Beliefs and Cleansing

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What I don't understand is what do people who are not interested in the

cleansing wasting their time on this forum....I don't have much time in my day

to get on the puter let alone on a forum where I have no interest. Anyhow,

seems foolish to me, but maybe some have more time than I do.

Peace

Lu

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From: Tishri7@...

gallstones

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:02 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Beliefs and Cleansing

I really think it would be a good thing if you stopped trying to speak for

everyone. >>

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Debra, I surely don't feel Barry is doing this, thinking for everyone. But

if he is, then he definitely has a right to his opinion!

Susie

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L. Meydrech stated the following in Digest

Number 1009 :

>Magnesium doesn't dialate the ducts, it relaxes them, muscles, etc.

That may be so, but if I may be so bold, how do you *know* that?

And is that true for magnesium sulfate or only some other magnesium

salt? And again, what do you base this information on?

> " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

Agreed.

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Some how Ira, I find it very hard to believe that you, someone with your

studied background, hasn't actually looked up the information regarding

magnesium on your own. But instead resorts to highlighted statements of " how

do you *know* that? " >>

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I just want to say that if he would try some magnesium when he's having his

GB attack, then maybe he can figure out what it does.

Back in July when we went on our little mini-vacation, I had an attack. This

was before I started my Beta-TCP and also taking magnesium every night, which

I do now. But luckily I took some ES with me just in case I was having bowel

problems. Well, I decided to try it with my attack. After I drank the ES,

my attack stopped within 10 to 15 minutes. I felt fine afterwards too! I'm

not saying that it works every time, but it did at that time.

So Ira, if you're even having GB attacks, I suggest that you try it and

personally experience it.

Susie

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Ira - I completed studies to be a certified nutritionist - which included

studies on all the nutrients, anatomy and physiology, etc. I, of course,

did not sit in a laboratory and personally prove to myself that each

thing that I studied was true, no one could do that. But this is what

you learn about Magnesium when you do your studies, plus it's many

other benefits. Do you personally

study and prove each of the things that you hear?? I leave it to those

who have gone before.

I read with interest many of the posts on here, and even though

some of the folks here are not doctors, nutritionists, etc., and there

may, at times, be other explanations for things that they

are experiencing, I love the enthusiasm, and the fact that they are doing

something, not just sitting around pondering. Now, that's all I'm

going to say, not going to get into all the back and forth banter that

is going on...will continue to read the best, and delete the rest :-)

L. Meydrech

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

http://nutritionist.tripod.com

----- Original Message -----

From: Ira L. son

gallstones

Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 1:06 AM

Subject: Re: Beliefs and Cleansing

L. Meydrech stated the following in Digest

Number 1009 :

>Magnesium doesn't dialate the ducts, it relaxes them, muscles, etc.

That may be so, but if I may be so bold, how do you *know* that?

And is that true for magnesium sulfate or only some other magnesium

salt? And again, what do you base this information on?

> " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

Agreed.

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Dale,

Good answer. I think you have hit it right on the spot where some of

these people are coming from. Ira and Debra are only here to try and

disclaim the process of cleansing the gallbladder. For what reason is

still beyond me. Why would anyone waste their time in a gallbladder

cleanse group if they aren't even interesting in cleansing? They must

be twisted, diluted, or they are sorry that they don't have the guts

to cleanse their own bodies and try an alternative to surgery. Or,

they have had surgery and feel some kind of guilt for not attempting

the cleanse like we are. Whatever the case, I really enjoy your

knowledge and support to the 'cause' that we are accomplishing here

in this group.

I'll answer Ira's 'question' like this. Drink some ES and look in the

toilet. You will have your proof that ES not only relaxes the upper

digestive organs but the lower digestive organs as well. :-)

Barry.

> Some how Ira, I find it very hard to believe that you, someone with

your

> studied background, hasn't actually looked up the information

regarding

> magnesium on your own. But instead resorts to highlighted

statements of " how

> do you *know* that? " . What are you trying to prove here, how smart

you are?

> I know you have to be pretty down right smart just to setup the

question the

> way you did, as if it was a humble but bold request, when it is a

thing of

> which you could have researched in a heartbeat and found the

answer, if you

> didn't already have it. Shoot, chances are you could have even

talked to

> your dentist to acquire that information like you did with the

information

> regarding amalgams, it does vaporize even OSHA recognizes this fact

and

> notes it here by pointing to compounds of which amalgams are. Take

note of

> the EXPOSURE SOURCES AND CONTROL METHODS

> http://www.osha-

slc.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/mercuryvapor/recognition.html

> http://www.dancris.com/~tjleedds/Amalgam/essay.html

>

> The trickery of your " humble " request lays in the fact that should

she

> attempt to answer she will be trying to answer the relaxing

statement and

> this would only be regarding the muscles as magnesium is the

counterweight

> to the effect of calcium in the contract and relax actions of the

muscles.

> The effect of the magnesium on the cellular walls of ducts is

something a

> bit

> different. But, you knew this already, didn't you?

>

> Debra has been supportive of your " questions " but I don't think in

all

> honesty they are really questions for personal growth, just ego.

You, I

> believe (that word once again), are of such an education that this

is just a

> game to you, where most of the people here are trying to learn how

to deal

> with a very serious health issue. They, like myself, are here

because either

> they personally or some loved one is having to deal with a crisis

of which

> could mean the removal of the gallbladder, and desire to not have

to do

> that.

>

> Ira, again, I find you to be a satan by what you seek to do here. I

question

> your motives for being in this group and once again I'm asking,

what do you

> hope to obtain from this group? Since day one you've asked

questions, not

> said one thank you for information these people have sought to

provide you,

> and have asked secondary questions in a quest to show just how

smart you

> really are, just to put people on the spot, or simply make them

feel like

> fools for having made various statements.

>

> Dale

>

> L. Meydrech stated the following in Digest

> Number 1009 :

> >Magnesium doesn't dialate the ducts, it relaxes them, muscles, etc.

>

> That may be so, but if I may be so bold, how do you *know* that?

>

> And is that true for magnesium sulfate or only some other magnesium

> salt? And again, what do you base this information on?

>

> > " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

>

> Agreed.

[Guest guest]

Susie,

You are absolutely right. ES will relax your gb contractions much

like antispasmadic medication. ES will relax almost all of the organs

in your body that it comes in contact with through the digestive

system. I use antispamadic pills to stop my gb contracting and it

allows the stone to drop back out of the mouth of the gb in a matter

of minutes.

If anyone wants proof to ES relaxing anything, just look in my

toilet. I'm sold on it and I did it before reading the medical

journals related to it. If anyone wants more proof than looking in my

toilet, or doing it themselves to look in their own toilet, more

power to them. I don't need that thorough of a research before

stopping my pain.

Barry.

> Some how Ira, I find it very hard to believe that you, someone

with your

> studied background, hasn't actually looked up the information

regarding

> magnesium on your own. But instead resorts to highlighted

statements of " how

> do you *know* that? " >>

> ________________

>

> I just want to say that if he would try some magnesium when he's

having his

> GB attack, then maybe he can figure out what it does.

>

> Back in July when we went on our little mini-vacation, I had an

attack. This

> was before I started my Beta-TCP and also taking magnesium every

night, which

> I do now. But luckily I took some ES with me just in case I was

having bowel

> problems. Well, I decided to try it with my attack. After I drank

the ES,

> my attack stopped within 10 to 15 minutes. I felt fine afterwards

too! I'm

> not saying that it works every time, but it did at that time.

>

> So Ira, if you're even having GB attacks, I suggest that you try it

and

> personally experience it.

> Susie