOVED to have been there to hear it. > >> > >> Apparently this EMT-P slept through the CO portion of his Paramedic > class. > >> A & P or Chemistry might (I say might) have prevented this. > >> > >> Then there was the story of the guy who wound up in a sling/swath because > >he > >> was reported to have a 'broken calcanus' (sp) by the doc in a box. > >> > >> I rest my case about not looking like a moron. And folks, I am a > >> professional at looking like a moron so I should know. =) > >> > >> Webb, LP (or some such junk) > >> FLW EMS, MO > >> ________________________________________________________________________ > >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> Paying too much for Long Distance should be ILLEGAL! $60 in FREE > >> Long Distance calls when you join beMANY! > >> http://click./1/4169/7/_/4981/_/960333107/ > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Paying too much for Long Distance should be ILLEGAL! $60 in FREE > >Long Distance calls when you join beMANY! > >http://click./1/4169/7/_/4981/_/960387711/ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry > experiments. > http://click./1/4051/7/_/4981/_/960418833/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2000 Report Share Posted June 7, 2000 Doc.... report writing is taught in almost every ems curriculum I'm aware of, but some just teach it write a couple of reports and that's it...some schools don't hammer it like others...where I went to school at you had a few scenarios at the end of every test and all of these had to be answered in the CHARTE method...many schools also teach the SOAP and with the same stringenties....but I know at GCC if you were not able to document properly your patient report you failed the course....I feel english is important because it does help with the grammar proper sentence structure, etc.....and believe me, I have heard both nurses and doctors talk about some paramedics inability to write a proper report, as well as, their grammar being so grossly wrong that their report was not taken seriously....there are times I even fit in this category, but I attempt to listen and take heed to advise that my fellow medical professionals give me, and I'm also enrolling in a long-distance education english course while working towards my degree in Cardiovascular Technology. There is no excuse for poor report writing because there is always a way to improve yourself in this manner....I highly recommend it..... " what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger " (or smarter).. my two bits, Jim, EMT-I Randy \ " Doc\ " Dees wrote: > I think English is a good subject and agree that it is not as good as A & P. > If you do not want English per say may I suggest that a Medical Report > Writing Classes of some sorts be given. I have new paramedics, that work > under me, that can not write a report. They tell me its because they are > not trained to do documentation of any sort in school?? I find that very > odd seeing as when i went to school documentation was something that was > driven in to our class. Am I missing something here?? > > Randy, EMTP > emt@... > > Re: College level A/P > > > > > > > > >> I am going to take this answer to a VERY simple level. Mr. Gandy, Dr. > > >> Bledsoe, the various RN's, and Paramedic instructors have given the > most > > >> eloquent (sp) of answers, so that is all that is left. > > >> > > >> All EMT's should have A & P, Medical Terminology, and basic Chemistry > (chem > > >I, > > >> whatever you call it). Why? So you don't sound like an idiot! > > >> > > >> Actual run report: > > >> Ambulance > > >> " ...and removed patient from the closed garage in which the car was > > >running. > > >> The patient is unresponse, breathing 12x per minute, and has a 99% O2 > > >> sat...(non-pertinent/confidential information deleted)...We have an IV > of > > >NS > > >> tko, and are giving O2 at 4 lpm with a nasal cannula...(more > > non-pertinent > > >> information) " > > >> > > >> recieving hospital: > > >> " Why don't you have her on a NRM Medic __?! " > > >> > > >> Ambulance: > > >> " ...has a 99% O2 sat per pulse oximetry, our ETA is now 1 minute. " > > >> > > >> Anyone want to guess how the conversation went when they walked through > > >the > > >> door? I would have LOVED to have been there to hear it. > > >> > > >> Apparently this EMT-P slept through the CO portion of his Paramedic > > class. > > >> A & P or Chemistry might (I say might) have prevented this. > > >> > > >> Then there was the story of the guy who wound up in a sling/swath > because > > >he > > >> was reported to have a 'broken calcanus' (sp) by the doc in a box. > > >> > > >> I rest my case about not looking like a moron. And folks, I am a > > >> professional at looking like a moron so I should know. =) > > >> > > >> Webb, LP (or some such junk) > > >> FLW EMS, MO > > >> > ________________________________________________________________________ > > >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > > >> > > >> > > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> Paying too much for Long Distance should be ILLEGAL! $60 in FREE > > >> Long Distance calls when you join beMANY! > > >> http://click./1/4169/7/_/4981/_/960333107/ > > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >Paying too much for Long Distance should be ILLEGAL! $60 in FREE > > >Long Distance calls when you join beMANY! > > >http://click./1/4169/7/_/4981/_/960387711/ > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry > > experiments. > > http://click./1/4051/7/_/4981/_/960418833/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Would you like to save big on your phone bill -- and keep on saving > more each month? 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Guest guest Posted June 7, 2000 Report Share Posted June 7, 2000 Randy, I have to agree, I find it odd that documentation was not taught in their EMS classes. It was taught in all of mine and I teach it in all of my classes as it is very important that they know how to document and write run reports. A report writing class would be a good thing instead of an English course. WD Re: College level A/P >I think English is a good subject and agree that it is not as good as A & P. >If you do not want English per say may I suggest that a Medical Report >Writing Classes of some sorts be given. I have new paramedics, that work >under me, that can not write a report. They tell me its because they are >not trained to do documentation of any sort in school?? I find that very >odd seeing as when i went to school documentation was something that was >driven in to our class. Am I missing something here?? > >Randy, EMTP >emt@... > > > Re: College level A/P >> > >> > >> >> I am going to take this answer to a VERY simple level. Mr. Gandy, Dr. >> >> Bledsoe, the various RN's, and Paramedic instructors have given the >most >> >> eloquent (sp) of answers, so that is all that is left. >> >> >> >> All EMT's should have A & P, Medical Terminology, and basic Chemistry >(chem >> >I, >> >> whatever you call it). Why? So you don't sound like an idiot! >> >> >> >> Actual run report: >> >> Ambulance >> >> " ...and removed patient from the closed garage in which the car was >> >running. >> >> The patient is unresponse, breathing 12x per minute, and has a 99% O2 >> >> sat...(non-pertinent/confidential information deleted)...We have an IV >of >> >NS >> >> tko, and are giving O2 at 4 lpm with a nasal cannula...(more >> non-pertinent >> >> information) " >> >> >> >> recieving hospital: >> >> " Why don't you have her on a NRM Medic __?! " >> >> >> >> Ambulance: >> >> " ...has a 99% O2 sat per pulse oximetry, our ETA is now 1 minute. " >> >> >> >> Anyone want to guess how the conversation went when they walked through >> >the >> >> door? I would have LOVED to have been there to hear it. >> >> >> >> Apparently this EMT-P slept through the CO portion of his Paramedic >> class. >> >> A & P or Chemistry might (I say might) have prevented this. >> >> >> >> Then there was the story of the guy who wound up in a sling/swath >because >> >he >> >> was reported to have a 'broken calcanus' (sp) by the doc in a box. >> >> >> >> I rest my case about not looking like a moron. And folks, I am a >> >> professional at looking like a moron so I should know. =) >> >> >> >> Webb, LP (or some such junk) >> >> FLW EMS, MO >> >> >________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Paying too much for Long Distance should be ILLEGAL! $60 in FREE >> >> Long Distance calls when you join beMANY! >> >> http://click./1/4169/7/_/4981/_/960333107/ >> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >Paying too much for Long Distance should be ILLEGAL! $60 in FREE >> >Long Distance calls when you join beMANY! >> >http://click./1/4169/7/_/4981/_/960387711/ >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry >> experiments. >> http://click./1/4051/7/_/4981/_/960418833/ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Would you like to save big on your phone bill -- and keep on saving >more each month? Join beMANY! Our huge buying group gives you Long Distance >rates which fall monthly, plus an extra $60 in FREE calls! >http://click./1/2567/7/_/4981/_/960421329/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2000 Report Share Posted June 8, 2000 All, I agree with Dave about the English courses. A & P is very good, and I have seen not necessarily an improvement is students per se, as much as the students having an easier time in advanced level training when they have had A & P. As an instructor both with the fire department in house program, but also at the community college program here, I have been teaching some of the more advanced " advanced " level concepts, i.e., what is going on at the cellular level in shock, diabetes, etc, and immune system responses, even before these things were put into the new curriculum. The students that had A & P always did better in this scenerio. For the ones who did not have it, the concept would go out, and then we would end up spending very valuable class time,(that was in short supply), to not even remediate, but to teach these students what amounted to " paramedic A & P " after which they had an easier time understanding, because now, they too, had a better concept of what was going on inside the body at the cellular level. So, yes, I feel strongly that the A & P should be a pre- or co-requisite to paramedic level training. I think English would be a good thing too, just to put EMS in a better light. I also believe that most folks could stand to take a remedial fourth grade level spelling class too. I have said for many years (with tongue in cheek, to be sure) that " it is not necessarily what you do, but how you look while you are doing it " , because, unfortunately, first impressions DO matter. It is awfully hard to " look professional " on the witness stand, (especially if you are defending yourself in a lawsuit) when every fourth or fifth word on the run sheet is spelled incorrectly. People will naturally wonder if your patient care is as bad as your spelling. Past students of mine have told me " I have been a poor speller all my life " , as if 1) that is just the way it is and I as an instructor must just accept it, and 2) I can't improve myself because of whatever reason. My reply to that would be, can't improve or won't? If we want the doctors and nurses to converse with us as peers, and want our city councils and county boards to give us more pay, we have to show them we are educated professionals that cannot easily be replaced, not glorified " ambulance drivers " who are a dime a dozen at any temporary worker outlet. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2000 Report Share Posted June 8, 2000 Actually, Wayne, I kinda WAS trying to be funny, ala tongue-in-cheek. However, you must agree that a lot of our colleagues give an impression of pure illiteracy when you read their charts. The bad spelling and rotten grammar is unfortunately grist for the mills of those who oppose the idea of paramedics as medical professionals. Appearance isn't everything, but it surely is something! Dave Re: College level A/P > > > > > >> I am going to take this answer to a VERY simple level. Mr. Gandy, Dr. > >> Bledsoe, the various RN's, and Paramedic instructors have given the most > >> eloquent (sp) of answers, so that is all that is left. > >> > >> All EMT's should have A & P, Medical Terminology, and basic Chemistry (chem > >I, > >> whatever you call it). Why? So you don't sound like an idiot! > >> > >> Actual run report: > >> Ambulance > >> " ...and removed patient from the closed garage in which the car was > >running. > >> The patient is unresponse, breathing 12x per minute, and has a 99% O2 > >> sat...(non-pertinent/confidential information deleted)...We have an IV of > >NS > >> tko, and are giving O2 at 4 lpm with a nasal cannula...(more > non-pertinent > >> information) " > >> > >> recieving hospital: > >> " Why don't you have her on a NRM Medic __?! " > >> > >> Ambulance: > >> " ...has a 99% O2 sat per pulse oximetry, our ETA is now 1 minute. " > >> > >> Anyone want to guess how the conversation went when they walked through > >the > >> door? I would have LOVED to have been there to hear it. > >> > >> Apparently this EMT-P slept through the CO portion of his Paramedic > class. > >> A & P or Chemistry might (I say might) have prevented this. > >> > >> Then there was the story of the guy who wound up in a sling/swath because > >he > >> was reported to have a 'broken calcanus' (sp) by the doc in a box. > >> > >> I rest my case about not looking like a moron. And folks, I am a > >> professional at looking like a moron so I should know. =) > >> > >> Webb, LP (or some such junk) > >> FLW EMS, MO > >> ________________________________________________________________________ > >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> Paying too much for Long Distance should be ILLEGAL! $60 in FREE > >> Long Distance calls when you join beMANY! > >> http://click./1/4169/7/_/4981/_/960333107/ > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Paying too much for Long Distance should be ILLEGAL! $60 in FREE > >Long Distance calls when you join beMANY! > >http://click./1/4169/7/_/4981/_/960387711/ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry > experiments. > http://click./1/4051/7/_/4981/_/960418833/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2000 Report Share Posted June 8, 2000 Dave, Yes I know that you were trying to be funny, but I do realize that there are EMTS and medics out there that would write a runsheet just that way. But you also have to remember that EMTs and medics are not the only ones that may write like that also. Ever read some doctors notes. Nothing against them, but I have some funnies that were taken from actual charts. WD Re: College level A/P >Actually, Wayne, I kinda WAS trying to be funny, ala tongue-in-cheek. >However, you must agree that a lot of our colleagues give an impression of >pure illiteracy when you read their charts. The bad spelling and rotten >grammar is unfortunately grist for the mills of those who oppose the idea of >paramedics as medical professionals. Appearance isn't everything, but it >surely is something! > >Dave > Re: College level A/P >> > >> > >> >> I am going to take this answer to a VERY simple level. Mr. Gandy, Dr. >> >> Bledsoe, the various RN's, and Paramedic instructors have given the >most >> >> eloquent (sp) of answers, so that is all that is left. >> >> >> >> All EMT's should have A & P, Medical Terminology, and basic Chemistry >(chem >> >I, >> >> whatever you call it). Why? So you don't sound like an idiot! >> >> >> >> Actual run report: >> >> Ambulance >> >> " ...and removed patient from the closed garage in which the car was >> >running. >> >> The patient is unresponse, breathing 12x per minute, and has a 99% O2 >> >> sat...(non-pertinent/confidential information deleted)...We have an IV >of >> >NS >> >> tko, and are giving O2 at 4 lpm with a nasal cannula...(more >> non-pertinent >> >> information) " >> >> >> >> recieving hospital: >> >> " Why don't you have her on a NRM Medic __?! " >> >> >> >> Ambulance: >> >> " ...has a 99% O2 sat per pulse oximetry, our ETA is now 1 minute. " >> >> >> >> Anyone want to guess how the conversation went when they walked through >> >the >> >> door? I would have LOVED to have been there to hear it. >> >> >> >> Apparently this EMT-P slept through the CO portion of his Paramedic >> class. >> >> A & P or Chemistry might (I say might) have prevented this. >> >> >> >> Then there was the story of the guy who wound up in a sling/swath >because >> >he >> >> was reported to have a 'broken calcanus' (sp) by the doc in a box. >> >> >> >> I rest my case about not looking like a moron. And folks, I am a >> >> professional at looking like a moron so I should know. =) >> >> >> >> Webb, LP (or some such junk) >> >> FLW EMS, MO >> >> >________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Paying too much for Long Distance should be ILLEGAL! $60 in FREE >> >> Long Distance calls when you join beMANY! >> >> http://click./1/4169/7/_/4981/_/960333107/ >> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >Paying too much for Long Distance should be ILLEGAL! $60 in FREE >> >Long Distance calls when you join beMANY! >> >http://click./1/4169/7/_/4981/_/960387711/ >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry >> experiments. >> http://click./1/4051/7/_/4981/_/960418833/ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Paying too much for Long Distance should be ILLEGAL! $60 in FREE >Long Distance calls when you join beMANY! >http://click./1/4169/7/_/4981/_/960472107/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2000 Report Share Posted June 8, 2000 Wayne You're totally right, of course. As a matter of fact some of the wildest grammatical and spelling errors I've ever seen came from legal briefs or court proceedings written by lawyers. Our company attorney, who is kinda anal-retentive about this issue, regularly clips a column showcasings some of these dillies out of the state legal magazine and posts it on the board in our break room. There are some side-splitting whoppers. I have to admit the problem is not limited to EMS personnel. However, I have to agree with Grote 100% that, just because the problem is very common, doesn't mean we have to accept it or tolerate it. It's kind of like cancer. We have to fight it every time in shows up. We also need to take prophylactic measures like requiring EMS personnel to have a little better general education (our people still don't even have to have a high school diploma or GED!) Dave Re: College level A/P > >> > > >> > > >> >> I am going to take this answer to a VERY simple level. Mr. Gandy, Dr. > >> >> Bledsoe, the various RN's, and Paramedic instructors have given the > >most > >> >> eloquent (sp) of answers, so that is all that is left. > >> >> > >> >> All EMT's should have A & P, Medical Terminology, and basic Chemistry > >(chem > >> >I, > >> >> whatever you call it). Why? So you don't sound like an idiot! > >> >> > >> >> Actual run report: > >> >> Ambulance > >> >> " ...and removed patient from the closed garage in which the car was > >> >running. > >> >> The patient is unresponse, breathing 12x per minute, and has a 99% O2 > >> >> sat...(non-pertinent/confidential information deleted)...We have an IV > >of > >> >NS > >> >> tko, and are giving O2 at 4 lpm with a nasal cannula...(more > >> non-pertinent > >> >> information) " > >> >> > >> >> recieving hospital: > >> >> " Why don't you have her on a NRM Medic __?! " > >> >> > >> >> Ambulance: > >> >> " ...has a 99% O2 sat per pulse oximetry, our ETA is now 1 minute. " > >> >> > >> >> Anyone want to guess how the conversation went when they walked > through > >> >the > >> >> door? I would have LOVED to have been there to hear it. > >> >> > >> >> Apparently this EMT-P slept through the CO portion of his Paramedic > >> class. > >> >> A & P or Chemistry might (I say might) have prevented this. > >> >> > >> >> Then there was the story of the guy who wound up in a sling/swath > >because > >> >he > >> >> was reported to have a 'broken calcanus' (sp) by the doc in a box. > >> >> > >> >> I rest my case about not looking like a moron. And folks, I am a > >> >> professional at looking like a moron so I should know. =) > >> >> > >> >> Webb, LP (or some such junk) > >> >> FLW EMS, MO > >> >> > >________________________________________________________________________ > >> >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> >> Paying too much for Long Distance should be ILLEGAL! $60 in FREE > >> >> Long Distance calls when you join beMANY! > >> >> http://click./1/4169/7/_/4981/_/960333107/ > >> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> >Paying too much for Long Distance should be ILLEGAL! $60 in FREE > >> >Long Distance calls when you join beMANY! > >> >http://click./1/4169/7/_/4981/_/960387711/ > >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry > >> experiments. > >> http://click./1/4051/7/_/4981/_/960418833/ > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Paying too much for Long Distance should be ILLEGAL! $60 in FREE > >Long Distance calls when you join beMANY! > >http://click./1/4169/7/_/4981/_/960472107/ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Win a trip to Vegas for you and 20 friends, $15,000 and a suite at > Bellagio for New Year's, courtesy of Expedia.com. Or win 2 roundtrip > tickets anywhere in the U.S. given away daily. Click for a chance to win. > http://click./1/5293/7/_/4981/_/960475623/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2000 Report Share Posted June 8, 2000 Dave, Thanks! I'm kinda seeing the error of my mis-informed thinking. I can almost see how the class will make me a better medic (especially in the military, the anatomy classes are even more lacking than civilian emt-b. Little to know pictures, slides or frames of reference. Maybe a couple of black and whites!!) The day I wrote that note was a rough class day, so I kinda opened my mouth before engaging my brain. It is getting better and I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I can truly understand that if we want to be considered professionals, we need to have the education that goes with it, just like any other health profession. Thanks again! - Re: College level A/P Pat: Yes I do. As a paramedic you will be working at a much higher level than as an EMT. To truly understand what is going on with a patient and to make informed decisions, you have to understand how the body works in health or disease to a much greater degree than EMTs do. After well over a decade as an EMS instructor and after a quarter-century in EMS, I can say with a clear conscience that requiring all paramedic candidates to first complete the 2-semester college A & P course is perfectly appropriate. There is no way the EMS school can do as good a job of teaching this without duplicating the curriculum (including dissection labs), so why reinvent the wheel. I personally believe you cannot understand pathophysiology clearly enough or appreciate the actions of the medications you carry on the body without having this coursework under your belt. I'll grant you that some of the details don't directly apply to every case we deal with, the DNA example for instance. However, as the human body is a complex set of components and reactions that work in synchronicity, so is it necessary to look as things that may not apply directly to EMS daily in order to fully understand the aspects of A & P that do. Dave College level A/P > What do all you astute paramedics and emt-i's think about the > requirement to have take A/P before going on to a paramedic course? > Do you think it's really necessary? In the scope of your duties, do > consider how the structure of DNA affects a person in cardiac arrest > or how a the mitichondria affects someone or how a polysaccaride > effects a perons going into insulin " shock? " I can see where some of > it applies but for the most part, I do not. What do ya'll think? > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Would you like to save big on your phone bill -- and keep on saving > more each month? Join beMANY! Our huge buying group gives you Long Distance > rates which fall monthly, plus an extra $60 in FREE calls! > http://click./1/2567/7/_/4981/_/960258166/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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