Re: Posting and Venting and going backwards

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/7/01 9:35:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

woodduckflds@... writes:

<< have had a cold since tues and today it has moved into my sinuses. I am

hoping the higher bg's are due to my cold. Last Saturday I was doing so much

better then this Sat. Makes no sense. I am exercising and have lost 10 lbs

since dx on Feb 16.

Last Saturday I was:

7:30am-125

9:45am-138

10:45am-153(1 hr after lunch)

1:15pm-127(1 hr after egg salad snack)

2:15pm-130

3:30pm-129(I ate 7 shrimp)

5:15pm-176(the shrimp didn't agree with me?) >>

Hmmm the 5:15 reading was a bit soon to the 3:30 test... at times i wait the

full 2 hrs or so, it may have been a peak from right after you ate it. did

you have sauce on the shrimp? cocktail, or any? were they breadded and fried?

I think your cold/sinus stuff is problably causeing the reading this week to

be up there... compaired to last week,

I'm sorry but with all the new folk, i can't remember, are you on any meds

yet?

I was very frustrated with my high's when i was not on meds to control the

dawn phenomonon.

Once i went on the glucophage, and it started to work, i was much happier

with my blood testing readings.

If i were you, i'd contact the dr, if you are on no meds, and ask to be

started on low does glucophage, or actos.... i'd also mention that you've had

a cold/sinus stuff, and your bs's are climbing. tell them the readings, and

your frustration.... ask for help.

Congrats on the wt loss.

[Guest guest]

Betsy- I know how you feel. For some reason my bg's skyrocket in the morning

even if I only drink water. Friday at 3am I tested-154. At 6:30 am-138. By

9 am I was-170. All I had had was WATER! I felt so sick I could hardly stand

and feed my dogs. By 1pm I was at 137 and felt fine for the rest of the day.

At 5pm-138 still.

Today at 5am-164. 6am-180. 7am-210. At 7:45am I tried to eat eggs and

sausage and could barely get any of it down. Now at 9am-205.

I have had a cold since tues and today it has moved into my sinuses. I am

hoping the higher bg's are due to my cold. Last Saturday I was doing so much

better then this Sat. Makes no sense. I am exercising and have lost 10 lbs

since dx on Feb 16.

Last Saturday I was:

7:30am-125

9:45am-138

10:45am-153(1 hr after lunch)

1:15pm-127(1 hr after egg salad snack)

2:15pm-130

3:30pm-129(I ate 7 shrimp)

5:15pm-176(the shrimp didn't agree with me?)

It is frustrating to try so hard and go backwards-E

<<<If anyone has any suggestions on what I can do please feel free to tell

me. Right now I am feeling kind of down. I feel like I am failing.

Here are my bg's for the day:

6:30am: 188

5:30pm: 291

Not doing very well.

Thanks for listening and reading

Betsy >>>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 04/07/2001 1:30:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

GayRghts@... writes:

> 5:15pm-176(the shrimp didn't agree with me?) >>

was it breaded, have any sauce? congrats on testing this early to find your

spikes!!:-)

this is a good way to find out how your body is processing your food, if you

spike like this, just eliminate the foods and you won't spike, I do this too

with new foods or foods I've been away from for a long time, or food I

couldn't eat for a while and try again.

carol

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 01-04-07 09:35:12 EDT, you write:

<<

I have had a cold since tues and today it has moved into my sinuses. I am

hoping the higher bg's are due to my cold. Last Saturday I was doing so much

better then this Sat. Makes no sense. I am exercising and have lost 10 lbs

since dx on Feb 16.

>>

Don't give up, ...a cold is sure to raise your BGs. Also, there is

something called the " dawn rise " which everyone -- even nondiabetics --

experiences. It's the body's way of getting ready to face a new day. BGs go

up. In nondiabetics it goes down naturally. In diabetics, it just stays up

there and gets added to whatever you had for breakfast. That's why your BG

is high in the morning even if you didn't eat breakfast. Vicki

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/7/01 7:48:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

woodduckflds@... writes:

<< I did have some cocktail sauce ( about 2 tablespoons with lots of

horseradish) but the shrimp was boiled. I am on Glucophage 500 mg morning

and night. So is a rise ok if it is under 2 hours or are we striving for no

rise at all? >>

almost all food will give you some rise...

i paniced the other night, cuz i was'nt paying attention to time, had eaten a

whole bag of broccoli with some cheeze whiz (jalepeno) on it, and tested and

got 207 till i looked at the clock, and waited a bit, and tested again, and

got 119, it was 207 at about 70 min after eating, but 119 by 120 min....

I dont worry if it goes back down to about normal in the 2 hrs.

[Guest guest]

I did have some cocktail sauce ( about 2 tablespoons with lots of

horseradish) but the shrimp was boiled. I am on Glucophage 500 mg morning

and night. So is a rise ok if it is under 2 hours or are we striving for no

rise at all?

Hmmm the 5:15 reading was a bit soon to the 3:30 test... at times i wait the

full 2 hrs or so, it may have been a peak from right after you ate it. did

you have sauce on the shrimp? cocktail, or any? were they breadded and

fried?

I think your cold/sinus stuff is problably causeing the reading this week to

be up there... compaired to last week,

I'm sorry but with all the new folk, i can't remember, are you on any meds

yet?

I was very frustrated with my high's when i was not on meds to control the

dawn phenomonon.

Once i went on the glucophage, and it started to work, i was much happier

with my blood testing readings.

If i were you, i'd contact the dr, if you are on no meds, and ask to be

started on low does glucophage, or actos.... i'd also mention that you've

had

a cold/sinus stuff, and your bs's are climbing. tell them the readings, and

your frustration.... ask for help.

Congrats on the wt loss.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 01-04-07 19:48:46 EDT, you write:

<< So is a rise ok if it is under 2 hours or are we striving for no

rise at all?

>>

No, , no rise at all is imposible :-(...just aim for, I think under 40

points from baseline (am I right, group?) Vicki

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/8/01 9:38:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, whimsy2@...

writes:

<< No, , no rise at all is imposible :-(...just aim for, I think under

40

points from baseline (am I right, group?) Vicki >>

That's what i was told by my dietician/CDE yes...

however if my fbs is over 140 i only eat protein till its down to more like

100- 120, i dont like the concept of it going up to 180 as normal.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/8/01 10:53:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

dastegs3@... writes:

<< The above are typical readings about 90 % of

the time. If I have some fruit or another higher carb item I might be

slightly higher 2 hours PP. I use to have a PP reading 10 to 20 units higher

than my preprandial reading but things have changed. JerrySteg, type 2, age

73 years, diabetic for 34 years , last HbAic 5.2. >>

Well yes Jerry, but you use insulin, sooo your readings could easily be lower

after eating, if you use more insulin than the foods you eat require.

[Guest guest]

....however, there are some studies that have pointed out that postprandial

spikes can cause damage too. Sorry, don't have specifics. But I think

they've been posted on this list in the past so if you can get to archives (I

can't) you might check it out. Vicki

In a message dated 01-04-07 21:48:05 EDT, you write:

<< i paniced the other night, cuz i was'nt paying attention to time, had

eaten a

whole bag of broccoli with some cheeze whiz (jalepeno) on it, and tested and

got 207 till i looked at the clock, and waited a bit, and tested again, and

got 119, it was 207 at about 70 min after eating, but 119 by 120 min....

I dont worry if it goes back down to about normal in the 2 hrs.

>>

[Guest guest]

> << So is a rise ok if it is under 2 hours or are we striving for no

> rise at all?

> >>

>

> No, , no rise at all is impossible :-(...just aim for, I think under

40

> points from baseline (am I right, group?) Vicki

>

Nothing is impossible.During the past year I usually have a lower BG reading

after a meal than before it, strange as it may seem. Here are some current

readings: 7:13AM 104mg/dl (fasting)/5 units humalog - 10 units U/ 1 hard

boiled egg, mayo, low-carb tortilla and coffee./8:41AM 85mg/dl /12:25PM

84mg/dl. - - - - - 11:22AM (before lunch) 100mg/dl /5 units humalog/ 1 low

carb tortilla, mayo, 3 oz pork tenderloin, 1 oz cheddar cheese, 1 large leaf

romaine lettuce and 1 glass red cabernet wine/ 1:28PM 94 mg/dl/ 5:43PM 89

mg/dl. - - - - -5:45PM (before dinner) 66mg/dl / 5 units humalog = 20 units

U / 1 chicken thigh, 2 cups water, 1 cup green beans, 1/2 cup kidney beans

(canned) 1 tablespoon (overflowing) ThickenThin - not starch, 2 glasses red

cabernet wine. 7:43PM 66mg/dl. The above are typical readings about 90 % of

the time. If I have some fruit or another higher carb item I might be

slightly higher 2 hours PP. I use to have a PP reading 10 to 20 units higher

than my preprandial reading but things have changed. JerrySteg, type 2, age

73 years, diabetic for 34 years , last HbAic 5.2.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 04/08/2001 1:23:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

dastegs3@... writes:

> > Well yes Jerry, but you use insulin, sooo your readings could easily be

> lower

> > after eating, if you use more insulin than the foods you eat require.

> >

> >

> Your statement said that not having a rise after eating was impossible. You

> did not say that this was without medication. With proper medication and

> close control you are able to control you bg rise after a meal very closely

> or eliminate it. See Dr. Bernsteins control teachings.JerrySteg

>

this is why a lot of us prefer insulin!!! LOL :-)

carol

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 04/08/2001 2:24:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

woodduckflds@... writes:

> Is this " poor " control/ " medium " control/ " good " control ? I need someone to

> tell me if what I am doing is ok or not ok.

> Thanks so much for any and all advice. Also I do have a raging sinus

> infection and a cold right now- I just started on amoxicillin. I know that

> being sick can elevate bg's but I would assume my pattern would be

> approximately the same.

>

For me its not my ideal readings, but thats me, I like around 100 as often as

possible, yes infection will stagger bg, so does the antibiotics, so just go

with the flow and do as low carb as possible and lose that yogurt, :-)

carol

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 04/08/2001 12:36:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

whimsy2@... writes:

> ...however, there are some studies that have pointed out that postprandial

> spikes can cause damage too. Sorry, don't have specifics. But I think

> they've been posted on this list in the past so if you can get to archives

> (I

> can't) you might check it out. Vicki

>

>

yes, heather and dave " discussed " this, dave sent cites and so did heather,

heather claiming the occasional spike doesn't hurt, dave saying yes it does.

I believe it does, any spike in my opinion hurts, its very difficult to do,

to keep around 100 all the time, but thats why a lot of us use insulin to

get tight control. Its very time consuming, but I am convinced my spikes

added a lot to my neuropathy.

cite you might want to look at dave sent:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed &

list_uids=11187396 & dopt=Abstract

Resolving the glucose response curve: the

underestimated importance of postprandial glucose.

Brancati F

Although the measures fasting plasma glucose, postprandial glucose,

and hemoglobin A1c are accepted methods for identifying clinical

diabetes, discussion has arisen over which measure is the most

informative and the precise role of each in the disease. The American

Diabetes Association and the World Health Organization have chosen

different metrics for their categorization of clinical diabetes, and

their

respective classification systems identify substantially different

populations of patients with diabetes. Increasing evidence has

suggested that elevated postprandial glucose has a significant role in

the progression of diabetes and as an independent risk factor for

diabetes-related complications. Glycemic metrics in terms of their

physiological basis and ability to identify populations at risk of

diabetes and diabetes-related complications are discussed.

PMID: 11187396

This is only one that I have seen, and I've seen quite a few others. It

appears that PP readings are even more important than FBG readings

according to recent research.>>

[Guest guest]

Re: Posting and Venting and going backwards

> Well yes Jerry, but you use insulin, sooo your readings could easily be

lower

> after eating, if you use more insulin than the foods you eat require.

>

>

Your statement said that not having a rise after eating was impossible. You

did not say that this was without medication. With proper medication and

close control you are able to control you bg rise after a meal very closely

or eliminate it. See Dr. Bernsteins control teachings.JerrySteg

[Guest guest]

Jerry- it is really interesting to see other peoples note keeping and

numbers. I seem to wake up at a good number like 118 and then rise till

11-noon. Today I went from 118 to 138 in the first 1/2 hour of being up. My

numbers seen to drop in the afternoon but I am not sure if it is the time of

day or because I have eaten.

<<Nothing is impossible.During the past year I usually have a lower BG

reading

after a meal than before it, strange as it may seem. Here are some current

readings: 7:13AM 104mg/dl (fasting)/5 units humalog - 10 units U/ 1 hard

boiled egg, mayo, low-carb tortilla and coffee./8:41AM 85mg/dl /12:25PM

84mg/dl. - - - - - 11:22AM (before lunch) 100mg/dl /5 units humalog/ 1 low

carb tortilla, mayo, 3 oz pork tenderloin, 1 oz cheddar cheese, 1 large leaf

romaine lettuce and 1 glass red cabernet wine/ 1:28PM 94 mg/dl/ 5:43PM 89

mg/dl. - - - - -5:45PM (before dinner) 66mg/dl / 5 units humalog = 20 units

U / 1 chicken thigh, 2 cups water, 1 cup green beans, 1/2 cup kidney beans

(canned) 1 tablespoon (overflowing) ThickenThin - not starch, 2 glasses red

cabernet wine. 7:43PM 66mg/dl. The above are typical readings about 90 % of

the time. If I have some fruit or another higher carb item I might be

slightly higher 2 hours PP. I use to have a PP reading 10 to 20 units higher

than my preprandial reading but things have changed. JerrySteg, type 2, age

73 years, diabetic for 34 years , last HbAic 5.2.>>

[Guest guest]

RE:

<< No, , no rise at all is imposible :-(...just aim for, I think under

40

points from baseline (am I right, group?) Vicki >>

<<That's what i was told by my dietician/CDE yes...

however if my fbs is over 140 i only eat protein till its down to more like

100- 120, i dont like the concept of it going up to 180 as normal.

>>

I did have yogurt last night. 2 ounces at 7 pm and two ounces at 9 pm right

before bed. The yogurt has 15 grams of carbs and 14 grams sugar in a 4

ounce container. This is what I did yesterday eve into early today:

5pm-130

6pm-113

6:15pm-1 serving nuts-6 carbs

7pm-118

7pm-ate 2 ounces yogurt(8carb)

8pm-149

9pm-135

9pm-ate 2 ounces yogurt

9:30pm-164

went to bed

___________________

1am-woke up and tested-113

6:30am-got up-118

7am-138

7:10am-ate 1 serving nuts and took my glucophage

8am-168

9am-143

9:30am-ate 1 tablespoon peanut butter(2.5 carbs)

10am-145

11am-143

11:15am-chicken salad (1 carb)

11:30am-one hot dog with 1/2 tbsp ketchup(4 carb)

11:50am-122

12:30pm-134

1:15pm-137

Is this " poor " control/ " medium " control/ " good " control ? I need someone to

tell me if what I am doing is ok or not ok.

Thanks so much for any and all advice. Also I do have a raging sinus

infection and a cold right now- I just started on amoxicillin. I know that

being sick can elevate bg's but I would assume my pattern would be

approximately the same.

Thanks-

[Guest guest]

I think a spike after you eat is ok, as long as it is back down to normal levels

after two hours.

Re: Posting and Venting and going backwards

In a message dated 04/08/2001 12:36:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

whimsy2@... writes:

> ...however, there are some studies that have pointed out that postprandial

> spikes can cause damage too. Sorry, don't have specifics. But I think

> they've been posted on this list in the past so if you can get to archives

> (I

> can't) you might check it out. Vicki

>

>

yes, heather and dave " discussed " this, dave sent cites and so did heather,

heather claiming the occasional spike doesn't hurt, dave saying yes it does.

I believe it does, any spike in my opinion hurts, its very difficult to do,

to keep around 100 all the time, but thats why a lot of us use insulin to

get tight control. Its very time consuming, but I am convinced my spikes

added a lot to my neuropathy.

cite you might want to look at dave sent:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed &

list_uids=11187396 & dopt=Abstract

Resolving the glucose response curve: the

underestimated importance of postprandial glucose.

Brancati F

Although the measures fasting plasma glucose, postprandial glucose,

and hemoglobin A1c are accepted methods for identifying clinical

diabetes, discussion has arisen over which measure is the most

informative and the precise role of each in the disease. The American

Diabetes Association and the World Health Organization have chosen

different metrics for their categorization of clinical diabetes, and

their

respective classification systems identify substantially different

populations of patients with diabetes. Increasing evidence has

suggested that elevated postprandial glucose has a significant role in

the progression of diabetes and as an independent risk factor for

diabetes-related complications. Glycemic metrics in terms of their

physiological basis and ability to identify populations at risk of

diabetes and diabetes-related complications are discussed.

PMID: 11187396

This is only one that I have seen, and I've seen quite a few others. It

appears that PP readings are even more important than FBG readings

according to recent research.>>

[Guest guest]

Hi -

If you are going to eat yogurt, you need to switch to a plain yogurt and add

stuff to flavor it yourself. I am one of the lucky ones who can eat some

carbs without problems, so I put a little bit of unsweetened applesauce in

plain yogurt, add a little cinnamon and some splenda and it makes a great

snack. Sometimes I thrown in a few sliced almonds to add a little crunch.

I don't ever eat pre-flavored yogurts anymore because some variation of

sugar, fructose, corn syrup, etc is almost always near the top of the list

of ingredients.

Other ways to add flavor without adding carbs would be to use something like

Atkins syrups, which I've never tried, or tiny amounts of vanilla extract or

maple extract or whatever flavor you like that are used for baking along

with your choice of artificial sweetener. Some day when I'm feeling more

creative I might try mixing it with sugar-free jello to see if I can get a

creamy dessert... you never know

Anne

> Re: Posting and Venting and going backwards

>

>

> RE:

>

> << No, , no rise at all is imposible :-(...just aim for, I

> think under

> 40

> points from baseline (am I right, group?) Vicki >>

>

>

> <<That's what i was told by my dietician/CDE yes...

> however if my fbs is over 140 i only eat protein till its down to

> more like

> 100- 120, i dont like the concept of it going up to 180 as normal.

> >>

>

>

> I did have yogurt last night. 2 ounces at 7 pm and two ounces at

> 9 pm right

> before bed. The yogurt has 15 grams of carbs and 14 grams sugar in a 4

> ounce container. This is what I did yesterday eve into early today:

> 5pm-130

> 6pm-113

> 6:15pm-1 serving nuts-6 carbs

> 7pm-118

> 7pm-ate 2 ounces yogurt(8carb)

> 8pm-149

> 9pm-135

> 9pm-ate 2 ounces yogurt

> 9:30pm-164

> went to bed

> ___________________

> 1am-woke up and tested-113

> 6:30am-got up-118

> 7am-138

> 7:10am-ate 1 serving nuts and took my glucophage

> 8am-168

> 9am-143

> 9:30am-ate 1 tablespoon peanut butter(2.5 carbs)

> 10am-145

> 11am-143

> 11:15am-chicken salad (1 carb)

> 11:30am-one hot dog with 1/2 tbsp ketchup(4 carb)

> 11:50am-122

> 12:30pm-134

> 1:15pm-137

>

> Is this " poor " control/ " medium " control/ " good " control ? I need

> someone to

> tell me if what I am doing is ok or not ok.

> Thanks so much for any and all advice. Also I do have a raging sinus

> infection and a cold right now- I just started on amoxicillin. I know that

> being sick can elevate bg's but I would assume my pattern would be

> approximately the same.

> Thanks-

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/8/01 2:09:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

woodduckflds@... writes:

<< Also I do have a raging sinus

infection and a cold right now- I just started on amoxicillin. I know that

being sick can elevate bg's but I would assume my pattern would be

approximately the same. >>

.... i'd guess that you are doing ok, but... i'd suggest that you not

put a lot of credence into this till after you are all better, and off

meds... and as you get better watch for going hypo.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 04/09/2001 12:34:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

woodduckflds@... writes:

> . I had started on a second dose

> of glucophage for one day and then decided that it probably wasn't good to

> switch it when I am so sick. I sort of feel like I am on the verge of

> pneumonia. I pray this goes away. It is weird because in the last 9 years I

> have probably only been sick twice. Then whamo it all hits at once.

>

Uh..your pharmacist and dr did warn you of the possible side effects of

taking glucophage when you're sick?? I hope?

It could make you worse, it has been shown to cause an emergency type medical

condition, its rare, but it does happen, talk to your dr or pharmacist, but

you were supposed to be told not to take it in time of illness.

carol

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/9/01 12:34:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

woodduckflds@... writes:

<< I sort of feel like I am on the verge of

pneumonia. I pray this goes away. It is weird because in the last 9 years I

have probably only been sick twice. Then whamo it all hits at once. >>

, you've been under a TON of stress..... stress = getting sick very

often.

Hang in there, take the meds the way they are prescribed... eat the way you

know is best (lower carb) plenty of fluids. etc. Stay away from Dairy, milk

etc... cuz it just increases the mucus production.

Get as much rest as you can.... etc.

Monitor the bs's.... see if they go way up... if they do contact your dr....

at times when folk with diabetes get real sick, if there blood sugars get out

of control, they may need insulin for a short time.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/9/01 12:49:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

astrocarly@... writes:

<< Uh..your pharmacist and dr did warn you of the possible side effects of

taking glucophage when you're sick?? I hope?

It could make you worse, it has been shown to cause an emergency type

medical

condition, its rare, but it does happen, talk to your dr or pharmacist, but

you were supposed to be told not to take it in time of illness. >>

Interesting... i've never been told this either...

[Guest guest]

- I decided not to go too crazy yet. I had started on a second dose

of glucophage for one day and then decided that it probably wasn't good to

switch it when I am so sick. I sort of feel like I am on the verge of

pneumonia. I pray this goes away. It is weird because in the last 9 years I

have probably only been sick twice. Then whamo it all hits at once.

.... i'd guess that you are doing ok, but... i'd suggest that you not

put a lot of credence into this till after you are all better, and off

meds... and as you get better watch for going hypo.

[Guest guest]

Thanks- I will try some of these.

Hi -

If you are going to eat yogurt, you need to switch to a plain yogurt and add

stuff to flavor it yourself. I am one of the lucky ones who can eat some

carbs without problems, so I put a little bit of unsweetened applesauce in

plain yogurt, add a little cinnamon and some splenda and it makes a great

snack. Sometimes I thrown in a few sliced almonds to add a little crunch.

I don't ever eat pre-flavored yogurts anymore because some variation of

sugar, fructose, corn syrup, etc is almost always near the top of the list

of ingredients.

Other ways to add flavor without adding carbs would be to use something like

Atkins syrups, which I've never tried, or tiny amounts of vanilla extract or

maple extract or whatever flavor you like that are used for baking along

with your choice of artificial sweetener. Some day when I'm feeling more

creative I might try mixing it with sugar-free jello to see if I can get a

creamy dessert... you never know

Anne