Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 You've got the right ones. They would be related to the cause of thyroid disease, or, in some cases, thyroid disease that hasn't completely displayed itself in the other lab tests for thyroid, yet. They are tests for autoimmune thyroid disease, namely Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, also called by other names as Chronic Lymphocytic Thyroiditis. Hashi's is the #1 cause of eventual hypothyroidism. The antibodies attack at different points on the thyroid axis, all the way from the thyroid to the pituitary to the hypothalamus, and wreak destruction, either slowly, or very quickly. I probably had it for several yrs before I began to display symptoms of first hyperthyroidism for a period of yrs, then crashed into hypothyroidism. It is notorious for disregulating the thyroid hormones, T3 and T4, back and forth between hyper and hypo, and sometimes back to normal, before it completely burns out the thyroid gland from any sort of hormone production. Mine has been ongoing for some yrs, and I've just been having problems with swelling of the gland within the last yr or so. Do you have any sort of swelling in the lower part of your neck, or are your symptoms completely confined to what you think of as adrenals? Tx Antibodies > Which antibodies should be tested, and what wold the presnce of each > indicate. I was going through the things the lab test's where I live > and the only two I could find were: > > ANTI THYROGLOBULIN ANTIBODIES (TG) (TAT) > ANTI THYROID MICROSOMAL ANTIBODIES (TPO) (TAM) > > If anyone could clear this up for me it would be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 I can't say I have experience any swelling on my neck, but then again I have not been checking for indications of swelling. > You've got the right ones. They would be related to the cause of thyroid > disease, or, in some cases, thyroid disease that hasn't completely displayed > itself in the other lab tests for thyroid, yet. They are tests for > autoimmune thyroid disease, namely Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, also called by > other names as Chronic Lymphocytic Thyroiditis. Hashi's is the #1 cause of > eventual hypothyroidism. The antibodies attack at different points on the > thyroid axis, all the way from the thyroid to the pituitary to the > hypothalamus, and wreak destruction, either slowly, or very quickly. I > probably had it for several yrs before I began to display symptoms of first > hyperthyroidism for a period of yrs, then crashed into hypothyroidism. It > is notorious for disregulating the thyroid hormones, T3 and T4, back and > forth between hyper and hypo, and sometimes back to normal, before it > completely burns out the thyroid gland from any sort of hormone production. > Mine has been ongoing for some yrs, and I've just been having problems with > swelling of the gland within the last yr or so. Do you have any sort of > swelling in the lower part of your neck, or are your symptoms completely > confined to what you think of as adrenals? > > > Tx > > Antibodies > > > > Which antibodies should be tested, and what wold the presnce of each > > indicate. I was going through the things the lab test's where I live > > and the only two I could find were: > > > > ANTI THYROGLOBULIN ANTIBODIES (TG) (TAT) > > ANTI THYROID MICROSOMAL ANTIBODIES (TPO) (TAM) > > > > If anyone could clear this up for me it would be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 smith, I will try to do your neck test soon. But just based on leaning my head back and trying to swollow i can barely do that. Those symptoms you describe are they for hypo or hyper? My test's indicate borderline hyper as of now, and I cant really comment on my nails since I have bit then since i was young and still do, i don't bite them raw, but enough so they stay short. > The Neck Check: Get a mirror and a glass of water to drink. Lean your head > way back (comfortably), looking in the mirror, and look at the lower part of > your neck where the thyroid sits wrapped around the windpipe, while you > drink the water. If you see any abnormal expansion from the front of the > neck or sides at the lower part, then you need to be looking at this. Do > you have trouble swallowing, or do you have very dry skin, sluggish bowel > movements, fingernails that are thick, but possibly break off easily? Is > your hair extremely dry and wiry, or are you losing your hair a lot more > than usual? Do you have swelling of the face and/or eyes, with edema of the > eyelids? Thyroid disease has many symptoms that are similar to other > things, but mainly similar to adrenal exhaustion. The trouble with many > doctors is that they don't recognize adrenal disease as disease until a > complete failure, as in 's Disease or Cushings (low cortisol- -high > cortisol). You seem like you have been doing some research on many of these > things. > > > Tx > > Re: Antibodies > > > > I can't say I have experience any swelling on my neck, but then again > > I have not been checking for indications of swelling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 I infact did have a free t3 done, my tests went like this first sTSH was 1.13 in summer of 2003, october brought a 0.9 sTSH, then in november i had an sTSH which came back 0.7, a Freet4 which came back 13 (range 10-20) and a freet3 which came back as 5.2 i believe (range 2.4 - 5.7) > Any enlargement of the thyroid gland, or any unusual lumps or hard spots > around that area, might represent goiter or nodules. Of course, there's > nothing like the expert hands of a good thyroid doctor who knows exactly > what they're looking for and has a lot of experience at this. That, though, > is the standard lay-person neck check. Supposedly, a normal healthy thyroid > is supposed to be about the size of a walnut, though I would differ with > that opinion as being absolutely normal from person to person. I think that > some people just have naturally larger thyroids than others, though there > probably isn't a humongous difference. Have you been to the About.com site, > pertaining to thyroid? Shoman has a lot of good info on there, all the > way from an introduction to the thyroid to the most detailed complicated > things about it, plus references to other related autoimmune diseases. I > know you've already gotten two different opinions here, but I really thought > hypothyroidism because your T4 was so low, despite the TSH. I'm thinking > that you didn't have a Free T3 test to go with that, so we don't know what > that is yet. The red hands, then turning blue, that reminds me of Carpal > Tunnel Syndrome, if your hands also go numb. This is notorious for > happening in your sleep, or on exposure to cold, and sometimes from > repetitive activities. I also keep thinking that it would be good if you > had the saliva tests for Cortisol, DHEA, and Testosterone, though I know > you've already had the other two methods done. They're saying that the 8 > am, afternoon, and late night times are the best way to do this, to get a > more accurate accounting of how they're fluctuating during the course of an > entire day. If the cortisol is taking wild swings, back and forth, then you > might know. > > > Tx > > Re: Antibodies > > > > smith, I will try to do your neck test soon. But just based on > > leaning my head back and trying to swollow i can barely do that. > > Those symptoms you describe are they for hypo or hyper? My test's > > indicate borderline hyper as of now, and I cant really comment on my > > nails since I have bit then since i was young and still do, i don't > > bite them raw, but enough so they stay short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 sTSH is serum thyroid stimulating hormone. What happens is the pituitary gland will send it out based on your bodies signals whether it needs more or not, this is then picked up by the thyroid and turned into T3 and T4, usually when one is hyperthyroid (liek myself) results will show low sTSH (becuase the thyroid is using too much) and a high T3 or T4, mainly focusing in on T3 as most T4 is converted to T3, and T3 is the most active of the two. > What is an > > sTSH? > > Never heard of that one.... > > Topper () > > On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 06:40:14 -0000 " cd88_8 " <cd88_8@y...> writes: > > I infact did have a free t3 done, my tests went like this first sTSH > > was 1.13 in summer of 2003, october brought a 0.9 sTSH, then in > > november i had an sTSH which came back 0.7, a Freet4 which came back > > 13 (range 10-20) and a freet3 which came back as 5.2 i believe > > (range 2.4 - 5.7) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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