Re: links between mbti and AS

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Freeman wrote:

> and then a decade ago i became aware of the 2012 event........ which

> is a plausible explanation as much as could be for such an event.

Do you mean 23 Dec 2012? " The End " according to Aztec Prophecy.

I heard about it quite some time ago, and wrote it down in an old

notebook. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

Ever hear of Heinrich Heine? I was watching a show on the History

channel today, and they said that he predicted the First and Second

World Wars, and a Third too, sometime around 1990 to 2010. Hmmm,

when did the first Persian Gulf war start?

Anyway, they also mentioned a Mathias Stornberger and Burkhardt,

some other prophets like Nostradamus. I was just going to start

googling them before I read your post. I'll do that now.

Clay

> A polar reversal, volcanic/tectonic event or asteroid impact or the

> second Coming of Christ are the other possibilities i entertain. Yikes.

> i do not WANT to know the future. EVER.

> if anyone has similar experiences, i want to hear them. i think

> there are a lot of AS people with really " mad skillz " some just now

> developing. This is the first time i've talked about this outside of

> the immediate family, feel driven to do so in the hope someone else

> has similar or related tales. I'm quickly forgetting to be afraid or

> annoyed with disagreement and ridicule, so let it fly.

>

> frances freeman aka trk

>

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I wrote:

> Ever hear of Heinrich Heine? I was watching a show on the History

> channel today, and they said that he predicted the First and Second

> World Wars, and a Third too, sometime around 1990 to 2010. Hmmm,

> when did the first Persian Gulf war start?

According to Wikpedia:

Matthias Stormberger was a Bavarian mystic who many say predicted

World War I, World War II and an upcoming war (possibly World War

III). He also predicted the technological advances of the 19th Century.

According to the research of J.R. Nyquist, the following is an English

translation of Matthias Stormberger's World War predictions:

" Two or three decades after the first war it will come a second war

still larger. Almost all the nations of the world will be involved.

Millions of men will die without being soldiers. Fire will fall from

the sky and many great cities will be destroyed. And after the end of

the Second Great War, a third universal conflagration will come. There

will be weapons totally new. In one day more men will die than in all

previous wars. The battles will be accomplished with artificial

weapons. Gigantic catastrophes will happen. Overnight it will take

place -- in a pub in Zwiesel many people will be together, and outside

the soldiers will ride over the bridge. The people will run out into

the forest. Those, who hide themselves at the " Fuchsenriegel " or at

the " Falkenstein " remain spared. "

Okay, it was Stormberger, and not Heine, who predicted 3 world wars.

Now to Google Burkhardt. But Wiki isn't being very helpful about more

details.

> Anyway, they also mentioned a Mathias Stornberger and Burkhardt,

> some other prophets like Nostradamus. I was just going to start

> googling them before I read your post. I'll do that now.

>

> Clay

>

>

>

>

> > A polar reversal, volcanic/tectonic event or asteroid impact or the

> > second Coming of Christ are the other possibilities i entertain.

Yikes.

> > i do not WANT to know the future. EVER.

> > if anyone has similar experiences, i want to hear them. i think

> > there are a lot of AS people with really " mad skillz " some just now

> > developing. This is the first time i've talked about this outside of

> > the immediate family, feel driven to do so in the hope someone else

> > has similar or related tales. I'm quickly forgetting to be afraid or

> > annoyed with disagreement and ridicule, so let it fly.

> >

> > frances freeman aka trk

> >

>

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Delila wrote:

>... Ever since I was a kid I've always said that I don't want to get too

>old, 50 maybe.

It's possible to enjoy life after 50. After 50 isn't all that

different from before. So often I feel like a kid among grown-ups!

Jane (57)

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> I actually want something major to happen, something that'll force

> society to completely rearrange itself. The way things are going now,

> is unsustainable...everything is just so crazy and over the top, it

> feels like we're all running off a cliff (well the herd-conformists,

> anyway).

yeah, that's one reason why i just bought a little house on a 0.827

acres of land. i want to learn to live sustainably and independently of

society.

> Now we're embroiled in Iraq and maybe we'll be at war with Iran next.

> Please somebody tell me that it's possible to recall a president...

perhaps a president somewhere, but not the u.s. president.

he can be impeached by congress, though, and kicked out, and that would

make cheney president, unless they kick him out, too. then i don't

remember who would be president.

-dave

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Dave wrote:

yeah, that's one reason why i just bought a little house on a 0.827

acres of land. i want to learn to live sustainably and independently of

society.

wouldn't help me much - after having a double transplant, I'd only run out of

meds sooner or later. That's pretty hard to accept because I'm already on 2.5

acres and it wouldn't do me any good whatsoever. I can stock up for about three

years head, but the meds would get outdated, and if I ever got sick - transplant

related - it would be a slow tortuous death. Now I always have to be near a

hospital. Sucks. On the other hand, I'm alive...

When I was a kid I used to plan in my head for 'the end of the world'. I had my

little place underground, with all kinds of food, and funny, nobody but me.

Joanne

Re: Re: links between mbti and AS

> I actually want something major to happen, something that'll force

> society to completely rearrange itself. The way things are going now,

> is unsustainable. ..everything is just so crazy and over the top, it

> feels like we're all running off a cliff (well the herd-conformists,

> anyway).

yeah, that's one reason why i just bought a little house on a 0.827

acres of land. i want to learn to live sustainably and independently of

society.

> Now we're embroiled in Iraq and maybe we'll be at war with Iran next.

> Please somebody tell me that it's possible to recall a president...

perhaps a president somewhere, but not the u.s. president.

he can be impeached by congress, though, and kicked out, and that would

make cheney president, unless they kick him out, too. then i don't

remember who would be president.

-dave

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Dave wrote:

>perhaps a president somewhere, but not the u.s. president.

>he can be impeached by congress, though, and kicked out, and that would

>make cheney president, unless they kick him out, too. then i don't

>remember who would be president.

Pelosi, Speaker of the House.

Two slogans from recent demonstrations:

" Impeach Cheney first "

and:

Impeach

Convict

Remove

Repeat

Jane

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Wow, I can totally relate to your experiences, all of them, including the dreams

and premonitions, the high energy communication states, the predictions that I

would come into my proper role later in life, etc.

This all points to what I've been saying, that the increase in AS folks is

part of the collective consciousness of humanity adjusting to a different level,

as we reach a tipping point. The year 2112 is said to be the end of a major

cycle, not the end of everything. A new cycle will begin after this, and the

transition could well be chaotic.

When my family and I were evacuating from Hurricane Katrina, I remained calm

and alert, making the best of everything. I felt us caught up in a force

greater than ourselves, and if I remained in a state of watchful acceptance I

could negotiate the changes. A saying often came to mind during that time,

" when things get weird, the weird turn pro. " Katrina was a local scale

disaster, in that as soon as we were 100 miles away from the Gulf coast,

everything was normal. The changes in 2112 will be planet wide, and I believe

that the same manner will see us through.

Thanks for sharing this (which I've quoted only in part as I don't like long

re-quotes), I can relate and probably many of us can.

Joni

Re:

....Direct experience of the Divine with no intervening dogma or clergy

is called mysticism, and i believe it fits AS people very well no

matter if it's Christian, Jewish, Islamic or Pagan based, i believe

it is humankind's naturalborn state before socialization to parents

and then group identity obscures it. I have investigated a lot of

religious and spiritual groups and found both Truthful goodness and

not-so-good ego-driven politics in all of them, by the very nature of

the fact that they were groups of humans. Dominance hierarchy mode

conflicts badly with the AS operating system on many levels....

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> Dave wrote:

>> perhaps a president somewhere, but not the u.s. president.

>> he can be impeached by congress, though, and kicked out, and that would

>> make cheney president, unless they kick him out, too. then i don't

>> remember who would be president.

>

> Pelosi, Speaker of the House.

wow, wouldn't that be a crazy change!

-dave

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>

> perhaps a president somewhere, but not the u.s. president.

> he can be impeached by congress, though, and kicked out, and that would

> make cheney president, unless they kick him out, too. then i don't

> remember who would be president.

Pelosi, the Speaker of the House.

D.

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----- Original Message -----

>

> The year 2112 is said to be the end of a major cycle, not the end of

> everything. A new cycle will begin after this, and the transition could

> well be chaotic.

Do you mean 2012?

>

> When my family and I were evacuating from Hurricane Katrina, I remained

> calm and alert, making the best of everything. I felt us caught up in a

> force greater than ourselves, and if I remained in a state of watchful

> acceptance I could negotiate the changes. A saying often came to mind

> during that time, " when things get weird, the weird turn pro. "

I don't deal with crisis situations well; I tend to go to pieces.

> Katrina was a local scale disaster, in that as soon as we were 100 miles

> away from the Gulf coast, everything was normal. The changes in 2112 will

> be planet wide, and I believe that the same manner will see us through.

Do you think the worldwide temperature changes we've been experiencing is

the precursor to this? It's global warming and more?

D.

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> ----- Original Message -----

> 

>

>> Do you mean 23 Dec 2012?   " The End " according to Aztec Prophecy.

>> I heard about it quite some time ago, and wrote it down in an old

>> notebook.  Guess we'll have to wait and see.

>

>

> I actually want something major to happen, something that'll force

> society to completely rearrange itself. The way things are going

> now, is unsustainable...everything is just so crazy and over the

> top, it feels like we're all running off a cliff (well the herd-

> conformists, anyway). As far as I know 12-21-2012 will be the End

> of an Age or era, not the end of the world. I hope I'm spiritually

> evolved enough to survive and experience what the world will be

> like after the Big Event, but if I perish, that's okay, too.

To me, 23 Dec 2012 (and 24 Dec 2012 and Jan 1 of any year) are arbitrary dates

with no special significance at all. Many calendrical systems have been

developed by humans (including my own invention). What is so special about the

Mayan one? It was ingenious and convoluted ( see

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_count )

but, so what. I wouldn't give it a second thought.

I would agree the world is in a state of rapid change - but it's done that

before (eg. beginning of Industrial revolution). Cataclysmic events are usually

unpredictable and I don't see how that ancient calendar has much of anything to

do with current events.

-June (INTJ - obviously

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I opined:

> To me, 23 Dec 2012 (and 24 Dec 2012 and Jan 1 of any year) are

> arbitrary dates with no special significance at all.  Many

> calendrical systems have been developed by humans (including my own

> invention).  What is so special about the Mayan one?   It was

> ingenious and convoluted ( see

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_count )

> but, so what. I wouldn't give it a second thought.

>

> I would agree the world is in a state of rapid change - but it's

> done that before (eg. beginning of Industrial revolution).

> Cataclysmic events are usually unpredictable and I don't see how

> that ancient calendar has much of anything to do with current

> events.

>

> -June (INTJ - obviously

From my copy of " Frequently Asked Questions about Calendars Version 2.6 " by

Claus Tøndering

begin quote:

The years of the Haab calendar are not counted. The length of the Tzolkin year

was 260 days and the length of the Haab year was 365 days. The smallest number

that can be divided evenly by 260 and 365 is 18,980, or 365 × 52; this was known

as the Calendar Round. If a day is, for example, " 4 Ahau 8 Cumku, " the next day

falling on " 4 Ahau 8 Cumku " would be 18,980 days or about 52 years later. Among

the Aztec, the end of a Calendar Round was a time of public panic as it was

thought the world might be coming to an end. When the Pleiades crossed the

horizon on 4 Ahau 8 Cumku, they knew the world had been granted another 52-year

extension.

end quote.

I guess that's kind of like the rising sun meaning we have been given one more

day (or at least one more morning) of life.

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Jane wrote:

> Gad. That's even worse than the stuff we were reading> class last quarter. In

Iran, two calendars are used simultaneously;

> the solar-based calendar is 11 days longer than the lunar-based

> calendar. Plus, in the old days, every single day of each month had

> it's own name. Some of the day names were the same as month names.

Interesting. I don't know much about the Persian calendar but yes, the Maya used

3 calendar systems at the same time with only one corresponding to the actual

solar year. Calendars & timekeeping systems are definitely one of my

perseverations but unfortunately I can't devote as much time to it as I would

like these days. When I first read of the Maya system I was very intrigued at

how involved it was and how all the numbers lined up. It reveals to me that,

although, a primitive culture, they thought about this for a long time and made

a system that worked for them.

They are also said to have been able to calculate some astronomical event (I

forget which - maybe the orbit of Venus) to a very high degree of accuracy, but

this was nothing magical or mystical or contact with ancient astronauts. They

did it by using long-term observation and successive approximation, which as I

understand it, is not an advanced math concept.

Back to time, the subject of that is, I know that even today although the

Gregorian or Western calendar is the main one used in the World today, many

cultures use alternative systems as well, even if those systems may not be the

one in official use. When a culture becomes dominant, one of the first things

they do is impose their system of time-keeping on the people they subjugate.

Perhaps the recent change to DST in the United States is only for saving energy

but I can can also see another more sinister reason for it

June