Re: Yale and others that HAVE to have a cause to point their f...

April 4, 2001

... IM not being obstinate but unlike diabetes; the cause of aides....

and the abstinence of what ever caused the aids ...i.e. blood transfusions,

needle sharing, whatever ... in no way contributes to any cure; as does

losing weight and cutting out the foods that triggered diabetes in the first

place...If you are a health professional, public health officer or something

similar i would think that you would feel the need to focus here in this

group on behavior changes that can truly have an impact on this disease ...

to accept the move to oral meds or the move to insulin .... is just not a

prudent ideology... ask any endo doc and they will tell you that the

progression to these meds is usually due to patient non compliance with

weight loss and exercise.... IM sorry but the cure and yes I say cure for

type 2 lies in weight loss... As Dr. Bernstein states in his

book.....IM not in any health care field..... but being married to a

physician for some 30 years now..... I have had plenty of access to them.....

My husband, associated with the largest health care institute in the world,

has maybe given me a different perspective.....IM not obsessed with weight

but when the loss of weight will prevent further complications to a disease

how can we as a diabetic group not focus to some extent on the best ways to

lose that weight.....

April 4, 2001

Oh and let me add just 1 more thing and then I will shut up...... Concerning

type 1 diabetics....... preserving any remaining beta cells a type 1 may have

is preserving their cure...The new gene transplant therapy right on our

horizon will only be accomplished with the patients own gens....Now lots of

type 1's don't need weight loss but if they have any pancreas activity they

need a regime to preserve that beta cell activity..... IM sorry you guys feel

IM a finger pointer. That's not been my intent at all... shoot... like I have

said IM a fatso..... I need to heed my own advice as well......

April 5, 2001

, it is my husband also, that believes type 2 diabetes can be eradicated

with normal weight. He says with healthy eating and a reasonable caloric

intake,excersise and a diet devoid of mainly junk and processed foods we

would not see the alarming rate of type 2 diabetes in young people. Further

that if a type 2 does not have a burned out pancreas and can maintain a goal

weight then they are essentially cured of their diabetes as long as they keep

at their goal. Its his belief that insulin is the protocol only when the

patient will not comply with the need to reduce their weight......he further

states that mortality is greatly increased in insulin taking type 2 diabetics

verses those that are able to come to a normal weight. What is the purpose of

this list? Are we here to offer encouragement to go on and pump insulin or be

supportive of healthy alternatives? Should we be sharing complementary

medical advice that has worked for us maybe.....like niacin or

l-carotine...... do I maybe have a home remedy that could work for your

tingly feet?... Advil works for mine.... Taking my glucopage first thing in

the morning helps my Bs stay stable through the day 2x 500 in the morning

upon rising...... 1 at night before sleep..... should we offer our experience

with a diabetic educator that insists on a diet of 40% carbohydrates and 1800

calories......you all tell me...... Do high sugar levels cause depression?

What is it that this list wishes to accomplish..... to support?..... to

provide information?..... to encourage alternative lifestyles that just might

make a difference for someone?

April 5, 2001

In a message dated 04/05/2001 7:08:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

raggedy@... writes:

> If your husband is a physician then you should know, weight loss or not

> ... at the current time there is NO CURE for diabetes.

AND this doc needs further , updated, current info on diabetes, of course

we'll be more than happy to enlighten him, ;-)

Also yalegirl, why are you on the weight issue when it is often a topic we

understand to be important? Do you know who or what you are fighting??

Soon you will find your posts unanswered as members will most likely start

deleting your messages.

You say your husband has made you see different in regards to diabetes, you

don't need to let him make you feel guilty for a disease that isn't your

fault. You need to accept your diabetes and get on with your control ,

although anger and denial common with dm, you need to get with the program

now, may I suggest a therapist to help you deal with the realities in your

dm, I would suggest a therapist who deals with grief and loss therapy, as

this is what we feel and experience in living with a chronic disease.

carol

April 5, 2001

In a message dated 01-04-05 08:17:29 EDT, you write:

<< Further

that if a type 2 does not have a burned out pancreas and can maintain a goal

weight then they are essentially cured of their diabetes as long as they

keep

at their goal. Its his belief that insulin is the protocol only when the

patient will not comply with the need to reduce their weight...... >>

I think we have a semantic problem here again. If by " keep at their goal " he

mean continue to keep BG at normal range BY WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY -- i.e.

pills, diet, exercise or, yes, insulin -- one is " cured " of diabetes.

However, to newbies this is very misleading. They may think " cured " means

one can go back to " old " way of life, i.e. eating whatever they want. This

is dangerous.

His -- and your -- belief that insulin is only to be used as a last resort is

just plain wrong. There are many type 2s on this list and out there in the

world who use insulin for control by choice, not because they have failed to

comply. This is just adding guilt where guilt is not necessary. Vicki

April 5, 2001

yalegirls@... wrote:

>

> Oh and let me add just 1 more thing and then I will shut up...... Concerning

> type 1 diabetics....... preserving any remaining beta cells a type 1 may have

> is preserving their cure...The new gene transplant therapy right on our

> horizon will only be accomplished with the patients own gens....Now lots of

> type 1's don't need weight loss but if they have any pancreas activity they

> need a regime to preserve that beta cell activity..... IM sorry you guys feel

> IM a finger pointer. That's not been my intent at all... shoot... like I have

> said IM a fatso..... I need to heed my own advice as well......

>

I think you've added much more than you should. In fact, why don't you

take a hiatus? I see two things wrong with your posting: you are

dwelling on your own fat problem and trying to make everyone else feel

bad, and the reason for that is probably because your husband reminds

you of it all the time for being a bad girl. Some physician.

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April 5, 2001

In a message dated 4/5/01 8:17:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, yalegirls@...

writes:

<< , it is my husband also, that believes type 2 diabetes can be

eradicated

with normal weight. He says with healthy eating and a reasonable caloric

intake,excersise and a diet devoid of mainly junk and processed foods we

would not see the alarming rate of type 2 diabetes in young people. Further

that if a type 2 does not have a burned out pancreas and can maintain a goal

weight then they are essentially cured of their diabetes as long as they

keep

at their goal. Its his belief that insulin is the protocol only when the

patient will not comply with the need to reduce their weight......he further

states that mortality is greatly increased in insulin taking type 2

diabetics

verses those that are able to come to a normal weight. >>

Yalegirls... i'm sooo sorry that you have to put up with such an insensitive,

ignorant husband... just because he is a physician (even at a prominent

facility) does not mean he is a knowledgable person. or a compassionate one.

He's basically bashing you and putting you down... and you are passing on

that garbage to us... i wish you would do some of your own reading, and

learning.

Perhaps if you stopped typing on this list for a week or two, and did some

real research and reading. Not just reading on what your husband says... but

try to get away from him for a while, and look at other stuff....

Maybe it would help you, as well as us and our loop list.

heather

April 5, 2001

In a message dated 4/5/01 3:29:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, yalegirls@...

writes:

<< IM not being obstinate but unlike diabetes; the cause of aides....

and the abstinence of what ever caused the aids ...i.e. blood transfusions,

needle sharing, whatever ... in no way contributes to any cure; as does

losing weight and cutting out the foods that triggered diabetes in the first

place... >>

Hmmm actually it does...

if they no longer do needle sharing, or sexual transmission, then they are

able to minimize their disease, and their amt of HIV virus in their body.

thereby cutting down on the fatality factor a bit.

Your ignorance in listing blood transfusions as a causual factor with AIDS is

wrong, in that all blood has been screened for the last 20 yrs to prevent HIV

being spread that way.

But my point is what you totally missed....

and that is that

there is no reason to focuse on the CAUSE of the disorder, once you have it...

Focus on the TREATMENT...

When you are perfect please let me know.

Until then, please type and put the mail in send later, and then review it

to be certain that it will hurt NO ONE before you hit send.

April 5, 2001

In a message dated 01-04-05 09:46:55 EDT, you write:

<< This is just adding guilt where guilt is not necessary. >>

I might add, guilt is never necessary <g> Vicki

April 5, 2001

Another great post, , echoes my sentiments exactly. And diplomatic,

too. (smile) Vicki

In a message dated 01-04-05 11:08:38 EDT, you write:

<<

Yalegirls... i'm sooo sorry that you have to put up with such an

insensitive,

ignorant husband... just because he is a physician (even at a prominent

facility) does not mean he is a knowledgable person. or a compassionate one.

He's basically bashing you and putting you down... and you are passing on

that garbage to us... i wish you would do some of your own reading, and

learning.

Perhaps if you stopped typing on this list for a week or two, and did some

real research and reading. Not just reading on what your husband says... but

try to get away from him for a while, and look at other stuff....

Maybe it would help you, as well as us and our loop list.

heather

--- >>

April 5, 2001

Must you continue to be so insensitive when you've been repeatedly told that

there are some people who are very sensitive about weight issues? There are

some on this list who have battled weight problems and societal issues related

to them since childhood. For some of them, that very word is a sore point. The

fact that you'll use it in reference to yourself doesn't make it hurt them any

less. Surely you're familiar with that horrid old schoolyard chant that ends in

" can't get through the kitchen door. "

As the wife of a physician, you should also know that there are those people who

can control their diet and exercise 'til the cows come home, and still not be

able to lose the weight.

Please, THINK before you hit that send button. How many people will you hurt

with your next post?

Teri

Re: Yale and others that HAVE to have a cause to point

their f...

said IM a fatso..... I need to heed my own advice as well......

April 5, 2001

AMEN!

Re: Yale and others that HAVE to have a cause to

point their f...

Oh and let me add just 1 more thing and then I will shut up...... Concerning

type 1 diabetics....... preserving any remaining beta cells a type 1 may

have

is preserving their cure...The new gene transplant therapy right on our

horizon will only be accomplished with the patients own gens....Now lots of

type 1's don't need weight loss but if they have any pancreas activity they

need a regime to preserve that beta cell activity..... IM sorry you guys

feel

IM a finger pointer. That's not been my intent at all... shoot... like I

have

said IM a fatso..... I need to heed my own advice as well......

April 5, 2001

Please Yalegirl, you are still missing the point. I am overweight yes, but

calling myself a " fatso " is demeaning and doesn't help one bit. Even when you

refer to yourself as a fatso I find it offensive, although I will admit that is

my problem. Also you have *some* valid points but then you make generalities.

If your husband is a physician then you should know, weight loss or not ... at

the current time there is NO CURE for diabetes. What there is, is control.

Weight loss will help some of us yes, but not every type 2 needs to lose weight

for good control. Weight loss is a tool. Yes, I want to lose weight but that is

not the only thing that is going to help me keep my sugar under control. I

liked the person on here who said that her doctor told her she was a diabetic

who was controlling her disease.

Maybe there are some people who need to be hit on the head with a 2x4 to help

them deal with the weight/diabetes issue, but to assume that we all need that is

an error on your part.

Please stop preaching to us on this issue. I have been lectured about it enough.

I am glad to hear what works for you, but please keep it in the first person

and stop telling the rest of us what we need to do.

To put it more simply... please get off our case!