Re: Cameron: Candida is a gut bactieria, we cannot kill it off

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Dear Joanne:

Interesting. I'm not averse to this view.

My positive experience with restricted diet inclines me to be in accord

with your dietary advice. It seems silly to eradicate candida while

simultaneously providing them a food supply, when it is possible to deny

this to them.

I also agree that one will not end up devoid of candida--that is not

possible nor desirable.

Let me provide a little more background. I was diagnosed with

acholorhydria (absence of stomach acid) around 1990. I was pleased to

learn in Natasha -McBride's book (Gut and Psychology Syndrome)

that such condition can be due to candida and other organisms colonizing

the stomach. It seems that candida and others can reduce stomach acid

production to gain a greater foothold in the stomach, an area which

would not normally have a large microbial population.

In recent years, my throat had been increasingly irritated. Current

response to antifungals suggests it has also been colonized. The

characteristic candida marker of white tongue has appeared during

periods of distress.

During this period of antifungal therapy, the throat has at last stopped

hurting. There is great evidence of morphological changes there. Very

marked improvements in mood, and increasing sense of emotional

well-being have resulted. I attribute that to reduced amounts of

neurotoxins produced by the fungal organisms.

There is no doubt that what I'm doing is responsible for the tangible

improvement. Whether this can be sustained is a totally different

question. I agree with you that dietary restriction and efforts to

create a better bio-dyamic balance in the gastroenteric system will be

keys to lasting improvement.

I regard the extensive colonization of the upper GI system to be

abnormal. I hope that I can reduce that colonization to the extent that

normal acid-producing function can be restored. I think that would go a

long way toward resolving my problems.

My utilizing medicines in addition to diet is motivated in part by a

desire to accelerate the process. I've been ill for around 25 years and

it gets boring. I'm also facing another hugely challenging family

care-giving opportunity (I recently finished up a 13-year stint with my

mom, who passed just short of her 98th year).

Yours,

Cam

>

> Cameron

>

> It will take you a while to get your head around this. It took me

> months, and even then I was still questioning it, but I do not

> question this now because I know it is true and I know I cannot kill

> my Candida off, and I am happy with that. I do not need to kill it off

> to be healthy

>

> If this does not make sense please ask me to share more and I will

>

> As you know our gut is an eco system all of its own and in it from

> birth we have resident there a mixture of pathogens.

>

> Now may theories refer the the bacteria fungus and viruses as good or

> bad and generally speaking these same theories speak of destroying the

> bad, or getting the bad pathogens under control and increasing the

> good bacteria and so on

>

> This idea is not off the wall, it certainly is a good way of

> describing some of what is going on, but this idea is ignoring a

> fundmental point and that is that pathogens, of all kinds only eat

> what is not good for life

>

> Let me explain

>

> Recently, there was an oil leak in the sea, and suddenly what appeared

> to be from out of nowhere zillions of pathogens appeared and started

> gobbling this oil up. The day before the oil was there these pathogens

> were not there in these enormous numbers, and as the oil disappears so

> do the pathogens. You do not find masses of bacteria in clean blue

> water like you do in oil filled water. And also, think about the

> animals that are full of oil and dying in that water. Was it the

> pathogens that made these animals ill, or was it the oil? You see

> pathogens do not actually make any creatures ill, it is the toxin.

> When the toxin appears then does the pathogen. You do not get

> pathogens where there is no toxin, So instead if cleaning up the

> pathogen, on Bees diet we clear up the toxin and as the toxin is

> removed, so it the pathogen

>

> These other theories that focus on building up good bacteria and

> decreasing or destroying bad bacteria are not really looking at the

> full picture

>

> Let me give you another example

>

> My dad has Parkinsons, and it has been recently shown that many people

> with Parkinsons carry the h-pylori bacteria. My dad most definately

> does, because he has had ulcers in the past and never used the antibioitcs

>

> Now the studies relating to this have shown that when a person has

> h-pylori and has parkinsons and takes the antibioitcs and manages to

> get rid of the h-pylori their for 4 out of 5 of them the parkinsons

> clears up. But for 1 out of 5 of them the illnesses rapidly

> progresses. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>

> now you would think that given what we know about how bad parkinsons

> can get the 4 out of 5 chance of getting well would be a snatch for my

> dad, and that i would be encouraging this risk, yes. Well no, you see

> my dad and i know that that h-pylori is not causing his parkinsons.

> that h-pylori is trying its best to get rid of several toxins my dad

> has allowed into his body.

>

> now I wont go on and on about all the toxins this h-pylori is dealing

> with and how we know because I will be refering to numerous articles

> of i do, but one thing we do know about h-pylori is that when the

> environment in the gut is changed, using HCL sauerkraut, very low

> carb, less than15g which basically include traces of fruit traces of

> vegetables, traces of herbs, traces of unpastuirsed dairy, no grains

> and so on) plus very high fat, moderate protein, etc. The h-pylori

> causes no problem for my dad and his parkinsons is very mild

>

> Arh, yes you might say, but what if you had parkinsons and you still

> wanted to eat some of these carbs, would it not be worth taking the

> antibiotics and carry on eating the fruit or what ever it is you like?

>

> No, is the honest answer to that, because the minute you do start

> eating the carbs that h-pylori feeds on, your h-pylori will be back.

> and frankly if you keep at it with the antibiotics, your gut

> environment will turn to fungus and that fungus, Candida will rule

> your life and this can be as bad as Parkinsons, and you will get to a

> point where you will have both illnesses

>

> Anyway to cut a long story short, other pathogens are involved with

> this too, and some of them eat the fruit, the lactose and so on. The

> H-pylori is actually more interested the toxic substance of

> cholesterol mixed with carbohydrate. As you no doubt know by now, the

> body cannot survive without cholestrol but it most certainly can

> survive without carbohydrate and so carbs are pretty much off the menu

> for my dad for now. He eats only 15g a day and this is keeping his

> h-pylori at bay and it is also allowing ketones which are nurishing

> his brain and preserving his neurons

>

> I am eating much the same way as my dad, and this is keeping my

> candida very low, so low i dont even notice i have it, and in the mean

> time whilst the ketones are taking care of my brain and nervous

> system, Bees diet is helping my inner eco system restore itself

>

> One thing i forgot to mention here is that h-pylori is a gut bacteria

> and it is used by the immune system to protect the body

>

> http://www.emedicinehealth.com/helicobacter_pylori_h_pylori/article_em.htm

>

> Cameron when i get more time I will explain more about how candida is

> working in a similar way to preserve us. I just dont have a great deal

> of time right now, but if you keep asking questions more and more you

> will see how to deal with this, without any meds

>

> Love Joanne

>

> ________________________________

> From: Cameron D McIntosh <yateendraji@...

> <mailto:yateendraji%40gmail.com>>

> To: fibromyalgiacured

> <mailto:fibromyalgiacured%40yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Friday, 30 December 2011, 4:54

> Subject: My experience with Gerson Therapy

>

>

>

> Dear Pazalways:

>

> Thanks for your very detailed and well-writen sharing. For what it's

> worth, I'd like to share my current regime (addressing chronic dysbiosis).

>

> I can vouch for the effectiveness of Gerson Therapy, having used a

> modified form of it to various degrees since 2003. It has been an

> excellent general cleanout and energizer, and continues to serve (I'm

> doing 3 enemas per day currently).

>

> I haven't been diagnosed with fibromyalgia, but my brother has it, hence

> my attention to this group. I have been trying to reduce my resident

> population of Candida Albicans, and we had my brother tested for Candida

> blood antigens--he was positive.

>

> I am now taking a couple of prescription medicines (Nystatin and

> Nizoral) in an effort to reduce Candida. Die-off from Nystatin has been

> intense, and the coffee enemas have been a lifesaver in keeping it from

> overwhelming me (although I was overwhelmed recently and had to pause

> and re-group, adding Nizoral, which is milder for die-off).

>

> The Candida effort was inspired by my very positive response to

> GAPS/Specific Carbohydrate Diet (it cut bowel inflammation within 5 days

> of starting the diet--I'm on the candida-modified program and

> transitioning toward Bee's diet). I've been struggling with throat

> discomfort for around 6 years, and it's been hard to tell if the Candida

> treatment will take care of it, but I'm beginning to sense that it will.

> I have ups and downs and am currently having a " down " day (throat not

> feeling good) but am correlating that with today's aggressive use of

> Nystatin. In the big-picture, the die-off response to medication is

> gradually diminishing and the baseline condition is clearly improving.

>

> The enema modifications I'm using for Candida are: morning coffee

> enema(s) has(have) Nystatin added, and some time later a coffee/yogurt

> enema is used. The idea is to re-seed the gut environment with friendly

> bacteria after the fungus is reduced.

>

> An additional tool I've found useful is the bentonite/psyllium shake

> (functioning like the " snake " plumbing tool to help ease material such

> as dead biomass out of the small and large intestines). I respect the

> work of , ND in this area, and have ordered his kit from

> the firm " Arise and Shine, " though I've not yet adopted his full program.

>

> I should note that up until recently I had modified the Gerson juice

> formula into exclusively carrot juice to be compatible with the SCD

> anti-candida diet. Because carrots are not in Bee's plan, I'm off the

> juices for the time being (the carrot juice didn't seem to cause

> problems, and I added extreme amounts of raw garlic cloves to it, in

> addition to diatomaceous earth).

>

> Cam

> SCD June, 2011

>

>

> >

> > Ho Joanne,

> >

> > I have been reading your posts and the others and find them very

> > interesting. I am still reading through the bee site and trying to

> > understand how her healing process is. I have had fibromyalgia for a

> > long time, 20 years, and want really badly to heal. The other day I

> > met a woman that is also healing through different natural treatment,

> > bio identical hormones too. I have been doing the Gerson Therapy for

> > some time, which includes lots of fruits, vegetables (cooked and raw),

> > coffee enemas and some supplements. It has been difficult and slowly I

> > am getting to follow it the way it was intended by Max Gerson. I

> > started October 29th, 2011 with only the food and a week later I

> > started with coffee enemas and slowly with the different supplements.

> > I did eat kind of healthy so it was not a big deal for me. The hardest

> > part was the time invested in preparing every thing. I always have

> > pain, so the first days I could not sleep of pain due to all the

> > activity. Slowly I adapted, sat down while preparing the juices. I

> > also improved the juices by getting Green Star extractor, which makes

> > a big difference. I also try to buy all organic, which is sometimes

> > too expensive.

> > Today for the first time I felt better and more energized. My hip pain

> > is about 20% less and my depression almost disappeared. I did not

> > write earlier because there are many ups and downs and I wanted to

> > make sure that I see some improvement. I am determined to continue

> > until I am cured, so I just wanted to say that we all need to find the

> > way to heal and there are many options as I can see here. I am

> > convinced that our emotions are also very important. I always include

> > visualization, meditation and relaxation. I also absolutely believe in

> > this cure and are very optimistic.

> > A very important aspect is to know that our body can heal in harmony

> > with nature and knowledge about our metabolic system.

> >

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