RE: <Standing in front of room....confessing an addiction>

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In a message dated 7/14/01 4:06:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, spn2k@...

writes:

> See, I am trying to cut my carbs down,

> only to find out how " addictive " bread and rolls have become. Please

> tell me alternatives to kicking the " Wonder and Hostess " habit.

Ok....but I can tell you only what works for me. First, I get the problem

food(s) out of the house. I tell myself that this is not forever, " just for

today " . I make sure I eat frequently, adaquate amounts of protein to stop

hunger, low GI carbs and some healthy fats. Example: A lower carb tortilla

with a bit of cream cheese and horseradish with some sliced roasted

beef.....or a cup of chili with some cheese and onions. I also plan

activities to keep me out of the kitchen. You can preplan your food so you

don't have to " graze " . Every now and then, I try new foods and Test, test

and test to see if I can work it into my food plan.

Interesting sidenote: Huge fresh baked bagels used to be one of my major

" food groups " and the one food I had the hardest time giving up. About a

month ago, I decided to try one and see how it affected my bs levels.

Surprise....it wasn't as good as my anticipation. Now, I don't even miss it!

HTH

Carol T

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In a message dated 7/14/01 4:06:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, spn2k@...

writes:

> addictive " bread and rolls have become. Please

> tell me alternatives to kicking the " Wonder and Hostess " habit.

>

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Diane Lee has a cookbook out called " Baking Low-Carb " . I understand that she

now has another one out, too. I don't know how much she charges for the books

but her email address is: revfrank30@...

in Seattle...

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In a message dated 7/14/01 6:05:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, spn2k@...

writes:

> thanks for your reply. I tried peanuts, low-carbs, and chicken. I am

> trying to eat salad in its place. Problem is, I will admit it. I do

> have one strong weakness: peanut butter. Got any patches? lol

>

Peanut Butter patches would probably smell too good. <g> I think I went

through a peanut butter phase. Actually, I only use a small amount of nuts

(ground) in recipes....nuts in general are way too tempting for me.

Are you checking your blood sugar levels after you eat.(1 and 2 hrs)?....good

numbers help keep me motivated.

HTH

Carol T

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> Hello, all. I have a question. See, I am trying to cut my carbs down,

> only to find out how " addictive " bread and rolls have become. Please

> tell me alternatives to kicking the " Wonder and Hostess " habit.

***There is a great book called " Carbohydrate Addicts " that can be very

useful. I am compulsive, a recovering alcoholic and a compulsive overeater.

I find that when I get hooked on something (which I easily do), the most

painless way for me is to eat half the portion at the normal time for a

couple of days and then half again, adding the missing amount with a portion

of something that I can eat, etc. It takes a few days for our bodies to

adjust to new routines, especially those it's addicted to, and it's easier

in small quantities. I found that when I'd lowered my carbs, after a few

days, my cravings lessen and go away, but if I eat more carbs than my body

is used to (like a " treat " ), the cravings will return. They are, however,

nowhere near where they were when I first started. The thing to remember

is: this is your life, and complications from diabetes will diminish it

considerably, if not altogether. I find that my quality of life is way more

important than anything I can put (or not put) in my mouth. I've also found

that eating something that is on my food plan will help a craving attack.

Some of us are indeed, fighting food, carb, sugar addiction here, which is

why we are here together.

Anyone else care to chime in here???

One day at a time,

Barb

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>

> Ok....but I can tell you only what works for me. First, I get the

problem

> food(s) out of the house. I tell myself that this is not

forever, " just for

> today " . I make sure I eat frequently, adaquate amounts of protein

to stop

> hunger, low GI carbs and some healthy fats. Example: A lower carb

tortilla

> with a bit of cream cheese and horseradish with some sliced roasted

> beef.....or a cup of chili with some cheese and onions. I also

plan

> activities to keep me out of the kitchen. You can preplan your

food so you

> don't have to " graze " . Every now and then, I try new foods and

Test, test

> and test to see if I can work it into my food plan.

>

> Interesting sidenote: Huge fresh baked bagels used to be one of my

major

> " food groups " and the one food I had the hardest time giving up.

About a

> month ago, I decided to try one and see how it affected my bs

levels.

> Surprise....it wasn't as good as my anticipation. Now, I don't

even miss it!

>

>

> HTH

>

> Carol T

thanks for your reply. I tried peanuts, low-carbs, and chicken. I am

trying to eat salad in its place. Problem is, I will admit it. I do

have one strong weakness: peanut butter. Got any patches? lol

spn

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Thanks for writing back, Barb. It's amazing how addictive sugar

really is. I mean, I am holding back on them, but you know, it's

hard. I can walk past the cake aisle in the supermarket and not care,

but one slice of toast to me now is like a slice of rum cake to a

recovering alc...one taste won't hurt, no one will know.

I tell you, if diabetics united and fought the sugar industry like

families of smokers who died went against the Tobacco Masters, life

may be a little lighter.

Thanks, I will look into that. Please reply.

spn

" Carbs- the worst thing for you since the day you were born "

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> I do

> have one strong weakness: peanut butter. Got any patches? lol

***Well, for me PB is better than, say, the bread it goes on. The fats slow

the metabolism of the carbs, so the peak is less but lasts longer, if this

makes sense. If I'm in a hurry in the morning, I'll eat a tablespoon of

natural (no added sugar) crunchy PB and that will keep me going until after

chores. As always, test, test, test, but I think PB in moderation (if you

can do that :-) is OK.

Barb

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the way i started is to go to www.carbsmart.com the ketogenics pancake mix is

good for pancakes and bread, then they have keto golden orginal bread mix that

is good for bread or pizza crust or if you like to add cinnimun and steva,

splenda its a gread breakfast bread, now they have keto milk, i am not fond of

that, but i do really like the keto-chocolate milk. and for the pasta lovers out

there the keto elbows are great, also they have the la tortollas i like the

wheat and herb kinds, they are low carb and the mountin breads. and if you

divide the cost by servings you will find that these items are really no more

expensive they the items you replace and if you order over 100.00 at a time

shipping is free. thats my spin on things hoping this helps

glenna 30yr diabetic, 30yr hypothyroidism

15mg actos, 35units nph, 360mg armor thyroid, 10mg lipitor

lo-carb,lo-fat,lo-cal, woe

<Standing in front of room....confessing an addiction>

Hello, all. I have a question. See, I am trying to cut my carbs down,

only to find out how " addictive " bread and rolls have become. Please

tell me alternatives to kicking the " Wonder and Hostess " habit.

Thanks.

spn

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Get some real peanut butter, made by grinding peanuts. That commercial

stuff is loaded with sugar. Try a health foods store.

Robin G.

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>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>To: diabetes_int

>Subject: Re: <Standing in front of room....confessing an

>addiction>

>Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 00:46:44 -0000

>

>

>.

> >

> > Ok....but I can tell you only what works for me. First, I get the

>problem

> > food(s) out of the house. I tell myself that this is not

>forever, " just for

> > today " . I make sure I eat frequently, adaquate amounts of protein

>to stop

> > hunger, low GI carbs and some healthy fats. Example: A lower carb

>tortilla

> > with a bit of cream cheese and horseradish with some sliced roasted

> > beef.....or a cup of chili with some cheese and onions. I also

>plan

> > activities to keep me out of the kitchen. You can preplan your

>food so you

> > don't have to " graze " . Every now and then, I try new foods and

>Test, test

> > and test to see if I can work it into my food plan.

> >

> > Interesting sidenote: Huge fresh baked bagels used to be one of my

>major

> > " food groups " and the one food I had the hardest time giving up.

>About a

> > month ago, I decided to try one and see how it affected my bs

>levels.

> > Surprise....it wasn't as good as my anticipation. Now, I don't

>even miss it!

> >

> >

> > HTH

> >

> > Carol T

>

>

>thanks for your reply. I tried peanuts, low-carbs, and chicken. I am

>trying to eat salad in its place. Problem is, I will admit it. I do

>have one strong weakness: peanut butter. Got any patches? lol

>

>spn

>

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 7/14/01 6:06:02 PM Central Daylight Time, spn2k@...

writes:

<< Please

tell me alternatives to kicking the " Wonder and Hostess " habit.

Thanks.

>>

I have been finding low carb bread that is high protein in the grocery

isle...Healthy living I believe is the name...I ran it threw the carb counter

and it comes out perfect. 4-5 grams per slice.

You hit the nail on the head...find alternatives...look for recipes that you

can make. I love sweet rolls in the morning. When I find that I am missing

that part....I make an almond pound cake....cut it into portions for

me...leave someout....freeze the rest and enjoy that for a few

days...calories a bit high but the carbs are low.

ressy

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If you can hang on for a week or so without the below, I think you'll find it

easier. Carbs apparently promote the strong desire for more of same but once

they're out of your system, you won't crave them so much.

My favorite " mashed potato " substitute is the following: Take a package of

frozen cauliflower, stem it and put it in a food processor with a little

cream and a little cream cheese, salt and pepper. Whip it to death. Put it

in a tupperware container in the refrigerator and dish out individual

portions. It's pretty lowcarb so you can have a good-sized portion (though I

try not to have more than 125 grams at a time -- and I weigh out all foods).

I often add previously sauteed mushrooms (very lowcarb) or a slice of cheddar

or pepper jack and nuke out individual portions. This looks exactly like

mashed potatos and almost tastes like 'em too. Vicki

In a message dated 01-07-14 19:06:02 EDT, you write:

<<

Hello, all. I have a question. See, I am trying to cut my carbs down,

only to find out how " addictive " bread and rolls have become. Please

tell me alternatives to kicking the " Wonder and Hostess " habit.

Thanks.

spn

>>

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Hey, Barb, here's a good time to thank you for all you've done being our

Really Great Moderator and wonderful support person! Vicki

In a message dated 01-07-14 19:40:30 EDT, you write:

<< is a great book called " Carbohydrate Addicts " that can be very

useful. I am compulsive, a recovering alcoholic and a compulsive overeater.

I find that when I get hooked on something (which I easily do), the most

painless way for me is to eat half the portion at the normal time for a

couple of days and then half again, adding the missing amount with a portion

of something that I can eat, etc. I >>

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How about a recipe for the wonderful sounding almond pound cake.. Would love

to have it, thank you in advance, maxi

Re: <Standing in front of room....confessing an

addiction>

> In a message dated 7/14/01 6:06:02 PM Central Daylight Time, spn2k@...

> writes:

>

> << Please

> tell me alternatives to kicking the " Wonder and Hostess " habit.

> Thanks.

> >>

> I have been finding low carb bread that is high protein in the grocery

> isle...Healthy living I believe is the name...I ran it threw the carb

counter

> and it comes out perfect. 4-5 grams per slice.

> You hit the nail on the head...find alternatives...look for recipes that

you

> can make. I love sweet rolls in the morning. When I find that I am

missing

> that part....I make an almond pound cake....cut it into portions for

> me...leave someout....freeze the rest and enjoy that for a few

> days...calories a bit high but the carbs are low.

> ressy

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Real " nuts " are better then peanuts.

E

dx'd 2/16/01-T2

hbA1c 2/16/01= 11.7

hbA1c 4/20/01=6.7

hbA1c 6/26/01= 5.0

44 yrs old,diet & exercise

Peanut Butter patches would probably smell too good. <g> I think I went

through a peanut butter phase. Actually, I only use a small amount of nuts

(ground) in recipes....nuts in general are way too tempting for me.

Are you checking your blood sugar levels after you eat.(1 and 2

hrs)?....good

numbers help keep me motivated.

HTH

Carol T

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wrote,

> Real " nuts " are better then peanuts.

>

What's your basis for that? They're all high in " good " fats

(unsaturated); they all have some protein and some carb.

Some people are allergic to peanuts, of course. But I don't know of

a difference for those of us who aren't sensitive.

T

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Peanuts are not a True Nut, they're a legume, . (Betcha you knew that,

just forgot, smile)...Vicki

In a message dated 01-07-16 09:19:53 EDT, you write:

<<

wrote,

> Real " nuts " are better then peanuts.

>

What's your basis for that? They're all high in " good " fats

(unsaturated); they all have some protein and some carb.

Some people are allergic to peanuts, of course. But I don't know of

a difference for those of us who aren't sensitive.

T

>>

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Barb's point is what works for me. I would like to keep all of my body

parts functioning to the extent that it is within my control. I find this

to be effective motivation.

Tom the Actuary

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....

The thing to remember is: this is your life, and complications from

diabetes will diminish it considerably, if not altogether. I find that my

quality of life is way more important than anything I can put (or not put)

in my mouth. I've also found that eating something that is on my food plan

will help a craving attack.

....

[Guest guest]

Carol T, modest amounts of peanut butter may not be too bad -- if you get

the kind with no added sugar. Read the labels. Test, test, test.

Also, if you look around you may be able to find other nut butters made from

" real " nuts. (Peanuts are really beans.) Almond butter is available in

various places -- try health food or specialty food markets. I've found

that almonds, whole or butter, make a very good snack. They're low in carbs

and high in fiber and protein -- good tasting and satisfying. They might

make a good " patch. "

Tom the Actuary

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For those of us who eat low carb, many real nuts (particularly, hazelnuts,

almonds, walnuts, macademias) are much lower in carbs than peanuts. These

nuts are also high in fiber and vegetable protein.

Tom the Actuary

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I don't like peanut butter. At the health foods store, I found pecan,

cashew, almond, soynut, and macadamia nut butters. Try them til you find

one you like! One note, though. Pecan butter was a little bitter.

Robin G.

>

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>To: <diabetes_int >

>Subject: RE: Re: <Standing in front of room....confessing an

>addiction>

>Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:29:16 -0700

>

>Carol T, modest amounts of peanut butter may not be too bad -- if you get

>the kind with no added sugar. Read the labels. Test, test, test.

>

>Also, if you look around you may be able to find other nut butters made

>from

> " real " nuts. (Peanuts are really beans.) Almond butter is available in

>various places -- try health food or specialty food markets. I've found

>that almonds, whole or butter, make a very good snack. They're low in

>carbs

>and high in fiber and protein -- good tasting and satisfying. They might

>make a good " patch. "

>

>Tom the Actuary

>

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> In a message dated 7/14/01 6:05:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

spn2k@a...

> writes:

>

> > thanks for your reply. I tried peanuts, low-carbs, and chicken. I

am

> > trying to eat salad in its place. Problem is, I will admit it. I

do

> > have one strong weakness: peanut butter. Got any patches? lol

> >

> Peanut Butter patches would probably smell too good. <g> I think I

went

> through a peanut butter phase. Actually, I only use a small

amount of nuts

> (ground) in recipes....nuts in general are way too tempting for

me.

>

> Are you checking your blood sugar levels after you eat.(1 and 2

hrs)?....good

> numbers help keep me motivated.

>

> HTH

>

> Carol T

Yeah, I am, and they are btw 80-100 even after the peanut butter

fixes, but I will try to switch to another " nut " butter.

Spn

PS. I don't think those patches would help. I'd eat those too...lol

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> Yeah, I am, and they are btw 80-100 even after the peanut butter

> fixes, but I will try to switch to another " nut " butter.

***Then, I wouldn't worry about it - no need to switch, unless you want to.

Barb

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Regarding the peanut butter, I agree with Barb. No need to switch unless

you want to if your readings are staying in the 80-100 range.

Tom the Actuary

[Guest guest]

Thanks, and besides, I ate those arm patches....lol. Talk to you

later.

Spn