Re: Re: HCL question

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,Can HCL cause burning or does it act like an antacid in terms of neutralizing acid? I'm interested in exploring it but have recently been battling major acid problems from my hydrocortisone which are just now resolving and dont want to aggravate that...Thanks,Hi Venezia ~I take HCL in the form of a product called Zypan by Standard Process. Youcan order it from www.naturamart.com, or check www.standardprocess.com for apractitioner (chiro, etc) who sells it.From the product info I have:Zypan is a Pepsin and Hydrochloric Acid supplement. HCL acid products runin contradistinction to the most popular drug of the modern era: theantacid. The antacid is very poor biochemistry, as it neutralizes one ofthe most important of all bodily secretions, HCL. Zypan provides pepsin andHCL to aid in the digestive process. The product contains betainehydrochloride, pancreatin, and pepsin. It is used to help people who cannotdigest their food properly due to insufficient digestive enzymes in thestomach and duodenum.take care,~-----Original Message-----, I know HCL in hydrocloric acid but what form does it come in?

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An antacid neutralized what HCL you do have in your digestive system, leaving you with less than you did before. Taking HCL gives your body MORE of what it needs. The major acid problem is from your lack of HCL. Antacids make the problem worse, not better. I look for a few other articles I have on it an post them asap.

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-----Original Message-----From: RT3_T3 [mailto:RT3_T3 ]On Behalf Of RomanSent: Friday, August 15, 2008 2:15 PMTo: RT3_T3 Subject: Re: Re: HCL question

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Can HCL cause burning or does it act like an antacid in terms of neutralizing acid? I'm interested in exploring it but have recently been battling major acid problems from my hydrocortisone which are just now resolving and dont want to aggravate that...

Thanks,

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I usually take 2 T Milk of Mag before bed nightly. How will that effect my HCL production the next day? Could this have anything to do with low ferritin levels? Thanks, Hi ~ An antacid neutralized what HCL you do have in your digestive system, leaving you with less than you did before. Taking HCL gives your body MORE of what it needs. The major acid problem is from your lack of HCL. Antacids make the problem worse, not better. I look for a few other articles I have on it an post them asap. take care,~ Re: Re: HCL question,Can HCL cause burning or does it act like an antacid in terms of neutralizing acid? I'm interested in exploring it but have recently been battling major acid problems from my hydrocortisone which are just now resolving and dont want to aggravate that...Thanks,_.___

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Val said earlier today to take 1/2 t. cider vinegar in 2 ounces of water. If it helps my tummy pain, that mean I have too little acid and HCL would help. If it makes it worse, then I have too much acid. A bit hard to tell....I seem to be having a resurgence of the tummy pain with doses today--without respect to taking the vinegar-- after I just got rid of it.When I had this two weeks ago it went along with major bloating. My doc explained they often go together! This I'm sure will be a very beginner question but how do we know if we have to much or to little acid?> > > Hi Venezia ~> >> > I take HCL in the form of a product called Zypan by Standard > > Process. You> > can order it from www.naturamart.com, or check > > www.standardprocess.com for a> > practitioner (chiro, etc) who sells it.> >> > From the product info I have:> >> > Zypan is a Pepsin and Hydrochloric Acid supplement. HCL acid > > products run> > in contradistinction to the most popular drug of the modern era: the> > antacid. The antacid is very poor biochemistry, as it neutralizes > > one of> > the most important of all bodily secretions, HCL. Zypan provides > > pepsin and> > HCL to aid in the digestive process. The product contains betaine> > hydrochloride, pancreatin, and pepsin. It is used to help people > > who cannot> > digest their food properly due to insufficient digestive enzymes in > > the> > stomach and duodenum.> >> > take care,> > ~> >> > -----Original Message-----> >> > , I know HCL in hydrocloric acid but what form does it come in?> >> >> >>

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Hi ~

I have no idea. Sorry.

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Re: Re: HCL question

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Can HCL cause burning or does it act like an antacid in terms of neutralizing acid? I'm interested in exploring it but have recently been battling major acid problems from my hydrocortisone which are just now resolving and dont want to aggravate that...

Thanks,

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Hi ~

I found this in one of my Health Alert newsletters by Dr. Bruce West (www.healthalert.com):

GAS AND BLOATING AFTER EATING: SO COMMON - IT'S "NORMAL"

If you do not digest your foods properly (especially meats and proteins), beginning in the stomach, you will suffer from gas, bloating, fullness after meals, and even allergic reactions such as hives and allergies. This is all too common. And it has to do with a series of bad habits, and a slow loss of natural digestive enzymes.

The bad habits are easy to fix. You simply need to chew your food thoroughly and eat whole foods that your body can digest naturally. Processed foods are not something that your body recognizes as food that can be properly digested. In other words, for some of these processed-food concoctions, a human digestive enzyme does not exist. It would be as if you at a plate of plastic or wood. ['s comment: you may also want to read more about this in Sally Fallon's Nourishing Traditions. She gives excellent information on how our bodies are unable to breakdown certain foods, i.e. grains and nuts, and that traditional ways of preparation included fermenting or soaking were used as pre-digestive practices.]

Finally, if you are like some people (especially those with impaired digestion, you may need to combine foods for easier digestion. Basically that mans eating proteins with complex carbohydrates (meat with vegetables). Do not combine starches (potatoes, etc) with meat. Only eat fruit by itself. Some folks even advocate eating only fruit before noon. The most radical form of food combining is eating one food per meal. Most people do not have to go this far. But for hundreds of people that I know personally, food combining has brought digestive relief.

Adequate Acids and Enzymes

If you suffer from indegestion, gas, and bloating, you should not take stomach acids. Antacids cover up the symptoms and make the problem worse. Food will generally not leave your stomach until fully acted upon by digestive enzymes. So, without adequate amounts of these enzymes, food will stay in your stomach for long periods of time. Or worse, with digestive failure in the stomach, food that is not properly digested will be finally passed along to your intestines. This condition causes sever indigestion, gas, and even allergic reactions.

Animal protein (meat) is digested (liquified) in your stomach by the enzyme pepsin. Pepsin is activated by hydrochloric acid (a catalyst). Proteins and meat entering your small intestine as undigested proteins are extremely toxic to your system. In the intestine, undigested protein unergoes putrefaction, giving off poisonous end products called guanidine (a constipation toxin), and histamine (and allergen that often causes allergies, hives, and more), among others. This process is very different from the way adequately digested and liquified proteins enter the lower digestive tract - as amino acids and peptones, which are needed to build a strong, healthy body.

This is a natural phenomenon that connot be disputed. You simply cannot go against the laws of nature and expect something other than the usual miserable triad of gas, bloating, and allergic fullness after meals. So think twice about whta you eat. Make sure you chew. Combine foods if necessary. Drink pure water. Stop using antacids and acid blockers. And if your digestive system as been depleted from years of abuse, rebuild it with digestive enzymes.

We use Zypan from Standard Process as the premier digestive enzyme product because it is so effective at rebuilding the protein digestion system. Undigested proteins cause many more problems than fats, carbohydrated, and sugars. Try 1 to 3 Zypan tablets per meal and judge your response. If Zypan causes burning, you may have an ulcer that need to be healed first. If your digestion improves with Zypan and the other treatments discussed in this article, you are on your way to better health.

Gas, bloating, fullness, allergies, and hives? Think digestion, not antacids.

hope this helps!

~

-----Original Message-----From: RT3_T3 [mailto:RT3_T3 ]On Behalf Of RomanSent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:05 PMTo: RT3_T3 Subject: Re: Re: HCL questionVal said earlier today to take 1/2 t. cider vinegar in 2 ounces of water. If it helps my tummy pain, that mean I have too little acid and HCL would help. If it makes it worse, then I have too much acid. A bit hard to tell....I seem to be having a resurgence of the tummy pain with doses today--without respect to taking the vinegar-- after I just got rid of it.

When I had this two weeks ago it went along with major bloating. My doc explained they often go together!

Chris

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Thanks . I have Sally Fallon's Nourishing Traditions. Isn't it the greatest? I love that the recipes are whole foods and easy to make and that she has that whole intro section de-bunking food myths w/it all footnoted in scientific literature!  The weird thing is I've never experienced bloating or digestion problems or stomach acid issues until starting HC. It doesn't happen after meals but after HC doses I get the burning. I read up yesterday and learned how hypo people produce not enough HCL so it would SEEM I'm likely to have not enough acid rather than too much. Can't tell if the vinegar is helping while I wait for my HCL to come, although on Dr. Rind's site he says to take 1 T. with each meal and I'm doing 1/2 t. for now.I am now thinking that if I can get to the root of my poor absorption issues in my gut, it might be the key to much faster recovery as I'm on high doses of HC since they don't absorb well. One also wonders about absorption of my T3 since it's also a capsule I swallow! And my adrenal rebuilders to heal my adrenals plus supps! Hi ~ I found this in one of my Health Alert newsletters by Dr. Bruce West (www.healthalert.com): GAS AND BLOATING AFTER EATING:  SO COMMON - IT'S "NORMAL"     If you do not digest your foods properly (especially meats and proteins), beginning in the stomach, you will suffer from gas, bloating, fullness after meals, and even allergic reactions such as hives and allergies.  This is all too common.  And it has to do with a series of bad habits, and a slow loss of natural digestive enzymes.     The bad habits are easy to fix.  You simply need to chew your food thoroughly and eat whole foods that your body can digest naturally.  Processed foods are not something that your body recognizes as food that can be properly digested.  In other words, for some of these processed-food concoctions, a human digestive enzyme does not exist.  It would be as if you at a plate of plastic or wood.  ['s comment:  you may also want to read more about this in Sally Fallon's Nourishing Traditions.   She gives excellent information on how our bodies are unable to breakdown certain foods, i.e. grains and nuts, and that traditional ways of preparation included fermenting or soaking were used as pre-digestive practices.]     Finally, if you are like some people (especially those with impaired digestion, you may need to combine foods for easier digestion.  Basically that mans eating proteins with complex carbohydrates (meat with vegetables).  Do not combine starches (potatoes, etc) with meat.  Only eat fruit by itself.  Some folks even advocate eating only fruit before noon.  The most radical form of food combining is eating one food per meal.  Most people do not have to go this far.  But for hundreds of people that I know personally, food combining has brought digestive relief. Adequate Acids and Enzymes     If you suffer from indegestion, gas, and bloating, you should not take stomach acids.  Antacids cover up the symptoms and make the problem worse.  Food will generally not leave your stomach until fully acted upon by digestive enzymes.  So, without adequate amounts of these enzymes, food will stay in your stomach for long periods of time.  Or worse, with digestive failure in the stomach, food that is not properly digested will be finally passed along to your intestines.  This condition causes sever indigestion, gas, and even allergic reactions.     Animal protein (meat) is digested (liquified) in your stomach by the enzyme pepsin.  Pepsin is activated by hydrochloric acid (a catalyst).  Proteins and meat entering your small intestine as  undigested proteins are extremely toxic to your system.  In the intestine, undigested protein unergoes putrefaction, giving off poisonous end products calledguanidine (a constipation toxin), and histamine (and allergen that often causes allergies, hives, and more), among others.  This process is very different from the way adequately digested and liquified proteins enter the lower digestive tract - as amino acids and peptones, which are needed to build a strong, healthy body.     This is a natural phenomenon that connot be disputed.  You simply cannot go against the laws of nature and expect something other than the usual miserable triad of gas, bloating, and allergic fullness after meals.  So think twice about whta you eat.  Make sure you chew.  Combine foods if necessary.  Drink pure water.  Stop using antacids and acid blockers.  And if your digestive system as been depleted from years of abuse, rebuild it with digestive enzymes.     We use Zypan from Standard Process as the premier digestive enzyme product because it is so effective at rebuilding the protein digestion system.  Undigested proteins cause many more problems than fats, carbohydrated, and sugars.  Try 1 to 3 Zypan tablets per meal and judge your response.  If Zypan causes burning, you may have an ulcer that need to be healed first.  If your digestion improves with Zypan and the other treatments discussed in this article, you are on your way to better health.     Gas, bloating, fullness, allergies, and hives?  Think digestion, not antacids.  hope this helps!~   Re: Re: HCL questionVal said earlier today to take 1/2 t. cider vinegar in 2 ounces of water. If it helps my tummy pain, that mean I have too little acid and HCL would help. If it makes it worse, then I have too much acid. A bit hard to tell....I seem to be having a resurgence of the tummy pain with doses today--without respect to taking the vinegar-- after I just got rid of it.When I had this two weeks ago it went along with major bloating. My doc explained they often go together!Chris 

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Hi ~

I didn't have any acid reflux before HCL and forgetting the Zypan (HCl), either. I've been taking digestive enzymes for years on the advice of my holistic practitioner, along with liquid amino acids. Sometimes it gets overwhelming and I let some things slack. I'm so glad Val brought up the HCl/HC issue: it reminded me to take all my enzymes! That old axiom of "you are what you eat", should really be, "you are what you digest".

take care,

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-----Original Message-----From: RT3_T3 [mailto:RT3_T3 ]On Behalf Of RomanSent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 12:04 PMTo: RT3_T3 Subject: Re: Re: HCL questionThanks . I have Sally Fallon's Nourishing Traditions. Isn't it the greatest? I love that the recipes are whole foods and easy to make and that she has that whole intro section de-bunking food myths w/it all footnoted in scientific literature!

The weird thing is I've never experienced bloating or digestion problems or stomach acid issues until starting HC. It doesn't happen after meals but after HC doses I get the burning.

I read up yesterday and learned how hypo people produce not enough HCL so it would SEEM I'm likely to have not enough acid rather than too much. Can't tell if the vinegar is helping while I wait for my HCL to come, although on Dr. Rind's site he says to take 1 T. with each meal and I'm doing 1/2 t. for now.

I am now thinking that if I can get to the root of my poor absorption issues in my gut, it might be the key to much faster recovery as I'm on high doses of HC since they don't absorb well. One also wonders about absorption of my T3 since it's also a capsule I swallow! And my adrenal rebuilders to heal my adrenals plus supps!

Chris

Hi ~

I found this in one of my Health Alert newsletters by Dr. Bruce West (www.healthalert.com):

GAS AND BLOATING AFTER EATING: SO COMMON - IT'S "NORMAL"

If you do not digest your foods properly (especially meats and proteins), beginning in the stomach, you will suffer from gas, bloating, fullness after meals, and even allergic reactions such as hives and allergies. This is all too common. And it has to do with a series of bad habits, and a slow loss of natural digestive enzymes.

The bad habits are easy to fix. You simply need to chew your food thoroughly and eat whole foods that your body can digest naturally. Processed foods are not something that your body recognizes as food that can be properly digested. In other words, for some of these processed-food concoctions, a human digestive enzyme does not exist. It would be as if you at a plate of plastic or wood. ['s comment: you may also want to read more about this in Sally Fallon's Nourishing Traditions. She gives excellent information on how our bodies are unable to breakdown certain foods, i.e. grains and nuts, and that traditional ways of preparation included fermenting or soaking were used as pre-digestive practices.]

Finally, if you are like some people (especially those with impaired digestion, you may need to combine foods for easier digestion. Basically that mans eating proteins with complex carbohydrates (meat with vegetables). Do not combine starches (potatoes, etc) with meat. Only eat fruit by itself. Some folks even advocate eating only fruit before noon. The most radical form of food combining is eating one food per meal. Most people do not have to go this far. But for hundreds of people that I know personally, food combining has brought digestive relief.

Adequate Acids and Enzymes

If you suffer from indegestion, gas, and bloating, you should not take stomach acids. Antacids cover up the symptoms and make the problem worse. Food will generally not leave your stomach until fully acted upon by digestive enzymes. So, without adequate amounts of these enzymes, food will stay in your stomach for long periods of time. Or worse, with digestive failure in the stomach, food that is not properly digested will be finally passed along to your intestines. This condition causes sever indigestion, gas, and even allergic reactions.

Animal protein (meat) is digested (liquified) in your stomach by the enzyme pepsin. Pepsin is activated by hydrochloric acid (a catalyst). Proteins and meat entering your small intestine as undigested proteins are extremely toxic to your system. In the intestine, undigested protein unergoes putrefaction, giving off poisonous end products calledguanidine (a constipation toxin), and histamine (and allergen that often causes allergies, hives, and more), among others. This process is very different from the way adequately digested and liquified proteins enter the lower digestive tract - as amino acids and peptones, which are needed to build a strong, healthy body.

This is a natural phenomenon that connot be disputed. You simply cannot go against the laws of nature and expect something other than the usual miserable triad of gas, bloating, and allergic fullness after meals. So think twice about whta you eat. Make sure you chew. Combine foods if necessary. Drink pure water. Stop using antacids and acid blockers. And if your digestive system as been depleted from years of abuse, rebuild it with digestive enzymes.

We use Zypan from Standard Process as the premier digestive enzyme product because it is so effective at rebuilding the protein digestion system. Undigested proteins cause many more problems than fats, carbohydrated, and sugars. Try 1 to 3 Zypan tablets per meal and judge your response. If Zypan causes burning, you may have an ulcer that need to be healed first. If your digestion improves with Zypan and the other treatments discussed in this article, you are on your way to better health.

Gas, bloating, fullness, allergies, and hives? Think digestion, not antacids.

hope this helps!

~

-----Original Message-----From: RT3_T3 [mailto:RT3_T3 ]On Behalf Of RomanSent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:05 PMTo: RT3_T3 Subject: Re: Re: HCL questionVal said earlier today to take 1/2 t. cider vinegar in 2 ounces of water. If it helps my tummy pain, that mean I have too little acid and HCL would help. If it makes it worse, then I have too much acid. A bit hard to tell....I seem to be having a resurgence of the tummy pain with doses today--without respect to taking the vinegar-- after I just got rid of it.

When I had this two weeks ago it went along with major bloating. My doc explained they often go together!

Chris

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Can you order Zypan through standard process without having a doctor order it?

What is the difference between a DO and a Naturopath?

R.

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Hope you do not mind my chiming in here. My Naturopath gave me Zypanfrom Standard Process and I take two at each meal and up it if neededto take throughout the day. I have the exact issue that you mention inregard to feeling like I had pressure in the chest as I am eating andthen I would get incredible pain in my upper stomach as I was eatingand would have to stop eating until the pain subsided which wasusually a minute or so.Venizia> >> > This I'm sure will be a very beginner question but how do we know if > > we have to much or to little acid?>