Re: meds and supplements

[Guest guest]

Leyna and others,

I think Bindi mentioned that 5HTP was probably not a good idea if your

on antidepressants. That's a yes...it shouldn't be combined with those

medications. An excellent medication for pain, especially for

fibromyalgia pain, is Cymbalta. It's an antidepressant which has an

effect on mood, lessens anxiety, helps regulate sleep, and has been

found to be helpful for physical pain as well. I'm not on this, but I

attend a fibromyalgia support group and a number of women have recently

been put on this medication, and all but one felt it was quite helpful!

Website:

http://www.drugs.com/cymbalta.html

[Guest guest]

>

>

>

> Posted by: " Lynda " coss@...

> <mailto:coss@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20meds%20and%20supplements>

> lyndaroth2004 <lyndaroth2004>

>

>

> Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:00 pm (PST)

>

> Cymbalta has some serious side effects. I would check that out.

Respectfully, every substance has the potential for side effects. This

is a prescription medication; this means you must be evaluated by a

physician with experience in using it, usually that's a psychiatrist or

a pain specialist! Everything involves risk. I heard women in the same

fibromyalgia support group report some scary results from using 5HTP

because 'someone' told them it would help them. It affects

neurotransmitters as does Cymbalta as well as many other

antidepressants. The choice, of course, is up to the patient! Not to

be argumentative, and in all humility, I thought all treatment

modalities could be brought up for consideration here. :-)

[Guest guest]

You're right ! Thanks for the reminder. It's good to hear the cautions too - one size definitely does not fit all! Rogene Crocker <dwcrn@...> wrote: >>>> Posted by: "Lynda" cossprivatei> <mailto:cossprivatei?Subject=%20Re%3A%20meds%20and%20supplements>> lyndaroth2004 <lyndaroth2004>>>> Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:00 pm (PST)>> Cymbalta has some serious side effects. I would check that out.Respectfully, every substance has the potential for side effects. This is a prescription medication; this means you must be evaluated by a physician with experience in using it, usually that's a psychiatrist or a pain specialist! Everything involves risk. I heard women in the same fibromyalgia support group report some scary results from using 5HTP because 'someone' told them it would help them. It affects neurotransmitters as does Cymbalta as well as many other antidepressants. The choice, of course, is up to the patient! Not to be argumentative, and in all humility, I thought all treatment modalities could be brought up for consideration here.

:-)

[Guest guest]

brings up an excellent point regarding 5HTP. Women here have

recommended 5HTP to other women to help with pain and sleep. 5HTP affects

the brain. It isn't simply an innocent natural product and does carry side

affects and risks. Natural doesn't mean safe for everyone. When choosing a

product, whether it be a natural one, such as 5HTP or a chemical, such as

Cymbalta, a doctor really needs to be consulted so that the proper lab

testing is done to ensure that you really NEED the substance you are

considering taking. If a doctor doesn't test, he doesn't know if you need

it.

Kenda

>>

>> Cymbalta has some serious side effects. I would check that out.

>

> Respectfully, every substance has the potential for side effects. This

> is a prescription medication; this means you must be evaluated by a

> physician with experience in using it, usually that's a psychiatrist or

> a pain specialist! Everything involves risk. I heard women in the same

> fibromyalgia support group report some scary results from using 5HTP

> because 'someone' told them it would help them. It affects

> neurotransmitters as does Cymbalta as well as many other

> antidepressants. The choice, of course, is up to the patient! Not to

> be argumentative, and in all humility, I thought all treatment

> modalities could be brought up for consideration here. :-)

>

[Guest guest]

,

I'm not on antidepressants. I don't believe in them at all-they are

poison, and very addictive, and the studies done on them are way too

short and inconclusive. People have killed themselves on Cymbalta,

and it was still released to the public! A doctor put me on Prozac,

and then Paxil and Effexor one time for PMS (before my hysterectomy).

Within one week, I had plotted my own suicide and called all my

friends and family, telling them what I was going to do. Quit taking

them and those feelings were gone! I would NEVER take an

antidepressant ever again! And the withdrawals are the worst thing in

the world-I had to take a 3 month leave of absense just to be able to

work again! But, I do agree-you can't take 5-htp or St. 's wort

if you are on them.

>

> Leyna and others,

> I think Bindi mentioned that 5HTP was probably not a good idea if

your

> on antidepressants. That's a yes...it shouldn't be combined with

those

> medications. An excellent medication for pain, especially for

> fibromyalgia pain, is Cymbalta. It's an antidepressant which has

an

> effect on mood, lessens anxiety, helps regulate sleep, and has been

> found to be helpful for physical pain as well. I'm not on this,

but I

> attend a fibromyalgia support group and a number of women have

recently

> been put on this medication, and all but one felt it was quite

helpful!

> Website:

> http://www.drugs.com/cymbalta.html

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's just one of those things were there are different points of

view, and we welcome them all. They help some people, and

definitely aren't great for others. I have taken Xanax from time to

time, because it has really helped the brain fog - and while it's

not an antidepressant, it's still addictive and I do worry about it -

but it's been helpful to me when I needed it.

Sis

> ,

> I'm not on antidepressants. I don't believe in them at all-they

are

> poison, and very addictive, and the studies done on them are way

too

> short and inconclusive. People have killed themselves on Cymbalta,

> and it was still released to the public! A doctor put me on

Prozac,

> and then Paxil and Effexor one time for PMS (before my

hysterectomy).

> Within one week, I had plotted my own suicide and called all my

> friends and family, telling them what I was going to do. Quit

taking

> them and those feelings were gone! I would NEVER take an

> antidepressant ever again! And the withdrawals are the worst thing

in

> the world-I had to take a 3 month leave of absense just to be able

to

> work again! But, I do agree-you can't take 5-htp or St. 's

wort

> if you are on them.

> >

> > Leyna and others,

> > I think Bindi mentioned that 5HTP was probably not a good idea

if

> your

> > on antidepressants. That's a yes...it shouldn't be combined

with

> those

> > medications. An excellent medication for pain, especially for

> > fibromyalgia pain, is Cymbalta. It's an antidepressant which

has

> an

> > effect on mood, lessens anxiety, helps regulate sleep, and has

been

> > found to be helpful for physical pain as well. I'm not on this,

> but I

> > attend a fibromyalgia support group and a number of women have

> recently

> > been put on this medication, and all but one felt it was quite

> helpful!

> > Website:

> > http://www.drugs.com/cymbalta.html

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> ,

> I'm not on antidepressants. I don't believe in them at all-they are

> poison, and very addictive, and the studies done on them are way too

> short and inconclusive. People have killed themselves on Cymbalta,

> and it was still released to the public! A doctor put me on Prozac,

> and then Paxil and Effexor one time for PMS (before my hysterectomy).

> Within one week, I had plotted my own suicide>snip<

Leyna, you cannot generalize about a class of medication,

anti-depressants, that has proved to be very effective in the

treatment of difficult and often fatal conditions. You are speaking

for others when you do that, as well as giving misleading and false

information. You _can_ tell me your experience and why _you_ wouldn't

take them again. I worked as a mental health nurse for many years,

and I have seen suicides off and on anti-depressants. Suicide is the

fatal symptom caused by depression. Another symptom of depression is

living a slow hell of an existance. Antidepressants have made a

tremendous difference in both areas. I can tell you my own experience

with depression which started when I was 22 years old with a suicide

attempt, almost successful. At that time I was give electro shock

therapy--it's all they had. After the development of antidepressants,

they proved to be a real life saver for me. I am not 'addicted' to

antidepressants; they do change your neurotransmitters, and you can't

just stop abruptly or the brain gives very unpleasant signals! You

have to taper off. I have done this many times. I'm sure others

could give their experiences with antidepressants.

[Guest guest]

Amen to that, Kenda. Better safe than sorry. An ancient, but true

saying.

Love to All,

Sunny

>

> brings up an excellent point regarding 5HTP. Women here have

> recommended 5HTP to other women to help with pain and sleep. 5HTP

affects

> the brain. It isn't simply an innocent natural product and does

carry side

> affects and risks. Natural doesn't mean safe for everyone. When

choosing a

> product, whether it be a natural one, such as 5HTP or a chemical,

such as

> Cymbalta, a doctor really needs to be consulted so that the proper

lab

> testing is done to ensure that you really NEED the substance you are

> considering taking. If a doctor doesn't test, he doesn't know if

you need

> it.

>

> Kenda

>

>

> >>

> >> Cymbalta has some serious side effects. I would check that out.

> >

> > Respectfully, every substance has the potential for side

effects. This

> > is a prescription medication; this means you must be evaluated by

a

> > physician with experience in using it, usually that's a

psychiatrist or

> > a pain specialist! Everything involves risk. I heard women in

the same

> > fibromyalgia support group report some scary results from using

5HTP

> > because 'someone' told them it would help them. It affects

> > neurotransmitters as does Cymbalta as well as many other

> > antidepressants. The choice, of course, is up to the patient!

Not to

> > be argumentative, and in all humility, I thought all treatment

> > modalities could be brought up for consideration here. :-)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Diane,

Ok, I'm sure that they have helped some people-and yes, I was

speaking about my own experiences with them, and what I have heard

from other people, and read from reliable sources in the past.

My problem with psychiatrists is that they NEVER bother to check WHY

a person is depressed-they just automatically write out their

prescriptions for antidepressants, which I think is WRONG.

For instance...I had a hysterectomy 2 years ago, and was on a

hormone patch. After a few months, I was extremely depressed,

irritable, and having constant panic attacks, and not being able to

sleep at all.

Desperate, I went to a psychiatrist, who of course prescribed

antidepressants-Cymbalta, in fact. I did not take it, deciding to

try one more doctor....my Gynocologist. He took one look at me, did

some labs, and Wow-what do you know? My hormone patch was not being

absorbed at all-I was getting NO estrogen, and on top of that, my

thyroid was way OVERactive.

Hmm...how interesting that by switching me to another, better

absorbed HRT medicine, and lowering my thyroid medicine...what do you

know? NO MORE DEPRESSION, PANIC ATTACKS, OR ANXIETY!!

Now, what would have happened if I had taken the antidepressants

instead? I seriously doubt that I would have gotten rid of all my

symptoms, don't you?

Doctors want you on antidpressants because it's NOT something you can

just quit cold turkey without horrible withdrawals-you have to keep

coming back-more money for their pockets!

Sorry, I don't mean to offend you, and I'm sorry that you got upset

with what I said about antidpressants, but I know for a fact that

MANY people who have depression can cure it by finding out WHY they

are depressed, rather than just popping a pill that alters their

brain waves or whatever.

There are many causes of depression-vitamin defiencies can cause

schitzoprhenia (sp?) and depression, food allergies, thyroid and

hormonal imbalances, etc, etc. I just think that a person should

have a few tests done before they just pop a pill.

--- In , " diana crocker " <dwcrn@...>

wrote:

>

> --- In , " leyna1964 " <leyna1964@>

wrote:

> >

> > --- In , Crocker <dwcrn@>

wrote:

> > ,

> > I'm not on antidepressants. I don't believe in them at all-they

are

> > poison, and very addictive, and the studies done on them are way

too

> > short and inconclusive. People have killed themselves on

Cymbalta,

> > and it was still released to the public! A doctor put me on

Prozac,

> > and then Paxil and Effexor one time for PMS (before my

hysterectomy).

> > Within one week, I had plotted my own suicide>snip<

>

> Leyna, you cannot generalize about a class of medication,

> anti-depressants, that has proved to be very effective in the

> treatment of difficult and often fatal conditions. You are speaking

> for others when you do that, as well as giving misleading and false

> information. You _can_ tell me your experience and why _you_

wouldn't

> take them again. I worked as a mental health nurse for many years,

> and I have seen suicides off and on anti-depressants. Suicide is

the

> fatal symptom caused by depression. Another symptom of depression

is

> living a slow hell of an existance. Antidepressants have made a

> tremendous difference in both areas. I can tell you my own

experience

> with depression which started when I was 22 years old with a suicide

> attempt, almost successful. At that time I was give electro shock

> therapy--it's all they had. After the development of

antidepressants,

> they proved to be a real life saver for me. I am not 'addicted'

to

> antidepressants; they do change your neurotransmitters, and you

can't

> just stop abruptly or the brain gives very unpleasant signals! You

> have to taper off. I have done this many times. I'm sure others

> could give their experiences with antidepressants.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, here's my 2 cents worth on anti-depressants.

I've been on and off medication for bi-polar disorder since I was in

my early 40's. Before then I was addicted to prescription drugs and

some street drugs, as well as alcohol. Why? To numb my pain from my

past " unremembered " sexual abuse and to manage my mental illness,

that was not diagnosed yet.

I remember my first visit to a psychiatrist - when I explained my

drug use to him, he said, " Good for you! " Surprisingly, I

said, " What do you mean by THAT!! " He said, " You were self-

medicating. " True enough. I would take uppers when I was depressed

and downers when my mania kicked in. He was a loving

psychiatrist...all of the ones I've seen don't match his description,

unfortunately. My first and last serious attempt at suicide was at 16

yrs. old...woke up in the morning totally fine. Went to sleep with

my heart pounding out of my chest! My body filled with a mixture of

my Mom's medication. Although I'd thought about suicide throughout my

life, I didn't try again in that fashion.

I managed to hide my addictions quite adequately, from my children

especially. My former husband was an addict/alcoholic as well. He

had a very physicall abusive past. We both got into recovery at the

same time. My children never had to find me passed out on the couch

when they came home from school, or almost dead from taking too many

pills at night. And for heaven's sake, didn't every couple go out

every couple of weekends and party?? Getting home at 3 a.m. and

arguing half the night? Possible bringing half the bar with them???

Thought it was normal!! lol

Anyhoo, started NA meetings (Narcotics Anonymous) at 42, kicked my

addictions one at a time. At 4 months clean and sober, all my sexual

abuse memories flooded in. Interesting....my dad had passed away a

year previous. My doctor said it was common for the memories to come

through after the abuser had passed away. My Dad was a loving,

affectionate father on one side, and had a sickness on the other,

passed along by his family. We had an incestual family...the gift

kept on giving. Thank God I didn't abuse my kids. The cycle is

stopping with our family now. My Mom & Dad were abused as well, as

children.

My choice of treatment is nutritional and spiritual...which I'm using

today, however, as I said before, psychiatric medicine has saved my

life atleast twice. I also have had horrific side effects from anti-

depressants and hope I don't have to take them again.

When I speak of the holistic (wholistic) approach, it includes

allopathic and alternative - which to me is the " original " medicine.

Thank God we don't have to put herbal packs on broken legs!! lol

Thank God for you ladies here....all the wisdom and support.

Let's continue to respect each other's differences and life

experiences. Each one of us is a unique gift from God.

Love ya,

Sunny

p.s. Wow, I don't know where all this came from....thanks for

listening!!

>

> --- In , " leyna1964 " <leyna1964@>

wrote:

> >

> > --- In , Crocker <dwcrn@>

wrote:

> > ,

> > I'm not on antidepressants. I don't believe in them at all-they

are

> > poison, and very addictive, and the studies done on them are way

too

> > short and inconclusive. People have killed themselves on

Cymbalta,

> > and it was still released to the public! A doctor put me on

Prozac,

> > and then Paxil and Effexor one time for PMS (before my

hysterectomy).

> > Within one week, I had plotted my own suicide>snip<

>

> Leyna, you cannot generalize about a class of medication,

> anti-depressants, that has proved to be very effective in the

> treatment of difficult and often fatal conditions. You are speaking

> for others when you do that, as well as giving misleading and false

> information. You _can_ tell me your experience and why _you_

wouldn't

> take them again. I worked as a mental health nurse for many years,

> and I have seen suicides off and on anti-depressants. Suicide is

the

> fatal symptom caused by depression. Another symptom of depression

is

> living a slow hell of an existance. Antidepressants have made a

> tremendous difference in both areas. I can tell you my own

experience

> with depression which started when I was 22 years old with a suicide

> attempt, almost successful. At that time I was give electro shock

> therapy--it's all they had. After the development of

antidepressants,

> they proved to be a real life saver for me. I am not 'addicted'

to

> antidepressants; they do change your neurotransmitters, and you

can't

> just stop abruptly or the brain gives very unpleasant signals! You

> have to taper off. I have done this many times. I'm sure others

> could give their experiences with antidepressants.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cymbalta has some serious side effects. I would check that out.

Lynda

At 08:36 PM 11/13/2006, you wrote:

>Leyna and others,

>I think Bindi mentioned that 5HTP was probably not a good idea if your

>on antidepressants. That's a yes...it shouldn't be combined with those

>medications. An excellent medication for pain, especially for

>fibromyalgia pain, is Cymbalta. It's an antidepressant which has an

>effect on mood, lessens anxiety, helps regulate sleep, and has been

>found to be helpful for physical pain as well. I'm not on this, but I

>attend a fibromyalgia support group and a number of women have recently

>been put on this medication, and all but one felt it was quite helpful!

>Website:

><http://www.drugs.com/cymbalta.html>http://www.drugs.com/cymbalta.html

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, Sunny, thanks for sharing. I'm so proud of you for getting

your life on track.

Sis

> > > ,

> > > I'm not on antidepressants. I don't believe in them at all-

they

> are

> > > poison, and very addictive, and the studies done on them are

way

> too

> > > short and inconclusive. People have killed themselves on

> Cymbalta,

> > > and it was still released to the public! A doctor put me on

> Prozac,

> > > and then Paxil and Effexor one time for PMS (before my

> hysterectomy).

> > > Within one week, I had plotted my own suicide>snip<

> >

> > Leyna, you cannot generalize about a class of medication,

> > anti-depressants, that has proved to be very effective in the

> > treatment of difficult and often fatal conditions. You are

speaking

> > for others when you do that, as well as giving misleading and

false

> > information. You _can_ tell me your experience and why _you_

> wouldn't

> > take them again. I worked as a mental health nurse for many

years,

> > and I have seen suicides off and on anti-depressants. Suicide

is

> the

> > fatal symptom caused by depression. Another symptom of

depression

> is

> > living a slow hell of an existance. Antidepressants have made a

> > tremendous difference in both areas. I can tell you my own

> experience

> > with depression which started when I was 22 years old with a

suicide

> > attempt, almost successful. At that time I was give electro

shock

> > therapy--it's all they had. After the development of

> antidepressants,

> > they proved to be a real life saver for me. I am

not 'addicted'

> to

> > antidepressants; they do change your neurotransmitters, and you

> can't

> > just stop abruptly or the brain gives very unpleasant signals!

You

> > have to taper off. I have done this many times. I'm sure others

> > could give their experiences with antidepressants.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Cymbalta, being a new antidepressant, has not yet

shown all it side effects, and they are just

coming out. Being a social worker, I gained a

great respect for the side effects of

medications, and personally, I would just not

take this one. Too many problems with side

effects. If one does take it, they should read

the precautions and watch carefully for side

effects. It will be at least 5 years before we

have a better picture of what they are.

There are so many products that are helpful that

do not cause serious side effects. I caution

women on taking a large number of prescription

drugs, as each one puts more toxic load on our

already toxic bodies. We take great caution in

advising medications before natural remedies are tried.

Lynda

At 07:30 AM 11/14/2006, you wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Posted by: " Lynda " <mailto:coss%40privatei.com>coss@...

> > <mailto:coss@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20meds%20and%20supplements>

> > lyndaroth2004

>

<<lyndaroth2004>lyndaroth200\

4>

> >

> >

> > Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:00 pm (PST)

> >

> > Cymbalta has some serious side effects. I would check that out.

>

>Respectfully, every substance has the potential for side effects. This

>is a prescription medication; this means you must be evaluated by a

>physician with experience in using it, usually that's a psychiatrist or

>a pain specialist! Everything involves risk. I heard women in the same

>fibromyalgia support group report some scary results from using 5HTP

>because 'someone' told them it would help them. It affects

>neurotransmitters as does Cymbalta as well as many other

>antidepressants. The choice, of course, is up to the patient! Not to

>be argumentative, and in all humility, I thought all treatment

>modalities could be brought up for consideration here. :-)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Leyna:

> Sorry, I don't mean to offend you, and I'm sorry that you got upset

> >with what I said about antidpressants, but I know for a fact that

> >MANY people who have depression can cure it by finding out WHY they

> >are depressed, rather than just popping a pill that alters their

> >brain waves or whatever.

You didn't offend me, dear, and I wasn't upset!

. :-)

[Guest guest]

Psychiatrists usually have that role in an institution, with the

counselors doing the majority of the counseling load. At least when

I worked there that was the case. And generally the counselor has

validated that the patient has a severe-enough depression to warrant

meds. I sent patients when I felt they were suicidal or unable to

function in the world they needed to be able to function in.

I have found that psychiatrists usually are careful with meds, but

they do follow the medical model as they are MD's. People are sent

to them for meds.

Now, if you want to try alternatives, you would go to an alternative

practitioner.

Today that would definitely be my first choice.

Lynda

t 10:30 PM 11/14/2006, you wrote:

>Diane,

>Ok, I'm sure that they have helped some people-and yes, I was

>speaking about my own experiences with them, and what I have heard

>from other people, and read from reliable sources in the past.

>

>My problem with psychiatrists is that they NEVER bother to check WHY

>a person is depressed-they just automatically write out their

>prescriptions for antidepressants, which I think is WRONG.

>

>For instance...I had a hysterectomy 2 years ago, and was on a

>hormone patch. After a few months, I was extremely depressed,

>irritable, and having constant panic attacks, and not being able to

>sleep at all.

>

>Desperate, I went to a psychiatrist, who of course prescribed

>antidepressants-Cymbalta, in fact. I did not take it, deciding to

>try one more doctor....my Gynocologist. He took one look at me, did

>some labs, and Wow-what do you know? My hormone patch was not being

>absorbed at all-I was getting NO estrogen, and on top of that, my

>thyroid was way OVERactive.

>

>Hmm...how interesting that by switching me to another, better

>absorbed HRT medicine, and lowering my thyroid medicine...what do you

>know? NO MORE DEPRESSION, PANIC ATTACKS, OR ANXIETY!!

>

>Now, what would have happened if I had taken the antidepressants

>instead? I seriously doubt that I would have gotten rid of all my

>symptoms, don't you?

>

>Doctors want you on antidpressants because it's NOT something you can

>just quit cold turkey without horrible withdrawals-you have to keep

>coming back-more money for their pockets!

>

>Sorry, I don't mean to offend you, and I'm sorry that you got upset

>with what I said about antidpressants, but I know for a fact that

>MANY people who have depression can cure it by finding out WHY they

>are depressed, rather than just popping a pill that alters their

>brain waves or whatever.

>

>There are many causes of depression-vitamin defiencies can cause

>schitzoprhenia (sp?) and depression, food allergies, thyroid and

>hormonal imbalances, etc, etc. I just think that a person should

>have a few tests done before they just pop a pill.

>

>--- In

><mailto: %40> ,

> " diana crocker " <dwcrn@...>

>wrote:

> >

> > --- In

> <mailto: %40> ,

> " leyna1964 " <leyna1964@>

>wrote:

> > >

> > > --- In

> <mailto: %40> ,

> Crocker <dwcrn@>

>wrote:

> > > ,

> > > I'm not on antidepressants. I don't believe in them at all-they

>are

> > > poison, and very addictive, and the studies done on them are way

>too

> > > short and inconclusive. People have killed themselves on

>Cymbalta,

> > > and it was still released to the public! A doctor put me on

>Prozac,

> > > and then Paxil and Effexor one time for PMS (before my

>hysterectomy).

> > > Within one week, I had plotted my own suicide>snip<

> >

> > Leyna, you cannot generalize about a class of medication,

> > anti-depressants, that has proved to be very effective in the

> > treatment of difficult and often fatal conditions. You are speaking

> > for others when you do that, as well as giving misleading and false

> > information. You _can_ tell me your experience and why _you_

>wouldn't

> > take them again. I worked as a mental health nurse for many years,

> > and I have seen suicides off and on anti-depressants. Suicide is

>the

> > fatal symptom caused by depression. Another symptom of depression

>is

> > living a slow hell of an existance. Antidepressants have made a

> > tremendous difference in both areas. I can tell you my own

>experience

> > with depression which started when I was 22 years old with a suicide

> > attempt, almost successful. At that time I was give electro shock

> > therapy--it's all they had. After the development of

>antidepressants,

> > they proved to be a real life saver for me. I am not 'addicted'

>to

> > antidepressants; they do change your neurotransmitters, and you

>can't

> > just stop abruptly or the brain gives very unpleasant signals! You

> > have to taper off. I have done this many times. I'm sure others

> > could give their experiences with antidepressants.

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sis, thanks for the kind words. I'm so happy...my whole family is in

recovery.

Love,

Sunny

> > > > ,

> > > > I'm not on antidepressants. I don't believe in them at all-

> they

> > are

> > > > poison, and very addictive, and the studies done on them are

> way

> > too

> > > > short and inconclusive. People have killed themselves on

> > Cymbalta,

> > > > and it was still released to the public! A doctor put me on

> > Prozac,

> > > > and then Paxil and Effexor one time for PMS (before my

> > hysterectomy).

> > > > Within one week, I had plotted my own suicide>snip<

> > >

> > > Leyna, you cannot generalize about a class of medication,

> > > anti-depressants, that has proved to be very effective in the

> > > treatment of difficult and often fatal conditions. You are

> speaking

> > > for others when you do that, as well as giving misleading and

> false

> > > information. You _can_ tell me your experience and why _you_

> > wouldn't

> > > take them again. I worked as a mental health nurse for many

> years,

> > > and I have seen suicides off and on anti-depressants. Suicide

> is

> > the

> > > fatal symptom caused by depression. Another symptom of

> depression

> > is

> > > living a slow hell of an existance. Antidepressants have made a

> > > tremendous difference in both areas. I can tell you my own

> > experience

> > > with depression which started when I was 22 years old with a

> suicide

> > > attempt, almost successful. At that time I was give electro

> shock

> > > therapy--it's all they had. After the development of

> > antidepressants,

> > > they proved to be a real life saver for me. I am

> not 'addicted'

> > to

> > > antidepressants; they do change your neurotransmitters, and you

> > can't

> > > just stop abruptly or the brain gives very unpleasant signals!

> You

> > > have to taper off. I have done this many times. I'm sure

others

> > > could give their experiences with antidepressants.

> > >

> > >

> >

>