Re: hurt

[Guest guest]

that person was an idiot. you most likely hurt no-one. please do something

extra special for yourself. always try to ignore the ignorant ones.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/17/01 2:25:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,

chissus@... writes:

<< The poster that hurt me responded: " I am what I am also, but feel no need

to

force others to watch. My sister has a colostomy, would you like to watch

her change her fecal bag? " She went on in another post to point out that

people were polite so of course they wouldn't say if it bothered them even

if they were ready to heave.

I feel sick inside. I don't know how many people I have offended.

Strangers? My friends? My family? I don't know what to do. I can't stop

eating. I want to die. >>

Ohhh Joan..... {{{{{{Joan}}}}}

that other poster is WRONG....

I also test whereever i am.... i have a couple friends that i know are

squimish bout blood, and i wont do it where they are....but i test, cuz i

need to. If i was at a formal resturant, i might excuse myself to the

bathroom, and i might not...

I find it totally different than a ostomy bag, which although i would not be

grossed out by.... is definately a bathroom function and belongs in there....

I'm sorry you are upset, but.... imho she/he was wrong.

[Guest guest]

Hi;

Gabe tests right in his classroom...then he has a friend hold his arm and

injects right there in the lunchroom....I wouldn't think of teaching him any

other way. If someone is offended then he shouldn't do it in front of that

person again. Otherwise it is up to the others that are offended to tell him

that it bothers him.

In restaruants, he is very aware of who is watching...if it is crowded and no

one is aware he checks right on the table; if not, he checks with the meter

on his lap.

He nonchalantly moves over to my side of the table and I inject him in the

arm. I always clean up the strip and syringe myself; I do not leave it with

the left-overs on the table but I put it in a trash or in the bathroom trash.

There are a few people who are squeamish about needles, so we will go in the

other room to inject (one or two relatives).

What are you going to do about your hurt feelings?? That is the question,

more than what is the etiquette for blood sugar testing and injecting.

n

[Guest guest]

Joan, changing a colostomy bag with fecal matter is NOT the same thing as

shooting insulin in public. Don't feel ashamed of your diabetes! It's not

your fault. And nowadays everyone seems to have a friend or family or know

someone who has it anyway. The best thing we can do is be public about it

and educate people who need educating. No bathroom shooting insulin for me!

It is NOT a bathroom function! Vicki

In a message dated 01-03-17 14:25:54 EST, you write:

<<

The poster that hurt me responded: " I am what I am also, but feel no need to

force others to watch. My sister has a colostomy, would you like to watch

her change her fecal bag? " She went on in another post to point out that

people were polite so of course they wouldn't say if it bothered them even

if they were ready to heave.

I feel sick inside. I don't know how many people I have offended.

Strangers? My friends? My family? I don't know what to do. I can't stop

eating. I want to die.

>>

[Guest guest]

Hi Joan -

There's a big difference between sticking your finger and testing blood,

which most people don't even notice, and removing clothing to take off a

plastic bag full of fecal matter, wash, and put on a new plastic bag. The

second one would be a little like changing a 2 year old's full diaper in a 5

star restaurant on the fancy table linens using the napkins and dipping them

in the water glasses to clean the toddler's hiney.

You haven't done anything wrong. I test in public all the time, and if I

had to inject, I'd do that in public too. I'm careful with anything I get

blood on and NEVER leave it for a waiter or waitress because of the

perfectly reasonable public fear of HIV. To me that seems like a simple

courtesy.

I have asked friends if they mind me testing and every one of them have said

go ahead. Most, at one time or another, have also asked if I'd check theirs

and offered to pay for the test strip to do it. It has just become

something else I do. Don't let some idiot you've never met get you down.

Seems like there is always a party pooper in the crowd.

Anne

> hurt

>

>

> Hi Everybody,

> I've been hurt pretty bad by a poster on another diabetic group.

>

> Diabetes is something I've always been ashamed of. I think maybe it was

> because I was diagnosed when I was 11, an age when it's so

> important not to

> be different. Since then diabetes was something I was deeply

> ashamed of so

> I hid it.

>

> When I hit 45 last year I decided I'd had enough. I told myself

> that " I am

> who I am " . I didn't want to hide it anymore. First I began

> testing in front

> of family. It didn't seem to bother them. Then I tested in front of my

> friends. It didn't seem to bother them. So I tried it in restaurants. No

> one seemed to notice or even care! I felt like I didn't need to

> be ashamed

> anymore.

>

> Then the question of testing in public came up on another group.

> I thought I

> could share this wonderful discovery that one doesn't need to hide in the

> restroom.

>

> The poster that hurt me responded: " I am what I am also, but feel

> no need to

> force others to watch. My sister has a colostomy, would you like to watch

> her change her fecal bag? " She went on in another post to point out that

> people were polite so of course they wouldn't say if it bothered

> them even

> if they were ready to heave.

>

> I feel sick inside. I don't know how many people I have offended.

> Strangers? My friends? My family? I don't know what to do. I

> can't stop

> eating. I want to die.

>

>

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> Hi Everybody,

> I've been hurt pretty bad by a poster on another diabetic group.

>

> Diabetes is something I've always been ashamed of. I think maybe

it was

> because I was diagnosed when I was 11, an age when it's so

important not to

> be different. Since then diabetes was something I was deeply

ashamed of so

> I hid it.

>

> When I hit 45 last year I decided I'd had enough. I told myself

that " I am

> who I am " . I didn't want to hide it anymore. First I began testing

in front

> of family. It didn't seem to bother them. Then I tested in front

of my

> friends. It didn't seem to bother them. So I tried it in

restaurants. No

> one seemed to notice or even care! I felt like I didn't need to be

ashamed

> anymore.

>

> Then the question of testing in public came up on another group. I

thought I

> could share this wonderful discovery that one doesn't need to hide

in the

> restroom.

>

> The poster that hurt me responded: " I am what I am also, but feel

no need to

> force others to watch. My sister has a colostomy, would you like to

watch

> her change her fecal bag? " She went on in another post to point

out that

> people were polite so of course they wouldn't say if it bothered

them even

> if they were ready to heave.

>

> I feel sick inside. I don't know how many people I have offended.

> Strangers? My friends? My family? I don't know what to do. I

can't stop

> eating. I want to die.

>

> dear joan, please don't let what other people say offend you.

some people just think their opinions are the only ones that count.

I have had diabetes since 1974 i never even thought about hiding it.

I am type 2 and though not as bad as type one it is still rough. I

have found that over the years it has gotten harder and harder. I

have never had any bad reactions and sometimes I think that that is

worse, because I don't feel anything is wrong with me even though

there is. I too just want to eat all the time. I am trying out this

new med called starlix and don't see that it is working only been on

it 2 days so maybe it just needs to take awhile. Just never give up

and ignore the idiots in this world. There are certain things we

diabetics need to do and if the other people around are too ignorant

to know that its nessarcery to keep us alive then screw them. Just

hang in there and any time you need to talk just email me at

m.l.mckane@... and I'll try my best to be a friend. Hugs

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In a message dated 3/17/01 7:13:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, whimsy2@...

writes:

<< No bathroom shooting insulin for me!

It is NOT a bathroom function! Vicki

>>

Actually, I feel that most public bathrooms are way too dirty to be testing

blood or giving injections in..... and i'm sure that most people are safer

to do it discretely at the table..... if they are shy, and embarassed, i can

see them going out to their car to do it, before doing it in the restroom,

but i dont see a need to, due to other people.

[Guest guest]

>>I've been hurt pretty bad by a poster on another diabetic group<<

Joan, I can't believe the rudeness of some people! She sounds like a highly

ignorant, judgmental sort of person to me. I test where I want. I have one

friend who's squeamish, (and her mother's a diabetic!), so I won't test in

front of her, but everyone else I know is fine with it. It's so easy to test

unobtrusively in a restaurant, so don't let this woman bother you. It's not

as if you stick your finger under people's noses and poke it! Or sit in

their laps to inject! Dang, I'm riled....

in So. Calif.

[Guest guest]

Dear Joan,

That poster who hurt you just hasn't advanced as much as you have. " Coming

out " - about diabetes or anything else - shows bravery and great trust in

those we confide in. Please don't internalize other people's callousness.

You probably wouldn't even like that person if you happened to be her

neighbor or co-worker, so don't let her " get to you. "

You know, Joan, just this morning I was reviewing some old posts, and there

was yours from a mere 2-1/2 weeks ago, and you were talking about feeling

hypo-y at 120 and asking if you should treat those, and saying you weren't

accustomed to numbers below 300. Look at the marvelous progress you've made

in 2-1/2 weeks! Now, THAT's what's important - not some insensitive clod

tossing words around like sledgehammers. You know that you are among friends

in our group.

Hugs,

Susie

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In a message dated 03/17/2001 1:25:43 PM Central Standard Time,

chissus@... writes:

<<

I feel sick inside. I don't know how many people I have offended.

Strangers? My friends? My family? I don't know what to do. I can't stop

eating. I want to die.

>>

You have offended no one....that person was inappropriate. I test all the

time in front of anyone. My dd who is 6 loves to push the button for the

" poke " My ds who is 15 refers to my glucometer as my alien

transmitter.....The whole family wants to know what the numbers are....but my

dd has to ask if they are good numbers or bad.

I would not pay any attention to that person....some people....

ressy

[Guest guest]

I wouldn't worry too much about offending anyone. It seems like someone is

going to be offended by something no matter what these days. Personlly, I

see nothing wrong with checking yourself in public, be it a restaurant or

anywhere else. Your health comes before some strangers sensibilites as far

as I'm concerned.

Patti

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Dear Precious Joan........No, no, no, no, no! You have absolutely no reason

to feel ashamed and you certainly don't want to die. God gave us life and

he didn't promise us it was going to be a bed of roses! This is just one

more test of our strength and faith

I've never been ashamed of having diabetes but I was embarrassed to take my

insulin shots where others might see me. This was not because I was ashamed

of having to take insulin but afraid that someone might think I was doing

DRUGS!!!! (That was only the first time I had to take my insulin in the

restroom at a large restaurant.) This old " biddy " gave me one of those

disgusting looks and I just cringed and told her it was insulin because I'm

a diabetic. When I told this to my fellow list members Vicki told me I

shouldn't let it bother me. She said it doesn't bother her to take her shot

right there in the restaurant. I suppose it educates some of the people.

Well, I still don't do it in public places 'cause I take it in my tummy. If

I ever change to my thigh or my leg it wouldn't even bother me.

I just want to assure you that if people are not offended because of this

they would be offended for some other STUPID reason. Shame on them!!!! It

just shows their ignorance. I feel sorry for them because they have no idea

what may be ahead for them. I'm just like Popeye the Sailor Man. I yam

what I yam and that's all that I yam! If people are so shocked they can

turn their heads.Come to think of it, from what I've been reading, at the

rate things are going the diabetics are going to outnumber the rest of the

population anyway.

Honey, you're definitely among friends now. Welcome to our big ol' lovin'

family.

Hugs,

Tootie

hurt

I feel sick inside. I don't know how many people I have offended.

Strangers? My friends? My family? I don't know what to do. I can't stop

eating. I want to die.

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Dear Joan;

Maybe you should reframe the " hide " to " being careful who you share your

situation with. " I notice that even though he is not ashamed of his

diabetes, Gabe will look around a room or resturant or situation and see what

the status is. If we are at a fancy party or people are seated real close to

each other and he doesn't know them, he will check away from the table or on

his lap. If we are in a big, average, crowded resturant that is bustling, he

checks right there on the table. There is nothing wrong with being a " Roman "

in Rome....what I mean is, when you are surrounded by those who you trust and

who feel comfortable, then check and inject away...it is okay to be careful

of others feelings and check and inject privately too.

As for the bathroom..well if there is no one to hold Gabe's arm, he has to

inject in the rear end... and he doesn't like to grab that area or inject

through heavy jeans, so the bathroom is usually the only choice.

By the way, I think you were asking about dosing protein.....I was chatting

with Ron Sebol about that and he says it is fine, A-okay, if you want to post

him and ask questions as he is FAR more knowing than me. His E-mail is

rsebol@...

People say Gabe is lucky that I take care of him. I have trouble with this.

What else would any mother do?? The though of him being damaged is

unbearable as I am sure the thought of damaging one's child is to any mother.

Be well......use the hurt to learn something....it is a lesson and if you

learn the lesson, then the hurt will have been worthwhile....try to find out

what the hurt is telling

you, okay???

n

[Guest guest]

> I've been hurt pretty bad by a poster on another diabetic group.

Joan, dear, you can't let one person ruin the way you and your friends and

family see yourself. " What other people think of me is none of my

business " , is a good motto of mine. There are all kinds of people on the

internet, some we need to take with a grain or two of salt, and some need

deleting without reading.

Barb

[Guest guest]

good for you. i have very discretely lifted the hem on

my top or blouse and injected. grossed out the men who

have taken me to dinner but thats their problem.

--- GayRghts@... wrote:

> In a message dated 3/17/01 7:13:38 PM Eastern

> Standard Time, whimsy2@...

> writes:

>

> << No bathroom shooting insulin for me!

> It is NOT a bathroom function! Vicki

> >>

> Actually, I feel that most public bathrooms are

> way too dirty to be testing

> blood or giving injections in..... and i'm sure

> that most people are safer

> to do it discretely at the table..... if they are

> shy, and embarassed, i can

> see them going out to their car to do it, before

> doing it in the restroom,

> but i dont see a need to, due to other people.

>

>

>

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My thought is that friends and family would say something, and the rest of

the world will have to learn to live with it! I remember when anyone in a

wheelchair was kept in doors so you didn't upset anyone. Anyone with a

physical deformity was locked away... Its time to get diabetes out of the

closet and out in public! If folks ask about it, inform them, it could save

someone's life!

hurt

Hi Everybody,

I've been hurt pretty bad by a poster on another diabetic group.

Diabetes is something I've always been ashamed of. I think maybe it was

because I was diagnosed when I was 11, an age when it's so important not to

be different. Since then diabetes was something I was deeply ashamed of so

I hid it.

When I hit 45 last year I decided I'd had enough. I told myself that " I am

who I am " . I didn't want to hide it anymore. First I began testing in front

of family. It didn't seem to bother them. Then I tested in front of my

friends. It didn't seem to bother them. So I tried it in restaurants. No

one seemed to notice or even care! I felt like I didn't need to be ashamed

anymore.

Then the question of testing in public came up on another group. I thought I

could share this wonderful discovery that one doesn't need to hide in the

restroom.

The poster that hurt me responded: " I am what I am also, but feel no need to

force others to watch. My sister has a colostomy, would you like to watch

her change her fecal bag? " She went on in another post to point out that

people were polite so of course they wouldn't say if it bothered them even

if they were ready to heave.

I feel sick inside. I don't know how many people I have offended.

Strangers? My friends? My family? I don't know what to do. I can't stop

eating. I want to die.

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Elting wrote:

<< ... I remember when anyone in a wheelchair was kept in doors so you

didn't upset anyone. Anyone with a physical deformity was locked away... Its

time to get diabetes out of the closet and out in public! If folks ask

about it, inform them, it could save someone's life! >>

Well spoken, ! A half-century ago, pregnant, married women would hide

themselves away for the duration of their pregnancy, because their big

tummies proved that < gasp > they had sex with their husbands!!

We diabetics can do more than anyone, most likely, to get the message out

about this disease.

Susie

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In a message dated 01-03-18 22:46:30 EST, you write:

<< and the embarrasment of it has made me a virtual recluse. >>

I just don't understand this way of thinking. What's embarrassing about

diabetes? It's an illness. Would you be embarrassed if your eyes were bad and

you had to wear glasses? It's the same thing. Not your fault. Doesn't make

you less of a person. Nothing to be ashamed of. Vicki

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 01-03-18 22:50:12 EST, you write:

<< have two adult children who work in the

health field and they insist i hide my insulin and not

store it in my refrigerator or fill my syringes in the

kitchen. >>

Well, my gosh, Joan, if they work in the health field they should CERTAINly

be more open minded and know better! Would they have you use bad insulin

because it's not stored in the refrigerator? Golly! Vicki

[Guest guest]

Susie, darlin', it looks like the years have escaped you! That reaction to

pregnant women was around the turn of the last century, about 100 years ago,

not 50... I don't have any recollection of my mom having to hide her

" condition " !

Ain't gettin' old fun!!

Re: hurt

Elting wrote:

<< ... I remember when anyone in a wheelchair was kept in doors so you

didn't upset anyone. Anyone with a physical deformity was locked away... Its

time to get diabetes out of the closet and out in public! If folks ask

about it, inform them, it could save someone's life! >>

Well spoken, ! A half-century ago, pregnant, married women would hide

themselves away for the duration of their pregnancy, because their big

tummies proved that < gasp > they had sex with their husbands!!

We diabetics can do more than anyone, most likely, to get the message out

about this disease.

Susie

[Guest guest]

i agree with this. diabetes and the embarrasment of it

has made me a virtual recluse.

--- " Susie M. " wrote:

> Elting wrote:

>

> << ... I remember when anyone in a wheelchair was

> kept in doors so you

> didn't upset anyone. Anyone with a physical

> deformity was locked away... Its

> time to get diabetes out of the closet and out in

> public! If folks ask

> about it, inform them, it could save someone's life!

> >>

>

> Well spoken, ! A half-century ago, pregnant,

> married women would hide

> themselves away for the duration of their pregnancy,

> because their big

> tummies proved that < gasp > they had sex with their

> husbands!!

>

> We diabetics can do more than anyone, most likely,

> to get the message out

> about this disease.

>

> Susie

>

>

>

>

>

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when i was growing up in the 50's i remember pregnant

women not going out in public. in 1964 one of the

married teachers became pregnant and had to quit her

job so the students would not see her big tummy

--- Elting wrote:

>

> Susie, darlin', it looks like the years have

> escaped you! That reaction to

> pregnant women was around the turn of the last

> century, about 100 years ago,

> not 50... I don't have any recollection of my mom

> having to hide her

> " condition " !

>

> Ain't gettin' old fun!!

>

> Re: hurt

>

> Elting wrote:

>

> << ... I remember when anyone in a wheelchair was

> kept in doors so you

> didn't upset anyone. Anyone with a physical

> deformity was locked away... Its

> time to get diabetes out of the closet and out in

> public! If folks ask

> about it, inform them, it could save someone's life!

> >>

>

> Well spoken, ! A half-century ago, pregnant,

> married women would hide

> themselves away for the duration of their pregnancy,

> because their big

> tummies proved that < gasp > they had sex with their

> husbands!!

>

> We diabetics can do more than anyone, most likely,

> to get the message out

> about this disease.

>

> Susie

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi, all. I had two pregnancies in the mid 1950s, and

two in the early 1960s. In all four cases, I was

required to stop working when the pregnancies began to

show! Both in 1960-61, and the second pregnancy in

1962, required my leaving my employment as soon as

people noticed I was pg.

Sheila {:-D

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[Guest guest]

joan i envy you for feeling more open about your

diabetes. i have two adult children who work in the

health field and they insist i hide my insulin and not

store it in my refrigerator or fill my syringes in the

kitchen.

--- Joan ston wrote:

> Hi n,

> I really appreciate your post. I think Gabe is very

> lucky to have you as a

> mom. I'm new at being up front about being

> diabetic. I've hidden it for 35

> years. I guess I'm still fragile about it.

>

> What am I going to do about my hurt feelings?

> That's a very good question.

> I've started to hide testing and shooting again even

> from my husband. I know

> this isn't healthy. He doesn't even know I got my

> feeling hurt. I was too

> afraid that he would secretly agree with her. I

> guess I'll have to start

> over.

>

> joan >^^<

>

>

> >From: drmarion12@...

> >Reply-To: diabetes_int

> >To: diabetes_int

> >Subject: Re: hurt

> >Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:27:32 EST

> >

> >Hi;

> >

> >Gabe tests right in his classroom...then he has a

> friend hold his arm and

> >injects right there in the lunchroom....I wouldn't

> think of teaching him

> >any

> >other way. If someone is offended then he

> shouldn't do it in front of that

> >person again. Otherwise it is up to the others

> that are offended to tell

> >him

> >that it bothers him.

> >

> >In restaruants, he is very aware of who is

> watching...if it is crowded and

> >no

> >one is aware he checks right on the table; if not,

> he checks with the meter

> >on his lap.

> >He nonchalantly moves over to my side of the table

> and I inject him in the

> >arm. I always clean up the strip and syringe

> myself; I do not leave it

> >with

> >the left-overs on the table but I put it in a trash

> or in the bathroom

> >trash.

> >

> >

> >There are a few people who are squeamish about

> needles, so we will go in

> >the

> >other room to inject (one or two relatives).

> >

> >What are you going to do about your hurt feelings??

> That is the question,

> >more than what is the etiquette for blood sugar

> testing and injecting.

> >

> >n

> >

> >

> >[Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

i had my first child in 1973 and my husband was a

religious fanatic and he kept me out of sight the

entire pregnancy.

--- Sheila Clinton- wrote:

> Hi, all. I had two pregnancies in the mid 1950s,

> and

> two in the early 1960s. In all four cases, I was

> required to stop working when the pregnancies began

> to

> show! Both in 1960-61, and the second pregnancy in

> 1962, required my leaving my employment as soon as

> people noticed I was pg.

>

> Sheila {:-D

>

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