Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Ron, When I fax over a prescription to a physician with a PT dx,the treatment, frequency, and duration written on it, I am in essence providing direct access because I am the expert in clinical decision making for musculoskeletal and neurological impairments in physical therapy. Last time I checked, my physician did not graduate from an accredited PT program. I do not pretend to know what a doctor's job is and I don't think that most physicians know what a therapists job is. You even wrote that most MD's don't know what the scope of practice is for OT's. So how can it make you feel " better " that a physician is " supervising " or " agreeing " with your treatment plan? Therapists have been practicing autonomy (or without MD direction) for years. It's called calling the doctor's office and specifically telling them what you want your script to read or what treatment you want to perform for your pt. As long as you can have that intellectual conversation with the physician, they will agree with you. I am thrilled that Ohio now has direct access. Hopefully, it will evolve into truly changing our practice and role in the health care community. Botkin, MPT, PT > > When one speaks of 'direct accesss' there are really two concepts: > > (1) Consumer direct access and (2) Medicare direct access > > CONSUMER DIRECT ACCESS: implies that consumers can legally access > therapy services without the need for a physicians' referral. Typically, > this occurs at the State level and is worded in a profession's practice > act. In states with consumer direct access, a client can simply walk-in > off the street and receive therapy services. These client's are almost > always 100% self-pay because third party insurance does not recognize > this type of therapy as medically necessary because it is not ordered by > a physician > > MEDICARE DIRECT ACCESS: implies consumer direct access that may be > recognized as medically necessary and thus may be reimbursable. Medicare > direct access will occur at the National level and be administered > regionally by Medicare's fiscal intermediaries. > > In Florida, as in many states, OT has consumer direct access. I am not > sure about PT in other states, but I believe in FL., PT's have consumer > direct access and can legally provide a certain number of visits without > a physician referral. > > To my knowledge no therapy services currently have Medicare direct > access. > > I provide the above because I wish to hear reader's comments on the > merits and drawback of direct access- both consumer and Medicare types > of access: > > For one, I do not believe that eliminating physician referrals, for any > reason, is a good idea. In general, physicians have a more complete > picture of client's medical history than any one single profession. > Because the patient's medical record should be the central repository > for all medical information, a referring practitioner should have easy > access to many different types of medical information. Educationally, a > physician is better trained and experienced to manage the myriad of > needs that some compromised patients experience. Hopefully, referring > physicians also include therapy services documentation as part of their > overall decision making process regarding patient care, however, my > experience with this is less than positive. > > Of course, the reality is that for the most part, physicians are not > innately involved in therapy care, especially as it relates to > occupational therapy. Typically, I fax my plans of care and they are > signed by the doctor and then returned. I imagine that most doctor's > never read nor understand my plans. I know that most physician's don't > even no what an OT does. So, in reality, nothing will really be lost by > going to direct access. > > I have treated a few clients without physician involvement , but I feel > 'better' having physician oversight for my treatment. Maybe it's just my > inexperience as a practitioner or liability concerns, but I am a little > unsure about not having a line of protection. > > So, I am undecided on direct access in general. What do YOU feel about > the merits and drawbacks of direct access. > > Thanks, > > Ron Carson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Hello : You ask a good question to which I have no good answer. I just know that it does. However, I have a sense that in the near future, because of conversations like this, that I will feel differently about direct access. Ron ===============<Original Message>=============== On 12/8/2004, rbotkin@... said: v> So how can it make you feel " better " that a v> physician is " supervising " or " agreeing " with your treatment plan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Hi Ron, I wish to address the specific statement below Your comments: I have treated a few clients without physician involvement , but I feel 'better' having physician oversight for my treatment. Maybe it's just my inexperience as a practitioner or liability concerns, but I am a little unsure about not having a line of protection. My Response: I believe that we as therapists need to step up to the plate on the issue of our professional responsiblity. Far too many therapists, and particularly those providing care in institutional settings, want increased professional autonomy and independence from the constraints of physician oversite but are reluctant to accept the consequences of this. Those consequences are significant increases in responsibility and expectations of accountability in a free market system without being able to rely on the physician fall back. As a clinician well before I was an administrator I felt there were many cases that could have been effectively managed by me as a professional therapist without the need for physician management. Medically stable conditions such as traumatic brain injury, and repetitive strain injuries come quickly to mind. I could have provided the care at much less cost and much more efficiently than having to navigate the world of orders and authorizations. Conversely, there were cases that were referred to me that clearly required better medical management than was being provided at the time of intake. In Washington State we have a clause called " duty to refer " stating that when we observe an active pathology in a patient not receiving physician care, we have a duty to refer that patient to the appropriate medical practitioner. Failure to do this can result in disciplinary action from the state but more importantly can result in an adverse outcome for my patient. I am confident of my treatment skills and my abilities to produce a quality outcome in the patients I treat. I am equally confident that I can recognize when additional resources are needed. If we want to truly be recognized as professionals within the medical model we have to have the confidence and courage to step up and take the responsiblity that comes with that. I believe those clinicians who are successful in private practice do this on a regular basis and I support their efforts towards direct access. I just wish I could see the rest of our colleagues somehow step up, stop thinking of ourselves as 9-5 employees and take our place in medicine, with the benefits and the risks. Redge L MS OTR/L Director of Rehabilitation Services on Hospital Bremerton, WA 98310 Administrative Assistant: Wanda Kotte: wandakotte@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 I would like to add one more comment to those made by Redge; any licensed professional who thinks that " physician oversight " offers any liability protection, is sorely mistaken. If that were the case, PTs would never be sued, let alone lose those suits, since " oversight " exists the vast majority of the time. Aegis is a nonexistent when you yourself are regulated. Ken Mailly, PT Mailly & Inglett Consulting, LLC Tel. 973 692-0033 Fax 973 633-9557 68 Seneca Trail Wayne, NJ, 07470 www.NJPTAid.biz Bridging the Gap! Re: Merits of Direct Access Hi Ron, I wish to address the specific statement below Your comments: I have treated a few clients without physician involvement , but I feel 'better' having physician oversight for my treatment. Maybe it's just my inexperience as a practitioner or liability concerns, but I am a little unsure about not having a line of protection. My Response: I believe that we as therapists need to step up to the plate on the issue of our professional responsiblity. Far too many therapists, and particularly those providing care in institutional settings, want increased professional autonomy and independence from the constraints of physician oversite but are reluctant to accept the consequences of this. Those consequences are significant increases in responsibility and expectations of accountability in a free market system without being able to rely on the physician fall back. As a clinician well before I was an administrator I felt there were many cases that could have been effectively managed by me as a professional therapist without the need for physician management. Medically stable conditions such as traumatic brain injury, and repetitive strain injuries come quickly to mind. I could have provided the care at much less cost and much more efficiently than having to navigate the world of orders and authorizations. Conversely, there were cases that were referred to me that clearly required better medical management than was being provided at the time of intake. In Washington State we have a clause called " duty to refer " stating that when we observe an active pathology in a patient not receiving physician care, we have a duty to refer that patient to the appropriate medical practitioner. Failure to do this can result in disciplinary action from the state but more importantly can result in an adverse outcome for my patient. I am confident of my treatment skills and my abilities to produce a quality outcome in the patients I treat. I am equally confident that I can recognize when additional resources are needed. If we want to truly be recognized as professionals within the medical model we have to have the confidence and courage to step up and take the responsiblity that comes with that. I believe those clinicians who are successful in private practice do this on a regular basis and I support their efforts towards direct access. I just wish I could see the rest of our colleagues somehow step up, stop thinking of ourselves as 9-5 employees and take our place in medicine, with the benefits and the risks. Redge L MS OTR/L Director of Rehabilitation Services on Hospital Bremerton, WA 98310 Administrative Assistant: Wanda Kotte: wandakotte@... Looking to start your own Practice? Visit www.InHomeRehab.com. Bring PTManager to your organization or State Association with a professional workshop or course - call us at 313 884-8920 to arrange PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. Join and participate now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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