Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 i have no fillings but apprently this sort of thing disqualifies me from giving effective advice so some ineffective advice is to get a hair test and look at your mineralisation. molybdenum is also signficant in building tooth strength and kirkmans labs sell a good molybdenum sugar is the pits and has to be excluded entirely including honey. do you have any amalgam fillings? your digestive enzymes sound very depressed so i would also look at www.houstonni.com enzymes > All my life I have had bad teeth. I keep trying to save them. Many dentist > or all try to push " flouride " onto me. Flouride is very bad healthwise.I > have resisted. One time I tried it for a couple of days and was very ill so > stopped using it. > > I just saw the dentist and he is wishing I would use flouride. I told him no > way as it makes me very ill. So what can I do? > My ND suggested I use silicea cell salts and I am doing that. > Brushing,waterpik. > I just went in today to get two cavities filled with plastic. I had no > novacane just nitress and music with head phones. Got through that. > > Staying on SCD,does this scdiet help with ones teeth? I have more cavites > than ever now and am an adult over 50 when will it ever stop.? > > Any suggestions > > > Jody H. > Eugene, Oregon > jodyh555@c... > Celiac Disease, 1 year on SCD > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 as i said i only have no fillings how many fillings do you have? i don't really brush my teeth that often either i do understand the need for simple sugars with scd but seem to be able to work around having no honey. teeth are bones and mineralisation is what makes them decay resistant. once a week i might floss now, not something i have done before. dentists can put amaglam fillings in leaking mercury and in the same breath say say that regular dental vists are necessary for dental hygiene. well its hardly suprising as the mercury works to impair bone minerlisation. somewhere is the scd protocol it says it is necessary to have tooth decay? its always the same problem, people substitute rules for understanding the theory and what should take months takes years. honey depending on the processing and where it comes from and the sources of nectar has some greater or lesser degree of complex sugars and there are a lot of depends. if people are concerned to preserve the value of scd then they should look to the understanding because rules don't last, any more than the rule about pork being starchy in the original banting/harvey/scd diet of 1862. > <<sugar is the pits and has to be excluded entirely including honey.>> > > I'm puzzled as to why a couple of posts today are saying honey should be excluded in order to avoid tooth decay. Excluding honey is not SCD protocol and shouldn't have to be " excluded " by most people. A sensible approach to dental care involves cleaning and check ups, first and foremost. Tooth decay is generally caused by the acids produced by bacteria in the mouth..... if they are allowed to colonize into plaque deposits..... in other words, if you're not brushing them off. You might have some hard to reach/hard to clean areas such as deep pits and grooves..... or crowded, overlapping teeth..... or the back side of posterior molars if they are partially covered by gum tissue or just plain hard to reach. Some people are more prone to decay than others..... mostly due to the pH of their saliva..... or defects in enamel when teeth were developing (before they came in). > > When I was working as a dental assistant and being trained in teaching people how to brush and floss their teeth, I also had to read quite a bit and attend classes on how this all works. The doctor I worked for taught me then that it's the sticky, starchy carbs that are the worst for promoting tooth decay.....things like cookies and sugary breakfast cereal..... but that even then, if it's brushed off right away.... and more importantly, if the plaque is removed regularly..... the bacteria won't have a chance. On the other hand, a junk food diet, high in refined carbs and sugar, will tend to make the saliva pH (probably the rest of the body, too) really acidic which will contribute to supporting the growth of bacterial colonies on the teeth (and tongue), eroding enamel and making cavities grow much faster, once they've started. > > This was reiterated recently by Katera's pediatric dentist who told me she would be unlikely to develop cavities on a diet that restricts starchy grain-based carbs..... as long as we are brushing and flossing. It's the daily cleaning that's most important. Oh, and by the way, both he and the dentist I used to work for (now retired) assure me that brushing with plain water is adequate. > > So..... I guess I'm hoping that no one reading the list today is getting the idea that they have to be afraid of giving small reasonable amouts of honey out of fear of promoting tooth decay. There's no reason to avoid it entirely. I'll agree with that " sugar is the pits " ..... but I wouldn't lump honey in their with it unless you're eating honey sweetened sticky treats.... and then not brushing after. Dried fruit would be just as offensive if you left it sitting on the teeth along with the plaque. Don't forget to floss food and plaque from in-between the teeth, too. > > Patti > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 Jody I recently did quite a bit of research on teeth, my two younger kids (20 mo and 4) have problems with tooth decay and I wanted to know what to do. But we've managed to arrest it in both cases and their teeth seem to be starting to re-enamel. I am using a herbal tooth formula for the baby as she won't really let us brush/clean her teeth. It provides the right nutrients for re-enameling and also helps alkalize her mouth. We also changed to a herbal tooth paste - no flouride! The orange placque is gone from both of their teeth. However, tooth decay has several sources and so here is one web site that I found very informative http://oramedia.com If it doesn't give you the answers, e-mail me directly and I'll try to find the other links with information, but flouride isn't good for anyone according to what I read and you don't need to have your teeth decay.. Abby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 I recently did quite a bit of research on teeth, my two younger kids (20 mo and 4) have problems with tooth decay and I wanted to know what to do. But we've managed to arrest it in both cases and their teeth seem to be starting to re-enamel. I am using a herbal tooth formula for the baby as she won't really let us brush/clean her teeth. It provides the right nutrients for re-enameling and also helps alkalize her mouth. We also changed to a herbal tooth paste - no flouride! The orange placque is gone from both of their teeth. However, tooth decay has several sources and so here is one web site that I found very informative http://oramedia.com If it doesn't give you the answers, e-mail me directly and I'll try to find the other links with information, but flouride isn't good for anyone according to what I read and you don't need to have your teeth decay.. Abby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 well i have to be honest and say i have on cavity but since its on a tooth surface that doesn't need a biting surface created then i am leaving it unfilled and so far so good. it has a dead nerve from bands as a child so its existance is a bit marginal. dentists want to do things like x rays and unnecessary fillings so i keep as clear as i can. well you are doing something right so its probably a combination of low sugar and flossing and nutritional food....... i don't think i'm lucky just like you have got some things right in regard of teeth. i don't know quite how to explain this but i am not making recommendations or say do this or that, the honey thing was really a discussion of the pros and cons, maybe the bias was towards no honey but it really was a depends, some unprocessed honeys can be quite mild on the teeth and my concern was more for intestinal yeast. but it maybe with more zinc recently that i tolerate honey better so maybe i will try that. this is the big difference of the net is it presents information so efficently that fifties style rule paradigms where information was costly to present and didn't accomdate feedback well are made obsolete by the net............ elaine has a website and there are others and her book which lay out rules fairly black and white and if people can't read then who is at fault? so i think this board can be more open and relaxed about discussing the pros and cons which is really the benefit of a board. > <<how many fillings do you have?>> > > , > I had many fillings as a kid...... prior to learning proper home care/cleaning techniques. But, I have not had a single cavity since reaching adulthood, when I learned and started employing the hygeine routine of proper brushing and flossing. I've also raised three healthy (and NT) boys, currently age 23, 20 and 16, who have never had a single cavity...... despite a diet that did include some sugar and flour, etc, over the years...... and without fluoride of any kind..... ever. Katera has also never had a cavity...... although she has the benefit of good hygeine AND a healthy diet, without a speck of sugar in the last five of her seven years and very little before that. > > You said: > <<i don't really brush my teeth that often either>> > > I'd have to conclude that you're very lucky. I'd hate to see anyone decide to stop brushing/flossing, and eliminate honey instead...... if their goal is avoiding dental decay. I hope you see a dentist regularly. > > Patti > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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