Re: Re: zyprexa withdrawal

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Dear Matt,

You said:

<< Some people might remember me from last summer when I posted here a

few times. Since then I have had to drop out of University, break up with my

fiancee, move back in with my parents and alter my career plans from wanting

to be a novelist to borrowing money from my folks to take an AZ truck

driving course. All because I took Zyprexa for a month last April. Does

anyone have any experience with this drug, or have any ideas about how I can

improve my mental state? I literally cannot form a single thought in my

head, and I have tried many different things to try and remedy the

situation. I've tried taking a low dose and coming off it slowly

('s idea), I've tried taking a high dose to see if it would

stimulate my brain (my idea), I've tried taking a variety of different drugs

from lithium to other antipsychotics to a few different antidepressants

(a few different psychiatrists ideas) and it has all been in vain. >>

** I'm going to be very direct with you. You seem sincere, you've

suffered greatly, and you deserve a straight answer.

First, you only added to your injury when you played around with a high

dose of the drug and then took other drugs. You're suffering from what 95%

of people suffer from who initially come here -- you have been brainwashed

into believing that drugs are the answer to all your physical and emotional

problems. You've done what countless others have also done. You kept trying

different drugs because you so firmly believe in them.

In fact, you are so under the influence of the pharmaceutical culture

that despite being in the shape you are currently in, you still fervently

believe there is a drug for you, otherwise, you would not be bothering to go

to yet another doctor.

Now, let's really look at this.

What is the first interest of drug companies? Their first and foremost

interest is to make money for their shareholders. If they happen to help

you in the meantime, that's a bonus for them; but that is not their primary

goal. They make drugs all the time that don't work. Why do people use

them? They use them because the pharmaceutical companies employ the most

talented people in industrial psychology and marketing. The cream of the

crop works for the pharmaceutical companies. In fact, four major

advertising firms on Madison Ave. are now owned by the same parent companies

that own pharmaceutical companies. Convenient, isn't it? This happened in

the past several years when the FDA and the government stopped doing their

jobs and began allowing drug companies to advertise directly to the

consumer.

Speaking of the FDA, you are probably thinking that there is no way a

drug company could get so many drugs approved that don't work. How can that

be?

Well, Matt, here's how it's done. The FDA isn't concerned with

efficacy. If the drug shows data as being effective in 10% of people, and

doesn't make your head fall off or make the majority of people die when they

take a dose of it, then it is given the approval of the FDA.

More on the FDA. Did you know that the FDA does not do any drug testing

of it's own? What it does is have the drug companies do that. Then, when

they're ready to seek approval, a drug company sends a team to work for the

FDA until the drug is approved. That's right -- to work FOR the FDA. They

become, for all intents and purposes, FDA employees but are paid by the drug

company for which they work.

Speaking of employees, did you know that over 50% of FDA employees used

to work for the pharmaceutical industry?

Are you aware that clinical trials for any drug submitted to the FDA for

approval need be no longer than 6 weeks?

But that's not 6 weeks of taking a drug. No, that's a 1 week washout

period (no drug or placebo), a two week period of taking the drug, another

one week washout period, and then a two week period on placebo (the placebo

arm is done at random).

So, the drug is taken for 2 weeks. What do you suppose this reveals

about most drugs? If you said, " Not much, " you're right.

Did you know that the pharmaceutical companies make university

researchers who conduct their trials for them sign confidentiality clauses

that they will not reveal any difficulties or negative outcomes of drug

trials? Well, they do. Then, they alter the data so when the FDA or we read

it, suicide attempts become, " marked agitation " . Cardiac arrhythmias become

" heart palpitations " . I'm not making this up. They've been caught doing

this. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Most people are unaware of

these things.

Another thing of which most people are not aware is that we really don't

know very much about the brain. Consequently, when it comes to explaining

how psychotropic drugs perform, science can't do it.

Science DOESN'T KNOW exactly what these drugs do to the brain.

All psychotropic drug monographs either have a statement blatantly saying

they don't know what the drugs do to your brain, or, they will tell you what

they " believe " a drug does. But this is quite inexact. After all, if it

REALLY did what they state they believe it does, they would be able to map

this.

Here are some examples of the lack of knowledge concerning psychotropic

drugs. The statements are directly from the Physicians' Desk Reference

(PDR), a professional compendium of pharmaceutical drugs:

ZYPREXA (Olanzapine) -- The mechanism of action of olanzapine, as with other

drugs having efficacy in schizophrenia, is unknown.

Risperdal (risperidone) -- The mechanism of action of RISPERDAL

(risperidone), as with other drugs used to treat schizophrenia, is unknown.

Effexor (venlafaxine) -- The mechanism of the antidepressant action of

venlafaxine in humans is believed to be associated with its potentiation of

neurotransmitter activity in the CNS...Pharmacologic activity at these

receptors is hypothesized to be associated with the various anticholinergic,

sedative, and cardiovascular effects seen with other psychotropic drugs.

[as a quick refresher, a HYPOTHESIS is an educated guess]

Zoloft (sertraline) -- The mechanism of action of sertraline is presumed to

be linked to its inhibition of CNS neuronal uptake of serotonin (5HT).

Prozac (fluoxetine) -- The antidepressant, antiobsessive-compulsive, and

antibulimic actions of fluoxetine are presumed to be linked to its

inhibition of CNS neuronal uptake of serotonin.

[definition of PRESUMED -- To take for granted as being true in the absence

of proof to the contrary.]

Klonopin (clonazepam) -- The precise mechanism by which clonazepam exerts

its antiseizure effects is unknown, although it is believed to be related to

its ability to enhance the activity of gamma aminobutyric acid (GABA), the

major inhibitory neurotransmitter in the central nervous system.

Xanax (alprazolam) -- CNS agents of the 1,4 benzodiazepine class presumably

exert their effects by binding at stereo specific receptors at several sites

within the central nervous system. Their exact mechanism of action is

unknown.

** I think you get my point.

You said:

<<If anyone has any productive suggestions you might be helping to save a

life, but please do not mention diet, something very seriously wrong has

happened to my brain and it cannot be fixed with soy milk and rice, or fish

oil or any other natural substance.>>

** Okay, Matt, I want you to really think about these next questions.

How is it that the brain and body function and stay alive every day?

What is required to stay alive and for the millions of chemical and

electrical functions to take place?

When we are born, are our mothers given drug kits prior to leaving the

hospital in order to keep us alive? No, they're not. So what is it that

keeps a body optimally performing?

All living organisms have certain characteristics that distinguish them

from non-living forms. The basic processes of life include organization,

metabolism, responsiveness, movements, and reproduction. In humans, who

represent the most complex form of life, there are additional requirements

such as growth, differentiation, respiration, digestion, and excretion. All

of these processes are interrelated. No part of the body, from the smallest

cell to a complete body system, works in isolation. All function together,

in finely-tuned balance, for the well being of the individual and to

maintain life.

Next, how do psychotropic drugs work?

Psychotropic drugs exert their action on the brain by manipulating

neurotransmitters in ways that the brain would never naturally do itself.

This has a profound effects on the brain and body. These effects are

seldom favorable.

It's important to remember that neurotransmitters are responsible for

much more than your brain. They affect your cardiovascular system, your

muscles, your entire autonomic nervous system, your appetite, your

digestion, and many other bodily processes..

Diseases such as cancer, heart disease, depression, and psychosis and

finally, death, represent a disruption of the balance in these processes.

What makes these processes happen? They depend on certain physical

factors from the environment. These are water, oxygen, nutrients, heat, and

pressure. In order for cellular processes to occur, each of these factors

must be present in the proper form and amount.

So, tell me how is it that you can so readily dismiss anything " natural " ?

Natural things are precisely what your brain/body needs in order to heal and

begin working properly again.

What you DON'T need is yet another assault from yet another drug. This

is what will happen if you go to a neurologist or any other physician.

Because you really don't understand the fundamentals of how your brain/body

works, you are going to end up accepting one of more drugs that will further

harm you if you go seeking answers from the very people who believe that the

drugs that harmed you don't really do that.

Your goal is to make you brain function as it once did. In order to do

this, you need to give your brain that which it would normally utilize for

normal function. You get oxygen, heat, and pressure from the environment.

This leave just water and nutrients for you to provide for yourself. I can

help you do this. It will take time but I absolutely gurantee that you will

recover most, if not all of your level of functioning. It will be in the

form of high quality nutritional supplements, proper food, and possibly some

herbs and flower essences. By the way, do you know that nutritional

supplements and herbs could kill you in one day if you took them

incorrectly? Think of the poser of nutrients -- they are at the very

foundation of your being.

Look around you here. You are really no different from anyone else

here. They all were harmed by drugs like the ones you took. The one

difference between them and you is that they have gone ahead and implemented

the recommendations thry've been given here, while you are still stuck in

the conventional medicine paradigm of believing there MUST be a drug that

will fix you.

But that's not going to happen, Matt.

You said:

<< Thoughtlessness has to be the worst state in the world, every morning I

wake up from my dreams and curse myself that I will have to go through

another day in the state I am in. My emotions range from regretting having

not commited suicide, to wanting to commit suicide, to wanting to firebomb

the corporate headquarters of Eli Lilly (they make Zyprexa), to hating

different psychiatrists and social workers I have met over the past couple

of years. The worst thing about it is no one believes me except for a few

people on different messsageboards on the internet - my parents believe the

psychiatrists and think I have " manic depression " , whatever that is supposed

to be, all my friends think I'm just depressed and should toughen up, the

" Doctors " are so pompous and self-satisfied and they think they have helped

me, I hate them the most, especially the one who thought it would be a " good

idea " for me to spend a month in the hospital, when I was a little depressed

and grieving the death of a friend.>>

** You would benefit greatly from 4 drops under your tongue, four times

a day of Bach Cherry Plum Flower Essence. This will help with the great

anger you have. At this point, the anger is unhealthy for you and only

causing further harm. You would be les angry if you were on the path of

recovery.

Your final statement above is that you hate all doctors. So why are you

looking for one to fix you?

You said:

<< I still refuse to believe that this drug has permanently fried my brain.

I'm starting to see a neurologist soon and I am hopeful that he has some

answers because if he doesn't I really don't know what I'm going to do. If

someone knows something about this phenemenon (not being able to think) as a

result of taking Zyprexa or another psychotropic drug and can offer a

solution then PLEASE help me because there is no way I can spend another 60

years the way I have spent the last one and I am quickly running out of

ideas about what I can do>>

** I'm glad you're running out of ideas. All your ideas have done for

you is make you worse. It's time to use some logic. Look around here

again. Look through the message archives. This group is full of people who

came here in similar conditions to your condition. THEY ARE GETTING BETTER.

And they're not doing it using pharmaceutical drugs. What happened to you

is not unusual. It has happened to most of the people here. Most of their

doctors and families don't believe them either.

So, are you ready, Matt? What do you have to lose? The evidence is

right before your eyes. Will you see it or will you continue on the path

that has brought you to where you are today?

We're here for you when you're ready.

Regards,

" Human beings, who are almost unique in having

the ability to learn from the experience of others,

are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination

to do so. "

--

[Guest guest]

I would like to thank everyone who replied to my post. I just sent a detailed letter to expressing my interest to work with her and the group. I pray to God that I find the same level of success that others in the group have found. Your right Dan, Zyprexa is a posion and I curse the day that I started talking that drug, as I imagine many curse the day they started taking whatever psychotropic drug damaged their health. In my letter to I stated that I would rather have my thoughts back than have a million dollars (I'm currently a student in need of financial stability). I suppose I have found out the veracity of the maxim that you can't buy your health, unfortunate that I had to find out how true that is at such a young age. Does anyone have any specific advice abot what supplements are best to cure an injured brain?? Or

if anyone else has been cursed with the more specific state of thoughtlessness, what herbs or anything work best in restoring the ability to think to the brain??? Thanks in advance, but I'd probably be best to talk to about that, Best, Matt McCormack roadlessgraveled wrote: C Creel wrote... > > When we are born, are our mothers given drug kits prior to leaving the > hospital in order to keep us alive? No, they're not. So what is it that > keeps a body optimally performing?Wow...good point !I think we need to start with the premise that we are designed to be

healthy, not sick. And it doesn't matter if a person is an evolutionist or a creationist, I think it's a carved in stone fact that we are designed to be a success. IF we "run the equipment" the way it was designed to be run.And neither evolution or our creator designed us to run on the terrible diet that is common to the western world. Native people living in the jungle eat better than the average American, because they are eating what they were designed to eat.Genetic defects are rare, because they are anti-survival. In my opinion, we should start with the idea that we are perfectly designed, and not assume otherwise until we are sure we are "operating the equipment" right. And if we did come with "owners manuals" we would NOT find Zyprexa or any other such poisons mentioned in it!My best to you all,Dan__________________________________________________