Guest guest Posted November 5, 2006 Report Share Posted November 5, 2006 , I suffered with bad headaches and migraines that were definitely linked to my cycle for over 20 years, turned down the lovely new drugs that my doc offered me. Started using progesterone and haven't had a single one linked to my cycle again. I was pretty pissed off when I told my old doc about it working and how much I didn't appreciate not one single doctor that I complained to or saw about it, not knowing the cause. When I think of all the times I had to lay still in a dark room with a cold rag on my head and even prescription strength meds wouldn't cut the pain or hanging my head in the toilet because the pain was so bad it made me vomit, I could just strangle a doc or two!! (That's when I'm in a good mood!!) I'm not real polite in what I tell people anymore about mainstream medicine, I tell them very bluntly what I went through and how medicine works in this country anymore, no interest in curing only treating symptoms. People seem to get that notion quicker than getting them to read information. It's pretty hard not to be able to see it now, with all the TV commercials being shoved down our throats. There are many more people than you think who see the light. The problem with a lot of people is that they can't see the problem until it affects them personally. Then the light bulb goes off. Linn > > > > > > > I tell my friends that I didn't intend to become a > > radical, but that I've learned that my health depends on it... > > Yeah, me neither, but here we are! > > I guess I get surprised by those who are willing to just sit there and > take it. > >> . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2006 Report Share Posted November 5, 2006 , I totally understand, all too well. My MIL just underwent a hysterectomy at the age of 75 just because her doc scared her into it. Turned out that she didn't really need it, which I was sure of, and tried to talk her into a couple of tests and some alternative stuff first, but she wouldn't hear any of it, just wanted it out, just in case it was cancer. Worse part of it was that she has several other health problems including Crohn's disease so surgery for her is a major deal. Totally unnecessary, and such a risk, especially at her age. Keep on talking, occasionally you'll reach somebody and they'll be so very grateful you spoke up!! It's like teaching, repetition, repetition, repetition. Linn > Hi, Linn, > > I agree that people are starting to get it. It's just frustrating to > me that people whom I care about are too busy or disinterested, even > after seeing what I've gone through, to even think about it. > > It's really NOT that I need them to see things MY way, but rather that > I can see all of the medication they're taking, that's not really > even fully working, and there's probably a SIMPLE answer/remedy to > their problem with limited side effects, yet they can't be bothered to > look into anything. > > I guess I need to get over it & just take care of me. It's hard > though, because I've always been into info sharing - why not, if it > helps? > > Oh well... > > Warmly, > > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2006 Report Share Posted November 5, 2006 In a message dated 06/11/2006 09:43:26 GMT Standard Time, artisticgroomer@... writes: have to adjust my own insulin dose. Doctor won't do it for a MONTH, so I will. Wish me luck... Any time I have had to do a med on my own it is scary at first, but sure builds confidence as it works! So how do you do it Val? You test with a pin-prick and then........... Mo NOVA Counselling & Healing Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Well I am starting a NEW adventure in self treatment now as well.. NOW I have to adjust my own insulin dose. Doctor won't do it for a MONTH, so I will. Wish me luck... Any time I have had to do a med on my own it is scary at first, but sure builds confidence as it works! -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Val, Are you using insulin now instead of the oral meds? Please feel free to contact me if you need help. Do you have a starting number for insulin to carb ratio and a correction ratio? Linn > Well I am starting a NEW adventure in self treatment now as well.. > NOW I > have to adjust my own insulin dose. Doctor won't do it for a MONTH, > so I > will. Wish me luck... Any time I have had to do a med on my own it is > scary at first, but sure builds confidence as it works! > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) > http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Actually I am increasing it but 5U each dose. I woke up this AM with alot of numbness now in my RIGHT hand.. This is serious, so I am not playing around with a too low dose for another month. I have a three month script, so I guess I have to do this myself too. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 >>Are you using insulin now instead of the oral meds? Please feel free to contact me if you need help. Do you have a starting number for insulin to carb ratio and a correction ratio?<< Yes the new doc I saw a week ago started me on insulin. I am on a 70/30 mix but the dose they started me on was not even keeping me where I was on Metformin! I have no knowledge of this stuff at all, so I am just increasing it slowly and testing my sugar ALOT. I eat low carb all the time and have been for a couple years, and my work is VERY active. I am trying to walk every day but not having the energy most days. After grooming and wrestling 4-7 dogs in a day I am played out. Any advice with this is very welcome. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Sending you majorly good energy for confidence and healing! I know exactly how you feel...but then I have you and the others here to hold my hand. Is there a diabetic counterpart to this group? wrote: Well I am starting a NEW adventure in self treatment now as well.. NOW I have to adjust my own insulin dose. Doctor won't do it for a MONTH, so I will. Wish me luck... Any time I have had to do a med on my own it is scary at first, but sure builds confidence as it works! -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Have you told the doc that the 70/30 isn't even keeping you where you were on Metformin? --- wrote: > >>Are you using insulin now instead of the oral > meds? Please feel free > to contact me if you need help. Do you have a > starting number for > insulin to carb ratio and a correction ratio?<< > > Yes the new doc I saw a week ago started me on > insulin. I am on a 70/30 mix but the dose they > started me on was not even keeping me where I was on > Metformin! I have no knowledge of this stuff at all, > so I am just increasing it slowly and testing my > sugar ALOT. I eat low carb all the time and have > been for a couple years, and my work is VERY active. > I am trying to walk every day but not having the > energy most days. After grooming and wrestling 4-7 > dogs in a day I am played out. Any advice with this > is very welcome. > > -- > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Sponsored Link Get an Online or Campus degree Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's - in less than one year. http://www.findtherightschool.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 I wonder if the doc would make an exception on his " month " thing of not adjusting. If you tell him that it's not even keeping you where the Metformin was, and how exhausted you are after the dogs, and the numbness and all. Tell him he really needs to make an exception, and that this just isn't right. --- wrote: > Actually I am increasing it but 5U each dose. I woke > up this AM with > alot of numbness now in my RIGHT hand.. This is > serious, so I am not > playing around with a too low dose for another > month. I have a three > month script, so I guess I have to do this myself > too. > > -- > Artistic > Grooming- Hurricane WV > My Ebay Jewelry Store > (Closing after Xmas!!!) > > http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420k for $1,399/mo. Calculate new payment! http://www.LowerMyBills.com/lre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 >>Have you told the doc that the 70/30 isn't even keeping you where you were on Metformin? << Yes I called them nad his nurse told me to come in in a month and she would look at my numbers then and make adjustments IF needed. What a jerk. I am NOT waiting another month. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 >> I wonder if the doc would make an exception on his " month " thing of not adjusting. If you tell him that it's not even keeping you where the Metformin was, and how exhausted you are after the dogs, and the numbness and all. Tell him he really needs to make an exception, and that this just isn't right.<< They know all this and like every other doctor I have been to they really don;t care. I am self adjusting it now. Just like thyroid only different and WAY more scary. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 >>Is there a diabetic counterpart to this group?<< I have joined tow lists, haven't found enough info yet and one has sure got alot of misgivings. I am seeing alt of undertreated hypo, statins, low & no salt diets instead of corrrect salt, just too amny things that tell me they are not really that knowledgeable abotu health in general. I just can't take on another list to help. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 I called Dr. Lowe's office in Colorado to see if he works with diabetics. Tammy, his office manager, said that he has had experience with blood sugar issues as part of the metabolic research he does. And that if he didn't know what you needed, he could direct you to who might be the best resource. I can't remember if there was anything else in Dr. Peatfield's book about diabetes...it's out on loan...but you could try these two resources. Just a thought. wrote: >>Is there a diabetic counterpart to this group?<< I have joined tow lists, haven't found enough info yet and one has sure got alot of misgivings. I am seeing alt of undertreated hypo, statins, low & no salt diets instead of corrrect salt, just too amny things that tell me they are not really that knowledgeable abotu health in general. I just can't take on another list to help. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Thanks , I have scoured the books I have which include Peatfield's. Anfd not much help there. I am not looking for another doctor. I have been to two now and the ER and all I got was a $1500 bill and told it just takes time. Maenwhile my hlads are going more numb and my eyesight is fading. I am NOT giving doctors my eyesighht and my ability to run my business. If I die fromk taking too much Insulin, it will be over quick and easy.. Better than a slow death where I become an invalid at their WAIT another month. I can do this. I have been self treating for over 10 years now and Diabetes is just one mroe hurdle in life for me, But i long ago quit depending on docs to help my health problems., I guess this is no different. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Actually most diabetics do the majority of their own care anyway without their doc's help. They expect you to do it, even the Type 1's. Even if we do need the doc, it's usually just help by phone. The majority of the care is fairly easily to figure out, once you get the hang of it, it's definitely handled by the user, so I have no doubt that Val can manage this, with the doc's she's already got. They sent us home from the hospital in a little over 24 hours after my daughter was diagnosed, got her past the danger zone, showed us how to do shots and sent us on our way!! It's the type of disease that you bear the majority of the responsibility for. Definitely different from what most of us are used to, but Val's already used to this type of thing so I'm betting she'll be an expert at it rather quickly. Linn > Thanks , I have scoured the books I have which include > Peatfield's. > Anfd not much help there. I am not looking for another doctor. I have > been to two now and the ER and all I got was a $1500 bill and told it > just takes time. Maenwhile my hlads are going more numb and my > eyesight > is fading. I am NOT giving doctors my eyesighht and my ability to > run my > business. If I die fromk taking too much Insulin, it will be over > quick > and easy.. Better than a slow death where I become an invalid at their > WAIT another month. I can do this. I have been self treating for > over 10 > years now and Diabetes is just one mroe hurdle in life for me, But i > long ago quit depending on docs to help my health problems., I guess > this is no different. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) > http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Ok Val. Well, we are with you all the way, you've done so much to help everyone here, we are right behind you, and next to you, and wherever else you need us. Is there someone in your area there who knows what's going on with you being diabetic and can check on you once or twice a day while you're getting this all adjusted? That would at least help set your mind at ease a bit in case you did need help. --- wrote: > >> I wonder if the doc would make an > exception on > his " month " thing of not adjusting. If you tell him > that it's not even keeping you where the Metformin > was, and how exhausted you are after the dogs, and > the > numbness and all. Tell him he really needs to make > an > exception, and that this just isn't right.<< > > They know all this and like every other doctor I > have been to they really don;t care. I am self > adjusting it now. Just like thyroid only different > and WAY more scary. ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Sponsored Link Get a free Motorola Razr! Today Only! Choose Cingular, Sprint, Verizon, Alltel, or T-Mobile. http://www.letstalk.com/inlink.htm?to=592913 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 thanks but there is no one. I live alone at the end of a dead end street and my only neighbor is my landlord who is seldom home. My clients would miss me if I didn;t have the shop open! But I have no family that even calls ever and only my clients that I consider friends to call on for help if I need it. It is scary being this alone when you are ill. But I managed through hypo and the five cases of pneumonia I had that last year of doctor's " care " with it, and the super high blood pressure that threatened to take me down, and this is certainly no worse than that. I AM careful with insulin adjustments. I am trying them out in the daytime when I am aware of what is gong on and I just bought another 200 test strips on Ebay this past week as i am sticking my fingers to death to monitor what is going on... LOL -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Val, To help with the fingers from being so sore, don't use the center of the end of the fingers, prick it closer to the side edge, it won't hurt as much and you won't lose the feeling in your fingertips as easily. Linn > thanks but there is no one. I live alone at the end of a dead > end > street and my only neighbor is my landlord who is seldom home. My > clients would miss me if I didn;t have the shop open! But I have no > family that even calls ever and only my clients that I consider > friends > to call on for help if I need it. It is scary being this alone when > you > are ill. But I managed through hypo and the five cases of pneumonia I > had that last year of doctor's " care " with it, and the super high > blood > pressure that threatened to take me down, and this is certainly no > worse > than that. I AM careful with insulin adjustments. I am trying them out > in the daytime when I am aware of what is gong on and I just bought > another 200 test strips on Ebay this past week as i am sticking my > fingers to death to monitor what is going on... LOL > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) > http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Val I would be happy to call you twice a day, or as many times as you'd like even, every day, to make sure you're ok, if you like. If you'd like, it doesn't even need to be any more than: " Hey Val, this is , you ok? " " Hi , yep. " and that's it, if you'd like. Whatever you'd like. If I get no answer, I can try every five minutes after that for half an hour or so, or whatever you'd like, before calling emergency. I've got an " all you can call for 25.00 a month " phone plan, so it wouldn't cost me a dime. I'd just need the numbers to the local emergency there, your doc, and whatever other numbers you'd want to give me, in case it was needed. You can keep the info (bracelet or written paper) on you stating what you're taking and when, and you can tell it to me too if you'd like, so i could tell it to the emergency people if needed. If you're prone to not accept this offer, then please keep it in mind, ok? The offer is open. I KNOW what it's like to be sick like this and not have anyone nearby, especially with blood sugar issues. --- wrote: > thanks but there is no one. I live alone at > the end of a dead end > street and my only neighbor is my landlord who is > seldom home. My > clients would miss me if I didn;t have the shop > open! But I have no > family that even calls ever and only my clients that > I consider friends > to call on for help if I need it. It is scary being > this alone when you > are ill. But I managed through hypo and the five > cases of pneumonia I > had that last year of doctor's " care " with it, and > the super high blood > pressure that threatened to take me down, and this > is certainly no worse > than that. I AM careful with insulin adjustments. I > am trying them out > in the daytime when I am aware of what is gong on > and I just bought > another 200 test strips on Ebay this past week as i > am sticking my > fingers to death to monitor what is going on... LOL > > -- > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 That's what I have been doing the bad part is the neuropathy is just bad enough in my left hand that I can only use the index and middle fingers the others are WAY too sensitive! Very har d to explain how they can be numb and super sensitive all at once! Guess I will have to start picking on my right hand for a while... -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Thanks , but the Metformin was a wreck all by itself putting my in the ER! Then I almost became addicted to Lomotil to counter the effects of it. I would MUCH rather sue insulin than that again. Besides the problem is this was let go three years by my stoopid doctor so it is not just simple insulin resistance type 2. I am fairly certain from the results I am not getting that I have little insulin left and a burned out pancreas. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Insulin is a safer med than any of the oral diabetic meds. Most people have no idea of how the oral meds work, some of them have very bad side effects and can cause damage to other organs. Several oral diabetic meds have been pulled from the market because of the complications that cost people their lives. It's not uncommon for Type 2 diabetics to be put on insulin when they are first diagnosed especially if they are having trouble getting their blood sugar under control. Linn > > , > > You have done so much for me and probably don't know it. But I am > concerned right now for you. My dad is an insulin dependent diabetic > too. His doctor has him on a combination of oral meds and > insulin/humulin. > >> . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Tell ya what I will send you my info and if by 9AM I haven't posted anything to the list call me. but if I am at work you might have to try 2 numbers. I am online before work every AM unless i am dying! LOL That is my only time I am worried about is overnight if I should go too low in my sleep and not wake up to correct it. but believe me there is no danger of that right now. Maybe in another week when I get the insulin closer to what I probably need but I am adjusting very slowly and mostly in the daytime. I feel when my levels even get near 160 I start shaking. And that is not even close to where I should be but because I have had so high sugar for so long my body acts like it is too low way before it is, so I get plenty of warning. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 : That is very sweet of you. Maybe we could get several members of the list to rotate calling. -- Re: Re: the radical self-care bunch Val I would be happy to call you twice a day, or as many times as you'd like even, every day, to make sure you're ok, if you like. If you'd like, it doesn't even need to be any more than: " Hey Val, this is , you ok? " " Hi , yep. " and that's it, if you'd like. Whatever you'd like. If I get no answer, I can try every five minutes after that for half an hour or so, or whatever you'd like, before calling emergency. I've got an " all you can call for 25.00 a month " phone plan, so it wouldn't cost me a dime. I'd just need the numbers to the local emergency there, your doc, and whatever other numbers you'd want to give me, in case it was needed. You can keep the info (bracelet or written paper) on you stating what you're taking and when, and you can tell it to me too if you'd like, so i could tell it to the emergency people if needed. If you're prone to not accept this offer, then please keep it in mind, ok? The offer is open. I KNOW what it's like to be sick like this and not have anyone nearby, especially with blood sugar issues. --- wrote: > thanks but there is no one. I live alone at > the end of a dead end > street and my only neighbor is my landlord who is > seldom home. My > clients would miss me if I didn;t have the shop > open! But I have no > family that even calls ever and only my clients that > I consider friends > to call on for help if I need it. It is scary being > this alone when you > are ill. But I managed through hypo and the five > cases of pneumonia I > had that last year of doctor's " care " with it, and > the super high blood > pressure that threatened to take me down, and this > is certainly no worse > than that. I AM careful with insulin adjustments. I > am trying them out > in the daytime when I am aware of what is gong on > and I just bought > another 200 test strips on Ebay this past week as i > am sticking my > fingers to death to monitor what is going on... LOL > > -- > __________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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