Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 No. You go into a hyperbaric oxygen chamber. They were originally decompression sickness. Caryn > > > > > > > > Hello Listmates, > > > > > > > > How much approximately does HBOT treatment cost? Is there a > > minimum > > > > age limit for the treatment? Has anybody found success with it? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Maya > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 You are going into hyperbaric chamber for a set length of time (1 hour to 90 minutes) They are called dives because the chamber is pressurized like you are so many feet under water. Dana Arias wrote: > Do you actually dive into a pool or something? > On Nov 26, 2008, at 11:28 PM, rana dwedari wrote: >> We did 40 dives for my son when he was 6,we saw no results at >> all.the cost was 125 per dive it was a waste of money >> >> >> >> From: ronnimike < HISSPECIALTOUCH@ AOL.COM > >> Subject: [ ] Re: HBOT >> >> Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 8:00 PM >> >> Caryn, could you tell me please where you are doing your hbot >> treatments.. ..I am hearing $140 per dive in my area. >> Thanks >> Ronni >> > >> > 40 hard chamber dives at a good rate is about $4,000, give or take. >> > >> > >> > > >> > > Hello Listmates, >> > > >> > > How much approximately does HBOT treatment cost? Is there a >> minimum >> > > age limit for the treatment? Has anybody found success with it? >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > Maya >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 You can google HBOT or go to oxyhealth.com website and it will show you a picture of a chamber. Like the other mom said, it is called a dive, because they compare it to scuba diving, where it is pressurized when you go inside. you can do the dive with or without 100% oxygen, with a hood of mask. you go in for a minimum of 1 hour per dive and the pressure varies from 1.3 to 1.5 if the diagnosis is autism. The doctors do not recommend beyond 1.5 for pressure. We've done hard chambers with 100% oxygen and we now use a soft chamber where we use oxygen concentrator. >> >> From: ronnimike < HISSPECIALTOUCH@ AOL.COM > >> Subject: [ ] Re: HBOT >> >> Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 8:00 PM >> >> Caryn, could you tell me please where you are doing your hbot >> treatments.. ..I am hearing $140 per dive in my area. >> Thanks >> Ronni >> > >> > 40 hard chamber dives at a good rate is about $4,000, give or take. >> > >> > >> > > >> > > Hello Listmates, >> > > >> > > How much approximately does HBOT treatment cost? Is there a >> minimum >> > > age limit for the treatment? Has anybody found success with it? >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > Maya >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 .....and is this suppose to help people that were deprived of oxygen or something.??? On Nov 27, 2008, at 7:20 PM, rosalie bernardo wrote: > > > You can google HBOT or go to oxyhealth.com website and it will show > you a picture of a chamber. Like the other mom said, it is called a > dive, because they compare it to scuba diving, where it is > pressurized when you go inside. you can do the dive with or without > 100% oxygen, with a hood of mask. you go in for a minimum of 1 hour > per dive and the pressure varies from 1.3 to 1.5 if the diagnosis > is autism. The doctors do not recommend beyond 1.5 for pressure. > > We've done hard chambers with 100% oxygen and we now use a soft > chamber where we use oxygen concentrator. > > > > > > >> > >> From: ronnimike < HISSPECIALTOUCH@ AOL.COM > > >> Subject: [ ] Re: HBOT > >> > >> Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 8:00 PM > >> > >> Caryn, could you tell me please where you are doing your hbot > >> treatments.. ..I am hearing $140 per dive in my area. > >> Thanks > >> Ronni > >> > > >> > 40 hard chamber dives at a good rate is about $4,000, give or > take. > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > Hello Listmates, > >> > > > >> > > How much approximately does HBOT treatment cost? Is there a > >> minimum > >> > > age limit for the treatment? Has anybody found success with it? > >> > > > >> > > Thanks, > >> > > Maya > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 No, that's just what they call it when you get into the tank. Maybe because the tank looks like a submarine! For a hard chamber dive, you go to an office or medical center and get into a big steel tank. They seal you in, pressurize it and pump in oxygen. For a soft chamber dive, you get in a big vinyl tube (something like that). You get zipped in and pressurized. Either way, it's not for the claustrophobic. Maggie d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 It causes an increase in the oxygen available to cells. This is useful for oxygen deprivation AND MANY OTHER THINGS. Could you please read about it more and THEN ask more questions?.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HBOT > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Has it worked for many people? and is it for kids that were deprived oxygen at birth? Sorry about all the questions... I have to read up on it. On Nov 27, 2008, at 8:42 PM, Maggie da Silva wrote: > No, that's just what they call it when you get into the tank. Maybe > because the tank looks > like a submarine! For a hard chamber dive, you go to an office or > medical center and get into > a big steel tank. They seal you in, pressurize it and pump in > oxygen. For a soft chamber dive, > you get in a big vinyl tube (something like that). You get zipped > in and pressurized. Either > way, it's not for the claustrophobic. Maggie d. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 yes On Nov 27, 2008, at 9:16 PM, moriamerri wrote: > It causes an increase in the oxygen available to cells. > This is useful for oxygen deprivation AND MANY OTHER THINGS. > Could you please read about it more and THEN ask more questions?.... > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HBOT > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Yes. When you increase pressure, the oxygen molecules actually shrink, so that at 1 ATM (equal to 33 ft below sea level) of pressure you can get 2xs the amount of oxygen into the same amount of space (your body.) Also consider that in a many chambers you are getting 100% oxygen vs air which is just about 20% oxygen. So at 1 ATM of pressure, 100% oxygen is giving your body 10 times the oxygen it is typically receiving. Most protocols call for greater pressures than that (1.3 - 2.7 ATMs), I was just using this example for easy math. Caryn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 But, if the diagnosis is Autism, it is not advisable to go above 1.5. Most doctors and clinic go to a max of 1.5, many prefers 1.3. There's a study on this from Dr. Rossignol et al. From: Caryn_Reid <caryn_reid@...> Subject: [ ] Re: HBOT Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 7:53 AM Yes. When you increase pressure, the oxygen molecules actually shrink, so that at 1 ATM (equal to 33 ft below sea level) of pressure you can get 2xs the amount of oxygen into the same amount of space (your body.) Also consider that in a many chambers you are getting 100% oxygen vs air which is just about 20% oxygen. So at 1 ATM of pressure, 100% oxygen is giving your body 10 times the oxygen it is typically receiving. Most protocols call for greater pressures than that (1.3 - 2.7 ATMs), I was just using this example for easy math. Caryn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 This is not the case in most instances. Some of these kids need higher pressure to help with bacteria, viruses, yeast, and ESPECIALLY if there is a diagnosis of Lyme. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of rosalie bernardo Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: HBOT But, if the diagnosis is Autism, it is not advisable to go above 1.5. Most doctors and clinic go to a max of 1.5, many prefers 1.3. There's a study on this from Dr. Rossignol et al. From: Caryn_Reid <caryn_reid (DOT) <mailto:caryn_reid%40> com> Subject: [ ] Re: HBOT @ <mailto: %40> Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 7:53 AM Yes. When you increase pressure, the oxygen molecules actually shrink, so that at 1 ATM (equal to 33 ft below sea level) of pressure you can get 2xs the amount of oxygen into the same amount of space (your body.) Also consider that in a many chambers you are getting 100% oxygen vs air which is just about 20% oxygen. So at 1 ATM of pressure, 100% oxygen is giving your body 10 times the oxygen it is typically receiving. Most protocols call for greater pressures than that (1.3 - 2.7 ATMs), I was just using this example for easy math. Caryn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 Hi, - You might join this group as a start, and read the files: HDOTherapyforAutism/ We had mixed results with HBOT and it is darned expensive. Maggie d. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 ----- Original Message ----- From: Elena Is it safe to say that my son's yeast is NOT going away because he is high in mercury, lead, aluminum, arsenic, alcohol, and PCBs??? If so, I am considering HBOT to help *manage* his yeast a little more for him (3 y.o., ASD). Will HBOT help him secrete some of the heavy metals too? ===>No, and hbot should not be used with mercury toxic kids. Thanks! -- Elena Proud Mom of Zachary http://www.faitheforzachary.blogspot.com " Success is peace of mind which is a direct result of self-satisfaction in knowing you did your best to become the best that you are capable of becoming. " R. Wooden, Head Basketball Coach, Emeritus, UCLA (1948-1975) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 HBOT has done a lot to help with my son (4 yo ASD). However, it will not help with yeast. In fact, if you do not have a strong yeast protocol on board while doing hbot,it might make yeast problems worse.... > > Is it safe to say that my son's yeast is NOT going away because he is high > in mercury, lead, aluminum, arsenic, alcohol, and PCBs??? If so, I am > considering HBOT to help *manage* his yeast a little more for him (3 y.o., > ASD). Will HBOT help him secrete some of the heavy metals too? > > Thanks! > > -- > Elena > Proud Mom of Zachary > > http://www.faitheforzachary.blogspot.com > > " Success is peace of mind which is a direct result of self-satisfaction in > knowing you did your best to become the best that you are capable of > becoming. " > R. Wooden, Head Basketball Coach, Emeritus, UCLA (1948-1975) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 Elena, HBOT at a higher pressure WILL help with yeast issues. I see this first hand in my clinic all of the time. It also WILL help with secreting heavy metals. We have metal toxic children coming in on a daily basis who have never chelated and are doing GREAT. One of these includes my own daughter. HBOT in a mild chamber, or hard chamber, at a low pressure, can make yeast worse. If you want to search for a clinic with hard chambers using 100% oxygen, you can find one near you at www.hbotproviders.com <http://www.hbotproviders.com/> . Take Care, _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Elena Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 12:09 AM Subject: [ ] HBOT Is it safe to say that my son's yeast is NOT going away because he is high in mercury, lead, aluminum, arsenic, alcohol, and PCBs??? If so, I am considering HBOT to help *manage* his yeast a little more for him (3 y.o., ASD). Will HBOT help him secrete some of the heavy metals too? Thanks! -- Elena Proud Mom of Zachary http://www.faithefo <http://www.faitheforzachary.blogspot.com> rzachary.blogspot.com " Success is peace of mind which is a direct result of self-satisfaction in knowing you did your best to become the best that you are capable of becoming. " R. Wooden, Head Basketball Coach, Emeritus, UCLA (1948-1975) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 HBOT is not a chelator. It is a means to supply extra oxygen to the brain and helps wipe out damaged brain cells. There are plenty of positive testamonials online regarding HBOT and autism. We plan on starting HBOT dives after round 20 or so. It can run anywhere from $80-$120 per dive. Yous should be able to negotiate 10-20% discounts on bulk dives of 20-40. From: laura_fow <laura_fow@...> Subject: [ ] Re: HBOT Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 8:09 AM HBOT has done a lot to help with my son (4 yo ASD). However, it will not help with yeast. In fact, if you do not have a strong yeast protocol on board while doing hbot,it might make yeast problems worse.... > > Is it safe to say that my son's yeast is NOT going away because he is high > in mercury, lead, aluminum, arsenic, alcohol, and PCBs??? If so, I am > considering HBOT to help *manage* his yeast a little more for him (3 y.o., > ASD). Will HBOT help him secrete some of the heavy metals too? > > Thanks! > > -- > Elena > Proud Mom of Zachary > > http://www.faithefo rzachary. blogspot. com > > " Success is peace of mind which is a direct result of self-satisfaction in > knowing you did your best to become the best that you are capable of > becoming. " > R. Wooden, Head Basketball Coach, Emeritus, UCLA (1948-1975) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 My DAN Doc says first hbot then chelation? Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Virgin Mobile. [ ] HBOT I totally agree with Elena you have to follow steps. First eliminate yeast and viruses, then when gut is healed you deal with chelation and then HBOT. I read once where a mother had HBOT therapy with her son to make sure it was going to be OK and she ended up getting really sick because it just sent the metals all over body. You must remove the metals first. Nora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Do NOT trust any doctor--DAN or what not--before doing your own research. Not that I think DANs know it all --or anybody at thsi point--they're all grasping at straws--but the first metals then HBOT is pretty well known even among DANs--my DAN said this also--even though she does NOT know safe chealtion and I am not following her protocol on that--but she's willing to work with me---anyway--please PLEASE read up, join lists, find out as much as you can. Th HBOT works for some kids but many--regress badly--and even those for whom it works at first can and do soemtimes regress---metals are unpredictable and if present--they MUST be removed before chealtion. All the oxygen in the world will NOT help the damaged brain if the metals are present and get further pushed in new areas. Please do not just trust one confused DAN on this. DANs have their own agenda soemtimes and it's not their kid--they can get bold and for some it may work--but safety first is what we should all strive for--no matter how desperate we are to hear our child say that first real word or take a first step--whatever the brain damage--safety first--things can get worse unfortunately if proper protocol is not followed and metals are at the core of all these metabolic disturbances and brain damage. Oxygen can help later--but not while the metals are present-Sure there are cases where it works--but it is bad protocol and it can always backfire. Many parents are more comfortable with HBOT because they say it's just oxygen. True--but if metals are present--just oxygen can cause a LOT of harm. Join other lists, learn more --do NOT play around with the metals--they are the one thing that cannot be undone if pushed too far. Chelation--when done safely-according to the half life of the chelating agent ALA/DMSA are known--is perfectly safe--low dose--minimum 3-5 days. The chealting agents themselves should not eb feared unless used inappropriately--it is not the chealtors that are dangerous but the metals coming out--too fast, too many--that is what is dangerous. The same for pushing metals around with HBOT and inappropriate herbal or wrong timing/dosage chealtion. This is most often the case of IV chealtion and why it is not recommended. Join other lists on thsi topic. Do not do something that you may regret--there is enough info available and you can red it and amke an informed decision on this--not just what some DAN tells you. All the best, Elena Elena From: anna_liisajansson@... <anna_liisajansson@...> Subject: Re: [ ] HBOT Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 2:17 PM My DAN Doc says first hbot then chelation? Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Virgin Mobile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 I heard from a few very reliable sources that HBOT helps heal 'leaky gut' so it is better to do HBOT before chelation because if leaky gut is severe, metals will be reabsorbed by the body! Therefore HBOT and healing the gut before chelation! I agree that you should do your research and follow your instincts!  ps. I am falling in LOVE with Nutriiveda!!!! LOL I will update with our progress in a few days!! From: anna_liisajansson <anna_liisajansson> Subject: Re: [childrensapraxiane t] HBOT @groups. com Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 2:17 PM My DAN Doc says first hbot then chelation? Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Virgin Mobile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 , thank you, this is all very encouraging for parents who want to go down the HBOT path. I know there's a lot of hope for brain injuries --HBOT has a great potential to heal oxidative stress damage--be it from physical or chemical sources. I do have one question for you though------what can you tell us about the possibility of damage/interactions from metals in kids who have detoxification problems and it may be the metals causing their damage to begin with or at least preventing their brain from healing given that the source of oxidative stress is right there--ever present and not easily removable without a double thiol bond which AlpphaLipoic Acid is pretty much the only known substance to contain such a double thiol bond and pass through the blood brain barrier to do its job---to firmly capture and excrete the heavy metals? I know HBOT has great potential--but what happens if the metals that may have been responsible for the damage to begin with are still there? What happens in metal toxic kids since it is known that heavy metals cannot simply be excreted once established in brain tissue especially and need to be chellated before true healing can occur ----? Is there any danger?--can the oxygen move the metals around as we know happens with metal chelators that lack the double thiol and simply aren't strong enough to bond to the metals like the Chlorella and other herbal chealtors can there be any healing if the metals persist in brain tissue? I can see HBOT having significant impact in brain damage--but what if the cause of the damage is still present--how can the brain heal and are there any potential risks? Thank you very much for reading thsi message and carefully considering a reply for those of us who are concerned about thsi possible interaction with metals--and God knows we do have metals in our environment--they are everywhere--from water, air, toys, amalgam fillings, cosmetics and hygiene products, and drugs, vaccines etc.--there is no shortage of heavy metals and they seem to be increasing in numbers and quantities for all of us. Thank you and I look forward to your reply as I am sure others do--HBOT really holds a lot of potential--but is there an issue of prioritizing treatments before gettign to it? Thanks again. Elena ________________________________ From: roberthartsoe <rhartsoe@...> Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 7:02:27 PM Subject: [ ] HBOT Re: Miracle Mountain HBOT sessions I would like to add that although Miracle Mountain operates almost at cost, if there is someone who cannot come because of additonal expenses like groceries while you are here and if that will keep your child from getting hbot, contact me personally and I will personally provide groceries or whatever it takes to help you get hbot for your child. We operate so closely at MM that I will do it out of my own pocket and it will be confidential. Contact me personally at rhartsoe@... and I'll try to help you in anyway possible. Hartsoe wrote: > > This is to let everyone know about our new scheduling for the 2010 > season at Children's Hyperbaric Center in Miracle Mountain. We will > not be doing the special April Session because of the family deaths we > have had and we will be staying in Florida until the May session. > However, we will be offering your choice of 1.5 or 1.75 ATA. Since we > have a mulitplace chamber, if we only have 2 or 3 people wanting to do > 1.5 then we may do all the sessions at 1.75 ATA. If you are applying > for an autistic child, we highly recommend doing the 1.75 session. And > we may go to 1.75 for everyone. That is the pressure we are having the > most success with for autism and it works great for cp and other neuro > injuries. We will be closing after the Oct. session before > Thanksgiving, which means we will only be doing 6 sessions this year and > probably in the future years. However, we have increased our capacity > and can take more clients for each session. It would be highly > advisable to book early as we already have clients booking for many of > the 6 sessions. Our schedule will be as follows: > *May 2- May 25* > *June 6-June 29* > *July 11-August 3* > *August 15-Sept. 7* > *Sept. 19-October 12* > *Oct. 24- Nov. 16 > > The new rates will be $2800 and this will include up to 40 sessions of > hbot with 100% oxygen, A full session of our Sound Harmonics program > (which is required with autism). This program is also known as AIT and > is a very important and successful program. It includes the use of > our Patterning equipment. Very important is the fact we include > free housing. Since our housing usually is at full capacity, if we run > out of housing, we give you a $300 credit towards local housing which is > available. We normally have housing for the first 10 clients and all > our housing includes free WiFi, Satellite TV and phone, along with full > kitchen and laundry facilities along with a private bath. > > We are excited about our improvements and look forward to seeing > everyone this summer. Our rates are the lowest anywhere, including > Canada. We are aiming all our efforts at those who will not be able to > otherwise afford hbot. > > You may call 336-385-1775 for info, or you may email hbot@... > <mailto:hbot%40skybest.com> > and we will call you and send a registration packet. We have enjoyed > serving you for over 10 years and have provided well over 20,000 HBOT > treatments with wonderful success. > You can see several videos on HBOT at our website, www.miraclemountain.org > > Hartsoe, Director > Alice Todd, Administrator > Michele Acquin, Asst. Administrator ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Hi I have now consulted with 2 Dan Docs about this matter and they say it is not a concern, nor have they ever heard this. I have to add it is not just metals harming the brains but usually a significant amount of toxins being released from leaky guts! These leaky guts poisin the brains every day. Both docs that I spoke with said it is best to have the guts in order before HBOT. We are doing a small amount of bio chelate during hbot. Chelate cause cause yeast to grow however it is well known that hbot has a positive effect on yeast problems. Hbot also reduces inflamation allowing the bodies pathways of elimination work better. The body is now better able to get rid of toxions and metals. and I have both asked you where your information has come from and you have yet to provide it? Why? there are a lot of parents considering this option and I feel you are adding in an element of fear, that as of yet is unfounded. If you have a link please provide it. We start hbot on Monday so I am very interested! Anni Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Virgin Mobile. [ ] HBOT Re: Miracle Mountain HBOT sessions I would like to add that although Miracle Mountain operates almost at cost, if there is someone who cannot come because of additonal expenses like groceries while you are here and if that will keep your child from getting hbot, contact me personally and I will personally provide groceries or whatever it takes to help you get hbot for your child. We operate so closely at MM that I will do it out of my own pocket and it will be confidential. Contact me personally at rhartsoe@... and I'll try to help you in anyway possible. Hartsoe wrote: > > This is to let everyone know about our new scheduling for the 2010 > season at Children's Hyperbaric Center in Miracle Mountain. We will > not be doing the special April Session because of the family deaths we > have had and we will be staying in Florida until the May session. > However, we will be offering your choice of 1.5 or 1.75 ATA. Since we > have a mulitplace chamber, if we only have 2 or 3 people wanting to do > 1.5 then we may do all the sessions at 1.75 ATA. If you are applying > for an autistic child, we highly recommend doing the 1.75 session. And > we may go to 1.75 for everyone. That is the pressure we are having the > most success with for autism and it works great for cp and other neuro > injuries. We will be closing after the Oct. session before > Thanksgiving, which means we will only be doing 6 sessions this year and > probably in the future years. However, we have increased our capacity > and can take more clients for each session. It would be highly > advisable to book early as we already have clients booking for many of > the 6 sessions. Our schedule will be as follows: > *May 2- May 25* > *June 6-June 29* > *July 11-August 3* > *August 15-Sept. 7* > *Sept. 19-October 12* > *Oct. 24- Nov. 16 > > The new rates will be $2800 and this will include up to 40 sessions of > hbot with 100% oxygen, A full session of our Sound Harmonics program > (which is required with autism). This program is also known as AIT and > is a very important and successful program. It includes the use of > our Patterning equipment. Very important is the fact we include > free housing. Since our housing usually is at full capacity, if we run > out of housing, we give you a $300 credit towards local housing which is > available. We normally have housing for the first 10 clients and all > our housing includes free WiFi, Satellite TV and phone, along with full > kitchen and laundry facilities along with a private bath. > > We are excited about our improvements and look forward to seeing > everyone this summer. Our rates are the lowest anywhere, including > Canada. We are aiming all our efforts at those who will not be able to > otherwise afford hbot. > > You may call 336-385-1775 for info, or you may email hbot@... > <mailto:hbot%40skybest.com> > and we will call you and send a registration packet. We have enjoyed > serving you for over 10 years and have provided well over 20,000 HBOT > treatments with wonderful success. > You can see several videos on HBOT at our website, www.miraclemountain.org > > Hartsoe, Director > Alice Todd, Administrator > Michele Acquin, Asst. Administrator ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Hi , I too would be very interested/grateful to hear your comments with regards to Elena's post. I was of the understanding that any metals that could be posing problems to the brain, could only be removed via chelation? If this were the case, wouldn't they need to be removed before HBOT, in order to give HBOT a 'better' chance of helping? Thanks. > > > > This is to let everyone know about our new scheduling for the 2010 > > season at Children's Hyperbaric Center in Miracle Mountain. We will > > not be doing the special April Session because of the family deaths we > > have had and we will be staying in Florida until the May session. > > However, we will be offering your choice of 1.5 or 1.75 ATA. Since we > > have a mulitplace chamber, if we only have 2 or 3 people wanting to do > > 1.5 then we may do all the sessions at 1.75 ATA. If you are applying > > for an autistic child, we highly recommend doing the 1.75 session. And > > we may go to 1.75 for everyone. That is the pressure we are having the > > most success with for autism and it works great for cp and other neuro > > injuries. We will be closing after the Oct. session before > > Thanksgiving, which means we will only be doing 6 sessions this year and > > probably in the future years. However, we have increased our capacity > > and can take more clients for each session. It would be highly > > advisable to book early as we already have clients booking for many of > > the 6 sessions. Our schedule will be as follows: > > *May 2- May 25* > > *June 6-June 29* > > *July 11-August 3* > > *August 15-Sept. 7* > > *Sept. 19-October 12* > > *Oct. 24- Nov. 16 > > > > The new rates will be $2800 and this will include up to 40 sessions of > > hbot with 100% oxygen, A full session of our Sound Harmonics program > > (which is required with autism). This program is also known as AIT and > > is a very important and successful program. It includes the use of > > our Patterning equipment. Very important is the fact we include > > free housing. Since our housing usually is at full capacity, if we run > > out of housing, we give you a $300 credit towards local housing which is > > available. We normally have housing for the first 10 clients and all > > our housing includes free WiFi, Satellite TV and phone, along with full > > kitchen and laundry facilities along with a private bath. > > > > We are excited about our improvements and look forward to seeing > > everyone this summer. Our rates are the lowest anywhere, including > > Canada. We are aiming all our efforts at those who will not be able to > > otherwise afford hbot. > > > > You may call 336-385-1775 for info, or you may email hbot@... > > <mailto:hbot%40skybest.com> > > and we will call you and send a registration packet. We have enjoyed > > serving you for over 10 years and have provided well over 20,000 HBOT > > treatments with wonderful success. > > You can see several videos on HBOT at our website, www.miraclemountain.org > > > > Hartsoe, Director > > Alice Todd, Administrator > > Michele Acquin, Asst. Administrator > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 I've heard from several different sources that the heavy metals need to be removed BEFORE HBOT --- I don't have any documents regarding this, but I can check my file box and get back to you. for my own personal thoughts-- it just makes sense to chelate the metals before HBOT to get optimal results of BOTH treatments. Becky In a message dated 2/28/2010 9:57:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ttaniaa0000@... writes: Hi , I too would be very interested/grateful to hear your comments with regards to Elena's post. I was of the understanding that any metals that could be posing problems to the brain, could only be removed via chelation? If this were the case, wouldn't they need to be removed before HBOT, in order to give HBOT a 'better' chance of helping? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Hi I am very interested in this as well as we have just started hbot and haven't chelated yet. I called a Dan Doc from California who is also trained in hbot. To my surprise he called me back. I asked him his opinion and he said he would never treat 2 stroke patients the same and he wouldn't treat 2 asd kids the same. He does have some asd kids go through before, during and after depending on their toxicity level and other factors. He said ther is no right answer. In our hbot group only 1 of 4 kids has chelated prioer to hbot. 2 of the kids, mine included, share the same Dan Doc. I guess it is best to be informed and ask the right questions. I have consulted 2 Dans on the matter, both docs evaluated my son's toxicity tests and done office exams and extensive patient review. Both felt it was a good option for us. My son is relativly low on the metals though aluminum is moderate. As some on this board suggest it is not DANGEROUS to hbot before chelate. Every kid is different. I will keep you all posted on our developments, tomorrow is day3! Anni Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Virgin Mobile. Re: [ ] Re: HBOT I've heard from several different sources that the heavy metals need to be removed BEFORE HBOT --- I don't have any documents regarding this, but I can check my file box and get back to you. for my own personal thoughts-- it just makes sense to chelate the metals before HBOT to get optimal results of BOTH treatments. Becky In a message dated 2/28/2010 9:57:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ttaniaa0000@... writes: Hi , I too would be very interested/grateful to hear your comments with regards to Elena's post. I was of the understanding that any metals that could be posing problems to the brain, could only be removed via chelation? If this were the case, wouldn't they need to be removed before HBOT, in order to give HBOT a 'better' chance of helping? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Hi Anni, I hope it all goes well for you and your child. DANs as other medical professionals--and all professionals really tend to have their biases. We all do ---obviously based on out training and experiences. If you called a DAN who is trained in HBOT and he said no problem--perhaps you can call a DAN trained in chealtion and see what they say--or at least one who does not do HBOT in his office regularly--you know one who only outsources for this treatment as needed so he has not made an initial multi-tens of thousands of dollars investment. You see, it is the chealtion that is the most misunderstood part of biomed----and also the most controversial at all levels --most feared by parents and most condemned by mainstream medicine--and rightly so because it is so poorly and dangerously done by so many medical professionals--many of whom are DANs. So there's a lot of misinformation about it and I do know other parents who will jump into an HBOT chamber without any problems--but would NEVER EVER consider chealtion because they think it too dangerous. The way most DANs do it --it most certainly is. But that's another story. So chelation is also the most feared and most non-politically-correct treatment in biomed--it has the worst reputation and virtually no solid research behind it---with very few exceptions--but unfortunately those scientists are not well known in the DAN community and other various chealting fads periodically take over as they get presented at the DAn conferences--similar to what goes on in doctor's offices when sales Reps buy lunch for the entire year for the staff and offer free samples of their newest drug along with their own research. Of course--not all medical professionals are so easily influenced--but a lot more than you would think according to an article in the NY Times. Everyone is looking for an easy fix--everyone wants a major break-through--and it's easy to just really fall for some of these things--do not for a minute think doctors have the time to really conduct their own research and share with colleagues and investigate and only then--five the supplement/drug to their patient--most just scan for red flags and read the info they are given, enjoy the presentation and are happy to learn new things and try to apply them--often becoming part of the so called clinical trials as they do it. On the other hand--- chealtion--safe chealtion does not really cost that much--the substances are ALA/DMSA and cannot be patented--they are basic--and fairly cheap--just tedious with the frequent administration of the chealting agent according to its half life (again--if done safely and efficiently)---and there's not that much for a DAN to do except monitor the patient's detox functions occasionally--so there's very little incentive to really do much in terms of research---particularly since it is such a red flag issue in all fields and because toxicity is brushed under the rug whenever possible--and no one wants to accept the blame and the responsibility to clean up their act. But as we all have become increasingly aware of the multitude of sources and exposures to heavy metals--we all know heavy metal toxicity is potentially very real for a lot of people----definitely anyone who has mercury amalgams or/and was born to a mom with dental amalgams, or who's had repeated flu shots or whose mom had them while pregnant, or lived near a cement factory, or worked in industries that use mercury such as a dental office---or got shots for being RH negative while pregnant, or other medications etc--all potentially toxic due to mercury and other chemicals--all with great potential to affect the fetus --and then the ever-present lead, the cadmium, the antimony, arsenic, the aluminum etc etc----all in unknown quantities --because there is no way to accurately measure toxic body burden unfortunately----it is mostly symptom based. So anyway, if you really want both sides of this HBOT/chelation prioritization treatment--call a DAN who specializes in chelation--and I don't just mean does it as needed. Of course they do it as needed--but there are DANs for whom heavy metal testing and clinical exam along with family history of exposure etc--is a top priority--not just one of the many issues covered. All DANs can do everything but some have treatments they prefer more than others--sort of fundamentals if you like--just like the probiotic they give every patient when they enter through they door--and BTW--do not ever go to a DAN who does not recommend a probiotic--because that really is a basic--even if every patient is different--they still need good bacteria to survive. I'm not going to go into why all professionals have their biases now--but suffice to say we are all only as good as our information. The point is on some of these protocols it is very important that you get it right the first time. And nothing is as importnat as the heavy metal chealtion--if metals are present. But then there are DANs who see that as just another piece of the puzzle and think they can choose to do which ever one seems appropriate--or easier at the time ----and that's' their prerogative, this is what they get the big bucks for--but again--if you really want someone to explain to you what the possible problems of HBOT before chelation might be--call a doctor who does a lot of successful chealtion--and who does not sell HBOT machines to their patients or does them in their office---becuase there are obvious conflict of interest there--and listen to what they have to say and then you can really be at peace after you've heard both sides and decided you still believe the DANs who say HBOT before chelation is fine. Yes, there are many detox protocols (unfortunately in most cases) and every individual is different and there are many other toxins besides heavy metals--that's certainly true. But from what the lists I told you about say--and their DANs and their experiences----nothing is as critical as the heavy metal chelation protocol. So I am sorry I do not have any double blind clinical studies for you that show that HBOT before chealtion is not recommended but I am sure neither does your DAN to show the opposite so you just have to hear these sides out and decide for your self--this is what I would do and --and in fact have done in my own experiences with chelation--and I did NOT just follow my DAn's advice--although I do usually follow her advice and agree with most other treatments--just this one did not seem right--not the chelation part and I'll be happy to tell you more about that and give you more resources if you want. And I now felt compelled to tell you that there are those who think different than your DAN --but you do what you want with that information. But then if you really want the other side ---speak to a DAN who feels chealtion should come before HBOT and then you'll know you've heard it all--I personally do not have that expertise yet---I'm just basing my suggestion on the warnings I myself have received from sources I have come to trust. Again--you have to go to chealtion experts/lists if you want info about chealtion prioritization and safe protocols-----if you go to HBOT experts/lists you will only hear what you already know. All the best, Elena ________________________________ From: " anna_liisajansson@... " <anna_liisajansson@...> Sent: Tue, March 2, 2010 8:22:56 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: HBOT Hi I am very interested in this as well as we have just started hbot and haven't chelated yet. I called a Dan Doc from California who is also trained in hbot. To my surprise he called me back. I asked him his opinion and he said he would never treat 2 stroke patients the same and he wouldn't treat 2 asd kids the same. He does have some asd kids go through before, during and after depending on their toxicity level and other factors. He said ther is no right answer. In our hbot group only 1 of 4 kids has chelated prioer to hbot. 2 of the kids, mine included, share the same Dan Doc. I guess it is best to be informed and ask the right questions. I have consulted 2 Dans on the matter, both docs evaluated my son's toxicity tests and done office exams and extensive patient review. Both felt it was a good option for us. My son is relativly low on the metals though aluminum is moderate. As some on this board suggest it is not DANGEROUS to hbot before chelate. Every kid is different. I will keep you all posted on our developments, tomorrow is day3! Anni Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Virgin Mobile. Re: [ ] Re: HBOT I've heard from several different sources that the heavy metals need to be removed BEFORE HBOT --- I don't have any documents regarding this, but I can check my file box and get back to you. for my own personal thoughts-- it just makes sense to chelate the metals before HBOT to get optimal results of BOTH treatments. Becky In a message dated 2/28/2010 9:57:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ttaniaa0000@... writes: Hi , I too would be very interested/grateful to hear your comments with regards to Elena's post. I was of the understanding that any metals that could be posing problems to the brain, could only be removed via chelation? If this were the case, wouldn't they need to be removed before HBOT, in order to give HBOT a 'better' chance of helping? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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