Warning for Prostate Cancer Patients

[Guest guest]

Reported January 11, 2007

Warning for Prostate Cancer Patients

By Rebekah Addy, Ivanhoe Health Correspondent

ORLANDO, Fla. (Ivanhoe Newswire) -- Every 2.5 minutes, a man will be

told he has prostate cancer.

Every 17 minutes, a man will die from prostate cancer.

A new study reveals being overweight or gaining weight as an adult

increases the likelihood of men dying from prostate cancer. On the

other hand, the research does not reveal a connection between obesity

and developing prostate cancer.

Onik, M.D., a prostate cancer specialist from Florida Hospital in

Celebration, Fla., believes the reason for the association with obesity

and dying but not obesity and developing the disease could likely be

attributed to a hormonal factor. Hormonal changes are prone to increase

the aggressiveness of the cancer, he told Ivanhoe.

Researchers from the National Cancer Institute in Bethesda, Md., studied

287,760 men between the age 50 and 71 and found those who were

overweight -- having a body mass index (BMI) of 25 to 29.9 -- were

25-percent more likely to die of prostate cancer. Those who were mildly

obese -- BMI of 30 to 34.9 -- were 46-percent more likely to die than

those who were not overweight. Men who were severely obese -- BMI

greater than 35 -- had a doubled risk of dying from prostate cancer.

So what can prostate cancer patients do to better their odds? Dr. Onik

suggests cutting out meats and changing to more of a Mediterranean-type

diet by including foods like fish and olive oil.

For the entire article:

http://www.ivanhoe.com/channels/p_channelstory.cfm?storyid=15295

Rising Weight Increases Risk of Prostate Cancer Death

By Judith Groch, Senior Writer, MedPage Today

Reviewed by Zalman S. Agus, MD; Emeritus Professor at the University of

Pennsylvania School of Medicine.

January 10, 2007

Additional Prostate Cancer Coverage

BETHESDA, Md., Jan. 10 -- For men who have prostate cancer, extra

poundage may increase the risk of dying from an aggressive form of it,

according to investigators here.

Action Points

* Explain to interested patients that this study found that being

obese or gaining weight increases the risk of a man dying from prostate

cancer.

In a prospective study of almost 300,000 men, of whom nearly 10,000

developed prostate cancer, a rising body mass index (BMI) and

significant adult weight gain -- 44 to 88 pounds from age 18 to the

study's baseline -- were paralleled by a risk of death, found Margaret

, Ph.D., of the National Cancer Institute, and colleagues.

However, neither being overweight nor obese was associated with

developing the malignancy in the first place, they reported online in

advance of the Feb. 15 issue of Cancer.

" BMI and adult weight gain each were linked with higher prostate cancer

mortality, strongly suggesting that adiposity is related adversely to

prostate cancer progression leading to death, " they wrote.

Compared with normal-weight men, overly obese men (BMI ?35 kg/m2) had

twice the risk of dying of prostate cancer, while men who had gained

significant amounts of weight since the age of 18 also had an increased

risk of a fatal outcome.

After adjusting for confounding factors, men who gained 20 kg to 40 kg

or more between age 18 and the study baseline had increasing relative

risks of prostate cancer mortality, ranging from 1.74 to 2.98 (P for

trend .009).

Although the relationship between adiposity and prostate cancer rates

have been studied extensively, the results remain inconclusive, said

Dr, and colleagues. Hormonal changes, they wrote, may be

involved in both incidence and mortality.

snip

An important potential explanation of the inverse relationship of

obesity and prostate cancer incidence, they pointed out, is detection

bias.

" Our study was initiated after the widespread introduction of PSA

testing in the United States, " they wrote. " We observed that the

proportion of men who reported PSA and/or digital rectal examination

testing prior to baseline declined across increasing BMI levels,

suggesting lower prostate cancer detection rates because of less

frequent screening among obese men compared with lean men. "

" Furthermore, studies have shown that prostate cancer is more difficult

to detect in obese men because of a combination of lower serum PSA

levels, fewer abnormal digital rectal examination findings, and larger

prostate sizes than lean individuals. "

Limitations of the study, the researchers said, include the short period

of follow-up, the possibility of undiagnosed prostate cancer at baseline

because of slow tumor growth rates, and the lack of information on

Gleason scores, an important clinical variable that predicts survival.

For the entire article:

http://www.medpagetoday.com/HematologyOncology/ProstateCancer/tb/4835

[Guest guest]

I suspect this shows the difficulty of proving a cause and effect

relationship as opposed to a high correlation. If hot dog eaters were

found to have a high incidence of some strange disease, it might be

discovered later that mustard was the culprit.

I suspect it is the foods that the obese people generally eat to

become obese, as opposed to the fact that they are obese.

I'm a patient of Dr. Myers, and he is a strong advocate of the effect

of diet on prostate cancer. He told me that in a test tube, an acid

found in red meat and dairy fat fuels the growth of prostate cancer as

fast as testosterone. He also stated that if one gets advanced

prostate cancer into remission, a standard high meat and high fat diet

can result in the cancer coming back. Those comments haunt me every

time I get the urge to have a Big Mac.

He has me on the Mediterrenean Heart Diet. It basically involves the

elimination of red meat and dairy fat, along with substituting olive

oil for other oils.

Craig

>

> Reported January 11, 2007

> Warning for Prostate Cancer Patients

>

> By Rebekah Addy, Ivanhoe Health Correspondent

>

> ORLANDO, Fla. (Ivanhoe Newswire) -- Every 2.5 minutes, a man will be

> told he has prostate cancer.

>

> Every 17 minutes, a man will die from prostate cancer.

>

> A new study reveals being overweight or gaining weight as an adult

> increases the likelihood of men dying from prostate cancer. On the

> other hand, the research does not reveal a connection between obesity

> and developing prostate cancer.

>

> Onik, M.D., a prostate cancer specialist from Florida Hospital in

> Celebration, Fla., believes the reason for the association with obesity

> and dying but not obesity and developing the disease could likely be

> attributed to a hormonal factor. Hormonal changes are prone to increase

> the aggressiveness of the cancer, he told Ivanhoe.

>

> Researchers from the National Cancer Institute in Bethesda, Md., studied

> 287,760 men between the age 50 and 71 and found those who were

> overweight -- having a body mass index (BMI) of 25 to 29.9 -- were

> 25-percent more likely to die of prostate cancer. Those who were mildly

> obese -- BMI of 30 to 34.9 -- were 46-percent more likely to die than

> those who were not overweight. Men who were severely obese -- BMI

> greater than 35 -- had a doubled risk of dying from prostate cancer.

>

> So what can prostate cancer patients do to better their odds? Dr. Onik

> suggests cutting out meats and changing to more of a Mediterranean-type

> diet by including foods like fish and olive oil.

>

> For the entire article:

>

> http://www.ivanhoe.com/channels/p_channelstory.cfm?storyid=15295

>

> Rising Weight Increases Risk of Prostate Cancer Death

>

>

> By Judith Groch, Senior Writer, MedPage Today

> Reviewed by Zalman S. Agus, MD; Emeritus Professor at the University of

> Pennsylvania School of Medicine.

> January 10, 2007

> Additional Prostate Cancer Coverage

>

>

> BETHESDA, Md., Jan. 10 -- For men who have prostate cancer, extra

> poundage may increase the risk of dying from an aggressive form of it,

> according to investigators here.

> Action Points

>

> * Explain to interested patients that this study found that being

> obese or gaining weight increases the risk of a man dying from prostate

> cancer.

>

> In a prospective study of almost 300,000 men, of whom nearly 10,000

> developed prostate cancer, a rising body mass index (BMI) and

> significant adult weight gain -- 44 to 88 pounds from age 18 to the

> study's baseline -- were paralleled by a risk of death, found Margaret

> , Ph.D., of the National Cancer Institute, and colleagues.

>

> However, neither being overweight nor obese was associated with

> developing the malignancy in the first place, they reported online in

> advance of the Feb. 15 issue of Cancer.

>

> " BMI and adult weight gain each were linked with higher prostate cancer

> mortality, strongly suggesting that adiposity is related adversely to

> prostate cancer progression leading to death, " they wrote.

>

> Compared with normal-weight men, overly obese men (BMI ?35 kg/m2) had

> twice the risk of dying of prostate cancer, while men who had gained

> significant amounts of weight since the age of 18 also had an increased

> risk of a fatal outcome.

>

> After adjusting for confounding factors, men who gained 20 kg to 40 kg

> or more between age 18 and the study baseline had increasing relative

> risks of prostate cancer mortality, ranging from 1.74 to 2.98 (P for

> trend .009).

>

> Although the relationship between adiposity and prostate cancer rates

> have been studied extensively, the results remain inconclusive, said

> Dr, and colleagues. Hormonal changes, they wrote, may be

> involved in both incidence and mortality.

>

> snip

>

> An important potential explanation of the inverse relationship of

> obesity and prostate cancer incidence, they pointed out, is detection

> bias.

>

> " Our study was initiated after the widespread introduction of PSA

> testing in the United States, " they wrote. " We observed that the

> proportion of men who reported PSA and/or digital rectal examination

> testing prior to baseline declined across increasing BMI levels,

> suggesting lower prostate cancer detection rates because of less

> frequent screening among obese men compared with lean men. "

>

> " Furthermore, studies have shown that prostate cancer is more difficult

> to detect in obese men because of a combination of lower serum PSA

> levels, fewer abnormal digital rectal examination findings, and larger

> prostate sizes than lean individuals. "

>

> Limitations of the study, the researchers said, include the short period

> of follow-up, the possibility of undiagnosed prostate cancer at baseline

> because of slow tumor growth rates, and the lack of information on

> Gleason scores, an important clinical variable that predicts survival.

>

> For the entire article:

>

> http://www.medpagetoday.com/HematologyOncology/ProstateCancer/tb/4835

>

[Guest guest]

Craig - I couldn't agree more!Though not a patient of Snuffy's, I have been on a self imposed low-fat diet since I was diagnosed in Feb '05. The FDA recommends 65 grams of fat in a standard 'low fat' diet. I have kept mine to 25 grams or below for two years.The result (combined with exercise) is a loss 60 pounds and an unbelievable change in my health. As I've said before I now live a life of irony: I feel like a million bucks but inside my body lives a terminal cancer.Here are two very good dietary resources I found some time ago:http://www.flhw.org/PCF_Nutrition_Guide.pdfhttp://www.flhw.org/healthyeating.htmWhat frustrates me is the lack of knowledge,

or the unwillingness of most American doctors to use or recommend dietary changes.Virtually every doctor I have seen, when hearing what I have done responds with "That sounds good, everything in moderation, yada, yada, yada". The response must be drilled in their head in med school! Medicine today involves inspection, testing and a prescription pad!!!My rant is over.....back to my snack of carrots, apples and no-fat yogurt!!!! EmersonFaith-Love-Hope-Winwww.flhw.org"the Big C" Re: Warning for Prostate Cancer Patients I suspect this shows the difficulty of proving a cause and effect relationship as opposed to a high correlation. If hot dog eaters were found to have a high incidence of some strange disease, it might be discovered later that mustard was the culprit. I suspect it is the foods that the obese people generally eat to become obese, as opposed to the fact

that they are obese. I'm a patient of Dr. Myers, and he is a strong advocate of the effect of diet on prostate cancer. He told me that in a test tube, an acid found in red meat and dairy fat fuels the growth of prostate cancer as fast as testosterone. He also stated that if one gets advanced prostate cancer into remission, a standard high meat and high fat diet can result in the cancer coming back. Those comments haunt me every time I get the urge to have a Big Mac. He has me on the Mediterrenean Heart Diet. It basically involves the elimination of red meat and dairy fat, along with substituting olive oil for other oils. Craig > > Reported January 11, 2007 > Warning for Prostate Cancer Patients > > By

Rebekah Addy, Ivanhoe Health Correspondent > > ORLANDO, Fla. (Ivanhoe Newswire) -- Every 2.5 minutes, a man will be > told he has prostate cancer. > > Every 17 minutes, a man will die from prostate cancer. > > A new study reveals being overweight or gaining weight as an adult > increases the likelihood of men dying from prostate cancer. On the > other hand, the research does not reveal a connection between obesity > and developing prostate cancer. > > Onik, M.D., a prostate cancer specialist from Florida Hospital in > Celebration, Fla., believes the reason for the association with obesity > and dying but not obesity and developing the disease could likely be > attributed to a hormonal factor. Hormonal changes are prone to increase > the aggressiveness of the cancer, he told Ivanhoe. > > Researchers from the National Cancer Institute in

Bethesda, Md., studied > 287,760 men between the age 50 and 71 and found those who were > overweight -- having a body mass index (BMI) of 25 to 29.9 -- were > 25-percent more likely to die of prostate cancer. Those who were mildly > obese -- BMI of 30 to 34.9 -- were 46-percent more likely to die than > those who were not overweight. Men who were severely obese -- BMI > greater than 35 -- had a doubled risk of dying from prostate cancer. > > So what can prostate cancer patients do to better their odds? Dr. Onik > suggests cutting out meats and changing to more of a Mediterranean- type > diet by including foods like fish and olive oil. > > For the entire article: > > http://www.ivanhoe. com/channels/ p_channelstory. cfm?storyid= 15295 > > Rising Weight

Increases Risk of Prostate Cancer Death > > > By Judith Groch, Senior Writer, MedPage Today > Reviewed by Zalman S. Agus, MD; Emeritus Professor at the University of > Pennsylvania School of Medicine. > January 10, 2007 > Additional Prostate Cancer Coverage > > > BETHESDA, Md., Jan. 10 -- For men who have prostate cancer, extra > poundage may increase the risk of dying from an aggressive form of it, > according to investigators here. > Action Points > > * Explain to interested patients that this study found that being > obese or gaining weight increases the risk of a man dying from prostate > cancer. > > In a prospective study of almost 300,000 men, of whom nearly 10,000 > developed prostate cancer, a rising body mass index (BMI) and > significant adult weight gain -- 44 to 88 pounds from age 18 to the >

study's baseline -- were paralleled by a risk of death, found Margaret > , Ph.D., of the National Cancer Institute, and colleagues. > > However, neither being overweight nor obese was associated with > developing the malignancy in the first place, they reported online in > advance of the Feb. 15 issue of Cancer. > > "BMI and adult weight gain each were linked with higher prostate cancer > mortality, strongly suggesting that adiposity is related adversely to > prostate cancer progression leading to death," they wrote. > > Compared with normal-weight men, overly obese men (BMI ?35 kg/m2) had > twice the risk of dying of prostate cancer, while men who had gained > significant amounts of weight since the age of 18 also had an increased > risk of a fatal outcome. > > After adjusting for confounding factors, men who gained 20 kg to 40 kg > or more

between age 18 and the study baseline had increasing relative > risks of prostate cancer mortality, ranging from 1.74 to 2.98 (P for > trend .009). > > Although the relationship between adiposity and prostate cancer rates > have been studied extensively, the results remain inconclusive, said > Dr, and colleagues. Hormonal changes, they wrote, may be > involved in both incidence and mortality. > > snip > > An important potential explanation of the inverse relationship of > obesity and prostate cancer incidence, they pointed out, is detection > bias. > > "Our study was initiated after the widespread introduction of PSA > testing in the United States," they wrote. "We observed that the > proportion of men who reported PSA and/or digital rectal examination > testing prior to baseline declined across increasing BMI levels, > suggesting

lower prostate cancer detection rates because of less > frequent screening among obese men compared with lean men." > > "Furthermore, studies have shown that prostate cancer is more difficult > to detect in obese men because of a combination of lower serum PSA > levels, fewer abnormal digital rectal examination findings, and larger > prostate sizes than lean individuals. " > > Limitations of the study, the researchers said, include the short period > of follow-up, the possibility of undiagnosed prostate cancer at baseline > because of slow tumor growth rates, and the lack of information on > Gleason scores, an important clinical variable that predicts survival. > > For the entire article: > > http://www.medpaget oday.com/ HematologyOncolo gy/ProstateCance

r/tb/4835 >

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for posting these links. The first one in particular

puts a lot of detail around info that I have been putting together in

bits and pieces. And from a highly credible source.

Interestingly, part of my treatment from Dr. Myers consists of

supplements which echo the dietary recommendations in that paper along

with a few still in question: Selenium, soy isoflavones, vitamins e

and d, and lycopene. The only high dosage is fish oil.

He didn't say anything about green tea, though I have substituted it

for coffee. Doing so has also eliminated the creamer from my diet.

I'm certainly going to add tomatoes to my diet, particulaly stewed

tomatoes, which I like anyway. The problem with brocoli is that it is

much more palatable doused with butter or cheese to drown out the flavor.

I've also been pleasantly surprised at the quality and flavor of

ground turkey as a ground beef substitute. It works very well in

spaghetti sauce and the like. Dr. Myers pointed me to turkey sausage,

which- believe it or not- is excellent.

Another paper I read put similar recommendations into plain English:

Your dinner plate should be covered 2/3 by fruits and vegetables, or

as much more as you can stand.

I'm glad your frustration with the lack of dietary recommendations

from doctors has made you vocal about it.

My frustration, or on a more positive note, amazement- is the lack of

knowledge of treatments for advanced prostate cancer. The hospital

doctor, my oncologist, my urologist, and my radiologist all told me

the same thing: my stage IV prostate cancer is incurable. I could

take hormone therapy until it fails, then chemo until it fails. I

would get pallative (comfort maximing) treatment, then I would die.

The hospital doctor gave me a booklet " proving " all of this.

Dr. Myers made no bones about the fact that he is going for remission,

not pallative care. He said he has approximately 2,000 patients,

mostly with advanced PC. 30 died last year. He seems to be a

researcher more than anything else. His " alternative " treatments are

all based on research studies and in my case involve alternative uses

of existing medications.

The proof is in the pudding. We'll see how long I live or if I go

into remission as he and I hope. But so far my PSA has dropped from

1350 to 136 in about 4 months- after hormone treatment failed. And my

treatment has a 78% response rate.

His message was not to give up hope. I'm still playing the lottery,

but he's throwing everything at me to maximize my odds. He introduced

me to a patient in the waiting room who has been in remission for a

year with an undetectable PSA who started his treatment in bad shape.

If my treatment works long term, I'll be shouting my mantra to keep

hope alive, and for God's sake to increase the knowledge of doctors

ASAP. I guess I was just too stupid or honery to listen to the other

doctors and to sit around and wait to die.

Craig

> >

> > Reported January 11, 2007

> > Warning for Prostate Cancer Patients

> >

> > By Rebekah Addy, Ivanhoe Health Correspondent

> >

> > ORLANDO, Fla. (Ivanhoe Newswire) -- Every 2.5 minutes, a man will be

> > told he has prostate cancer.

> >

> > Every 17 minutes, a man will die from prostate cancer.

> >

> > A new study reveals being overweight or gaining weight as an adult

> > increases the likelihood of men dying from prostate cancer. On the

> > other hand, the research does not reveal a connection between obesity

> > and developing prostate cancer.

> >

> > Onik, M.D., a prostate cancer specialist from Florida

Hospital in

> > Celebration, Fla., believes the reason for the association with

obesity

> > and dying but not obesity and developing the disease could likely be

> > attributed to a hormonal factor. Hormonal changes are prone to

increase

> > the aggressiveness of the cancer, he told Ivanhoe.

> >

> > Researchers from the National Cancer Institute in Bethesda, Md.,

studied

> > 287,760 men between the age 50 and 71 and found those who were

> > overweight -- having a body mass index (BMI) of 25 to 29.9 -- were

> > 25-percent more likely to die of prostate cancer. Those who were

mildly

> > obese -- BMI of 30 to 34.9 -- were 46-percent more likely to die than

> > those who were not overweight. Men who were severely obese -- BMI

> > greater than 35 -- had a doubled risk of dying from prostate cancer.

> >

> > So what can prostate cancer patients do to better their odds? Dr.

Onik

> > suggests cutting out meats and changing to more of a

Mediterranean- type

> > diet by including foods like fish and olive oil.

> >

> > For the entire article:

> >

> > http://www.ivanhoe. com/channels/ p_channelstory. cfm?storyid= 15295

> >

> > Rising Weight Increases Risk of Prostate Cancer Death

> >

> >

> > By Judith Groch, Senior Writer, MedPage Today

> > Reviewed by Zalman S. Agus, MD; Emeritus Professor at the

University of

> > Pennsylvania School of Medicine.

> > January 10, 2007

> > Additional Prostate Cancer Coverage

> >

> >

> > BETHESDA, Md., Jan. 10 -- For men who have prostate cancer, extra

> > poundage may increase the risk of dying from an aggressive form

of it,

> > according to investigators here.

> > Action Points

> >

> > * Explain to interested patients that this study found that being

> > obese or gaining weight increases the risk of a man dying from

prostate

> > cancer.

> >

> > In a prospective study of almost 300,000 men, of whom nearly 10,000

> > developed prostate cancer, a rising body mass index (BMI) and

> > significant adult weight gain -- 44 to 88 pounds from age 18 to the

> > study's baseline -- were paralleled by a risk of death, found

Margaret

> > , Ph.D., of the National Cancer Institute, and colleagues.

> >

> > However, neither being overweight nor obese was associated with

> > developing the malignancy in the first place, they reported online in

> > advance of the Feb. 15 issue of Cancer.

> >

> > " BMI and adult weight gain each were linked with higher prostate

cancer

> > mortality, strongly suggesting that adiposity is related adversely to

> > prostate cancer progression leading to death, " they wrote.

> >

> > Compared with normal-weight men, overly obese men (BMI ?35 kg/m2) had

> > twice the risk of dying of prostate cancer, while men who had gained

> > significant amounts of weight since the age of 18 also had an

increased

> > risk of a fatal outcome.

> >

> > After adjusting for confounding factors, men who gained 20 kg to

40 kg

> > or more between age 18 and the study baseline had increasing relative

> > risks of prostate cancer mortality, ranging from 1.74 to 2.98 (P for

> > trend .009).

> >

> > Although the relationship between adiposity and prostate cancer rates

> > have been studied extensively, the results remain inconclusive, said

> > Dr, and colleagues. Hormonal changes, they wrote, may be

> > involved in both incidence and mortality.

> >

> > snip

> >

> > An important potential explanation of the inverse relationship of

> > obesity and prostate cancer incidence, they pointed out, is detection

> > bias.

> >

> > " Our study was initiated after the widespread introduction of PSA

> > testing in the United States, " they wrote. " We observed that the

> > proportion of men who reported PSA and/or digital rectal examination

> > testing prior to baseline declined across increasing BMI levels,

> > suggesting lower prostate cancer detection rates because of less

> > frequent screening among obese men compared with lean men. "

> >

> > " Furthermore, studies have shown that prostate cancer is more

difficult

> > to detect in obese men because of a combination of lower serum PSA

> > levels, fewer abnormal digital rectal examination findings, and

larger

> > prostate sizes than lean individuals. "

> >

> > Limitations of the study, the researchers said, include the short

period

> > of follow-up, the possibility of undiagnosed prostate cancer at

baseline

> > because of slow tumor growth rates, and the lack of information on

> > Gleason scores, an important clinical variable that predicts

survival.

> >

> > For the entire article:

> >

> > http://www.medpaget oday.com/ HematologyOncolo gy/ProstateCance

r/tb/4835

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Good Luck Craig.

Your " stubborn fight " is inspirational.

Abe-)

[Guest guest]

There’s an amusing bit on the

subject of correlation that someone contributed to the TROOP-C section of the YANA – You Are Not Alone Now at

http://www.yananow.net site at http://www.yananow.net/troopc.htm#bread

All the best

Terry Herbert

in Melbourne Australia

Diagnosed ‘96: Age 54: Stage T2b: PSA 7.2: Gleason

3+3=6: No treatment. June '04: TURP. Nov '06 PSA 31.4

My site is at www.prostatecancerwatchfulwaiting.co.za

It is a tragedy of the world that no one knows

what he doesn’t know, and the less a man knows, the more sure he is that

he knows everything. Joyce Carey

From:

ProstateCancerSupport

[mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of craig13320

Sent: Friday, 12 January 2007 4:12

AM

To:

ProstateCancerSupport

Subject:

Re: Warning for Prostate Cancer Patients

I suspect this shows the difficulty of proving a cause

and effect

relationship as opposed to a high correlation. If hot dog eaters were

found to have a high incidence of some strange disease, it might be

discovered later that mustard was the culprit.

I suspect it is the foods that the obese people generally eat to

become obese, as opposed to the fact that they are obese.

I'm a patient of Dr. Myers, and he is a strong advocate of the effect

of diet on prostate cancer. He told me that in a test tube, an acid

found in red meat and dairy fat fuels the growth of prostate cancer as

fast as testosterone. He also stated that if one gets advanced

prostate cancer into remission, a standard high meat and high fat diet

can result in the cancer coming back. Those comments haunt me every

time I get the urge to have a Big Mac.

He has me on the Mediterrenean Heart Diet. It basically involves the

elimination of red meat and dairy fat, along with substituting olive

oil for other oils.

Craig

>

> Reported January 11, 2007

> Warning for Prostate Cancer Patients

>

> By Rebekah Addy, Ivanhoe Health Correspondent

>

> ORLANDO, Fla. (Ivanhoe Newswire) -- Every 2.5

minutes, a man will be

> told he has prostate cancer.

>

> Every 17 minutes, a man will die from prostate cancer.

>

> A new study reveals being overweight or gaining weight as an adult

> increases the likelihood of men dying from prostate cancer. On the

> other hand, the research does not reveal a connection between obesity

> and developing prostate cancer.

>

> Onik, M.D., a prostate cancer specialist from Florida Hospital

in

> Celebration, Fla.,

believes the reason for the association with obesity

> and dying but not obesity and developing the disease could likely be

> attributed to a hormonal factor. Hormonal changes are prone to increase

> the aggressiveness of the cancer, he told Ivanhoe.

>

> Researchers from the National Cancer Institute in Bethesda, Md.,

studied

> 287,760 men between the age 50 and 71 and found those who were

> overweight -- having a body mass index (BMI) of 25 to 29.9 -- were

> 25-percent more likely to die of prostate cancer. Those who were mildly

> obese -- BMI of 30 to 34.9 -- were 46-percent more likely to die than

> those who were not overweight. Men who were severely obese -- BMI

> greater than 35 -- had a doubled risk of dying from prostate cancer.

>

> So what can prostate cancer patients do to better their odds? Dr. Onik

> suggests cutting out meats and changing to more of a Mediterranean-type

> diet by including foods like fish and olive oil.

>

> For the entire article:

>

> http://www.ivanhoe.com/channels/p_channelstory.cfm?storyid=15295

>

> Rising Weight Increases Risk of Prostate Cancer Death

>

>

> By Judith Groch, Senior Writer, MedPage Today

> Reviewed by Zalman S. Agus, MD; Emeritus Professor at the University of

> Pennsylvania

School of Medicine.

> January 10, 2007

> Additional Prostate Cancer Coverage

>

>

> BETHESDA, Md., Jan. 10 -- For men who have prostate

cancer, extra

> poundage may increase the risk of dying from an aggressive form of it,

> according to investigators here.

> Action Points

>

> * Explain to interested patients that this study found that being

> obese or gaining weight increases the risk of a man dying from prostate

> cancer.

>

> In a prospective study of almost 300,000 men, of whom nearly 10,000

> developed prostate cancer, a rising body mass index (BMI) and

> significant adult weight gain -- 44 to 88 pounds from age 18 to the

> study's baseline -- were paralleled by a risk of death, found Margaret

> , Ph.D., of the National Cancer Institute, and colleagues.

>

> However, neither being overweight nor obese was associated with

> developing the malignancy in the first place, they reported online in

> advance of the Feb. 15 issue of Cancer.

>

> " BMI and adult weight gain each were linked with higher prostate

cancer

> mortality, strongly suggesting that adiposity is related adversely to

> prostate cancer progression leading to death, " they wrote.

>

> Compared with normal-weight men, overly obese men (BMI ?35 kg/m2) had

> twice the risk of dying of prostate cancer, while men who had gained

> significant amounts of weight since the age of 18 also had an increased

> risk of a fatal outcome.

>

> After adjusting for confounding factors, men who gained 20 kg to 40 kg

> or more between age 18 and the study baseline had increasing relative

> risks of prostate cancer mortality, ranging from 1.74 to 2.98 (P for

> trend .009).

>

> Although the relationship between adiposity and prostate cancer rates

> have been studied extensively, the results remain inconclusive, said

> Dr, and colleagues. Hormonal changes, they wrote, may be

> involved in both incidence and mortality.

>

> snip

>

> An important potential explanation of the inverse relationship of

> obesity and prostate cancer incidence, they pointed out, is detection

> bias.

>

> " Our study was initiated after the widespread introduction of PSA

> testing in the United

States, " they wrote. " We observed

that the

> proportion of men who reported PSA and/or digital rectal examination

> testing prior to baseline declined across increasing BMI levels,

> suggesting lower prostate cancer detection rates because of less

> frequent screening among obese men compared with lean men. "

>

> " Furthermore, studies have shown that prostate cancer is more

difficult

> to detect in obese men because of a combination of lower serum PSA

> levels, fewer abnormal digital rectal examination findings, and larger

> prostate sizes than lean individuals. "

>

> Limitations of the study, the researchers said, include the short period

> of follow-up, the possibility of undiagnosed prostate cancer at baseline

> because of slow tumor growth rates, and the lack of information on

> Gleason scores, an important clinical variable that predicts survival.

>

> For the entire article:

>

> http://www.medpagetoday.com/HematologyOncology/ProstateCancer/tb/4835

>

[Guest guest]

One of the doctors I saw in the US, who

had become very interested in diet and potential health benefits said that he

had calculated that he had spent less than 18 hours on the subject in the seven

years of his basic medical qualification – and the matter had never been

mentioned since. Hardly surprising that few doctors even consider the issues.

All the best

Terry Herbert

in Melbourne Australia

Diagnosed ‘96: Age 54: Stage T2b: PSA 7.2: Gleason

3+3=6: No treatment. June '04: TURP. Nov '06 PSA 31.4

My site is at www.prostatecancerwatchfulwaiting.co.za

It is a tragedy of the world that no one

knows what he doesn’t know, and the less a man knows, the more sure he is

that he knows everything. Joyce Carey

From:

ProstateCancerSupport [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ]

On Behalf Of Emerson

Sent: Friday, 12 January 2007 4:31

AM

To:

ProstateCancerSupport

Subject: Re:

Re: Warning for Prostate Cancer Patients

Craig - I couldn't agree more!

Though not a patient of Snuffy's, I have been on a self imposed low-fat diet

since I was diagnosed in Feb '05.

The FDA recommends 65 grams of fat in a standard 'low fat' diet. I have

kept mine to 25 grams or below for two years.

The result (combined with exercise) is a loss 60 pounds and an unbelievable

change in my health. As I've said before I now live a life of irony: I

feel like a million bucks but inside my body lives a terminal cancer.

Here are two very good dietary resources I found some time ago:

http://www.flhw.org/PCF_Nutrition_Guide.pdf

http://www.flhw.org/healthyeating.htm

What frustrates me is the lack of knowledge, or the unwillingness of most

American doctors to use or recommend dietary changes.

Virtually every doctor I have seen, when hearing what I have done

responds with " That sounds good, everything in moderation, yada, yada,

yada " . The response must be drilled in their head in med school!

Medicine today involves inspection, testing and a prescription pad!!!

My rant is over.....back to my snack of carrots, apples and no-fat yogurt!!!!

Emerson

Faith-Love-Hope-Win

www.flhw.org

" the Big C "

Re: Warning for Prostate Cancer Patients

I suspect this shows the difficulty of proving a cause

and effect

relationship as opposed to a high correlation. If hot dog eaters were

found to have a high incidence of some strange disease, it might be

discovered later that mustard was the culprit.

I suspect it is the foods that the obese people generally eat to

become obese, as opposed to the fact that they are obese.

I'm a patient of Dr. Myers, and he is a strong advocate of the effect

of diet on prostate cancer. He told me that in a test tube, an acid

found in red meat and dairy fat fuels the growth of prostate cancer as

fast as testosterone. He also stated that if one gets advanced

prostate cancer into remission, a standard high meat and high fat diet

can result in the cancer coming back. Those comments haunt me every

time I get the urge to have a Big Mac.

He has me on the Mediterrenean Heart Diet. It basically involves the

elimination of red meat and dairy fat, along with substituting olive

oil for other oils.

Craig

>

> Reported January 11, 2007

> Warning for Prostate Cancer Patients

>

> By Rebekah Addy, Ivanhoe Health Correspondent

>

> ORLANDO, Fla. (Ivanhoe Newswire) -- Every 2.5

minutes, a man will be

> told he has prostate cancer.

>

> Every 17 minutes, a man will die from prostate cancer.

>

> A new study reveals being overweight or gaining weight as an adult

> increases the likelihood of men dying from prostate cancer. On the

> other hand, the research does not reveal a connection between obesity

> and developing prostate cancer.

>

> Onik, M.D., a prostate cancer specialist from Florida Hospital

in

> Celebration, Fla.,

believes the reason for the association with obesity

> and dying but not obesity and developing the disease could likely be

> attributed to a hormonal factor. Hormonal changes are prone to increase

> the aggressiveness of the cancer, he told Ivanhoe.

>

> Researchers from the National Cancer Institute in Bethesda, Md.,

studied

> 287,760 men between the age 50 and 71 and found those who were

> overweight -- having a body mass index (BMI) of 25 to 29.9 -- were

> 25-percent more likely to die of prostate cancer. Those who were mildly

> obese -- BMI of 30 to 34.9 -- were 46-percent more likely to die than

> those who were not overweight. Men who were severely obese -- BMI

> greater than 35 -- had a doubled risk of dying from prostate cancer.

>

> So what can prostate cancer patients do to better their odds? Dr. Onik

> suggests cutting out meats and changing to more of a Mediterranean-

type

> diet by including foods like fish and olive oil.

>

> For the entire article:

>

> http://www.ivanhoe. com/channels/ p_channelstory. cfm?storyid=

15295

>

> Rising Weight Increases Risk of Prostate Cancer Death

>

>

> By Judith Groch, Senior Writer, MedPage Today

> Reviewed by Zalman S. Agus, MD; Emeritus Professor at the University of

> Pennsylvania

School of Medicine.

> January 10, 2007

> Additional Prostate Cancer Coverage

>

>

> BETHESDA, Md., Jan. 10 -- For men who have prostate

cancer, extra

> poundage may increase the risk of dying from an aggressive form of it,

> according to investigators here.

> Action Points

>

> * Explain to interested patients that this study found that being

> obese or gaining weight increases the risk of a man dying from prostate

> cancer.

>

> In a prospective study of almost 300,000 men, of whom nearly 10,000

> developed prostate cancer, a rising body mass index (BMI) and

> significant adult weight gain -- 44 to 88 pounds from age 18 to the

> study's baseline -- were paralleled by a risk of death, found Margaret

> , Ph.D., of the National Cancer Institute, and colleagues.

>

> However, neither being overweight nor obese was associated with

> developing the malignancy in the first place, they reported online in

> advance of the Feb. 15 issue of Cancer.

>

> " BMI and adult weight gain each were linked with higher prostate

cancer

> mortality, strongly suggesting that adiposity is related adversely to

> prostate cancer progression leading to death, " they wrote.

>

> Compared with normal-weight men, overly obese men (BMI ?35 kg/m2) had

> twice the risk of dying of prostate cancer, while men who had gained

> significant amounts of weight since the age of 18 also had an increased

> risk of a fatal outcome.

>

> After adjusting for confounding factors, men who gained 20 kg to 40 kg

> or more between age 18 and the study baseline had increasing relative

> risks of prostate cancer mortality, ranging from 1.74 to 2.98 (P for

> trend .009).

>

> Although the relationship between adiposity and prostate cancer rates

> have been studied extensively, the results remain inconclusive, said

> Dr, and colleagues. Hormonal changes, they wrote, may be

> involved in both incidence and mortality.

>

> snip

>

> An important potential explanation of the inverse relationship of

> obesity and prostate cancer incidence, they pointed out, is detection

> bias.

>

> " Our study was initiated after the widespread introduction of PSA

> testing in the United

States, " they wrote. " We observed

that the

> proportion of men who reported PSA and/or digital rectal examination

> testing prior to baseline declined across increasing BMI levels,

> suggesting lower prostate cancer detection rates because of less

> frequent screening among obese men compared with lean men. "

>

> " Furthermore, studies have shown that prostate cancer is more

difficult

> to detect in obese men because of a combination of lower serum PSA

> levels, fewer abnormal digital rectal examination findings, and larger

> prostate sizes than lean individuals. "

>

> Limitations of the study, the researchers said, include the short period

> of follow-up, the possibility of undiagnosed prostate cancer at baseline

> because of slow tumor growth rates, and the lack of information on

> Gleason scores, an important clinical variable that predicts survival.

>

> For the entire article:

>

> http://www.medpaget oday.com/ HematologyOncolo gy/ProstateCance

r/tb/4835

>

[Guest guest]

In response to:" Your dinner plate should be covered 2/3 by fruits and vegetables, or as much more as you can stand."Different meal, same purpose/goal:For breakfast I have the following 5 days a week (I need a little variety on the weekends).It's loaded with calories and carbs, but they are good ones! Plus, I have this after a 45 minute work out.I encourage you to try it! After nearly 5 a week for two years I still love it!DAVID's POWER SMOOTHIE!Ingredients:6 T Dannon no fat vanilla or strawberry yogurt1 cup blueberries1 cup sliced strawberries8 ounces pomegranate juice2 Scoops of powdered Iso-Soy (Vanilla)1 frozen banana Directions:1. Put strawberries and blueberries in blender2. Add yogurt, Iso-Soy and juice3. Blend

on low setting for 30 - 40 seconds4. While blending, cut frozen banana into small pieces and add through the top of the lid. (Speaking from experience, if you remove the entire lid while blending, you have a smoothie clean up project in the kitchen!)5. After all banana pieces are added, switch setting to high for 30 seconds.Enjoy!!!!!Yield: aprox 16ozCalories 456, Carbs 81, Fat 5.8, Fiber 21.6, Protein 41.9 EmersonFaith-Love-Hope-Winwww.flhw.org"the Big C" Re: Warning for Prostate Cancer Patients Thanks so much for posting these links. The first one in particular puts a lot of detail around info that I have been putting together in bits and pieces. And from a highly credible source. Interestingly, part of my treatment from Dr. Myers consists of supplements which echo the dietary recommendations in that paper along with a few still in question: Selenium, soy

isoflavones, vitamins e and d, and lycopene. The only high dosage is fish oil. He didn't say anything about green tea, though I have substituted it for coffee. Doing so has also eliminated the creamer from my diet. I'm certainly going to add tomatoes to my diet, particulaly stewed tomatoes, which I like anyway. The problem with brocoli is that it is much more palatable doused with butter or cheese to drown out the flavor. I've also been pleasantly surprised at the quality and flavor of ground turkey as a ground beef substitute. It works very well in spaghetti sauce and the like. Dr. Myers pointed me to turkey sausage, which- believe it or not- is excellent. Another paper I read put similar recommendations into plain English: Your dinner plate should be covered 2/3 by fruits and vegetables, or as much more as you can stand. I'm glad your frustration with the lack of dietary

recommendations from doctors has made you vocal about it. My frustration, or on a more positive note, amazement- is the lack of knowledge of treatments for advanced prostate cancer. The hospital doctor, my oncologist, my urologist, and my radiologist all told me the same thing: my stage IV prostate cancer is incurable. I could take hormone therapy until it fails, then chemo until it fails. I would get pallative (comfort maximing) treatment, then I would die. The hospital doctor gave me a booklet "proving" all of this. Dr. Myers made no bones about the fact that he is going for remission, not pallative care. He said he has approximately 2,000 patients, mostly with advanced PC. 30 died last year. He seems to be a researcher more than anything else. His "alternative" treatments are all based on research studies and in my case involve alternative uses of existing medications. The proof is in the

pudding. We'll see how long I live or if I go into remission as he and I hope. But so far my PSA has dropped from 1350 to 136 in about 4 months- after hormone treatment failed. And my treatment has a 78% response rate. His message was not to give up hope. I'm still playing the lottery, but he's throwing everything at me to maximize my odds. He introduced me to a patient in the waiting room who has been in remission for a year with an undetectable PSA who started his treatment in bad shape. If my treatment works long term, I'll be shouting my mantra to keep hope alive, and for God's sake to increase the knowledge of doctors ASAP. I guess I was just too stupid or honery to listen to the other doctors and to sit around and wait to die. Craig > > > > Reported January 11, 2007 > > Warning for Prostate Cancer Patients > > > > By Rebekah Addy, Ivanhoe Health Correspondent > > > > ORLANDO, Fla. (Ivanhoe Newswire) -- Every 2.5 minutes, a man will be > > told he has prostate cancer. > > > > Every 17 minutes, a man will die from prostate cancer. > > > > A new study reveals being overweight or gaining weight as an adult

> > increases the likelihood of men dying from prostate cancer. On the > > other hand, the research does not reveal a connection between obesity > > and developing prostate cancer. > > > > Onik, M.D., a prostate cancer specialist from Florida Hospital in > > Celebration, Fla., believes the reason for the association with obesity > > and dying but not obesity and developing the disease could likely be > > attributed to a hormonal factor. Hormonal changes are prone to increase > > the aggressiveness of the cancer, he told Ivanhoe. > > > > Researchers from the National Cancer Institute in Bethesda, Md., studied > > 287,760 men between the age 50 and 71 and found those who were > > overweight -- having a body mass index (BMI) of 25 to 29.9 -- were > > 25-percent more likely to die of prostate cancer. Those

who were mildly > > obese -- BMI of 30 to 34.9 -- were 46-percent more likely to die than > > those who were not overweight. Men who were severely obese -- BMI > > greater than 35 -- had a doubled risk of dying from prostate cancer. > > > > So what can prostate cancer patients do to better their odds? Dr. Onik > > suggests cutting out meats and changing to more of a Mediterranean- type > > diet by including foods like fish and olive oil. > > > > For the entire article: > > > > http://www.ivanhoe. com/channels/ p_channelstory. cfm?storyid= 15295 > > > > Rising Weight Increases Risk of Prostate Cancer Death > > > > > > By Judith Groch, Senior Writer, MedPage Today > > Reviewed by Zalman S. Agus, MD;

Emeritus Professor at the University of > > Pennsylvania School of Medicine. > > January 10, 2007 > > Additional Prostate Cancer Coverage > > > > > > BETHESDA, Md., Jan. 10 -- For men who have prostate cancer, extra > > poundage may increase the risk of dying from an aggressive form of it, > > according to investigators here. > > Action Points > > > > * Explain to interested patients that this study found that being > > obese or gaining weight increases the risk of a man dying from prostate > > cancer. > > > > In a prospective study of almost 300,000 men, of whom nearly 10,000 > > developed prostate cancer, a rising body mass index (BMI) and > > significant adult weight gain -- 44 to 88 pounds from age 18 to the > > study's baseline -- were paralleled by a

risk of death, found Margaret > > , Ph.D., of the National Cancer Institute, and colleagues. > > > > However, neither being overweight nor obese was associated with > > developing the malignancy in the first place, they reported online in > > advance of the Feb. 15 issue of Cancer. > > > > "BMI and adult weight gain each were linked with higher prostate cancer > > mortality, strongly suggesting that adiposity is related adversely to > > prostate cancer progression leading to death," they wrote. > > > > Compared with normal-weight men, overly obese men (BMI ?35 kg/m2) had > > twice the risk of dying of prostate cancer, while men who had gained > > significant amounts of weight since the age of 18 also had an increased > > risk of a fatal outcome. > > > > After adjusting for

confounding factors, men who gained 20 kg to 40 kg > > or more between age 18 and the study baseline had increasing relative > > risks of prostate cancer mortality, ranging from 1.74 to 2.98 (P for > > trend .009). > > > > Although the relationship between adiposity and prostate cancer rates > > have been studied extensively, the results remain inconclusive, said > > Dr, and colleagues. Hormonal changes, they wrote, may be > > involved in both incidence and mortality. > > > > snip > > > > An important potential explanation of the inverse relationship of > > obesity and prostate cancer incidence, they pointed out, is detection > > bias. > > > > "Our study was initiated after the widespread introduction of PSA > > testing in the United States," they wrote. "We observed that

the > > proportion of men who reported PSA and/or digital rectal examination > > testing prior to baseline declined across increasing BMI levels, > > suggesting lower prostate cancer detection rates because of less > > frequent screening among obese men compared with lean men." > > > > "Furthermore, studies have shown that prostate cancer is more difficult > > to detect in obese men because of a combination of lower serum PSA > > levels, fewer abnormal digital rectal examination findings, and larger > > prostate sizes than lean individuals. " > > > > Limitations of the study, the researchers said, include the short period > > of follow-up, the possibility of undiagnosed prostate cancer at baseline > > because of slow tumor growth rates, and the lack of information on > > Gleason scores, an important

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