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> sent me his URL. It's really too much for me to read online. He'd

> like feedback from autsitics.

Very good, i can endorse it in it entirety.

Alain

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Interesting, and with many valid points, but it seems to be written in too

" angry " a fashion to make a real impact except in " preaching to the choir " .

I haven't examined it as closely as I want to, but I wish he would've tried

to approach the matter in a way that would have made the work more likely to

make a significant impact on people who don't already agree with him. In

general though, the sentiments espoused by the author (refuting myths,

reclassifying the way professionals look at us etc.) are very positive.

-Ari

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> > sent me his URL. It's really too much for me to read online. He'd

> > like feedback from autsitics.

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> Very good, i can endorse it in it entirety.

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> Alain

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Guest guest
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Ari wrote:

>Interesting, and with many valid points, but it seems to be written in too

> " angry " a fashion to make a real impact except in " preaching to the choir " .

I thought the anger was presented well. Since he clearly states that

he is writing out of anger, I felt the emotion added power to the

writing rather than detracting. Anger is much more off-putting when

it is hidden (or denied), when a writer claims to be impartial but

allows the anger to seep into the writing.

Admitted anger, under control, can add power and also a grim sort of

humor, as in the case of that site (what I was able to read of it).

My opinion, of course.

Jane

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I don't disagree - I suppose it depends on the purpose of it. I feel like it

could have some significance in the autistic community (although I would

have to read it thoroughly to say anything for certain), but I wonder to

what point and purpose that would lead if we are only affirming and perhaps

codifying what we already know, yet not spreading that knowledge elsewhere.

I suppose I want to see more of an effort to bring our message outward and

correct misconceptions among the people who hold them, as that's where it

really needs to be done. Those are just my feelings on the matter.

-Ari

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> Ari wrote:

> >Interesting, and with many valid points, but it seems to be written in

> too

> > " angry " a fashion to make a real impact except in " preaching to the

> choir " .

>

> I thought the anger was presented well. Since he clearly states that

> he is writing out of anger, I felt the emotion added power to the

> writing rather than detracting. Anger is much more off-putting when

> it is hidden (or denied), when a writer claims to be impartial but

> allows the anger to seep into the writing.

>

> Admitted anger, under control, can add power and also a grim sort of

> humor, as in the case of that site (what I was able to read of it).

>

> My opinion, of course.

>

> Jane

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Guest guest
Posted

Hi,

I wrote the article. I wanted to react to the argument about the fashion

in which it was written. I had to choose between two optioins:

1. write a decent philosofical/neuro-psychological paper based on

decent research, and so trying to make an end to the bs that people like

uta frith write. 2. writing of my emotion, and first thoughts.

The main difference between the two is (aside from quality of course),

the investment needed to publish such things. I am a perfectionist and

layperson at both neurology and philosophy. Combination of those would

have meant half a life of research in both fields to verify everything,

and then publishing a nice quality philosofical work. Since I have other

obsessions, that didn't want to be put aside very long, and since there

is a lot moving about autism right now, i chose to intervene in the

discussion. I also think it was important that this message got out

because it stands without any neurological details. In fact, the article

is not about autism, but about how NT society reacts on people that are

different. A very phreaky subject if you ask me. I think this is also

evolving for the worse (since WWII at least), and therefor also needs to

be discussed urgently (not necessarily in autist communities).

As for why it was written in slang, I think that there also is a danger

in judging things upon form rather than content. All autists are

probably familiar with people saying you that it is the " tone by which

you say something " that offends them. We have evolved to a society where

nothing is anymore as it seems. The words democracy has dramatically

changed meaning in the last 15 years, at least where im from. Or think

of the meaning of " sustainable development " . It has become an active

approach of cloaking your evilness with polite words. In this

atmosphere, i think things like etiquette are losing all meaning. I

didn't want to make myself look nicer than i am by disguising in nice

words. we can only see through this cheap mask by not using it anymore i

think.

Secondly, I think taboes are not a good thing, that's why it freaks me

out a bit that people get offended by 'f-words'. It is clear that

everybody uses them, that everybody knows exactly what is being said

when the tv says beep. The point totally escapes me of forbidding part

of our language but letting our kids watch rambo. Same goes for taboes

on sexuality. They open a dangerous road to fascism. That's why i have

not chosen to disguise my text as a scientific paper, because i don't

like to play roles, because i don't care about people that stop reading

because of form. Words have a meaning, so i use them.

On the other side, i must admit that on reading a philosophical work, I

never felt like the slang was missing, so im yet not sure about this

subject.

One thing is in my/our favour however when reaching the unconvicted.

todays psychologists are a school example of the mealymouthed people

that like to disguise their evilness with fake political correctness.

After all, we idiot autists can't help it that we adress them in an

unapropriate angry or impolite way. that's forgiven since we are

autists. they are above this. so undoubtedly i will get a polite answer

from ms frith and other psychologists.

In any case, if you know the emailadresses of any psychologists that you

think would 'benifit' from reading this, let me know and I will send

them an invite, or send the url yourself, as you please.

If you want to reach me, please don't use the yahoo adress, use this :

najamelan@...

Thank you jane for spreading this...

Greetings to you all

Guest guest
Posted

both formatting and email adress was fucked over by yahoo it seems.

apologies. here is the emailadres

najamelan {at} gmail dot com

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