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Hi ,

No I haven't had an EKG lately and I did tell my endo about the chest pain but they really didn't address it. I had a fast heart rate at my appointment and the nurse asked me if it was normally fast. I told her I didn't think so. I'm resting here at the computer now and I counted 78 beats in one minute, does that seem high? Also, why I was taking my pulse my heart beat felt real strong but then felt real weak like barely beating before the minute was up.

I've had esophaghitis and acid reflux before but this doesn't seem to be in my digestive tract. I have a appt with my family doc on Monday. I guess it should be something I should present to him but since I am wanting him to switch me to Armour I'm worried I want get the switch with having this problem. I hate this so much. My mind is overwhelmed with info and get having a difficult time sorting it out and asking my doc for the right things.

-Dana

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Have you had an EKG recently (heart)? That's first, but also esophageal reflux disease can feel the same way. Have you taken your pulse when all this is going on? It would be my advice to get it checked out. Haven't you told your doctor about this, and hasn't he suggested these same things? I had an acid reflux attack (the first time) a few yrs ago, and it scared me so badly because it felt just like the way I've heard a heart attack described. The tests were run and they discovered the esophageal narrowing, etc....That's why I say you need to get it checked out so you won't have to wonder.

Tx

Has anyone experienced this?

I hate having Hashimotos because it is so confusing to know if the sever Fibromyalgia is just a side effect from it. Anyway, you know how with Fibro your pain migrates so I really never know when a new pain occurs if it involves an organ or not. I have been having this weird chest pain off and on for two weeks now with sometimes an occupying burning sensation. I can't really tell if it is my heart or underside of my breast(sort of in the middle with it being slightly to the left). It has gradually increased to where I have this constant burning sensation with a pain spasm every now and again. It's never been constant like this until today though. It's not unbearable but worrisome.Should I be worried? It's so confusing to know whether it is just another pain associated with this illness or not. I've also had a tightness constant achy pain across my shoulders, my neck and my left forearm for over a month.

Thanks your comments are appreciated!

-Dana

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78 is not bad

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Has anyone experienced this?

I hate having Hashimotos because it is so confusing to know if the sever Fibromyalgia is just a side effect from it. Anyway, you know how with Fibro your pain migrates so I really never know when a new pain occurs if it involves an organ or not. I have been having this weird chest pain off and on for two weeks now with sometimes an occupying burning sensation. I can't really tell if it is my heart or underside of my breast(sort of in the middle with it being slightly to the left). It has gradually increased to where I have this constant burning sensation with a pain spasm every now and again. It's never been constant like this until today though. It's not unbearable but worrisome.Should I be worried? It's so confusing to know whether it is just another pain associated with this illness or not. I've also had a tightness constant achy pain across my shoulders, my neck and my left forearm for over a month.

Thanks your comments are appreciated!

-Dana

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No, 78 BPM is not a fast heartrate. 80 is ok, but anything over that, on a regular basis is too fast, especially when it is sustained over days or several hrs, or on a permanent basis. Palpitations are different, in that the heart rate actually can be slow, but the heart pounds harder, not necessarily faster, but the heart can have two or more beats very close together, and harder, then can pause very slightly, then go back into normal rhythm. The pause may not be noticeable as such, but this is usually what happens at the time you're feeling your heart "jumping out of your chest". For most people it can be frightening or feel like it's taking your breath away, if the palps are hard enough, or the pause is long enough. It could be with change of position, particularly from lying down, or bending over or making anyunusual moves, as in reclining back. I had more palps with my heart rate down to 58-60 BPM (during VERY hypothyroid periods) than I've ever had with it rising to 80 or so. My heart rate runs normally at 72, which is right on the norm. When we aerobicize our hearts during aerobic activities (which is the whole idea of this type of exercise), the heart rate should come up over 100 and sustain that for around 12 minutes or more. ( I forget just how high it should sustain, but anyway). This is what opens up the blood vessels around the heart and thruout the body, in order to deliver more oxygen, work the heart muscle (just like working ANY muscle), and "aerate" the circulatory system. This is healthy in a person who has no coronary artery blockages, and no heart problems. Under normal circumstances, if the heart is working properly, the rate should come back down to a normal 72-80 BPM, resting, within a short period of time. If it won't, then there lies a problem. Therefore, I would still say that you do need this checked out, keeping in mind that the thyroid problems can cause palps and many of these other strange symptoms you are describing. The trouble is that IF there is an underlying problem with your heart or coronaries, then your thyroid med should be titrated upward VERY slowly, if that's what you need. I have heard many good stories about people successfully taking larger amts of Armour and other thyroid meds and titrating them upwards very quickly with no problem, but it isn't going to be me. I believe in moving upward slowly because of the kinds of problems you're describing, even though the original problem may have been caused by undertreatment of the thyroid. I started with a tiny amt of Armour (15 mgs) with half of my usual dose of T4 back sometime in September I believe. I dropped the T4 and took 30 mgs of Armour sometime in there. It was too much too soon for me because my body was so used to "starving" for T3, it was too big a shock, even though I needed the extra T3 and other things the Armour has to offer. I slid up and down on dosages, added back the T4 for a short while, then finally, within the last 3 wks or so, went wholly to the Armour, at first 60 mgs, then right on up to 90 mgs. Four months ago, or even 2 months ago, I couldn't have done that. I had to gradually titrate the dosage up, then down, then up again. It was a pain, but it's worth every minute because now, at least, I feel better than I have for the last two yrs without it. I'm still on my way though. It takes time, patience, and also caution and respect for the fact that these are powerful meds, with a slim margin of error. That's why we're supposed to be tested more often with these meds..

Tx

Has anyone experienced this?

I hate having Hashimotos because it is so confusing to know if the sever Fibromyalgia is just a side effect from it. Anyway, you know how with Fibro your pain migrates so I really never know when a new pain occurs if it involves an organ or not. I have been having this weird chest pain off and on for two weeks now with sometimes an occupying burning sensation. I can't really tell if it is my heart or underside of my breast(sort of in the middle with it being slightly to the left). It has gradually increased to where I have this constant burning sensation with a pain spasm every now and again. It's never been constant like this until today though. It's not unbearable but worrisome.Should I be worried? It's so confusing to know whether it is just another pain associated with this illness or not. I've also had a tightness constant achy pain across my shoulders, my neck and my left forearm for over a month.

Thanks your comments are appreciated!

-Dana

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Thanks for your insights !

-Dana

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No, 78 BPM is not a fast heartrate. 80 is ok, but anything over that, on a regular basis is too fast, especially when it is sustained over days or several hrs, or on a permanent basis. Palpitations are different, in that the heart rate actually can be slow, but the heart pounds harder, not necessarily faster, but the heart can have two or more beats very close together, and harder, then can pause very slightly, then go back into normal rhythm. The pause may not be noticeable as such, but this is usually what happens at the time you're feeling your heart "jumping out of your chest". For most people it can be frightening or feel like it's taking your breath away, if the palps are hard enough, or the pause is long enough. It could be with change of position, particularly from lying down, or bending over or making anyunusual moves, as in reclining back. I had more palps with my heart rate down to 58-60 BPM (during VERY hypothyroid periods) than I've ever had with it rising to 80 or so. My heart rate runs normally at 72, which is right on the norm. When we aerobicize our hearts during aerobic activities (which is the whole idea of this type of exercise), the heart rate should come up over 100 and sustain that for around 12 minutes or more. ( I forget just how high it should sustain, but anyway). This is what opens up the blood vessels around the heart and thruout the body, in order to deliver more oxygen, work the heart muscle (just like working ANY muscle), and "aerate" the circulatory system. This is healthy in a person who has no coronary artery blockages, and no heart problems. Under normal circumstances, if the heart is working properly, the rate should come back down to a normal 72-80 BPM, resting, within a short period of time. If it won't, then there lies a problem. Therefore, I would still say that you do need this checked out, keeping in mind that the thyroid problems can cause palps and many of these other strange symptoms you are describing. The trouble is that IF there is an underlying problem with your heart or coronaries, then your thyroid med should be titrated upward VERY slowly, if that's what you need. I have heard many good stories about people successfully taking larger amts of Armour and other thyroid meds and titrating them upwards very quickly with no problem, but it isn't going to be me. I believe in moving upward slowly because of the kinds of problems you're describing, even though the original problem may have been caused by undertreatment of the thyroid. I started with a tiny amt of Armour (15 mgs) with half of my usual dose of T4 back sometime in September I believe. I dropped the T4 and took 30 mgs of Armour sometime in there. It was too much too soon for me because my body was so used to "starving" for T3, it was too big a shock, even though I needed the extra T3 and other things the Armour has to offer. I slid up and down on dosages, added back the T4 for a short while, then finally, within the last 3 wks or so, went wholly to the Armour, at first 60 mgs, then right on up to 90 mgs. Four months ago, or even 2 months ago, I couldn't have done that. I had to gradually titrate the dosage up, then down, then up again. It was a pain, but it's worth every minute because now, at least, I feel better than I have for the last two yrs without it. I'm still on my way though. It takes time, patience, and also caution and respect for the fact that these are powerful meds, with a slim margin of error. That's why we're supposed to be tested more often with these meds..

Tx

Has anyone experienced this?

I hate having Hashimotos because it is so confusing to know if the sever Fibromyalgia is just a side effect from it. Anyway, you know how with Fibro your pain migrates so I really never know when a new pain occurs if it involves an organ or not. I have been having this weird chest pain off and on for two weeks now with sometimes an occupying burning sensation. I can't really tell if it is my heart or underside of my breast(sort of in the middle with it being slightly to the left). It has gradually increased to where I have this constant burning sensation with a pain spasm every now and again. It's never been constant like this until today though. It's not unbearable but worrisome.Should I be worried? It's so confusing to know whether it is just another pain associated with this illness or not. I've also had a tightness constant achy pain across my shoulders, my neck and my left forearm for over a month.

Thanks your comments are appreciated!

-Dana