Re: adrenal crisis-missing libido

November 6, 2006

I'm with you. Even on days that I feel good.

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> phonicity@... writes:

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> You mean there's somebody else out there whose lost

> their lust for sex?

>

> Sex? Duh, what is that? The thought if it is so

> foreign to me, and makes

> me cringe. My desire went right out the window!

>

> Helen

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November 6, 2006

I'm with you. Even on days that I feel good.

--- heltrim1@... wrote:

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> In a message dated 11/5/2006 2:18:42 P.M. Eastern

> Standard Time,

> phonicity@... writes:

>

> You mean there's somebody else out there whose lost

> their lust for sex?

>

> Sex? Duh, what is that? The thought if it is so

> foreign to me, and makes

> me cringe. My desire went right out the window!

>

> Helen

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

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November 6, 2006

Part of the reason that the alcohol works is it raises your estrogen

levels.

Linn

> , it does feel good knowing we're not alone. I've talked to my

> hubby too and he's amazingly understanding but I can't help but

> wonder how long he'll be understanding, you know? I will look up

> the Ostraderm and give it a whirl. I see a naturopath who is also a

> certified nurse midwife (so she can prescribe) next Monday and I'm

> hoping of talking her into testosterone. Still trying to figure out

> if I want to tell my dr. that I'm going to see her. Think I'll try

> the alcohol too, hey you never know!!!!! Thanks again and have a

> great day! We'll get thru this somehow!!!!

> in NY

>

> .

>

November 6, 2006

Please think about getting your testosterone levels checked or if you still

know that they are low to start taking some – there are natural creams to

take that are much easier on a woman and also that you will be able to take

them in much smaller doses.

I too had almost no Test. – probably never did, though for some reason I

have always had an incredibly strong libido……..but what I don’t have, is

body hair – I’ve never shaved under my arms or legs and have very little

elsewhere………..not that I’m complaining about not shaving – lol

But……….the lack of it was an indication since I was 20 that something was

wrong with my body etc – if the stupid docs had actually tried to figure out

why, perhaps I wouldn’t be in this huge mess today 35 yrs later – it is NOT

normal, and when something isn’t normal there is a reason…….

A lack of testosterone can effect energy, muscle tone, sleep etc.

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November 6, 2006

From what I understand, the men who first invented the

Pill talked about this issue some months ago - or

their writings on it were brought out or something,

can't remember exactly.

Anyway, it was shown that it's not harmful to never

have a period at all, but they did not publicise this

information. The only reason the 7 day break was put

into each monthly cycle on the Pill was so that it

would seem more " natural " to women, and so they would

buy the product. It actually would have made no

difference at all to just leave the break out.

But then where would the feminine products business be

now?

--- andreah1166 wrote:

I had

> been on the pill since I was 17 (I'm 39) and for at

> least 10-15

> years I was taking them all month and not taking a

> break for a

> period as I had bad endometriosis. That had to have

> screwed me up

> royally.

> in NY

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November 6, 2006

The original studies that were done on the pill showed that it was

quite dangerous and women were dying from taking it. The doctor is

charge of the study actually recommended that it was too dangerous to

use and recommended that they not go ahead with further studies.

Those original studies were stopped and the info was selectively

taken to show what the drug manufacturers wanted. The historical

studies on this information is very interesting.

Linn

> From what I understand, the men who first invented the

> Pill talked about this issue some months ago - or

> their writings on it were brought out or something,

> can't remember exactly.

>

> Anyway, it was shown that it's not harmful to never

> have a period at all, but they did not publicise this

> information. The only reason the 7 day break was put

> into each monthly cycle on the Pill was so that it

> would seem more " natural " to women, and so they would

> buy the product. It actually would have made no

> difference at all to just leave the break out.

>

> But then where would the feminine products business be

> now?

>

> .

>

November 6, 2006

I just looked up my labs and my Free Testosterone was 0.5 (0.0-2.2).

Ok, tell me how 0.0 could be a normal range for a woman? That

doesn't make any sense...so is this lab saying that have no

testosterone is normal? I think 0.5 to me would be low but who am I

to say. I hope this naturopath thinks so. I don't have a lot of

hair growth on my legs or underarms. I shave once a week and can get

away with less than that if I want. So, I do have growth but it's

slow to me.

As far as the pill being safe or not safe continuous who knows, I

doubt they'll ever really know. I can honestly say at the time I was

taking them that way I would have continued to do so even knowing it

may be dangerous just to stop the endometriosis pain, it's horrible.

>

> Please think about getting your testosterone levels checked or if

you still

> know that they are low to start taking some – there are natural

creams to

> take that are much easier on a woman and also that you will be able

to take

> them in much smaller doses.

>

> I too had almost no Test. – probably never did, though for some

reason I

> have always had an incredibly strong libido……..but what I don't

have, is

> body hair – I've never shaved under my arms or legs and have very

little

> elsewhere………..not that I'm complaining about not shaving – lol

>

> But……….the lack of it was an indication since I was 20 that

something was

> wrong with my body etc – if the stupid docs had actually tried to

figure out

> why, perhaps I wouldn't be in this huge mess today 35 yrs later –

it is NOT

> normal, and when something isn't normal there is a reason…….

>

> A lack of testosterone can effect energy, muscle tone, sleep etc.

>

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November 6, 2006

Yes I remember reading about that. Interesting for

sure, and Horrible!! Sometimes I just shake my head in

amazement at the sheer monstrosity and greed of the

FDA and the big pharma companies.

But the issue about not having periods being dangerous

or not is a separate one; women weren't dying from

that particular aspect of it, were they? I thought it

was the actual synthetics used that were killing the

women through side effects, not the fact that they

didn't need to have periods anymore.

I think there is more recent research now also that

shows that women aren't harmed by not having a period

at all, isn't there?

Do you know of any non-big-pharma info or studies that

show it IS dangerous not to have periods? If so I'd be

really interested in seeing it - I am so very leery of

taking big pharma's word for anything now.

Thanks

--- Linn wrote:

> The original studies that were done on the pill

> showed that it was

> quite dangerous and women were dying from taking it.

> The doctor is

> charge of the study actually recommended that it was

> too dangerous to

> use and recommended that they not go ahead with

> further studies.

> Those original studies were stopped and the info

> was selectively

> taken to show what the drug manufacturers wanted.

> The historical

> studies on this information is very interesting.

>

> Linn

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November 6, 2006

Was it bioidentical testosterone? I was also supplemented with testosterone

gel, and it was not bioidentical. It gave me facial hair but did nothing

for my libido. When I got the test. creme compounded at a pharmacy, well,

watch out!!

-- Re: adrenal crisis-missing libido

Hi , just wanted to say you're not alone. I was happy to read

your post and know that there's someone else out there with the same

circumstances! I too have a husband younger than I and while it's

wonderful and he's wonderful I have these awful feelings in the back

of my head that our marriage will be kaput if I can't get my libido

back. I have absolutely nothing. I only am intimate with him so

he's happy, I have to force myself. Don't get me wrong, it's not the

worst thing I've ever forced myself to do, ha ha! But the whole

situation just sucks, I don't have any lubrication (sorry if TMI)

either, that whole section of my body is lifeless yet so

oversensitive he can't even touch me. I too had a hysterectomy, in

Feb of this year. I kept my ovaries. They tested my hormones and as

far as progesterone and estrogen I was told they really don't know if

the levels are good or not as I have no idea where I am in a cycle.

My testosterone was almost non existent as well as my DHEA. So, the

dr. started me on DHEA, it's just finally got up mid-range and she

hoped that would change my drive but it's done nothing. I told her

on my last visit (to find out I have diverticulitis) that next visit

we have to do something.

Ok, I'm babbling, sorry...but just wanted you to know there's someone

out here that has almost the same situation! Best of luck to you

(and I for that matter!).

in NY

>

> > You mean there's somebody else out there whose lost their lust

for

> > sex? My libido literally went out the window after my

hysterectomy.

> > My hubby misses me so much...we used to have a lot of fun

together

> > and I can only say that I WISH I missed this too. Hoping

something

> > I'm doing will bring it back cause he's several years younger

than

> > me and I worry.

> >

>

November 6, 2006

>>Do you know of any non-big-pharma info or studies that

show it IS dangerous not to have periods?<<

I have one piece of advice about this. How UNNATURAL is it to not have periods

suring your menses years? Can you really be adamant about takign NATURAL thyroid

hormones and bioidentical sex hormones and think this is OK? I do NOT buy it.

Thye told people the shots they gave dogs that kept them out of heat for a year

at a tie wouldn't hurt them but MANY are sterile permanently from it.

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November 6, 2006

:

Yes it is awful. We are not able to rely on docs at all.

It sounds like you really had your hormone system inhibited with all the

things you were given from a young age.

I was on the pill for 11 or more years. It SUPPRESSED my libido. When I

got off the pill in my late 30's, I could not believe the change. I had

never had a libido before or at least since age 20, when I got on the pill.

Of course it made me fat too. I wonder how many of my problems were

exacerbated by the pill.

I used DHEA on and off as it tends to make me break out. It did not improve

my libido. Course, once you lose your libido you don't always want it back,

lol.

-- Re: adrenal crisis-missing libido

Thanks , I replied to in this thread saying I'm seeing a

naturopath next Monday who will be testing everything again and she

can prescribe (she's a midwife too) hormones, etc. I'm hoping

she'll be my salvation then I'll break down and tell my reg. dr or

switch and say the heck with her. Have to drive 2 1/2 hours to see

this naturopath. The dryness was starting even before my

hysterectomy but it wasn't totally non existent as it is now. I had

been on the pill since I was 17 (I'm 39) and for at least 10-15

years I was taking them all month and not taking a break for a

period as I had bad endometriosis. That had to have screwed me up

royally. The year before my hyst. I switched to the Mirena IUD and

was only getting small amounts of progesterone thru that, I have a

feeling that made matters even worse. At this point I can only hope

that the naturopath will sympathize and help me out. I had

everything tested in June but like I said in my post, my dr. said

she wasn't sure about the numbers because of my hyst. Gee, thanks

doc. My testosterone was .5 with the range being 0-80 (guessing,

don't have the paper in front of me for the range but I'm pretty

sure that was the number. I asked her right then about the

testosterone but she said to do the DHEA first. All of this makes

me wonder if it's more hormonal that thyroid for me. I'm taking

armour and have recently started isocort and things are much better

but there's still issues that are exactly the same. Isn't it awful

that we feel we have to scream at the dr. for help? Ugh.

in NY

> >

> > > You mean there's somebody else out there whose lost their lust

> for

> > > sex? My libido literally went out the window after my

> hysterectomy.

> > > My hubby misses me so much...we used to have a lot of fun

> together

> > > and I can only say that I WISH I missed this too. Hoping

> something

> > > I'm doing will bring it back cause he's several years younger

> than

> > > me and I worry.

> > >

>

> >

>

November 6, 2006

I just don't know what an average dose is. I am on 2 grains a day now too.

One grain in the morning, a half at lunch and another half in bed time. I

really do not feel any different.

-- Re: adrenal crisis-missing libido

,

I was on 2 grains but have increased my Iodoral dose and noticed that

I was getting some hyper symptoms, so I backed my dose down to 1 1/2

to see how I feel. So far so good, but will give it another 2 weeks

to see if it's still okay.

Linn

> Linn:

>

> How much armour are you taking?

>

> .

>

November 6, 2006

Many, many women are pregnant year in and year out

without having periods but maybe two or three times a

year, and it doesn't hurt them. Of course that's a

whole nother hormone situation there, pregnancy, but

then that's what the Pill was supposed to do, fool the

body into thinking it's pregnant. If it could be done

with bioidenticals instead, I wouldn't have a problem

with it at all, with never having a period.

Bet the shots the dogs got were synthetics, not

bioidenticals.

--- wrote:

> >>Do you know of any non-big-pharma info or studies

> that

> show it IS dangerous not to have periods?<<

>

> I have one piece of advice about this. How UNNATURAL

> is it to not have periods suring your menses years?

> Can you really be adamant about takign NATURAL

> thyroid hormones and bioidentical sex hormones and

> think this is OK? I do NOT buy it. Thye told people

> the shots they gave dogs that kept them out of heat

> for a year at a tie wouldn't hurt them but MANY are

> sterile permanently from it.

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November 6, 2006

I've read some stuff disagreeing with the safety of it. I think it

depends on how long one would do that. It's a known fact that women

who have hysterectomies run a higher risk of heart disease and one of

the reasons for that is a build up of iron in the blood that is not

normally released each month. So I would imagine that the risk would

be the same if you're not cycling. You really do have to take some

of those studies with a grain of salt and search for studies that are

done outside the mainstream. The majority of the mainstream studies

basically work backward in that they already know what they want to

prove and design a study around it. A lot of the info in those needs

to read over very carefully. Plus it's playing with the whole system

again, who truly knows what kind of side effects can happen, If they

actually do studies, they usually not very long. They do crap like

that all time and they don't give a damn about the long term side

effects. Basically the way it works now, is we're all the guinea

pigs and the real test studies are done when the drugs hit the market.

Linn

> Yes I remember reading about that. Interesting for

> sure, and Horrible!! Sometimes I just shake my head in

> amazement at the sheer monstrosity and greed of the

> FDA and the big pharma companies.

>

> But the issue about not having periods being dangerous

> or not is a separate one; women weren't dying from

> that particular aspect of it, were they? I thought it

> was the actual synthetics used that were killing the

> women through side effects, not the fact that they

> didn't need to have periods anymore.

>

> .

>

November 6, 2006

You know, I haven't had a real period since I'd had my Mirena IUD

put in. That was July 2002. I was thrilled to have a birth control

device that I wouldn't have to think about, would be extremely

effective, and long-lasting (5 years) It puts out a very low dose

of hormones (I think progesterone) over the course of the five years

that prevents conception.

But I've never even thought about what this might be doing to my

body. Not once. I bought my doctor's line about it being totally

safe and such a low dose of hormones, lower than any pill. Without

question. And this is the same doc who failed to diagnose me with a

4.9 TSH and obvious hypo symptoms.

I'm going to have to think about this some more. Maybe talk to the

DO I'm seeing on Thursday about it.

Amy

>> I have one piece of advice about this. How UNNATURAL is it to not

have periods suring your menses years? Can you really be adamant

about takign NATURAL thyroid hormones and bioidentical sex hormones

and think this is OK? I do NOT buy it. Thye told people the shots

they gave dogs that kept them out of heat for a year at a tie

wouldn't hurt them but MANY are sterile permanently from it.

>

> --

November 7, 2006

, yes I think I'm all screwed up that's for sure. Weird thing

is, when I was on the pill I had a huge libido and once I got off

it, it totally disappeared and has only gotten worse. Must be I'm

backward! All I've ever asked any dr. is " isn't there a way to see

if my hormones are off? " ...of course for years they said they

couldn't check because of the pill but then once I was off it still

no one was interested until my most recent dr and she said they all

look ok when I can see they don't. Ugh. Maybe dr's should go to

school for 10 years instead of 8 and have one or two years

specifically focusing on women and hormones! It's a huge problem in

this world as far as I'm concerned.

> > >

> > > > You mean there's somebody else out there whose lost their

lust

> > for

> > > > sex? My libido literally went out the window after my

> > hysterectomy.

> > > > My hubby misses me so much...we used to have a lot of fun

> > together

> > > > and I can only say that I WISH I missed this too. Hoping

> > something

> > > > I'm doing will bring it back cause he's several years

younger

> > than

> > > > me and I worry.

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

November 7, 2006

I just read on another forum that Mirena has [synthetic] progestin,

which suppresses progesterone entirely...

No progesterone definitely contributes to adrenal fatigue...

>

> You know, I haven't had a real period since I'd had my Mirena IUD

> put in. That was July 2002. I was thrilled to have a birth control

> device that I wouldn't have to think about, would be extremely

> effective, and long-lasting (5 years) It puts out a very low dose

> of hormones (I think progesterone) over the course of the five years

> that prevents conception.

>

November 7, 2006

Amy,

Mirena IUD do not have real progesterone, it would synthetic

progestin, very nasty stuff for your body.

Linn

>

> You know, I haven't had a real period since I'd had my Mirena IUD

> put in. That was July 2002. I was thrilled to have a birth control

> device that I wouldn't have to think about, would be extremely

> effective, and long-lasting (5 years) It puts out a very low dose

> of hormones (I think progesterone) over the course of the five years

> that prevents conception.

>> .

>

November 7, 2006

Isn't this the exact mechanism the pill employs to prevent pregnancy?

LOL

I always thought so b/c when I was on the pill, I NEVER wanted sex.

Pretty effective method in my opinion.

Amy

>

> >

> I was on the pill for 11 or more years. It SUPPRESSED my libido.

When I

> got off the pill in my late 30's, I could not believe the change. I

had

> never had a libido before or at least since age 20, when I got on

the pill.

>

November 7, 2006

>

> , yes I think I'm all screwed up that's for sure. Weird thing

> is, when I was on the pill I had a huge libido and once I got off

> it, it totally disappeared and has only gotten worse. Must be I'm

> backward! All I've ever asked any dr. is " isn't there a way to see

> if my hormones are off? " ...of course for years they said they

> couldn't check because of the pill but then once I was off it still

> no one was interested until my most recent dr and she said they all

> look ok when I can see they don't. Ugh. Maybe dr's should go to

> school for 10 years instead of 8 and have one or two years

> specifically focusing on women and hormones! It's a huge problem in

> this world as far as I'm concerned.

If you were on the " mini pill " , it would be progesterone only... Would

that make a difference?

November 7, 2006

Very good point. Maybe this is what the manufacturer

intended - LOL..I’ve never been on it...glad I hadn’t.

I’m a firm believer in natural family planning and

it’s natural and it works too! Doesn’t cost a dime.

--- anewkirk30 wrote:

> Isn't this the exact mechanism the pill employs to

> prevent pregnancy?

> LOL

>

> I always thought so b/c when I was on the pill, I

> NEVER wanted sex.

> Pretty effective method in my opinion.

>

> Amy

>

> >

> > >

> > I was on the pill for 11 or more years. It

> SUPPRESSED my libido.

> When I

> > got off the pill in my late 30's, I could not

> believe the change. I

> had

> > never had a libido before or at least since age

> 20, when I got on

> the pill.

> >

>

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