Re: Muscles ??

[Guest guest]

,

I had that smell under my right arm pit. Dr. Kolb, told me you can smell the infection. Did you have proper explant? En-bloc, all capsules removed and Drains put in? I wonder if you could still have some capsule with toxins in them. I had Dr. Kolb www.plastikos.com remove my implants, I don't feel no empty pocket like you are talking about. I would e-mail her and see what she thinks it could be, maybe she could help you over e-mail. Good Luck to you.

[Guest guest]

,

If infection, I wonder if we should take more antibiotics? I just wonder since sometimes I have that smell, mine I thought might be from all the raw garlic I eat. If we are still dealing with infection maybe these ladies can recommend what to do? This could help me also...

Thanks if anyone could help us both with this issue. I may write to

Dr. Kolb regarding this and post her answer soon.

Thanks and God Bless!!

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

What where you symptoms? I've had mine for 12 years, and they

started giving me trouble over the last 2 years as well, mainly the

left one. Explant is Feb. 19th. I went over the muscle, so I don't

have any advice on your problem. But it sounds like there is still

some type of infection going on with the odor and all.

Thanks,

>

> Hi ladies. It has been a while since I posted. I wanted to

update

> everyone. For those that don't know, I had my saline implants for

12

> years. While symptons were probably present the entire time, the

> symptons did not escalate until the last 2 years. I was explanted

> last July 6th,2006 and am almost 7 months post. I had a lot of

the

> symptons that are discussed here. The one sympton that sent me to

the

> doctor and on my 2 year quest from doctor to doctor was a weird

skin

> rash that is now gone " since explant " thank goodness!!.

>

> While a lot of the symptons are gone...I have a question. Does

anyone

> have any information on how implants are placed under the muscle

and

> any idea of what can go wrong?

>

> I have been exercising with weights and doing cardio and so

> forth....and my right side is definitely different from my left.

It

> just will not tighten up. It is NOT where my breast is. Rather is

it

> slightly under the breast going towards the under arm. Not only

> will it not tighten up but itfeels like it may be full of fluid or

is

> a empty " pocket " . At least that is the way it feels to me.

>

> It is also strange and I hate to talk about this....but there

seems to

> be a body odor under that arm....that is not present under my left

> arm. This too was present before the explant. Any thoughts on

what

> this could be? Atrophy?

>

> I could tell yesterday when I was doing " lat rows " ...that the

right

> lat muscle or something is functioning or feeling different to me

than

> the left one.

>

> The interesting thing is some of this went away after the explant

> surgery for a while. But now it is BACK! I am wondering if there

is

> an empty pocket...or something that is collecting body fluids????

>

> I wonder what doctor to go to for this. Should I go back to the

> explanting doctor? By the way, both of these things were present

> before the explant.

>

> Any thoughts here will be appreciated. Also, if anyone has

questions

> of me as someone who had them in for a long time, feel free to let

me

> know.

>

> Love to all

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

What where you symptoms? I've had mine for 12 years, and they

started giving me trouble over the last 2 years as well, mainly the

left one. Explant is Feb. 19th. I went over the muscle, so I don't

have any advice on your problem. But it sounds like there is still

some type of infection going on with the odor and all.

Thanks,

>

> Hi ladies. It has been a while since I posted. I wanted to

update

> everyone. For those that don't know, I had my saline implants for

12

> years. While symptons were probably present the entire time, the

> symptons did not escalate until the last 2 years. I was explanted

> last July 6th,2006 and am almost 7 months post. I had a lot of

the

> symptons that are discussed here. The one sympton that sent me to

the

> doctor and on my 2 year quest from doctor to doctor was a weird

skin

> rash that is now gone " since explant " thank goodness!!.

>

> While a lot of the symptons are gone...I have a question. Does

anyone

> have any information on how implants are placed under the muscle

and

> any idea of what can go wrong?

>

> I have been exercising with weights and doing cardio and so

> forth....and my right side is definitely different from my left.

It

> just will not tighten up. It is NOT where my breast is. Rather is

it

> slightly under the breast going towards the under arm. Not only

> will it not tighten up but itfeels like it may be full of fluid or

is

> a empty " pocket " . At least that is the way it feels to me.

>

> It is also strange and I hate to talk about this....but there

seems to

> be a body odor under that arm....that is not present under my left

> arm. This too was present before the explant. Any thoughts on

what

> this could be? Atrophy?

>

> I could tell yesterday when I was doing " lat rows " ...that the

right

> lat muscle or something is functioning or feeling different to me

than

> the left one.

>

> The interesting thing is some of this went away after the explant

> surgery for a while. But now it is BACK! I am wondering if there

is

> an empty pocket...or something that is collecting body fluids????

>

> I wonder what doctor to go to for this. Should I go back to the

> explanting doctor? By the way, both of these things were present

> before the explant.

>

> Any thoughts here will be appreciated. Also, if anyone has

questions

> of me as someone who had them in for a long time, feel free to let

me

> know.

>

> Love to all

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Did you get to see your implants when removed? Mine were nasty I hear never got to see them. I plan to e-mail Dr. Kolb and will keep you posted. Thanks

[Guest guest]

,

Or is it that the stuff in our bodies is resistant to antibiotic? So nothing would kill it anyway?????

[Guest guest]

,

Yea that sounds bad may have been just old implants and the shell breaking down in your body. You could have sent to Dr. Blais and got a free report, like a small summary. Then at that time you can ask for a more detailed test to be done and pay for that one. It sounds like you did the right thing by getting them out. I e-mailed Dr. Kolb I will let you know when I hear back from her. Did you e-mail her too?

[Guest guest]

,

I don't know but I do know I had infection for a year and 3 months prior to explant, since I got sick early. I just really assume this since Dr. Kolb told me I had infection. She said you can smell infection and I could and it never really went away totally. I sent her an e-mail.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I am so glad to her your explant is soon. My symptons the last two

two years I had the implants came on quite suddently. They started

as a strange fatigue with me falling asleep at the drop of a hat, an

unexplainable weight gain, bloating, muscle wasting, joint pain in

my feet, my vision was blurry at times, a strange urgency to urinate

which indicated some kidney or bladder issues, a pain underneath my

right shoulder blade that would come and go and the skin rash. I

posted pictures on shutterfly of my skin rashes...so you can see

those if you go to the link. It was the skin rash that indicated

something toxic was going on....but my doctor didn't know what. I

went thru CT scans, gallium scans, blood work, homone testing, heavy

metal testing, skin biopsies...etc...etc. The skin biopsy showed my

lymphocytes were attaching themselves to my red blood cells. My

doctor called it a lymphocytic immune system reaction. After I

found this site, I printed information from Dr. Kolbs website and

took it to my doctor who then agreed maybe it WAS my implants.!

I do feel much better since my explant. I will say...that while I

felt better immediately and some of the symptons went away, it took

me about 5 to 6 months to notice that I truly was getting back to my

old self.

I only have these two issues left and I think there may have been

some muscle damage. I was on antibiotics for a while after the

surgery.....and I do think that when I am on them this goes away.

What have your symptons been ...???

> >

> > Hi ladies. It has been a while since I posted. I wanted to

> update

> > everyone. For those that don't know, I had my saline implants

for

> 12

> > years. While symptons were probably present the entire time,

the

> > symptons did not escalate until the last 2 years. I was

explanted

> > last July 6th,2006 and am almost 7 months post. I had a lot of

> the

> > symptons that are discussed here. The one sympton that sent me

to

> the

> > doctor and on my 2 year quest from doctor to doctor was a weird

> skin

> > rash that is now gone " since explant " thank goodness!!.

> >

> > While a lot of the symptons are gone...I have a question. Does

> anyone

> > have any information on how implants are placed under the muscle

> and

> > any idea of what can go wrong?

> >

> > I have been exercising with weights and doing cardio and so

> > forth....and my right side is definitely different from my

left.

> It

> > just will not tighten up. It is NOT where my breast is. Rather

is

> it

> > slightly under the breast going towards the under arm. Not

only

> > will it not tighten up but itfeels like it may be full of fluid

or

> is

> > a empty " pocket " . At least that is the way it feels to me.

> >

> > It is also strange and I hate to talk about this....but there

> seems to

> > be a body odor under that arm....that is not present under my

left

> > arm. This too was present before the explant. Any thoughts on

> what

> > this could be? Atrophy?

> >

> > I could tell yesterday when I was doing " lat rows " ...that the

> right

> > lat muscle or something is functioning or feeling different to

me

> than

> > the left one.

> >

> > The interesting thing is some of this went away after the

explant

> > surgery for a while. But now it is BACK! I am wondering if

there

> is

> > an empty pocket...or something that is collecting body

fluids????

> >

> > I wonder what doctor to go to for this. Should I go back to the

> > explanting doctor? By the way, both of these things were

present

> > before the explant.

> >

> > Any thoughts here will be appreciated. Also, if anyone has

> questions

> > of me as someone who had them in for a long time, feel free to

let

> me

> > know.

> >

> > Love to all

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Donna,

Dr. Schnarrs did my explant and yes he did it enbloc and took the

capsules out. I also had a T lift done. I had these two symptons

before my explant.....so...just not sure.

Strange...that it is only under the right arm. Not both.

I may try to email Dr. Kolb. Maybe she has some clues about this.

>

> ,

>

> I had that smell under my right arm pit. Dr. Kolb, told me you

can smell the

> infection. Did you have proper explant? En-bloc, all capsules

removed and

> Drains put in? I wonder if you could still have some capsule with

toxins in

> them. I had Dr. Kolb _www.plastikos.com_

(http://www.plastikos.com) remove my

> implants, I don't feel no empty pocket like you are talking

about. I would

> e-mail her and see what she thinks it could be, maybe she could

help you over

> e-mail. Good Luck to you.

>

[Guest guest]

Donna,

You have this sometimes too???? If you email Dr. Kolb, please let

me know what she says. We have both been on antibiotics and

antifungals.

So if it is infection then I don't think we have been on the right

antibotic for it yet....or perhaps not long enough.

My doctor here hates antibiotics because it messes up our digestive

systems so much.

Also I wonder....how to culture something like this...to ensure we

are on the right antibiotic??

I might go have an appointment with Dr. S...to see what he

says....too.

Please let me know what you find out....

>

> ,

>

> If infection, I wonder if we should take more antibiotics? I just

wonder

> since sometimes I have that smell, mine I thought might be from

all the raw

> garlic I eat. If we are still dealing with infection maybe these

ladies can

> recommend what to do? This could help me also...

> Thanks if anyone could help us both with this issue. I may write

to

> Dr. Kolb regarding this and post her answer soon.

> Thanks and God Bless!!

>

[Guest guest]

,

I don't remember if you traveled for your explant . . . if you didn't I'd recommend seeing your explanting doctor . . . Otherwise, give him/her a call.

You may have to be examined by a doctor to be sure you don't have fluids accumulating where the implant was.

Did you wear a sports bra 24/7 following your surgery? It may not be too late to start wearing one. If it is fluids, it could help get rid of an accumulation.

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Thanks Rogene,

I did not have to travel as the doctor was 45 minutes from me. I do

need to give them a call. You know, I think I wore the sports bra

24/7 for a while...but after a couple of weeks or so....I remember I

would take it off periodically because the nipples were so sore and

it aggravated them. Its been 7 months. You don't think this is too

far past post op?????

I will start wearing it again.

I hate bras.....LOL....

>

> ,

>

> I don't remember if you traveled for your explant . . . if you

didn't I'd recommend seeing your explanting doctor . . . Otherwise,

give him/her a call.

>

> You may have to be examined by a doctor to be sure you don't have

fluids accumulating where the implant was.

>

> Did you wear a sports bra 24/7 following your surgery? It may not be

too late to start wearing one. If it is fluids, it could help get rid

of an accumulation.

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

Donna,

Yes I did see them and the capsules too. In fact, I brought them

home with me. But....I discarded them right before the holidays.

Well...mine were filled with a brown fluid not a clear fluid. Dr. S

said there was no leak. He also said the reason the fluid was brown

was because the implanting doctor injected them with prednisone and

antibiotics (over 12 years ago !!!). He was correct. I checked the

operative report from the implant and there it was.

I probably should have had Dr. Blasie look at them...but seriously

after doctors and medical expenses for 2 1/2 years .....I was

done. Didn't want to spend good money after bad.....that sort of

thing.......

>

> ,

>

> Did you get to see your implants when removed? Mine were nasty I

hear never

> got to see them. I plan to e-mail Dr. Kolb and will keep you

posted. Thanks

>

[Guest guest]

,

Try wearing the bra for a few days and see if it makes any difference. If it's a fluid accumulation, it should go down.

I doubt that, assuming it's a cavity that's still open, that it will make the cavity seal itself though.

One really should wear a snug, but comfortable sports bra 24/7 until healing is well underway . . . so the internal scar tissue will provide extra lift.

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Donna,

Well...I hope not and I hope that if we have any antibiotic resistant

bacterial infection.....the symptons would gradually get worse. One

would hope anyway.?

Does Kolb indicate anything like this in any of her stuff??

>

> ,

>

> Or is it that the stuff in our bodies is resistant to antibiotic?

So nothing

> would kill it anyway?????

>

[Guest guest]

Organisms do become resistant to antibiotics . . . that's why they want you to take the full prescription when prescribed antibiotics. . . If there are any organisms left over, when they rebound, they may have become resistant to the antibiotics first taken.

However, there are few organisms that are resistant to all antibiotics! . . Thank God!

What often happens is that antibiotics kill off the beneficial organisms along with the bad (yeast/mold/fungus) . . . then the bad organisms rebound faster than the good ones. The bad ones keep the good ones from developing. However, we need the good ones for many functions vital to health.

That's why we recommend probiotics . . . Acidopholis, Primal Defense, garlic and sugar free diets.

With fungal problems, you may feel better initially, but once the bad organisms start rebounding, you'll begin feeling sick again.

It's a real struggle getting all this sorted out . . . However, it's well worth the effort!

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Yes....and I am racking my brain now because I recall either someone

here or my doctor told me that if the infection was in the capsule

it may not respond antibiotics. Don't know if I totally understand

that except they said the blood does not flow in and around the

capsule which is scar tissues formation.

Dr. S. took my capsules out.

Blood work should indicate whether there is an active infection

going on....so I may also go to my doctor along with visiting Dr. S.

It has been nice not going to doctors.....!!!

>

> ,

>

> I don't know but I do know I had infection for a year and 3 months

prior to

> explant, since I got sick early. I just really assume this since

Dr. Kolb told

> me I had infection. She said you can smell infection and I could

and it

> never really went away totally. I sent her an e-mail.

>

[Guest guest]

In my quest for getting better thinking it was my house, which I now

know was also my implants: I found that Oil of Oregano is an all

natural anti-fungal with no side effects and there is nothing

resistant to it, my favorite product is Oreganol. I wouldn't

recommend taking it prior to surgery though.

>

> Organisms do become resistant to antibiotics . . . that's why they

want you to take the full prescription when prescribed

antibiotics. . . If there are any organisms left over, when they

rebound, they may have become resistant to the antibiotics first

taken.

>

> However, there are few organisms that are resistant to all

antibiotics! . . Thank God!

>

> What often happens is that antibiotics kill off the beneficial

organisms along with the bad (yeast/mold/fungus) . . . then the bad

organisms rebound faster than the good ones. The bad ones keep the

good ones from developing. However, we need the good ones for many

functions vital to health.

>

> That's why we recommend probiotics . . . Acidopholis, Primal

Defense, garlic and sugar free diets.

>

> With fungal problems, you may feel better initially, but once the

bad organisms start rebounding, you'll begin feeling sick again.

>

> It's a real struggle getting all this sorted out . . . However,

it's well worth the effort!

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

,

Well for the last 3 years I thought I was just getting old after

hitting 35, but I still look like I'm 26 at 38. Haven't been able to

do Cardio for more than 10 minutes, exhausted after 15 minutes of

basketball, which I love to play! So I focused on free weights

instead...about a year ago I noticed that I didn't recover from

workouts very well, three days it took usually. Then 6 months ago my

left shoulder started having pain under the shoulder blade. I'd have

my massage therapist work on my shoulder weekly...

That's the physical part. About one month after having the implants

in I wasn't able to tolerate mix drinks anymore. If I had a

margarita my heart would race uncontrolably, still does. I was a

social drinker for 5 years prior, and held my liquor very well.

If I have 2 glasses of wine, my heart races, about one hour into

sleeping. I just realized this month that my implants is probably

the reason I can't drink.

Extreme Chemical Sensitivity, mainly Mold, and Pesticides, and don't

tolerate acid base foods like Salsa or fruit juices well. Starting

to get pain in my joints the last few weeks, hands, ankles, and

knees. I'm very grateful to be getting explanted, and will be

detoxing with a wonderful doctor in Orlando. I know Dr. Kolb is

great, but my work schedule only allows for a local Dr.

> > >

> > > Hi ladies. It has been a while since I posted. I wanted to

> > update

> > > everyone. For those that don't know, I had my saline implants

> for

> > 12

> > > years. While symptons were probably present the entire time,

> the

> > > symptons did not escalate until the last 2 years. I was

> explanted

> > > last July 6th,2006 and am almost 7 months post. I had a lot

of

> > the

> > > symptons that are discussed here. The one sympton that sent

me

> to

> > the

> > > doctor and on my 2 year quest from doctor to doctor was a

weird

> > skin

> > > rash that is now gone " since explant " thank goodness!!.

> > >

> > > While a lot of the symptons are gone...I have a question.

Does

> > anyone

> > > have any information on how implants are placed under the

muscle

> > and

> > > any idea of what can go wrong?

> > >

> > > I have been exercising with weights and doing cardio and so

> > > forth....and my right side is definitely different from my

> left.

> > It

> > > just will not tighten up. It is NOT where my breast is.

Rather

> is

> > it

> > > slightly under the breast going towards the under arm. Not

> only

> > > will it not tighten up but itfeels like it may be full of

fluid

> or

> > is

> > > a empty " pocket " . At least that is the way it feels to me.

> > >

> > > It is also strange and I hate to talk about this....but there

> > seems to

> > > be a body odor under that arm....that is not present under my

> left

> > > arm. This too was present before the explant. Any thoughts

on

> > what

> > > this could be? Atrophy?

> > >

> > > I could tell yesterday when I was doing " lat rows " ...that the

> > right

> > > lat muscle or something is functioning or feeling different to

> me

> > than

> > > the left one.

> > >

> > > The interesting thing is some of this went away after the

> explant

> > > surgery for a while. But now it is BACK! I am wondering if

> there

> > is

> > > an empty pocket...or something that is collecting body

> fluids????

> > >

> > > I wonder what doctor to go to for this. Should I go back to

the

> > > explanting doctor? By the way, both of these things were

> present

> > > before the explant.

> > >

> > > Any thoughts here will be appreciated. Also, if anyone has

> > questions

> > > of me as someone who had them in for a long time, feel free to

> let

> > me

> > > know.

> > >

> > > Love to all

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome back Lynda, we have missed you. I hope that you had a wonderful vacation, and that your injuries are better.

Love always.......Lea

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Re: Re: Muscles ??

Just a word of caution, when I started taking oil of oregano, I became allergic to it within 3 months.LyndaAt 09:30 AM 2/3/2007, you wrote:>In my quest for getting better thinking it was my house, which I now>know was also my implants: I found that Oil of Oregano is an all>natural anti-fungal with no side effects and there is nothing>resistant to it, my favorite product is Oreganol. I wouldn't>recommend taking it prior to surgery though.>>>>> >> > Organisms do become resistant to antibiotics . . . that's why they>want you to take the full prescription when prescribed>antibiotics. . . If there are any organisms left over, when they>rebound, they may have become resistant to the antibiotics first>taken.> >> > However, there are few organisms that are resistant to all>antibiotics! . . Thank God!> >> > What often happens is that antibiotics kill off the beneficial>organisms along with the bad (yeast/mold/fungus) . . . then the bad>organisms rebound faster than the good ones. The bad ones keep the>good ones from developing. However, we need the good ones for many>functions vital to health.> >> > That's why we recommend probiotics . . . Acidopholis, Primal>Defense, garlic and sugar free diets.> >> > With fungal problems, you may feel better initially, but once the>bad organisms start rebounding, you'll begin feeling sick again.> >> > It's a real struggle getting all this sorted out . . . However,>it's well worth the effort!> >> > Rogene> >>>

[Guest guest]

Lynda,

Oh my gosh, what happened now??? Did I miss something?

Are you back in Colorado or are you still in Hawaii?

Patty

Re: Re: Muscles ??>>Just a word of caution, when I started taking oil of oregano, I>became allergic to it within 3 months.>>Lynda>>At 09:30 AM 2/3/2007, you wrote:>> >In my quest for getting better thinking it was my house, which I now> >know was also my implants: I found that Oil of Oregano is an all> >natural anti-fungal with no side effects and there is nothing> >resistant to it, my favorite product is Oreganol. I wouldn't> >recommend taking it prior to surgery though.> >> >> >> >--- In> ><mailto:SalineSupp ort%40group s.com><mailto: @ > groups.com> ,> >Rogene S <saxony01@.. .>

wrote:> > >> > > Organisms do become resistant to antibiotics . . . that's why they> >want you to take the full prescription when prescribed> >antibiotics. . . If there are any organisms left over, when they> >rebound, they may have become resistant to the antibiotics first> >taken.> > >> > > However, there are few organisms that are resistant to all> >antibiotics! . . Thank God!> > >> > > What often happens is that antibiotics kill off the beneficial> >organisms along with the bad (yeast/mold/ fungus) . . . then the bad> >organisms rebound faster than the good ones. The bad ones keep the> >good ones from developing. However, we need the good ones for many> >functions vital to health.> > >> > > That's why we recommend probiotics . . . Acidopholis, Primal> >Defense, garlic

and sugar free diets.> > >> > > With fungal problems, you may feel better initially, but once the> >bad organisms start rebounding, you'll begin feeling sick again.> > >> > > It's a real struggle getting all this sorted out . . . However,> >it's well worth the effort!> > >> > > Rogene> > >> >> >>>><http://promos. hotbar.com/ promos/promodll. dll?RunPromo & El= & SG= & RAND= 73272 & partner= hbtools>>Upgrade Your Email - Click here!>>>

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[Guest guest]

,

Yes she has the epi-core and if you call you can order it from Nadia. I bought the Turkey Rhubarb somewhere else though. I went and seen her last week and she tested me and said Yes I could us it. Try a health food store for the Turkey Rhubarb. Good Luck and keep me posted.

[Guest guest]

So we should not eat tuna??????????

[Guest guest]

Oh Lynda,

I'm sorry about your accident! . . . Not a good way to spend your vacation!

Thank God you're OK . . . even with some shinners. . . One friend lost his hearing after the side airbag went off!

Hopefully the car will recover as quickly as you do!

Rogene