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Sorry , didn't mean it that way or specifically to you. I have

to deal with my doctor's dieticians on a routine basis and they can

make me nuts over things. You would not believe the things they

allow Type 1 kids to eat. They have the perfect opportunity to teach

people about nutrition and most of them don't use it. A couple of

decades ago, you never saw a heavy Type 1 diabetic, they were always

thin, nowadays it's common for a Type 1 diabetic to be overweight.

That's because they are allowed and even encouraged to eat the SAD.

Linn

On Oct 7, 2006, at 11:24 AM, C. Mannelli, Ed.D. wrote:

> P.S. My post was not to give the total picture as you mention. But

> to bring

> up the 'tool' of glycemic index.

>

> -- Re: HC Efftects

>

> That's part of the problem with how they look at things. The apple

> is tremendously better for your body nutrionally and for your blood

> sugar. I'm very familiar with the glycemic index and although it can

> be a useful tool, the implication that states an apple is not much

> better than pure processed sugar is just plain crap. Your body can

> utilize everything from the apple, there is absolutely no benefit

> whatsoever from eating processed sugar. It is a totally useless, in

> fact detrimental thing to put in your body. It's comparable to how

> people say on the thyroid forums that docs are looking at black marks

> on a piece of paper. The glycemic index is a tool, not the total

> picture. Diabetes is a lot like thyroid in that doctors and the

> medical establishment, including the ADA and most diabetes

> organizations know little to nothing about nutrition and with

> diabetes, nutrition is the major factor. Type 2 diabetes was unheard

> of until sugar processing hit the scene. Diabetes is BIG business

> and so is the food industry, they both feed off of each other. All

> the medical establishment is interested in doing is treating what

> they see as a chronic disease, they have no vested interest in

> telling you how to cure it. Type 2 diabetes is usually reversible if

> found early enough.

>

> Linn

>

> .

>

>

Posted

Linn:

I have never like the cavalier attitude many in the treatment of diabetes,

have towards diet. I cannot tell you how many times kids passed out after

running and sweating in the Texas sun at camp in Kerrville. One child I had

to constantly follow, dropped down daily and had to have IVs with dex to

wake her up. Now had her morning insulin been reduced because of the

anticipated daily sports activities at camp, fewer would have gotten low so

quickly. Pitifully, parents gave us the doctor's prescription for insulin

and the child really had no knowlege or control over how much was injected.

We also had test kid's blood sugar in the middle of the night (midnight

checks) and if low, the diet given was ice cream with graham crackers!!

Sometimes peanut butter was used but cashew butter or almond butter would

have been better since anyone can be allergic to peanuts more so than

almonds.

But ice cream and graham crackers??? I realize there are some complex

carbos in there but none will last the night. I am sure the ice cream was

to add fat but there is just as much carbo as fat in ice cream with the

added sugar. Another midnight snack was an ice cream sandwich. Way too

much sugar.

And right, I never saw an overweight Type 1 kid.

-- Re: HC Efftects

>

> That's part of the problem with how they look at things. The apple

> is tremendously better for your body nutrionally and for your blood

> sugar. I'm very familiar with the glycemic index and although it can

> be a useful tool, the implication that states an apple is not much

> better than pure processed sugar is just plain crap. Your body can

> utilize everything from the apple, there is absolutely no benefit

> whatsoever from eating processed sugar. It is a totally useless, in

> fact detrimental thing to put in your body. It's comparable to how

> people say on the thyroid forums that docs are looking at black marks

> on a piece of paper. The glycemic index is a tool, not the total

> picture. Diabetes is a lot like thyroid in that doctors and the

> medical establishment, including the ADA and most diabetes

> organizations know little to nothing about nutrition and with

> diabetes, nutrition is the major factor. Type 2 diabetes was unheard

> of until sugar processing hit the scene. Diabetes is BIG business

> and so is the food industry, they both feed off of each other. All

> the medical establishment is interested in doing is treating what

> they see as a chronic disease, they have no vested interest in

> telling you how to cure it. Type 2 diabetes is usually reversible if

> found early enough.

>

> Linn

>

> .

>

>

Posted

Linn, how hard did you have to fight your insurance to get the pump

for your daughter, if at all?

My husband has been having difficulty with his sugar spiking, and he

feels that he would do better on the pump. However, since he's in the

top 1% in terms of controlling his sugar - because he's med-compliant,

exercises & eats well, his endo says he should try to avoid insulin at

all costs. He's already using byetta. Then the new endo wants to

put him on Actos to control the spikes, and the old endo said it was

deadly for the liver. Who knows...

I had a friend who was on 6 insulin shots a day and had to jump though

all manner of hoops to get insurance to pay for the pump, so I'm

concerned about that.

>

> > Linn:

> >

> > I have never like the cavalier attitude many in the treatment of

> > diabetes,

> > have towards diet. I cannot tell you how many times kids passed out

> > after

> > running and sweating in the Texas sun at camp in Kerrville. One

> > child I had

> > to constantly follow, dropped down daily and had to have IVs with

> > dex to

> > wake her up. Now had her morning insulin been reduced because of the

> > anticipated daily sports activities at camp, fewer would have

> > gotten low so

> > quickly. Pitifully, parents gave us the doctor's prescription for

> > insulin

> > and the child really had no knowlege or control over how much was

> > injected.

> >

> >

> > .

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

Posted

We didn't have to fight at all. They usually put Type 1's on a pump

because statistically it gives a better control. They normally do

make them wait 6 months to a year to check to see how compliant the

patient is going to be. The main requisite is that you must be

willing to check your blood sugar on a very regular basis, between 4

- 8 times a day, and more if illness sets in. I'm sure it would

depend on your insurance also if you're a Type 2. Pumps are very

expensive. My daughter's was $7,000. It's ridiculous.

What kind of spiking is he having? I'd almost be more leery of using

oral meds than insulin. A lot of Type 2 diabetics use long acting

insulin as a basal amount and then are able to control their blood

sugar with diet and exercise. There are side effects with all the

oral meds, some of them are very serious and they've had to pull some

off the market due to deaths from liver damage. A lot of doctors are

too quick to put people on meds, without trying diet and exercise

first. That's kind of odd to have to take 6 insulin shots a day,

unless the person was only on short acting insulin and having to do

shots every time they ate something, unless they were insulin

resistant. I think that's one of the reasons they hesitate with Type

2's. If one is insulin resistant, even the shots aren't going to

work and it can be lead to dangerous consequences. Here's some info

on the oral meds. Personally I wouldn't take any of these without

reading all the fine print.

• Oral hypoglycaemic agents

In 1955, oral hypoglycaemic drugs were introduced. Currently

available oral hypoglycaemic agents fall into five classifications

according to their biophysical mode of action.19 These classes are:

biguanides; glucosidase inhibitors; meglitinides; sulphonylureas; and

thiazolidinediones.

The biguanides lower blood sugar in three ways. They inhibit the

normal release by the liver of its glucose stores, they interfere

with intestinal absorption of glucose from ingested carbohydrates,

and they are said to increase peripheral uptake of glucose.

The glucosidase inhibitors are designed to inhibit the amylase

enzymes produced by the pancreas and which are essential to the

digestion of carbohydrates. The theory is that if the digestion of

carbohydrates is inhibited, the blood sugar level cannot be elevated.

The meglitinides are designed to stimulate the pancreas to produce

insulin in a patient that likely already has an elevated level of

insulin in their bloodstream. Only rarely does the doctor even

measure the insulin level. Indeed, these drugs are frequently

prescribed without any knowledge of the pre-existing insulin level.

The fact that an elevated insulin level is almost as damaging as an

elevated glucose level is widely ignored.

The sulphonylureas are another pancreatic stimulant class designed to

stimulate the production of insulin. Serum insulin determinations are

rarely made by the doctor before he prescribes these drugs. They are

often prescribed for Type II diabetics, many of whom already have

elevated ineffective insulin. These drugs are notorious for causing

hypoglycaemia as a side effect.

The thiazolidinediones are famous for causing liver cancer. One of

them, Rezulin, was approved in the USA through devious political

infighting, but failed to get approval in the UK because it was known

to cause liver cancer. The doctor who had responsibility to approve

it at the FDA refused to do so. It was only after he was replaced by

a more compliant official that Rezulin gained approval by the FDA. It

went on to kill well over 100 diabetes patients and cripple many

others before the fight to get it off the market was finally won.

Rezulin was designed to stimulate the uptake of glucose from the

bloodstream by the peripheral cells and to inhibit the normal

secretion of glucose by the liver. The politics of why this drug ever

came onto market, and then remained in the market for such an

unexplainable length of time with regulatory agency approval, is not

clear.20 As of April 2000, lawsuits commenced to clarify this

situation.21

Linn

> Linn, how hard did you have to fight your insurance to get the pump

> for your daughter, if at all?

>

> My husband has been having difficulty with his sugar spiking, and he

> feels that he would do better on the pump. However, since he's in the

> top 1% in terms of controlling his sugar - because he's med-compliant,

> exercises & eats well, his endo says he should try to avoid insulin at

> all costs. He's already using byetta. Then the new endo wants to

> put him on Actos to control the spikes, and the old endo said it was

> deadly for the liver. Who knows...

>

> I had a friend who was on 6 insulin shots a day and had to jump though

> all manner of hoops to get insurance to pay for the pump, so I'm

> concerned about that.

>

>

>

> .

>

>

Posted

>

> > Linn, how hard did you have to fight your insurance to get the pump

> > for your daughter, if at all?

> >

> > My husband has been having difficulty with his sugar spiking, and he

> > feels that he would do better on the pump. However, since he's in the

> > top 1% in terms of controlling his sugar - because he's med-compliant,

> > exercises & eats well, his endo says he should try to avoid insulin at

> > all costs. He's already using byetta. Then the new endo wants to

> > put him on Actos to control the spikes, and the old endo said it was

> > deadly for the liver. Who knows...

> >

> > I had a friend who was on 6 insulin shots a day and had to jump though

> > all manner of hoops to get insurance to pay for the pump, so I'm

> > concerned about that.

> >

> >

> >

> > .

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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