Re: Removing prostate

October 18, 2007

- The potential problems associated with prostate removal or any type of treatment involving the prostate gland and surrounding area are impotence and incontinence. Both are a near 100% probability immediately after surgery. A combination of your age, health condition, surgical technique and most importantly the skill of your surgeon, plays a major role in whether or not you will regain these functions in time. Many men in this group have done well regaining these functions after surgery (me included). I'm 48 years old and I'm a 2-year survivor of PCa . It's great to hear myself say that! When the prostate is removed you also no longer have the ability to ejaculate, but you will still be able to have orgasms. Most men agree that with the absence of semen the orgasms are less

intense but still very satisfying. I agree. Mick Manley wrote: What are the problems associated with removing the prostate?--- ManleyGod rewards those that keep on keeping on. Stay positive. Think positive. Pray positive. And talk positive. __________________________________________________

October 18, 2007

The www.cancer.org site explains all pretty well Warren Manley wrote: What are the problems associated with removing the prostate?--- Manley __________________________________________________

October 18, 2007

Mick Did you have Robotic, Davinci surgery? Why did you chose Surgery if you do not mind me asking. I came very close to going surgery however my decision has been to go with Brachytherapy Seed Implant. How long was your recovery time? Rgds WarrenMick Northrop wrote: - The potential problems associated with prostate removal or any type of treatment involving the prostate gland and surrounding area are impotence and incontinence. Both are

a near 100% probability immediately after surgery. A combination of your age, health condition, surgical technique and most importantly the skill of your surgeon, plays a major role in whether or not you will regain these functions in time. Many men in this group have done well regaining these functions after surgery (me included). I'm 48 years old and I'm a 2-year survivor of PCa . It's great to hear myself say that! When the prostate is removed you also no longer have the ability to ejaculate, but you will still be able to have orgasms. Most men agree that with the absence of semen the orgasms are less intense but still very satisfying. I agree. Mick Manley <Jesus.is.healing.my.cancergmail> wrote: What are the problems associated with removing the prostate?--- Manley God rewards those that keep on keeping on. Stay positive. Think positive. Pray positive. And talk positive. __________________________________________________

October 18, 2007

My oncologist told me the meds he has me on chemical castrated me anyway. I have gotten used to that. No testosterone makes sex rather difficult but it sure kicks ass with with the cancer. I was on Cassodex then after a year my PSA jumped from .08 to 3.5. So he switched me to Nilandron which brought my PSA from 3.5 down to 0.3. I can live without sex, but not my life. I don't understand how you guys can still have sex without testosterone??? --- ManleyAlbuquerque, New Mexico On Oct 18, 2007, at Oct 18, 2007 11:02 AM, Mick Northrop wrote: - The potential problems associated with prostate removal or any type of treatment involving the prostate gland and surrounding area are impotence and incontinence. Both are a near 100% probability immediately after surgery. A combination of your age, health condition, surgical technique and most importantly the skill of your surgeon, plays a major role in whether or not you will regain these functions in time. Many men in this group have done well regaining these functions after surgery (me included). I'm 48 years old and I'm a 2-year survivor of PCa . It's great to hear myself say that! When the prostate is removed you also no longer have the ability to ejaculate, but you will still be able to have orgasms. Most men agree that with the absence of semen the orgasms are less intense but still very satisfying. I agree.

October 18, 2007

Thanks Warren. --- ManleyAlbuquerque, New Mexicohttp://web.mac.com/jamespmanley/iWeb/Photoshop_Elementshttp://web.mac.com/jamespmanley/iWeb/Gods_plan/Welcome.html On Oct 18, 2007, at Oct 18, 2007 11:48 AM, Ed wrote:The www.cancer.org site explains all pretty wellWarren Manley <Jesus.is.healing.my.cancergmail> wrote:What are the problems associated with removing the prostate?--- Manley__________________________________________________

October 18, 2007

I can't urinate most of the time & if I take 3 flowmax a day I am up every 30 minutes urinating which means no sleep. I have major pain in my rectum area & I think when it swells-up it is pushing against a nerve.. Besides too many causes dizziness & I already have that problem. --- Manley On Oct 18, 2007, at Oct 18, 2007 11:52 AM, Ed wrote:Why did you chose Surgery if you do not mind me asking.

October 19, 2007

I am 55 and I have been through this. At first, with no prostate but

a normal testosterone level of 270+, sex was not a problem using a

pump. That was over 5 years ago. Then the Lupron started and took

away the testosterone and I lost the ability and the drive.

I dont look at women anymore way I did before. I still look and

admire those babes who work as nurses at Scripps Clinic La Jolla, but

it is more like looking at a piece of art. Sexual thoughts are

history. I still believe I could become attracted to the right women

again. I would have to build a relationship not based on sex, and

wait a long time before it ever led to sex. At that point, there is

always the pump again to get about 10 minutes, and there is

everything else you do before and after sex that is part of it.

Until the day that I meet someone like that, if ever, I have other

things that I get excited about. The excitement of riding my

snowboard down Mammoth Mountain is better than sex. I love active

sports. If I keep doing activities I enjoy, I have no complaints.

If anybody wants to read about my ongoing battle with high grade

advanced prostate cancer, and some of the things I am doing to help

slow it down, you are welcome to my site www.abmicro.com

>

> > - The potential problems associated with prostate removal

or

> > any type of treatment involving the prostate gland and

surrounding

> > area are impotence and incontinence. Both are a near 100%

> > probability immediately after surgery. A combination of your

age,

> > health condition, surgical technique and most importantly the

skill

> > of your surgeon, plays a major role in whether or not you will

> > regain these functions in time. Many men in this group have

done

> > well regaining these functions after surgery (me included). I'm

48

> > years old and I'm a 2-year survivor of PCa . It's great to hear

> > myself say that!

> >

> > When the prostate is removed you also no longer have the ability

to

> > ejaculate, but you will still be able to have orgasms. Most men

> > agree that with the absence of semen the orgasms are less

intense

> > but still very satisfying. I agree.

>

October 19, 2007

What discussions have you had with the urologists about this?

It seems to need a different tack entirely

Re: Removing prostate

I can't urinate most of the time & if I take 3 flowmax a day I am up every 30 minutes urinating which means no sleep. I have major pain in my rectum area & I think when it swells-up it is pushing against a nerve.. Besides too many causes dizziness & I already have that problem.

---

Manley

On Oct 18, 2007, at Oct 18, 2007 11:52 AM, Ed wrote:

Why did you chose Surgery if you do not mind me asking.

October 19, 2007

,

May I ask at what point in your treatment did you find out? I really

hope that it was before the treatment began. I am curious because

some doctors do not communicate as well as they should, so the effects

of various options are not fully explained.

Thanks,

Rick

>

> > - The potential problems associated with prostate removal or

> > any type of treatment involving the prostate gland and surrounding

> > area are impotence and incontinence. Both are a near 100%

> > probability immediately after surgery. A combination of your age,

> > health condition, surgical technique and most importantly the skill

> > of your surgeon, plays a major role in whether or not you will

> > regain these functions in time. Many men in this group have done

> > well regaining these functions after surgery (me included). I'm 48

> > years old and I'm a 2-year survivor of PCa . It's great to hear

> > myself say that!

> >

> > When the prostate is removed you also no longer have the ability to

> > ejaculate, but you will still be able to have orgasms. Most men

> > agree that with the absence of semen the orgasms are less intense

> > but still very satisfying. I agree.

>

October 19, 2007

Hi Jim,

Your statement, "I don't understand how you guys can still

have sex without testosterone???" is easy to understand.

Many men get much pleasure from giving their wives

pleasure.

And just because you don't have testosterone is no

reason not to help her. I attended a conference once

where Dr. Ruth Westheimer was a speaker. She said

that no man can have an excuse for not pleasing his

wife. She said, men have hands, they have a mouth

and even a big toe. So no excuse.

Drs. Scholz and Strum did a small study among some

of their patients who were on Androgen Deprivation Therapy.

These men had little or no libido, but some of them were

able to have erections. And they were happy to report that

they were able to satisfy their wives, which gave them great

satisfaction.

You may have to work at it Jim, but it will be worthwhile. Even

if you can't do anything else, be sure to give her hugs and tell

her you love her every day.

I wish you all the best

Aubrey Pilgrim, DC (Ret.) Author ofA Revolutionary Approach to Prostate Cancer-Read the original book for FREE at: http://www.prostatepointers.org/prostate/lay/apilgrim/Read new edition for FREE at http://www.cancer.prostate-help.org/capilgr.htmDr. E. Crawford is co-author of the revision

My oncologist told me the meds he has me on chemical castrated me anyway. I have gotten used to that. No testosterone makes sex rather difficult but it sure kicks ass with with the cancer. I was on Cassodex then after a year my PSA jumped from .08 to 3.5. So he switched me to Nilandron which brought my PSA from 3.5 down to 0.3. I can live without sex, but not my life. I don't understand how you guys can still have sex without testosterone???

---

Manley

Albuquerque, New Mexico

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October 20, 2007

Ed S. here is another one of the sites found by the search that has

some info you may find of use:

http://www.brachytherapy.com/prost-brachy.html

Fuller

October 20, 2007

ok Thanks Metcalf wrote: Ed We can't decide for you. It has to be your choice with info from us and the medics. What I did was put down on paper each treatment and the pros and cons. Which pros do you want most and which cons can you live with? We'lll

tell you want worked for us and what didn't. You may not have the same experience All of us that have been through this know what a difficult time it is, we empathise. Diagnosed in 1996 Re: Re: Removing prostate Seeds or External? I'm goin nuts decidin.Mick Northrop <mnorthrop1977> wrote: Ed - If you have reservations about surgery don't have it. There are other options available. Do your homework and pick the treatment that you are most comfortable with. If you are curious about a particular type of treatment just ask away. Chances are someone in the group will have experience with it. There's no need to rush yourself. Mick Ed S <rebel523> wrote: I'm 58 but scared of the op.allanbrandt <Allanabmicro> wrote: I am 55 and I have been through this. At first, with no prostate but a normal testosterone level of 270+, sex was not a problem using a pump. That was over 5 years ago. Then the Lupron started and took away the testosterone and I lost the ability and the drive.I dont look at women anymore way I did before. I still look and admire those babes who work as nurses at Scripps Clinic La Jolla, but it is more like looking at a piece of art. Sexual thoughts are history. I still believe I could become attracted to the right women again. I would have to build a relationship not based on sex, and wait a long time before it ever led to sex. At that point, there is

always the pump again to get about 10 minutes, and there is everything else you do before and after sex that is part of it.Until the day that I meet someone like that, if ever, I have other things that I get excited about. The excitement of riding my snowboard down Mammoth Mountain is better than sex. I love active sports. If I keep doing activities I enjoy, I have no complaints.If anybody wants to read about my ongoing battle with high grade advanced prostate cancer, and some of the things I am doing to help slow it down, you are welcome to my site www.abmicro.com--- In ProstateCancerSupport , Manley wrote:>> My oncologist told me the meds he has me on chemical castrated me > anyway. I have gotten used to that. No testosterone makes sex rather

> difficult but it sure kicks ass with with the cancer. I was on > Cassodex then after a year my PSA jumped from .08 to 3.5. So he > switched me to Nilandron which brought my PSA from 3.5 down to 0.3. I > can live without sex, but not my life. I don't understand how you > guys can still have sex without testosterone???> ---> Manley> Albuquerque, New Mexico> > > > On Oct 18, 2007, at Oct 18, 2007 11:02 AM, Mick > Northrop wrote:> > > - The potential problems associated with prostate removal or > > any type of treatment involving the prostate gland and surrounding > > area are impotence and incontinence. Both are a near 100% > > probability immediately after surgery. A combination of your age, > > health condition, surgical technique and most importantly the skill > > of your

surgeon, plays a major role in whether or not you will > > regain these functions in time. Many men in this group have done > > well regaining these functions after surgery (me included). I'm 48 > > years old and I'm a 2-year survivor of PCa . It's great to hear > > myself say that!> >> > When the prostate is removed you also no longer have the ability to > > ejaculate, but you will still be able to have orgasms. Most men > > agree that with the absence of semen the orgasms are less intense > > but still very satisfying. I agree.> __________________________________________________

October 20, 2007

Thank YouFuller wrote: Ed S.: As says. we cannot decide this thing for you. Have you used a search engine such as Google, and entered a search term such as: "HDR vs. LDR Brachytherapy" and studied the results? If you do you will see that the opinions , and that is what they are, are different even from experts. One particular statement stands out in my mind after reading one of the abstracts of a study of about 250 men in which the two methods

were compared: "The most significant complication was urethral stricture, which occurred in 4 HDR patients." This was only one study, but it is this sort of information upon which you can perhaps reach your own conclusion. Also, as I suggested earlier, find the best hospital, with modern up to date imaging equipment (important in the placement of the seeds), and the docs that have done a lot of whatever procedure you decide on. Fuller >> Ed> > We can't decide for you. It has to be your choice with info from us and the medics.> > > What I did was put down on paper each treatment and the pros and cons. Which pros do you want most and which cons can you live with? We'lll tell you want worked for us and what didn't. You

may not have the same experience> > All of us that have been through this know what a difficult time it is, we empathise.> > > Diagnosed in 1996> Re: Re: Removing prostate> > > Seeds or External? I'm goin nuts decidin. __________________________________________________

October 20, 2007

I never asked for any of you to make this decision for me. I only asked for the problems associated with removing the prostate. I can't make an intelligent decision without all the facts. --- Manley On Oct 20, 2007, at Oct 20, 2007 5:39 AM, Fuller wrote:As says. we cannot decide this thing for you.

October 20, 2007

As far as finding the right hospital goes, I am stuck with The University of New Mexico because I get financial aid there. I realize that UNM is a bad choice because their surgeons screw up a lot. I have heard of simple hand surgeries that resulted in a deformed hand, others complained about leaving tissue in areas that they didn't belong so the patient couldn't urinate.I am on permeant disability right now & I can't get Medicare until I have been on disability for 2 years. My 2 years will be up next September. --- Manley On Oct 20, 2007, at Oct 20, 2007 5:39 AM, Fuller wrote:Have you used a search engine such as Google, and entered a search term such as:"HDR vs. LDR Brachytherapy" and studied the results?If you do you will see that the opinions , and that is what they are, are different even from experts. One particular statement stands out in my mind after reading one of the abstracts of a study of about 250 men in which the two methods were compared: "The most significant complication was urethral stricture, which occurred in 4 HDR patients." This was only one study, but it is this sort of information upon which you can perhaps reach your own conclusion. Also, as I suggested earlier, find the best hospital, with modern up to date imaging equipment (important in the placement of the seeds), and the docs that have done a lot of whatever procedure you decide on.

October 20, 2007

That IS what I am doing. --- ManleyAlbuquerque, New Mexicohttp://web.mac.com/jamespmanley/iWeb/Photoshop_Elementshttp://web.mac.com/jamespmanley/iWeb/Gods_plan/Welcome.html On Oct 20, 2007, at Oct 20, 2007 4:52 AM, Metcalf wrote:Ed - If you have reservations about surgery don't have it. There are other options available. Do your homework and pick the treatment that you are most comfortable with. If you are curious about a particular type of treatment just ask away.

October 20, 2007

Hi JP.

It may be as you say and the UNM may screw up sometimes but I would bet that most of the time outcomes are satisfactory. Have you had any primary treatment there? What has been done so far? What are your present statistics.? Thousands of men have their prostates removed by various means and are living meaningful lives.

I hope you find the answers you are seeking.

"il faut d'abord durer" Hemingway

Re: Re: Removing prostate

October 20, 2007

That is exactly what I am experiencing. --- Manley On Oct 20, 2007, at Oct 20, 2007 4:52 AM, Metcalf wrote:allanbrandt <Allanabmicro> wrote:I am 55 and I have been through this. At first, with no prostate but a normal testosterone level of 270+, sex was not a problem using a pump. That was over 5 years ago. Then the Lupron started and took away the testosterone and I lost the ability and the drive.

October 20, 2007

Please explain the pump. I have not heard of that. --- ManleyAlbuquerque, New Mexicohttp://web.mac.com/jamespmanley/iWeb/Photoshop_Elements On Oct 20, 2007, at Oct 20, 2007 4:52 AM, Metcalf wrote:I dont look at women anymore way I did before. I still look and admire those babes who work as nurses at Scripps Clinic La Jolla, but it is more like looking at a piece of art. Sexual thoughts are history. I still believe I could become attracted to the right women again. I would have to build a relationship not based on sex, and wait a long time before it ever led to sex. At that point, there is always the pump again to get about 10 minutes, and there is everything else you do before and after sex that is part of it.

October 20, 2007

I used to ski Mammoth & June mountains when I was younger. I was a biker for 20 years & I can't do much for the club due to a hand surgery gone bad. All I can think about is ridding a Harley again. --- ManleyAlbuquerque, New Mexicohttp://web.mac.com/jamespmanley/iWeb/Photoshop_Elements On Oct 20, 2007, at Oct 20, 2007 4:52 AM, Metcalf wrote:Until the day that I meet someone like that, if ever, I have other things that I get excited about. The excitement of riding my snowboard down Mammoth Mountain is better than sex. I love active sports. If I keep doing activities I enjoy, I have no complaints.

October 20, 2007

The examples I mentioned happened to me & The Hospital Admin. wasn't concerned. They criticized me for changing doctors. If one doctor deforms my hand (DR Mikola) and she refuses to do surgery to repair the damage, then I have to choose another. She will be costing UNM a major law suit. --- ManleyAlbuquerque, New Mexicohttp://web.mac.com/jamespmanley/iWeb/Photoshop_Elements On Oct 20, 2007, at Oct 20, 2007 12:16 PM, Kennedy wrote:t may be as you say and the UNM may screw up sometimes but I would bet that most of the time outcomes are satisfactory. Have you had any primary treatment there? What has been done so far? What are your present statistics.? Thousands of men have their prostates removed by various means and are living meaningful lives.

October 20, 2007

Find out what? If you are talking about the lack of sex it was before I was diagnosed. --- ManleyAlbuquerque, New Mexicohttp://web.mac.com/jamespmanley/iWeb/Photoshop_Elements On Oct 19, 2007, at Oct 19, 2007 4:32 AM, Rick wrote:May I ask at what point in your treatment did you find out? I reallyhope that it was before the treatment began. I am curious becausesome doctors do not communicate as well as they should, so the effectsof various options are not fully explained.

October 20, 2007

, these threads are getting confusing! The reply of mine was

addressed to Ed. S. who was trying to decide between HDR and LDR

brachytherapy. Sorry for the mix-up.

Fuller

>

> > As says. we cannot decide this thing for you.

>

October 20, 2007

Same with me. Urologist gave me Cialis & Viagra but not to be taken in

conjunction with each other. It is the other medication that I have to

take that makes it very difficult with sex. The sensitivity has

departed. It could be the Flomax, or anti-depressants. Which ever I do

not like. Embarrassed to go out on a date because of lack of

performance. Bob

>

> > May I ask at what point in your treatment did you find out? I really

> > hope that it was before the treatment began. I am curious because

> > some doctors do not communicate as well as they should, so the effects

> > of various options are not fully explained.

>

October 20, 2007

By Pump, I mean vacuum device. It is used for getting temporary

erection for serious problems dysfunction from prostate surgery or

diabetes. The pump works naturally without drugs and has no side

effects. It is a healthy choice to prevent shrinkage and muscle loss

caused by androgen deprevation drugs. It is for short term use, perhaps

10 minutes of sex. Get a doctor prescribed device such as the osbon

ercicaid, or SomaErect Response II Manual Vacuum Therapy System.

Insurance will cover it if you had your prostate removed or are on

lupron. You can find them on the net cheaper if you cant get covered.

Don't even look at the pumps in the sex shops. They are useless.

WROTE: Please explain the pump. I have not heard of that.

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