New here

May 11, 2006

April,

Do you have a copy of " Nourishing Traditions " ? That will give you the

basics and more. If you're anemic, one of the first things you want to

consider is how you prepare your grains/rice/seeds/nuts. They should be

soaked in order to neutralize the phytic acid which naturally occurs on them

to keep them from germinating. Phytic acid, if not neutralized, inhibits

absorption of minerals and iron by the intestines, thus, imo, contributes to

anemia.

You have the right idea by focusing on pasture-fed animals - the idea behind

that is to consume meat/dairy that hasn't been fed corn/soy. HTH.

Sharon, NH

On 5/10/06, April <allhaul@...> wrote:

>

> Anyway I was referred to Weston Price by a former vegetarian who told

> me (a former vegetarian)that eating that way has been the cause of

> health issues I am dealing with. To name a couple for now it would be

> anemia and hypoglycemia. I'm not ready to bite into a steak yet. I

> haven't done that in about 20 years. But in the mean time I have been

> more diligently eating salmon, eggs and tuna.

>

May 11, 2006

Hi Sharon

I have been eating free range chickens ever since I found them in the

stores. What I don't know how to find is the raw milk. There is

homogenized milk available from grass fed cows. I saw it in the store

yesterday but it's homogenized. Don't I need to find the raw stuff? So,

I didn't buy it while still unsure. In the mean time I have two

containers of soy milk to pour down the drain. I had thought I was doing

something good for my body drinking all that soy milk. Even that will be

a change, adapting to the taste of real milk. So, in my introduction

when I said I haven't been eating processed food, I had not considered

that soy was processed. So, I was wrong. I look forward to how much

better I should feel when getting the soy out of my diet.

April

Re: New Here

April,

Do you have a copy of " Nourishing Traditions " ? That will give you the

basics and more. If you're anemic, one of the first things you want to

consider is how you prepare your grains/rice/seeds/nuts. They should

be

soaked in order to neutralize the phytic acid which naturally occurs on

them

to keep them from germinating. Phytic acid, if not neutralized,

inhibits

absorption of minerals and iron by the intestines, thus, imo,

contributes to

anemia.

You have the right idea by focusing on pasture-fed animals - the idea

behind

that is to consume meat/dairy that hasn't been fed corn/soy. HTH.

Sharon, NH

On 5/10/06, April <allhaul@...> wrote:

>

> Anyway I was referred to Weston Price by a former vegetarian who told

> me (a former vegetarian)that eating that way has been the cause of

> health issues I am dealing with. To name a couple for now it would be

> anemia and hypoglycemia. I'm not ready to bite into a steak yet. I

> haven't done that in about 20 years. But in the mean time I have been

> more diligently eating salmon, eggs and tuna.

>

May 12, 2006

Did I really say chickens? I meant to say eggs! I was sitting out in the

sun with the lap top. I guess the sun was getting to my brain!

April

Re: New Here

April,

Do you have a copy of " Nourishing Traditions " ? That will give you the

basics and more. If you're anemic, one of the first things you want to

consider is how you prepare your grains/rice/seeds/nuts. They should

be

soaked in order to neutralize the phytic acid which naturally occurs on

them

to keep them from germinating. Phytic acid, if not neutralized,

inhibits

absorption of minerals and iron by the intestines, thus, imo,

contributes to

anemia.

You have the right idea by focusing on pasture-fed animals - the idea

behind

that is to consume meat/dairy that hasn't been fed corn/soy. HTH.

Sharon, NH

On 5/10/06, April <allhaul@...> wrote:

>

> Anyway I was referred to Weston Price by a former vegetarian who told

> me (a former vegetarian)that eating that way has been the cause of

> health issues I am dealing with. To name a couple for now it would be

> anemia and hypoglycemia. I'm not ready to bite into a steak yet. I

> haven't done that in about 20 years. But in the mean time I have been

> more diligently eating salmon, eggs and tuna.

>

May 12, 2006

Hah! Just a slip of the brain. Chickens are next on the list to your

fall back to real food. You're doing a great job, especially getting rid

of that soy. Look on this site for how to find raw milk in your area.

http://www.realmilk.com/ And yes, you need to drink real milk, but only

grass-fed real milk. Granted, some don't " do " milk, but kefir goat milk has

been a tremendous blessing to our family. By the way, I just now took a

look at one of your other posts and I see you're in CA. Isn't raw milk

legal there?? You should be able to buy it right off your store shelf.

When we first began raw milk, we started with Jersey milk. Now we're really

addicted and in love with raw goat milk. Your land might not allow a cow to

stand straight on all fours, but I'd bet there are some great goat or sheep

that would thrive on your land. Sheep milk, btw, is even healthier than

goat milk. Goat milk is healthier than cow, if you were curious about the

nutrition order.

Sharon, NH

On 5/11/06, Family <allhaul@...> wrote:

>

> Did I really say chickens? I meant to say eggs! I was sitting out in the

> sun with the lap top. I guess the sun was getting to my brain!

> April

>

> RE: New Here

>

> Hi Sharon

> I have been eating free range chickens ever since I found them in the

> stores. What I don't know how to find is the raw milk. There is

> homogenized milk available from grass fed cows. I saw it in the store

> yesterday but it's homogenized. Don't I need to find the raw stuff? So,

> I didn't buy it while still unsure. In the mean time I have two

> containers of soy milk to pour down the drain. I had thought I was doing

> something good for my body drinking all that soy milk. Even that will be

> a change, adapting to the taste of real milk. So, in my introduction

> when I said I haven't been eating processed food, I had not considered

> that soy was processed. So, I was wrong. I look forward to how much

> better I should feel when getting the soy out of my diet.

> April

>

May 12, 2006

> By the way, I just now took a

>look at one of your other posts and I see you're in CA. Isn't raw milk

>legal there?? You should be able to buy it right off your store shelf.

Yes, it's legal here, but that doesn't mean we can just walk into any

grocery store and get it. I guess the big retailers are too scared of

supposed liability issues, or whatever. Anyway, from what I understand,

there is next to no raw milk available from the farm in Northern

California, according to the eat wild and raw milk websites. However,

April, you might want to look at the website of Organic Paastures; they are

down in Fresno and deliver all over the state (to two small cities here in

my area!), and growing all the time, so they might deliver to a hfs which

you can get to. And if not, talk to the manager about getting OP to add

them to their route. I must warn that their products are expensive (almost

fourteen dollars a gallon for milk, eleven dollars for a pound of butter),

but I'm thankful to have them as an option because my only other one

is...no raw dairy at all!

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Canfield

~Well done is better than well said.~

" For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. " Romans

10:13

May 12, 2006

Thank you so much for the advice and link. I went there and found there

is a Weston Price group based in Sacramento with advice to find

local raw dairy.

April

RE: New Here

>

> Hi Sharon

> I have been eating free range chickens ever since I found them in the

> stores. What I don't know how to find is the raw milk. There is

> homogenized milk available from grass fed cows. I saw it in the store

> yesterday but it's homogenized. Don't I need to find the raw stuff?

So,

> I didn't buy it while still unsure. In the mean time I have two

> containers of soy milk to pour down the drain. I had thought I was

doing

> something good for my body drinking all that soy milk. Even that will

be

> a change, adapting to the taste of real milk. So, in my introduction

> when I said I haven't been eating processed food, I had not considered

> that soy was processed. So, I was wrong. I look forward to how much

> better I should feel when getting the soy out of my diet.

> April

>

May 12, 2006

Ok I'll look into the soaking of grains. I eat whole wheat bread but

other than that I haven't been having grains. I wonder if I could buy

the bread with the grains having been soaked.

April

Re: New Here

April,

Do you have a copy of " Nourishing Traditions " ? That will give you the

basics and more. If you're anemic, one of the first things you want to

consider is how you prepare your grains/rice/seeds/nuts. They should

be

soaked in order to neutralize the phytic acid which naturally occurs on

them

to keep them from germinating. Phytic acid, if not neutralized,

inhibits

absorption of minerals and iron by the intestines, thus, imo,

contributes to

anemia.

You have the right idea by focusing on pasture-fed animals - the idea

behind

that is to consume meat/dairy that hasn't been fed corn/soy. HTH.

Sharon, NH

On 5/10/06, April <allhaul@...> wrote:

>

> Anyway I was referred to Weston Price by a former vegetarian who told

> me (a former vegetarian)that eating that way has been the cause of

> health issues I am dealing with. To name a couple for now it would be

> anemia and hypoglycemia. I'm not ready to bite into a steak yet. I

> haven't done that in about 20 years. But in the mean time I have been

> more diligently eating salmon, eggs and tuna.

>

May 12, 2006

I'm sure I'll get some answers when I get the book Nourishing

Traditions. A question just popped in my head before I head to bed

though. What about vitamin D? If the milk is not homogenized then that

means it doesn't have it right? So, do we need to make sure we consume D

rich foods at the same time to make sure we're absorbing the calcium or

something? I actually thought of it while drinking some soy milk I

haven't thrown out yet. I drink it every night. It coats my stomach for

some herbs I take. I will get the raw milk and then throw out the soy.

Also, I'm remembering my childhood all of a sudden and remembering we

had whole milk and I loved drinking milk. I think it's the media that

really brainwashed me and turned me against it. Of course we all

probably have heard the same things like it causes mucus and it's only

for cows not humans. I had done my own test a few years ago on the mucus

theory. I went completely vegan for one year to see if my sinus problem

went away. It didn't. I decided then that if it didn't solve that

problem and I was feeling depleted without dairy then I should just

start having dairy again. I got used the soy for the milk and was proud

of myself but did not give up cheese or butter and recently had added

full fat yogurt. I gave up margarine probably 10 years ago. So, I think

I've been headed in this direction but needed some scientific evidence

that it's the way to go.

April

RE: New Here

>

> Hi Sharon

> I have been eating free range chickens ever since I found them in the

> stores. What I don't know how to find is the raw milk. There is

> homogenized milk available from grass fed cows. I saw it in the store

> yesterday but it's homogenized. Don't I need to find the raw stuff?

So,

> I didn't buy it while still unsure. In the mean time I have two

> containers of soy milk to pour down the drain. I had thought I was

doing

> something good for my body drinking all that soy milk. Even that will

be

> a change, adapting to the taste of real milk. So, in my introduction

> when I said I haven't been eating processed food, I had not considered

> that soy was processed. So, I was wrong. I look forward to how much

> better I should feel when getting the soy out of my diet.

> April

>

May 12, 2006

--- In , " Family " <allhaul@...>

wrote:

I'm actually in a very rural area in Northern CA. I

> wonder if there would be such thing as a Dairy where I could get the

> milk. I checked the grocery store and there was organic milk but not

> raw.

~~~Try the WAPF chapter leaders list for a local or semi-local chapter

leader for your area.

http://www.westonaprice.org/localchapters/locallist.html#ca

They should be able to direct you to sources of raw dairy, pastured

eggs, organic produce, etc.

Rhonda

just north of you in Southern Oregon

May 12, 2006

April,

If you are thinking that you need Vitamin D, then go stand in the sun for a

while. :-) That would be the most natural source of Vitamin D.

Curiosity... Why do you feel a need to " coat your stomach for some herbs you

take " ?

Pasteurized milk does cause mucous... raw cow's milk only causes mucous in

people who have an allergy to the cow's milk (or perhaps to what the cow

ate), and usually switching to goat's, or sheep's milk clears that up... but

not always.

The most mucousy causing food is actually grain... soaked or not. If you are

mucousy and your sinuses are swollen/stuffed up, and you have circles

(bags) under your eyes, you can be pretty sure that you have an

allergy/intolerance to grain (or at least gluten).

I hope that gives you some direction to think along!

Have a fantastic day!

On 5/11/06, Family <allhaul@...> wrote:

>

> I'm sure I'll get some answers when I get the book Nourishing

> Traditions. A question just popped in my head before I head to bed

> though. What about vitamin D? If the milk is not homogenized then that

> means it doesn't have it right? So, do we need to make sure we consume D

> rich foods at the same time to make sure we're absorbing the calcium or

> something? I actually thought of it while drinking some soy milk I

> haven't thrown out yet. I drink it every night. It coats my stomach for

> some herbs I take. I will get the raw milk and then throw out the soy.

> Also, I'm remembering my childhood all of a sudden and remembering we

> had whole milk and I loved drinking milk. I think it's the media that

> really brainwashed me and turned me against it. Of course we all

> probably have heard the same things like it causes mucus and it's only

> for cows not humans. I had done my own test a few years ago on the mucus

> theory. I went completely vegan for one year to see if my sinus problem

> went away. It didn't. I decided then that if it didn't solve that

> problem and I was feeling depleted without dairy then I should just

> start having dairy again. I got used the soy for the milk and was proud

> of myself but did not give up cheese or butter and recently had added

> full fat yogurt. I gave up margarine probably 10 years ago. So, I think

> I've been headed in this direction but needed some scientific evidence

> that it's the way to go.

>

> April

>

May 12, 2006

You can explore the www.westonaprice.org site for a while, there is

a lot there. One of the things is the campaign for Real Milk, which

will connect you with local dairies that sell raw milk. It sounds

like there is some chain in CA that sells bad raw milk, I've heard

several people complain, so if you get some and don't like it,

that's probably the one, don't give up. We get raw milk here in PA

and it is really wonderful!

Goats are great for hilly areas, and you'd need two because just one

would get lonely and after a while lose it's mind. But if your

husband wouldn't like chickens, a goat is probably a baaaaad idea...

>

> I will read up on the Broth is Beautiful website. Since buying a

book at

> this moment is not on my budget I am thinking of checking out the

> library. Would you suggest the Weston A. Price or the other one I

saw

> Nourishing Traditions? I did see on the website the thumbs up on

books

> but would like to hear people's personal preference here.

> I think having your own chickens running around sounds great. I am

> curious how to get the raw dairy in my area. We have Trader Joes

about a

> half hour away. I'm actually in a very rural area in Northern CA. I

> wonder if there would be such thing as a Dairy where I could get

the

> milk. I checked the grocery store and there was organic milk but

not

> raw. Makes me want a cow too. Even though we live on 2 acres of

land,

> it's all sloped. A cow would not get to stand straight at any time

on

> our property. That doesn't sound very comfortable for a cow. My

husband

> would just not understand if I told him I wanted to sell and buy

level

> land so that we could have a cow. Last year we bought a juicer

when I

> got into trying to go raw vegan which didn't last very long. I

know he

> would just stare at me with disbelief if I talked about getting a

cow

> and chickens.

> So, for now I better find a source. What has everyone in this

group

> found as far as raw milk products?

> April

>

May 12, 2006

Hi

I take some herbs that help my intestines do what they are supposed to

but haven't in 20 years on their own. The herbs have cayenne pepper

which I totally feel in my stomach and it feels better to have milk in

my stomach when I take them at night.

I have gone on no gluten or wheat in the past for at least 30 day

stretches. The sinus problem did not go away. At that time I was not

consuming any milk product and was eating bread made out of rice flour

and waffles made out of rice flour. I have come to think I am allergic

to something in the air. I could give the no grain test again. I love

bread so that is going to be hard to do. About 15 years ago when I

started getting dark circles under my eyes and a stuffy nose I started

doing allergy tests by taking things out of my diet. I could not figure

out what it was. I lived in Southern Ca for 20 years and my sinus

problem was actually worse there. It improved quite a bit after moving

up north. I still have active sinus situation but at least I don't spend

99 percent of the time stuffed up to the point of pain behind the eyes.

It was like that while living down South.

Thanks for any ideas and suggestions. I appreciate other points of view

and experience.

April

Re: New Here

April,

If you are thinking that you need Vitamin D, then go stand in the sun

for a

while. :-) That would be the most natural source of Vitamin D.

Curiosity... Why do you feel a need to " coat your stomach for some herbs

you

take " ?

Pasteurized milk does cause mucous... raw cow's milk only causes mucous

in

people who have an allergy to the cow's milk (or perhaps to what the cow

ate), and usually switching to goat's, or sheep's milk clears that up...

but

not always.

The most mucousy causing food is actually grain... soaked or not. If you

are

mucousy and your sinuses are swollen/stuffed up, and you have circles

(bags) under your eyes, you can be pretty sure that you have an

allergy/intolerance to grain (or at least gluten).

I hope that gives you some direction to think along!

Have a fantastic day!

On 5/11/06, Family <allhaul@...> wrote:

>

> I'm sure I'll get some answers when I get the book Nourishing

> Traditions. A question just popped in my head before I head to bed

> though. What about vitamin D? If the milk is not homogenized then that

> means it doesn't have it right? So, do we need to make sure we consume

D

> rich foods at the same time to make sure we're absorbing the calcium

or

> something? I actually thought of it while drinking some soy milk I

> haven't thrown out yet. I drink it every night. It coats my stomach

for

> some herbs I take. I will get the raw milk and then throw out the soy.

> Also, I'm remembering my childhood all of a sudden and remembering we

> had whole milk and I loved drinking milk. I think it's the media that

> really brainwashed me and turned me against it. Of course we all

> probably have heard the same things like it causes mucus and it's only

> for cows not humans. I had done my own test a few years ago on the

mucus

> theory. I went completely vegan for one year to see if my sinus

problem

> went away. It didn't. I decided then that if it didn't solve that

> problem and I was feeling depleted without dairy then I should just

> start having dairy again. I got used the soy for the milk and was

proud

> of myself but did not give up cheese or butter and recently had added

> full fat yogurt. I gave up margarine probably 10 years ago. So, I

think

> I've been headed in this direction but needed some scientific evidence

> that it's the way to go.

>

> April

>

May 12, 2006

>>>Of course we all

probably have heard the same things like it causes mucus and it's only

for cows not humans.<<<<<<<<

--------The raw unpasturized milk doesn't seem to cause the mucus problems

that pasteurized does...ct

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May 12, 2006

---->you can also get vit D from cod liver oil. you don't need the vit d they

add to the processed milk at the grocery store. ct

April,

If you are thinking that you need Vitamin D, then go stand in the sun for a

while. :-) That would be the most natural source of Vitamin D.

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May 12, 2006

Hi, I find that the Nourishing Traditions book is much more readable and chock

full of great info and recipes. Dr. Price's book, although interesting, doesn't

give you info you can use on a day-to-day basis for getting started. But it

does give great info on *why* a nutrient dense diet is best.

I agree that browsing through www.westonaprice.org will give you tons of info

- a great resource.

Lynda

haecklers <haecklers@...> wrote:

>

> . Since buying a

book at

> this moment is not on my budget I am thinking of checking out the

> library. Would you suggest the Weston A. Price or the other one I

saw

> Nourishing Traditions?

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I live in the San Francisco Bay area and have never heard of " bad " raw milk

here. We have Organic Pastures (mixed herd and sold in plastic bottles) and

Claravale (from Jersey cows and sold in glass).

OP claims that the plastic is of a very high food quality and does not leach.

Very few stores carry them. I use both as it depends upon what is available -

they run out quickly. I like the fact that OP cows are always pastured - the

milking barn goes to them. Claravale I like because it comes in glass and is a

richer milk.

Family <allhaul@...> wrote:

I joined a Sacramento Weston Price group and I'm sure they'll be able

to tell me where the good and the bad milk is.

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I am glad to hear that. I'll be putting it to the test soon as I find

it.

Thanks,

April

Re: New Here

>>>Of course we all

probably have heard the same things like it causes mucus and it's only

for cows not humans.<<<<<<<<

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The book written by Weston A. Price is the research he did and NT is like

you said, more of a practical application and foods, etc. from Traditional

cultures and how to prepare them. If you can't afford both then NT is much

more practical to buy.

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Re: Re: New Here

Hi, I find that the Nourishing Traditions book is much more readable and

chock full of great info and recipes. Dr. Price's book, although

interesting, doesn't give you info you can use on a day-to-day basis for

getting started. But it does give great info on *why* a nutrient dense diet

is best.

I agree that browsing through www.westonaprice.org will give you tons of

info - a great resource.

Lynda

haecklers <haecklers@...> wrote:

>

> . Since buying a

book at

> this moment is not on my budget I am thinking of checking out the

> library. Would you suggest the Weston A. Price or the other one I

saw

> Nourishing Traditions?

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December 26, 2006

Hi,

I noticed problems starting about a week after getting implants.

First I had digestive problems, heart burn, anxiety, fatigue, then

came the lymph node swelling and pain, then a vein in my finger bulged

and burst (never happened before), and at about a month post implant

my joints started swelling. I started getting muscle aches than ran

up my arms, and then the following week my legs would have intense

muscle cramps (again, never happened in my life). Next came the numb

fingers and toes, bone pain, followed by a daily headache in my

temple, dizziness, high blood pressure (which dropped within a month

of explant), brain fog, neck pain, humming in my ear, weight loss,

blurry vision. I had about enough and had them removed after 6

months. I'm feeling much better - still not perfect but the numb

fingers and toes are gone, the joint swelling is much better but still

comes to visit occasionally, and my vision has improved. The

headaches left after about 3 months post explant. I haven't had those

awful muscle aches in a while, probably about 9 months.

I take a probiotic called Culturelle on a daily basis, and I also

drink Kefir smoothies by a company called " Lifeway " . I avoid sugar,

except on the occasional holiday when I allow myself something sweet.

Otherwise, I use Stevia in my coffee, and I eat cereal sweetened with

fruit juice.

Sis

At about

> > i was wondering when everyone started showing symptoms that

> something

> > was wrong? i have had my saline implants for over a yr now

>

December 27, 2006

Implanting surgeons seldom treat a woman right. . . Otherwise they would remove implants correctly - which would imply admission that they have some fault . . .apparently it's more comfortable to remove them badly, then say it wasn't the implants after all. Rogenennnttwilliams <nnnttwilliams@...> wrote: Hi, new here. I have had saline implants for two years with bl and already had three revisions. I have been sick almost the whole time but every time I

asked the drs about my implants they said they have nothing to do with what I now have - chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia. I have been so sick lately and now my implants are burning on and off- gee sounds like it could be the implants making me sick. It is almost like I woke up and realized these are the cause. I am going next week to the original dr and asking to get them out. Any advice welcomed!

December 27, 2006

You sound just like I was.. I just was explanted 9/12/06 and I hadn't had my implants quit 3 years and I got sick about 2 weeks after getting them....stabbing pains, burning...you name it.

December 27, 2006

Hi,

Often we do not advise having the original doctor

remove implants. Where are you? We have some

great docs who remove implants properly,

including the entire scar capsule, so that you

have a good chance of a complete recovery.

Your symptoms are textbook what we hear from

women with problems from their implants.

Anything we can do to help, just ask.

May not be too many women around for a day or two, being Christmas season.

Lynda

At 07:15 PM 12/26/2006, you wrote:

>Hi, new here. I have had saline implants for two years with bl and

>already had three revisions. I have been sick almost the whole time

>but every time I asked the drs about my implants they said they have

>nothing to do with what I now have - chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia. I

>have been so sick lately and now my implants are burning on and off-

>gee sounds like it could be the implants making me sick. It is almost

>like I woke up and realized these are the cause. I am going next week

>to the original dr and asking to get them out. Any advice welcomed!

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December 28, 2006

Hi, this is Maritza, please tell me how i can get culturelle and the kefir how canI detox, I have been taking a lot of sugar because the anxioty that am not getting any better, did not know that sugar was bad.. please help me give me some advise beacuse ever since my explant 3 weeks after all my symptoms came back, worse than ever. I have this stabbing pain in my shoulder bladde numbness in my legs and toes and fingers my neck pain comes and goes, but the new one now is my head also having tenderness in my scalp and pain told my Dr. and she said it's muscle spasm thats affecting you your neck and your head. so please help me I really want to feel pain free, now I feel like an old lady. thank Maritzaauntsisnj <auntsisnj@...> wrote: Hi,I noticed problems starting about a week after getting implants. First I had digestive problems, heart burn, anxiety, fatigue, then came the lymph node swelling and pain, then a vein in my finger bulged and burst (never happened before), and at about a month post implant my joints started swelling. I started getting muscle aches than ran up my arms, and then the following week my legs would have intense muscle cramps (again, never happened in my life). Next came the numb fingers and toes, bone pain, followed by a daily headache in my temple, dizziness, high blood pressure (which dropped within a month of explant), brain fog, neck pain, humming in my ear, weight loss, blurry vision. I had about

enough and had them removed after 6 months. I'm feeling much better - still not perfect but the numb fingers and toes are gone, the joint swelling is much better but still comes to visit occasionally, and my vision has improved. The headaches left after about 3 months post explant. I haven't had those awful muscle aches in a while, probably about 9 months. I take a probiotic called Culturelle on a daily basis, and I also drink Kefir smoothies by a company called "Lifeway". I avoid sugar, except on the occasional holiday when I allow myself something sweet. Otherwise, I use Stevia in my coffee, and I eat cereal sweetened with fruit juice.Sis At about > > i was wondering when everyone started showing symptoms that > something > > was wrong? i have had my saline implants for over a yr now> __________________________________________________

December 28, 2006

I also had the exact symptoms as you both. In total there was 33 symptoms when I had finally had Dr. Kolb remove them. According to Dr. Blais he claims that around 50% of all breast implants (saline) have defective valves, they have a slow leak. I look back and it amazes me how they can continue to let this happen without warning women. Please get the implants out en-bloc procedure, drains and with a good explant doctor. It is the best money you will ever spend getting them out of you. It sounds so familar to me and I did find the truth out regarding what was wrong. I had symptoms shortly after getting implants I remember as early as three weeks post op. I know that the valves were defective and the valve had the wrong dimension, it didn't even match the orifice. Scary and the original PS and tons of doctors will give you the run around, basically tell you that you are self diagnoising and nuts. You know your body and feel something is wrong don't listen to them and follow your gut instincts. I wish I had at 3 weeks post-op and not listened to my PS. He did leave me for dead and failed to ever tell me the truth that this does happen. I don't know if he knew the truth and that is why he laughed at me when I came to revisit him numerous times or he didn't know. That is a mystery and I will never know the truth regarding that, however Dr. Kolb found the true answers for me and it makes me feel good that I am no longer thought of as nuts. God Bless!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Donna

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