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Theresa,

Your letter saddens me. Docs know (or should know) that many and

probably most cases of inflamed tonsils are related to EBV (eg, 1-3).

Most but not all strains of EBV are responsive to Valtrex. My experience

at TCH in Denver has led me to conclude that ENT departments make more

money from surgeries (eg, tonsillectomies, myringotomies) than would be

made from healing the subgroups of kids whose symptoms would be

responsive to Valtrex. In this climate, a physician is far less likely

to dare to venture forth and say, Let's try Valtrex for a week or two,

and if we don't see improvement, we'll try different approaches.

Furthermore, epileptiform activity and autism-like traits are associated

with EBV (eg, 4-5).

puresleep wrote:

>Hello Listmates,

>Thank you for all your advice and input,I am learning so much here and you all

help me so much by posting and sharing in laymans terms.I went to see the new

ped today,armed with many studies(Thank you!)and a videotape of my dd having her

" tics'and laughing and conversing with herself.To this peds credit she didnot

look at me like I had a third eye and listened but wants to consult w/the

geneticist before making any more referals.She did feel that

>the tics were absense?seizures and wants me to see a nuero after the

geneticist.She gave me a steroid nose spray because dd has enlarged tonsills and

adnoids.Has anyone used anything like this?

>She would not write any scripts for nystatin,or viral meds.

>I think if I could consult with another doc who understood these things,this

new ped would follow their lead.

>We live in Va,any recommendations for a doc to take dd to

>who would advise my ped so that insurance would hopefully cover some of this?

>sorry for the long post,I had suspected seizures but was not ready to hear it

and I am clueless about what to do about it

>could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral that might be

helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity

>And can Flinstones vits really help w/this defiency?

>thanks again

>Theresa

>

1: J Virol. 2004 Nov;78(22):12613-24.

Epstein-Barr virus infection in ex vivo tonsil epithelial cell cultures of

asymptomatic carriers.

Pegtel DM, Middeldorp J, Thorley-Lawson DA.

Department of Pathology, Tufts University School of Medicine, Jaharis Bldg., 150

on Avenue, Boston, MA 02111, USA.

Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) is found frequently in certain epithelial pathologies,

such as nasopharyngeal carcinoma and oral hairy leukoplakia, indicating that the

virus can infect epithelial cells in vivo. Recent studies of cell lines imply

that epithelial cells may also play a role in persistent EBV infection in vivo.

In this report, we show the establishment and characterization of an ex vivo

culture model of tonsil epithelial cells, a likely site for EBV infection in

vivo. Primary epithelial-cell cultures, generated from tonsil explants,

contained a heterogeneous mixture of cells with an ongoing process of

differentiation. Keratin expression profiles were consistent with the presence

of cells from both surface and crypt epithelia. A small subset of cells could be

latently infected by coculture with EBV-releasing cell lines, but not with

cell-free virus. We also detected viral-DNA, -mRNA, and -protein expression in

cultures from EBV-positive tonsil donors prior to in vitro infection. We

conclude that these cells were either already infected at the time of

explantation or soon after through cell-to-cell contact with B cells replicating

EBV in the explant. Taken together, these findings suggest that the tonsil

epithelium of asymptomatic virus carriers is able to sustain EBV infection in

vivo. This provides an explanation for the presence of EBV in naso- and

oropharyngeal pathologies and is consistent with epithelial cells playing a role

in the egress of EBV during persistent infection.

PMID: 15507648 [PubMed - in process]

2: Int J Pediatr Otorhinolaryngol. 2003 Oct;67(10):1075-82.

Noticeable differences in bacterial defence on tonsillar surfaces between

bacteria-induced and virus-induced acute tonsillitis.

Stenfors LE, Bye HM, Raisanen S.

Department of Otolaryngology, Institute of Clinical Medicine, University of

Tromso, N-9037 Tromso, Norway. larseric@...

OBJECTIVE: Oral and pharyngeal cavities harbor a commensal bacterial flora which

is kept in check by several innate and acquired agents. In this study, we

focused on the proportions in which some antibacterial moderators (lysozyme,

lactoferrin, IgG and S-IgA) coat the tonsillar surface bacteria in healthy

individuals, in patients with acute tonsillitisculture-positive for

Streptococcus pyogenes, and in patients with infectious mononucleosis (IM)

caused by Epstein-Barr virus (EBV). METHODS: Bacterial samples were collected

for aerobic culturing and immunocytochemical evaluation from the tonsillar

surfaces of eight healthy individuals (four males, four females; age range 16-22

years), eight patients with current AT (two males, six females; age range 16-29

years) and seven patients with IM (four males, three females; age range 15-21

years). The immunocytochemical assay was based on gold-labeled antiserum to

human lysozyme, lactoferrin, IgG and S-IgA followed by gold particle tracing in

the transmission electron microscope. RESULTS: During AT, a significant increase

in lysozyme coating (P<0.05) and lactoferrin coating (P<0.0005) of the bacteria

was noted, whereas the S-IgA coating was significantly reduced (P<0.0005).

During IM infection, a significant increase in lactoferrin coating was noted

(P<0.0005) whereas immunoglobulin coating was significantly reduced (IgG

P<0.025; S-IgA P<0.0005) compared with healthy controls. During IM, all

antibacterial moderators evaluated were significantly reduced compared with the

situation during AT. CONCLUSIONS: Noticeable changes in the local innate and

acquired bacterial defence system were observed during tonsillar infections,

particularly during IM.

PMID: 14550961 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

3: Int J Pediatr Otorhinolaryngol. 2002 Dec 2;66(3):223-6.

Detection of Epstein-Barr virus and subsets of lymphoid cells in adenoid tissue

of children under 2 years of age.

Endo LH, Vassallo J, Sakano E, Brousset P.

Department of Otorrhinolaryngology, State University of Campinas, Rua Guilherme

da Silva 281, apto 111 Cambui, Campinas 13025-070, Sao o, Brazil.

luiza_endo@...

Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) has been closely associated with undifferentiated

nasopharyngeal carcinoma (NPC) and T/NK nasal non Hodgkin lymphoma.

Nevertheless, the presence of EBV in non neoplastic lymphoid tissue of the

nasopharynx has been rarely investigated. In a previous study by our group,

using in situ hybridization to detect EBV in adenoids of children (2-13 years

old) resected because of nasal obstruction due to hypertrophy, we found EBV

genome in 72% of the cases. It was now intended to study the frequency of EBV

expression in adenoids from children that underwent surgical removal, belonging

to a lower age group (1-2 years old). It was also intended to establish which

lymphoid subsets are involved in this infection. Adenoidal paraffin sections

from 21 patients aged 1-2 years old (mean 1.6 years), 15 males and six females

were submitted to double labeling: in situ hybridization with EBER 1/2 probes to

detect EBV and immunohistochemistry to determine the lymphocyte typing of

EBV-positive cells (CD20 for B-lymphocytes, CD3 for T-lymphocytes and CD56 and

CD57 for NK-cells). Among 21 patients, seven showed positive lymphoid cells for

EBV (33%). In almost all cases, EBV-positive cells were also CD20-positive. Some

EBV-positive cells showed no labeling with any of the lymphoid markers, but in

no instance they were positive for CD3, CD56 or CD57. This study confirms the

preferential infection of B-lymphocytes by EBV, which in some instances can down

regulate the expression of CD20.

PMID: 12443810 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

4: Brain Dev. 2003 Jan;25(1):9-13.

Virological and immunological aspects of seizure disorders.

Eeg-Olofsson O.

Department of Women's and Children's Health, Section for Pediatrics, Uppsala

University, S-751 85 Uppsala, Sweden.

The brain is a symptom-producing organ, and one of the symptoms due to a basic

brain dysfunction is epilepsy. The pathophysiologic background is in most

epilepsies multifactorial, as different pre-, peri-, and postnatal triggers or

environmental conditions influence one or several genetic factors, where also

gender is of importance. One of the genetic factors is immunodysfunction, and

the trigger mechanism may be a virus infection. Viruses are the most common

agents to which the human being is exposed throughout life. The herpes virus

group is of special interest with respect to complications of the central

nervous system. Herpes viruses, especially herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1),

human herpes virus type 6 (HHV-6), cytomegalovirus (CMV) and Epstein-Barr virus

(EBV), are capable of establishing latent infection and reactivating under a

variety of stimuli. In this review especially HHV-6 will be emphasized, as well

as CMV in relation to Rasmussen's syndrome. The immunological aspects will focus

on immunoglobulins, antibodies, especially the glutamate receptors, human

leukocyte antigens, T- and B-lymphocytes, and their respective interaction with

the antigen presenting cell. This course of events concerns the 'immunological

synapse'. Finally, reports on herpes virus genomes in the human brain are

discussed. A study on herpes viral DNA in brain tissue from patients operated

for focal epilepsy is briefly mentioned.

Publication Types:

Review

Review, Tutorial

PMID: 12536027 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

5: J Child Neurol. 2000 Dec;15(12):791-6.

Persistent preceding focal neurologic deficits in children with chronic

Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis.

Caruso JM, Tung GA, Gascon GG, Rogg J, L, Brown WD.

Department of Pediatric Neurology, Children's National Medical Center,

Washington, DC 20010, USA. jcaruso@...

Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis is a self-limiting disease with few sequelae.

Persistence of neurologic deficits prior to and after the acute illness has yet

to be described in children. We describe five children with persistent cognitive

and focal neurologic deficits due to chronic Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis

with various T2-weighted magnetic resonance imaging abnormalities. Clinical

features were a 9-year-old boy with aphasia and apraxia, an 11-year-old girl

with impulsivity and inappropriate behavior, a 17-year-old boy with

deterioration of cognitive skills and judgment, a 5-year-old boy with

complex-partial seizures, and a 6-year-old girl with obsessive-compulsive

behavior. All patients had elevated serum Epstein-Barr virus titers for acute

infection, with cerebrospinal fluid polymerase chain reaction positive for

Epstein-Barr virus in four patients. Three children were treated with

methylprednisolone with minimal improvement without changes on magnetic

resonance imaging. Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis can present with chronic and

insidious neurologic symptoms and should be considered in the differential

diagnosis of children with acute or chronic neurologic illness of unknown

etiology.

Publication Types:

Case Reports

PMID: 11198493 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Posted

FWIW I'm convinced my tonsil issues (age 5 or 6 until I had them out at age 21)

resulted from mercury amalgam exposure. Interestingly, we went to the dentist

every 6 months (and I remember only one appt without any fillings) and voilá, I

had inflamed tonsils every 6 months...

S

<BR>

<BR>

>Hello Listmates,<BR>

>Thank you for all your advice and input,I am learning so much here and you all

help me so much by posting and sharing in laymans terms.I went to see the new

ped today,armed with many studies(Thank you!)and a videotape of my dd having her

" tics'and laughing and conversing with herself.To this peds credit she didnot

look at me like I had a third eye and listened but   wants to consult w/the

geneticist before making any more referals.She did feel that<BR>

>the tics were absense?seizures and wants me to see a nuero after the

geneticist.She gave me a steroid nose spray because dd has enlarged tonsills and

adnoids.Has anyone used anything like this?<BR>

>She would not write any scripts for nystatin,or viral meds.<BR>

>I think if I could consult with another doc who understood these things,this

new ped would follow their lead.<BR>

>We live in Va,any recommendations for a doc to take dd to<BR>

>who would advise my ped so that insurance would hopefully cover some of

this?<BR>

>sorry for the long post,I had suspected seizures but was not ready to hear it

and I am clueless about what to do about it<BR>

>could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral that might be

helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity<BR>

>And can Flinstones vits really help w/this defiency?<BR>

>thanks again<BR>

>Theresa<BR>

><BR>

<BR>

1: J Virol. 2004 Nov;78(22):12613-24. <BR>

<BR>

Epstein-Barr virus infection in ex vivo tonsil epithelial cell cultures of<BR>

asymptomatic carriers.<BR>

<BR>

Pegtel DM, Middeldorp J, Thorley-Lawson DA.<BR>

<BR>

Department of Pathology, Tufts University School of Medicine, Jaharis Bldg.,

150<BR>

on Avenue, Boston, MA 02111, USA.<BR>

<BR>

Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) is found frequently in certain epithelial

pathologies,<BR>

such as nasopharyngeal carcinoma and oral hairy leukoplakia, indicating that

the<BR>

virus can infect epithelial cells in vivo. Recent studies of cell lines

imply<BR>

that epithelial cells may also play a role in persistent EBV infection in

vivo.<BR>

In this report, we show the establishment and characterization of an ex vivo<BR>

culture model of tonsil epithelial cells, a likely site for EBV infection in<BR>

vivo. Primary epithelial-cell cultures, generated from tonsil explants,<BR>

contained a heterogeneous mixture of cells with an ongoing process of<BR>

differentiation. Keratin expression profiles were consistent with the

presence<BR>

of cells from both surface and crypt epithelia. A small subset of cells could

be<BR>

latently infected by coculture with EBV-releasing cell lines, but not with<BR>

cell-free virus. We also detected viral-DNA, -mRNA, and -protein expression

in<BR>

cultures from EBV-positive tonsil donors prior to in vitro infection. We<BR>

conclude that these cells were either already infected at the time of<BR>

explantation or soon after through cell-to-cell contact with B cells

replicating<BR>

EBV in the explant. Taken together, these findings suggest that the tonsil<BR>

epithelium of asymptomatic virus carriers is able to sustain EBV infection

in<BR>

vivo. This provides an explanation for the presence of EBV in naso- and<BR>

oropharyngeal pathologies and is consistent with epithelial cells playing a

role<BR>

in the egress of EBV during persistent infection.<BR>

<BR>

PMID: 15507648 [PubMed - in process]<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

2: Int J Pediatr Otorhinolaryngol. 2003 Oct;67(10):1075-82. <BR>

<BR>

Noticeable differences in bacterial defence on tonsillar surfaces between<BR>

bacteria-induced and virus-induced acute tonsillitis.<BR>

<BR>

Stenfors LE, Bye HM, Raisanen S.<BR>

<BR>

Department of Otolaryngology, Institute of Clinical Medicine, University of<BR>

Tromso, N-9037 Tromso, Norway. larseric@...<BR>

<BR>

OBJECTIVE: Oral and pharyngeal cavities harbor a commensal bacterial flora

which<BR>

is kept in check by several innate and acquired agents. In this study, we<BR>

focused on the proportions in which some antibacterial moderators (lysozyme,<BR>

lactoferrin, IgG and S-IgA) coat the tonsillar surface bacteria in healthy<BR>

individuals, in patients with acute tonsillitisculture-positive for<BR>

Streptococcus pyogenes, and in patients with infectious mononucleosis (IM)<BR>

caused by Epstein-Barr virus (EBV). METHODS: Bacterial samples were

collected<BR>

for aerobic culturing and immunocytochemical evaluation from the tonsillar<BR>

surfaces of eight healthy individuals (four males, four females; age range

16-22<BR>

years), eight patients with current AT (two males, six females; age range

16-29<BR>

years) and seven patients with IM (four males, three females; age range

15-21<BR>

years). The immunocytochemical assay was based on gold-labeled antiserum to<BR>

human lysozyme, lactoferrin, IgG and S-IgA followed by gold particle tracing

in<BR>

the transmission electron microscope. RESULTS: During AT, a significant

increase<BR>

in lysozyme coating (P<0.05) and lactoferrin coating (P<0.0005) of the

bacteria<BR>

was noted, whereas the S-IgA coating was significantly reduced (P<0.0005).<BR>

During IM infection, a significant increase in lactoferrin coating was noted<BR>

(P<0.0005) whereas immunoglobulin coating was significantly reduced (IgG<BR>

P<0.025; S-IgA P<0.0005) compared with healthy controls. During IM, all<BR>

antibacterial moderators evaluated were significantly reduced compared with

the<BR>

situation during AT. CONCLUSIONS: Noticeable changes in the local innate and<BR>

acquired bacterial defence system were observed during tonsillar infections,<BR>

particularly during IM.<BR>

<BR>

PMID: 14550961 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

3: Int J Pediatr Otorhinolaryngol. 2002 Dec 2;66(3):223-6. <BR>

<BR>

Detection of Epstein-Barr virus and subsets of lymphoid cells in adenoid

tissue<BR>

of children under 2 years of age.<BR>

<BR>

Endo LH, Vassallo J, Sakano E, Brousset P.<BR>

<BR>

Department of Otorrhinolaryngology, State University of Campinas, Rua

Guilherme<BR>

da Silva 281, apto 111 Cambui, Campinas 13025-070, Sao o, Brazil.<BR>

luiza_endo@...<BR>

<BR>

Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) has been closely associated with undifferentiated<BR>

nasopharyngeal carcinoma (NPC) and T/NK nasal non Hodgkin lymphoma.<BR>

Nevertheless, the presence of EBV in non neoplastic lymphoid tissue of the<BR>

nasopharynx has been rarely investigated. In a previous study by our group,<BR>

using in situ hybridization to detect EBV in adenoids of children (2-13

years<BR>

old) resected because of nasal obstruction due to hypertrophy, we found EBV<BR>

genome in 72% of the cases. It was now intended to study the frequency of

EBV<BR>

expression in adenoids from children that underwent surgical removal,

belonging<BR>

to a lower age group (1-2 years old). It was also intended to establish

which<BR>

lymphoid subsets are involved in this infection. Adenoidal paraffin sections<BR>

from 21 patients aged 1-2 years old (mean 1.6 years), 15 males and six

females<BR>

were submitted to double labeling: in situ hybridization with EBER 1/2 probes

to<BR>

detect EBV and immunohistochemistry to determine the lymphocyte typing of<BR>

EBV-positive cells (CD20 for B-lymphocytes, CD3 for T-lymphocytes and CD56

and<BR>

CD57 for NK-cells). Among 21 patients, seven showed positive lymphoid cells

for<BR>

EBV (33%). In almost all cases, EBV-positive cells were also CD20-positive.

Some<BR>

EBV-positive cells showed no labeling with any of the lymphoid markers, but

in<BR>

no instance they were positive for CD3, CD56 or CD57. This study confirms

the<BR>

preferential infection of B-lymphocytes by EBV, which in some instances can

down<BR>

regulate the expression of CD20.<BR>

<BR>

PMID: 12443810 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

4: Brain Dev. 2003 Jan;25(1):9-13. <BR>

<BR>

Virological and immunological aspects of seizure disorders.<BR>

<BR>

Eeg-Olofsson O.<BR>

<BR>

Department of Women's and Children's Health, Section for Pediatrics, Uppsala<BR>

University, S-751 85 Uppsala, Sweden.<BR>

<BR>

The brain is a symptom-producing organ, and one of the symptoms due to a

basic<BR>

brain dysfunction is epilepsy. The pathophysiologic background is in most<BR>

epilepsies multifactorial, as different pre-, peri-, and postnatal triggers

or<BR>

environmental conditions influence one or several genetic factors, where

also<BR>

gender is of importance. One of the genetic factors is immunodysfunction,

and<BR>

the trigger mechanism may be a virus infection. Viruses are the most common<BR>

agents to which the human being is exposed throughout life. The herpes virus<BR>

group is of special interest with respect to complications of the central<BR>

nervous system. Herpes viruses, especially herpes simplex virus type 1

(HSV-1),<BR>

human herpes virus type 6 (HHV-6), cytomegalovirus (CMV) and Epstein-Barr

virus<BR>

(EBV), are capable of establishing latent infection and reactivating under a<BR>

variety of stimuli. In this review especially HHV-6 will be emphasized, as

well<BR>

as CMV in relation to Rasmussen's syndrome. The immunological aspects will

focus<BR>

on immunoglobulins, antibodies, especially the glutamate receptors, human<BR>

leukocyte antigens, T- and B-lymphocytes, and their respective interaction

with<BR>

the antigen presenting cell. This course of events concerns the

'immunological<BR>

synapse'. Finally, reports on herpes virus genomes in the human brain are<BR>

discussed. A study on herpes viral DNA in brain tissue from patients

operated<BR>

for focal epilepsy is briefly mentioned.<BR>

<BR>

Publication Types:<BR>

    Review<BR>

    Review, Tutorial<BR>

<BR>

PMID: 12536027 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

5: J Child Neurol. 2000 Dec;15(12):791-6. <BR>

<BR>

Persistent preceding focal neurologic deficits in children with chronic<BR>

Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis.<BR>

<BR>

Caruso JM, Tung GA, Gascon GG, Rogg J, L, Brown WD.<BR>

<BR>

Department of Pediatric Neurology, Children's National Medical Center,<BR>

Washington, DC 20010, USA. jcaruso@...<BR>

<BR>

Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis is a self-limiting disease with few

sequelae.<BR>

Persistence of neurologic deficits prior to and after the acute illness has

yet<BR>

to be described in children. We describe five children with persistent

cognitive<BR>

and focal neurologic deficits due to chronic Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis<BR>

with various T2-weighted magnetic resonance imaging abnormalities. Clinical<BR>

features were a 9-year-old boy with aphasia and apraxia, an 11-year-old girl<BR>

with impulsivity and inappropriate behavior, a 17-year-old boy with<BR>

deterioration of cognitive skills and judgment, a 5-year-old boy with<BR>

complex-partial seizures, and a 6-year-old girl with obsessive-compulsive<BR>

behavior. All patients had elevated serum Epstein-Barr virus titers for

acute<BR>

infection, with cerebrospinal fluid polymerase chain reaction positive for<BR>

Epstein-Barr virus in four patients. Three children were treated with<BR>

methylprednisolone with minimal improvement without changes on magnetic<BR>

resonance imaging. Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis can present with chronic

and<BR>

insidious neurologic symptoms and should be considered in the differential<BR>

diagnosis of children with acute or chronic neurologic illness of unknown<BR>

etiology.<BR>

<BR>

Publication Types:<BR>

    Case Reports<BR>

<BR>

PMID: 11198493 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

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Posted

,

Dare we speculate that the amalgams led to a systemic and localized

reduction in immunity, thus the inflamed tonsils. I too had amalgams,

then tonsils and adenoids removed. Makes me wonder if the

amalgams/immunity/EBV connection is a major reason that amalgams

continue to be installed - 'tis good for the business of tonsillectomies

and adenoidectomies.

???

Shepard wrote:

>

>FWIW I'm convinced my tonsil issues (age 5 or 6 until I had them out at age 21)

resulted from mercury amalgam exposure. Interestingly, we went to the dentist

every 6 months (and I remember only one appt without any fillings) and voilá, I

had inflamed tonsils every 6 months...

> S

>

>

>

>

>

><tt>

>Theresa,<BR>

><BR>

>Your letter saddens me. Docs know (or should know) that many and <BR>

>probably most cases of inflamed tonsils are related to EBV (eg, 1-3). <BR>

>Most but not all strains of EBV are responsive to Valtrex. My experience <BR>

>at TCH in Denver has led me to conclude that ENT departments make more <BR>

>money from surgeries (eg, tonsillectomies, myringotomies) than would be <BR>

>made from healing the subgroups of kids whose symptoms would be <BR>

>responsive to Valtrex. In this climate, a physician is far less likely <BR>

>to dare to venture forth and say, Let's try Valtrex for a week or two, <BR>

>and if we don't see improvement, we'll try different approaches. <BR>

>Furthermore, epileptiform activity and autism-like traits are associated <BR>

>with EBV (eg, 4-5).<BR>

><BR>

><BR>

><BR>

>

>

>

>

Posted

Hi ,

Yes,since my dd regressed after 15mo immunizations and a virus right after I

am convinced that not being able

to clear poisons(mercury)have caused and will continue to cause problems for

her until I can get her well enough to chelate it and get it out of her

theresa

[ ] Re: Seizures,worsening behaviors

>

>

>

> FWIW I'm convinced my tonsil issues (age 5 or 6 until I had them out at

> age 21) resulted from mercury amalgam exposure. Interestingly, we went to

> the dentist every 6 months (and I remember only one appt without any

> fillings) and voilá, I had inflamed tonsils every 6 months...

> S

>

>

>

> <BR>

> <BR>

>>Hello Listmates,<BR>

>>Thank you for all your advice and input,I am learning so much here and you

>>all help me so much by posting and sharing in laymans terms.I went to see

>>the new ped today,armed with many studies(Thank you!)and a videotape of my

>>dd having her " tics'and laughing and conversing with herself.To this peds

>>credit she didnot look at me like I had a third eye and listened but wants

>>to consult w/the geneticist before making any more referals.She did feel

>>that<BR>

>>the tics were absense?seizures and wants me to see a nuero after the

>>geneticist.She gave me a steroid nose spray because dd has enlarged

>>tonsills and adnoids.Has anyone used anything like this?<BR>

>>She would not write any scripts for nystatin,or viral meds.<BR>

>>I think if I could consult with another doc who understood these

>>things,this new ped would follow their lead.<BR>

>>We live in Va,any recommendations for a doc to take dd to<BR>

>>who would advise my ped so that insurance would hopefully cover some of

>>this?<BR>

>>sorry for the long post,I had suspected seizures but was not ready to hear

>>it and I am clueless about what to do about it<BR>

>>could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral that might

>>be helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity<BR>

>>And can Flinstones vits really help w/this defiency?<BR>

>>thanks again<BR>

>>Theresa<BR>

>><BR>

> <BR>

> 1: J Virol. 2004 Nov;78(22):12613-24. <BR>

> <BR>

> Epstein-Barr virus infection in ex vivo tonsil epithelial cell cultures

> of<BR>

> asymptomatic carriers.<BR>

> <BR>

> Pegtel DM, Middeldorp J, Thorley-Lawson DA.<BR>

> <BR>

> Department of Pathology, Tufts University School of Medicine, Jaharis

> Bldg., 150<BR>

> on Avenue, Boston, MA 02111, USA.<BR>

> <BR>

> Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) is found frequently in certain epithelial

> pathologies,<BR>

> such as nasopharyngeal carcinoma and oral hairy leukoplakia, indicating

> that the<BR>

> virus can infect epithelial cells in vivo. Recent studies of cell lines

> imply<BR>

> that epithelial cells may also play a role in persistent EBV infection in

> vivo.<BR>

> In this report, we show the establishment and characterization of an ex

> vivo<BR>

> culture model of tonsil epithelial cells, a likely site for EBV infection

> in<BR>

> vivo. Primary epithelial-cell cultures, generated from tonsil

> explants,<BR>

> contained a heterogeneous mixture of cells with an ongoing process of<BR>

> differentiation. Keratin expression profiles were consistent with the

> presence<BR>

> of cells from both surface and crypt epithelia. A small subset of cells

> could be<BR>

> latently infected by coculture with EBV-releasing cell lines, but not

> with<BR>

> cell-free virus. We also detected viral-DNA, -mRNA, and -protein

> expression in<BR>

> cultures from EBV-positive tonsil donors prior to in vitro infection.

> We<BR>

> conclude that these cells were either already infected at the time of<BR>

> explantation or soon after through cell-to-cell contact with B cells

> replicating<BR>

> EBV in the explant. Taken together, these findings suggest that the

> tonsil<BR>

> epithelium of asymptomatic virus carriers is able to sustain EBV infection

> in<BR>

> vivo. This provides an explanation for the presence of EBV in naso-

> and<BR>

> oropharyngeal pathologies and is consistent with epithelial cells playing

> a role<BR>

> in the egress of EBV during persistent infection.<BR>

> <BR>

> PMID: 15507648 [PubMed - in process]<BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> 2: Int J Pediatr Otorhinolaryngol. 2003 Oct;67(10):1075-82. <BR>

> <BR>

> Noticeable differences in bacterial defence on tonsillar surfaces

> between<BR>

> bacteria-induced and virus-induced acute tonsillitis.<BR>

> <BR>

> Stenfors LE, Bye HM, Raisanen S.<BR>

> <BR>

> Department of Otolaryngology, Institute of Clinical Medicine, University

> of<BR>

> Tromso, N-9037 Tromso, Norway. larseric@...<BR>

> <BR>

> OBJECTIVE: Oral and pharyngeal cavities harbor a commensal bacterial flora

> which<BR>

> is kept in check by several innate and acquired agents. In this study,

> we<BR>

> focused on the proportions in which some antibacterial moderators

> (lysozyme,<BR>

> lactoferrin, IgG and S-IgA) coat the tonsillar surface bacteria in

> healthy<BR>

> individuals, in patients with acute tonsillitisculture-positive

> for<BR>

> Streptococcus pyogenes, and in patients with infectious mononucleosis

> (IM)<BR>

> caused by Epstein-Barr virus (EBV). METHODS: Bacterial samples were

> collected<BR>

> for aerobic culturing and immunocytochemical evaluation from the

> tonsillar<BR>

> surfaces of eight healthy individuals (four males, four females; age range

> 16-22<BR>

> years), eight patients with current AT (two males, six females; age range

> 16-29<BR>

> years) and seven patients with IM (four males, three females; age range

> 15-21<BR>

> years). The immunocytochemical assay was based on gold-labeled antiserum

> to<BR>

> human lysozyme, lactoferrin, IgG and S-IgA followed by gold particle

> tracing in<BR>

> the transmission electron microscope. RESULTS: During AT, a significant

> increase<BR>

> in lysozyme coating (P<0.05) and lactoferrin coating (P<0.0005) of the

> bacteria<BR>

> was noted, whereas the S-IgA coating was significantly reduced

> (P<0.0005).<BR>

> During IM infection, a significant increase in lactoferrin coating was

> noted<BR>

> (P<0.0005) whereas immunoglobulin coating was significantly reduced

> (IgG<BR>

> P<0.025; S-IgA P<0.0005) compared with healthy controls. During IM,

> all<BR>

> antibacterial moderators evaluated were significantly reduced compared

> with the<BR>

> situation during AT. CONCLUSIONS: Noticeable changes in the local innate

> and<BR>

> acquired bacterial defence system were observed during tonsillar

> infections,<BR>

> particularly during IM.<BR>

> <BR>

> PMID: 14550961 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]<BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> 3: Int J Pediatr Otorhinolaryngol. 2002 Dec 2;66(3):223-6. <BR>

> <BR>

> Detection of Epstein-Barr virus and subsets of lymphoid cells in adenoid

> tissue<BR>

> of children under 2 years of age.<BR>

> <BR>

> Endo LH, Vassallo J, Sakano E, Brousset P.<BR>

> <BR>

> Department of Otorrhinolaryngology, State University of Campinas, Rua

> Guilherme<BR>

> da Silva 281, apto 111 Cambui, Campinas 13025-070, Sao o, Brazil.<BR>

> luiza_endo@...<BR>

> <BR>

> Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) has been closely associated with

> undifferentiated<BR>

> nasopharyngeal carcinoma (NPC) and T/NK nasal non Hodgkin lymphoma.<BR>

> Nevertheless, the presence of EBV in non neoplastic lymphoid tissue of

> the<BR>

> nasopharynx has been rarely investigated. In a previous study by our

> group,<BR>

> using in situ hybridization to detect EBV in adenoids of children (2-13

> years<BR>

> old) resected because of nasal obstruction due to hypertrophy, we found

> EBV<BR>

> genome in 72% of the cases. It was now intended to study the frequency of

> EBV<BR>

> expression in adenoids from children that underwent surgical removal,

> belonging<BR>

> to a lower age group (1-2 years old). It was also intended to establish

> which<BR>

> lymphoid subsets are involved in this infection. Adenoidal paraffin

> sections<BR>

> from 21 patients aged 1-2 years old (mean 1.6 years), 15 males and six

> females<BR>

> were submitted to double labeling: in situ hybridization with EBER 1/2

> probes to<BR>

> detect EBV and immunohistochemistry to determine the lymphocyte typing

> of<BR>

> EBV-positive cells (CD20 for B-lymphocytes, CD3 for T-lymphocytes and CD56

> and<BR>

> CD57 for NK-cells). Among 21 patients, seven showed positive lymphoid

> cells for<BR>

> EBV (33%). In almost all cases, EBV-positive cells were also

> CD20-positive. Some<BR>

> EBV-positive cells showed no labeling with any of the lymphoid markers,

> but in<BR>

> no instance they were positive for CD3, CD56 or CD57. This study confirms

> the<BR>

> preferential infection of B-lymphocytes by EBV, which in some instances

> can down<BR>

> regulate the expression of CD20.<BR>

> <BR>

> PMID: 12443810 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]<BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> 4: Brain Dev. 2003 Jan;25(1):9-13. <BR>

> <BR>

> Virological and immunological aspects of seizure disorders.<BR>

> <BR>

> Eeg-Olofsson O.<BR>

> <BR>

> Department of Women's and Children's Health, Section for Pediatrics,

> Uppsala<BR>

> University, S-751 85 Uppsala, Sweden.<BR>

> <BR>

> The brain is a symptom-producing organ, and one of the symptoms due to a

> basic<BR>

> brain dysfunction is epilepsy. The pathophysiologic background is in

> most<BR>

> epilepsies multifactorial, as different pre-, peri-, and postnatal

> triggers or<BR>

> environmental conditions influence one or several genetic factors, where

> also<BR>

> gender is of importance. One of the genetic factors is immunodysfunction,

> and<BR>

> the trigger mechanism may be a virus infection. Viruses are the most

> common<BR>

> agents to which the human being is exposed throughout life. The herpes

> virus<BR>

> group is of special interest with respect to complications of the

> central<BR>

> nervous system. Herpes viruses, especially herpes simplex virus type 1

> (HSV-1),<BR>

> human herpes virus type 6 (HHV-6), cytomegalovirus (CMV) and Epstein-Barr

> virus<BR>

> (EBV), are capable of establishing latent infection and reactivating under

> a<BR>

> variety of stimuli. In this review especially HHV-6 will be emphasized, as

> well<BR>

> as CMV in relation to Rasmussen's syndrome. The immunological aspects will

> focus<BR>

> on immunoglobulins, antibodies, especially the glutamate receptors,

> human<BR>

> leukocyte antigens, T- and B-lymphocytes, and their respective interaction

> with<BR>

> the antigen presenting cell. This course of events concerns the

> 'immunological<BR>

> synapse'. Finally, reports on herpes virus genomes in the human brain

> are<BR>

> discussed. A study on herpes viral DNA in brain tissue from patients

> operated<BR>

> for focal epilepsy is briefly mentioned.<BR>

> <BR>

> Publication Types:<BR>

> Review<BR>

> Review, Tutorial<BR>

> <BR>

> PMID: 12536027 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]<BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> 5: J Child Neurol. 2000 Dec;15(12):791-6. <BR>

> <BR>

> Persistent preceding focal neurologic deficits in children with

> chronic<BR>

> Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis.<BR>

> <BR>

> Caruso JM, Tung GA, Gascon GG, Rogg J, L, Brown WD.<BR>

> <BR>

> Department of Pediatric Neurology, Children's National Medical Center,<BR>

> Washington, DC 20010, USA. jcaruso@...<BR>

> <BR>

> Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis is a self-limiting disease with few

> sequelae.<BR>

> Persistence of neurologic deficits prior to and after the acute illness

> has yet<BR>

> to be described in children. We describe five children with persistent

> cognitive<BR>

> and focal neurologic deficits due to chronic Epstein-Barr virus

> encephalitis<BR>

> with various T2-weighted magnetic resonance imaging abnormalities.

> Clinical<BR>

> features were a 9-year-old boy with aphasia and apraxia, an 11-year-old

> girl<BR>

> with impulsivity and inappropriate behavior, a 17-year-old boy with<BR>

> deterioration of cognitive skills and judgment, a 5-year-old boy with<BR>

> complex-partial seizures, and a 6-year-old girl with

> obsessive-compulsive<BR>

> behavior. All patients had elevated serum Epstein-Barr virus titers for

> acute<BR>

> infection, with cerebrospinal fluid polymerase chain reaction positive

> for<BR>

> Epstein-Barr virus in four patients. Three children were treated with<BR>

> methylprednisolone with minimal improvement without changes on

> magnetic<BR>

> resonance imaging. Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis can present with

> chronic and<BR>

> insidious neurologic symptoms and should be considered in the

> differential<BR>

> diagnosis of children with acute or chronic neurologic illness of

> unknown<BR>

> etiology.<BR>

> <BR>

> Publication Types:<BR>

> Case Reports<BR>

> <BR>

> PMID: 11198493 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]<BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> </tt>

>

> <br><br>

> <tt>

> =======================================================<BR>

>

Posted

,

Thank you so much for posting these studies,I will take them to my ped and maybe

when she sees them she will be more willing to write the script.I often wonder

how much insurance companys influence what a Dr. feels comfortable trying.I had

the sense from talking with her today that she wanted to be openminded but that

I was not concrete enough to convince her.This will certainly help.I also would

like to thank you for all your work and research into helping these children

with Thanks

Theresa

[ ] Re: Seizures,worsening behaviors

Theresa,

Your letter saddens me. Docs know (or should know) that many and

probably most cases of inflamed tonsils are related to EBV (eg, 1-3).

Most but not all strains of EBV are responsive to Valtrex. My experience

at TCH in Denver has led me to conclude that ENT departments make more

money from surgeries (eg, tonsillectomies, myringotomies) than would be

made from healing the subgroups of kids whose symptoms would be

responsive to Valtrex. In this climate, a physician is far less likely

to dare to venture forth and say, Let's try Valtrex for a week or two,

and if we don't see improvement, we'll try different approaches.

Furthermore, epileptiform activity and autism-like traits are associated

with EBV (eg, 4-5).

puresleep wrote:

>Hello Listmates,

>Thank you for all your advice and input,I am learning so much here and you

all help me so much by posting and sharing in laymans terms.I went to see the

new ped today,armed with many studies(Thank you!)and a videotape of my dd having

her " tics'and laughing and conversing with herself.To this peds credit she

didnot look at me like I had a third eye and listened but wants to consult

w/the geneticist before making any more referals.She did feel that

>the tics were absense?seizures and wants me to see a nuero after the

geneticist.She gave me a steroid nose spray because dd has enlarged tonsills and

adnoids.Has anyone used anything like this?

>She would not write any scripts for nystatin,or viral meds.

>I think if I could consult with another doc who understood these things,this

new ped would follow their lead.

>We live in Va,any recommendations for a doc to take dd to

>who would advise my ped so that insurance would hopefully cover some of this?

>sorry for the long post,I had suspected seizures but was not ready to hear it

and I am clueless about what to do about it

>could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral that might be

helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity

>And can Flinstones vits really help w/this defiency?

>thanks again

>Theresa

>

1: J Virol. 2004 Nov;78(22):12613-24.

Epstein-Barr virus infection in ex vivo tonsil epithelial cell cultures of

asymptomatic carriers.

Pegtel DM, Middeldorp J, Thorley-Lawson DA.

Department of Pathology, Tufts University School of Medicine, Jaharis Bldg.,

150

on Avenue, Boston, MA 02111, USA.

Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) is found frequently in certain epithelial

pathologies,

such as nasopharyngeal carcinoma and oral hairy leukoplakia, indicating that

the

virus can infect epithelial cells in vivo. Recent studies of cell lines imply

that epithelial cells may also play a role in persistent EBV infection in

vivo.

In this report, we show the establishment and characterization of an ex vivo

culture model of tonsil epithelial cells, a likely site for EBV infection in

vivo. Primary epithelial-cell cultures, generated from tonsil explants,

contained a heterogeneous mixture of cells with an ongoing process of

differentiation. Keratin expression profiles were consistent with the presence

of cells from both surface and crypt epithelia. A small subset of cells could

be

latently infected by coculture with EBV-releasing cell lines, but not with

cell-free virus. We also detected viral-DNA, -mRNA, and -protein expression in

cultures from EBV-positive tonsil donors prior to in vitro infection. We

conclude that these cells were either already infected at the time of

explantation or soon after through cell-to-cell contact with B cells

replicating

EBV in the explant. Taken together, these findings suggest that the tonsil

epithelium of asymptomatic virus carriers is able to sustain EBV infection in

vivo. This provides an explanation for the presence of EBV in naso- and

oropharyngeal pathologies and is consistent with epithelial cells playing a

role

in the egress of EBV during persistent infection.

PMID: 15507648 [PubMed - in process]

2: Int J Pediatr Otorhinolaryngol. 2003 Oct;67(10):1075-82.

Noticeable differences in bacterial defence on tonsillar surfaces between

bacteria-induced and virus-induced acute tonsillitis.

Stenfors LE, Bye HM, Raisanen S.

Department of Otolaryngology, Institute of Clinical Medicine, University of

Tromso, N-9037 Tromso, Norway. larseric@...

OBJECTIVE: Oral and pharyngeal cavities harbor a commensal bacterial flora

which

is kept in check by several innate and acquired agents. In this study, we

focused on the proportions in which some antibacterial moderators (lysozyme,

lactoferrin, IgG and S-IgA) coat the tonsillar surface bacteria in healthy

individuals, in patients with acute tonsillitisculture-positive for

Streptococcus pyogenes, and in patients with infectious mononucleosis (IM)

caused by Epstein-Barr virus (EBV). METHODS: Bacterial samples were collected

for aerobic culturing and immunocytochemical evaluation from the tonsillar

surfaces of eight healthy individuals (four males, four females; age range

16-22

years), eight patients with current AT (two males, six females; age range

16-29

years) and seven patients with IM (four males, three females; age range 15-21

years). The immunocytochemical assay was based on gold-labeled antiserum to

human lysozyme, lactoferrin, IgG and S-IgA followed by gold particle tracing

in

the transmission electron microscope. RESULTS: During AT, a significant

increase

in lysozyme coating (P<0.05) and lactoferrin coating (P<0.0005) of the

bacteria

was noted, whereas the S-IgA coating was significantly reduced (P<0.0005).

During IM infection, a significant increase in lactoferrin coating was noted

(P<0.0005) whereas immunoglobulin coating was significantly reduced (IgG

P<0.025; S-IgA P<0.0005) compared with healthy controls. During IM, all

antibacterial moderators evaluated were significantly reduced compared with

the

situation during AT. CONCLUSIONS: Noticeable changes in the local innate and

acquired bacterial defence system were observed during tonsillar infections,

particularly during IM.

PMID: 14550961 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

3: Int J Pediatr Otorhinolaryngol. 2002 Dec 2;66(3):223-6.

Detection of Epstein-Barr virus and subsets of lymphoid cells in adenoid

tissue

of children under 2 years of age.

Endo LH, Vassallo J, Sakano E, Brousset P.

Department of Otorrhinolaryngology, State University of Campinas, Rua

Guilherme

da Silva 281, apto 111 Cambui, Campinas 13025-070, Sao o, Brazil.

luiza_endo@...

Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) has been closely associated with undifferentiated

nasopharyngeal carcinoma (NPC) and T/NK nasal non Hodgkin lymphoma.

Nevertheless, the presence of EBV in non neoplastic lymphoid tissue of the

nasopharynx has been rarely investigated. In a previous study by our group,

using in situ hybridization to detect EBV in adenoids of children (2-13 years

old) resected because of nasal obstruction due to hypertrophy, we found EBV

genome in 72% of the cases. It was now intended to study the frequency of EBV

expression in adenoids from children that underwent surgical removal,

belonging

to a lower age group (1-2 years old). It was also intended to establish which

lymphoid subsets are involved in this infection. Adenoidal paraffin sections

from 21 patients aged 1-2 years old (mean 1.6 years), 15 males and six females

were submitted to double labeling: in situ hybridization with EBER 1/2 probes

to

detect EBV and immunohistochemistry to determine the lymphocyte typing of

EBV-positive cells (CD20 for B-lymphocytes, CD3 for T-lymphocytes and CD56 and

CD57 for NK-cells). Among 21 patients, seven showed positive lymphoid cells

for

EBV (33%). In almost all cases, EBV-positive cells were also CD20-positive.

Some

EBV-positive cells showed no labeling with any of the lymphoid markers, but in

no instance they were positive for CD3, CD56 or CD57. This study confirms the

preferential infection of B-lymphocytes by EBV, which in some instances can

down

regulate the expression of CD20.

PMID: 12443810 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

4: Brain Dev. 2003 Jan;25(1):9-13.

Virological and immunological aspects of seizure disorders.

Eeg-Olofsson O.

Department of Women's and Children's Health, Section for Pediatrics, Uppsala

University, S-751 85 Uppsala, Sweden.

The brain is a symptom-producing organ, and one of the symptoms due to a basic

brain dysfunction is epilepsy. The pathophysiologic background is in most

epilepsies multifactorial, as different pre-, peri-, and postnatal triggers or

environmental conditions influence one or several genetic factors, where also

gender is of importance. One of the genetic factors is immunodysfunction, and

the trigger mechanism may be a virus infection. Viruses are the most common

agents to which the human being is exposed throughout life. The herpes virus

group is of special interest with respect to complications of the central

nervous system. Herpes viruses, especially herpes simplex virus type 1

(HSV-1),

human herpes virus type 6 (HHV-6), cytomegalovirus (CMV) and Epstein-Barr

virus

(EBV), are capable of establishing latent infection and reactivating under a

variety of stimuli. In this review especially HHV-6 will be emphasized, as

well

as CMV in relation to Rasmussen's syndrome. The immunological aspects will

focus

on immunoglobulins, antibodies, especially the glutamate receptors, human

leukocyte antigens, T- and B-lymphocytes, and their respective interaction

with

the antigen presenting cell. This course of events concerns the 'immunological

synapse'. Finally, reports on herpes virus genomes in the human brain are

discussed. A study on herpes viral DNA in brain tissue from patients operated

for focal epilepsy is briefly mentioned.

Publication Types:

Review

Review, Tutorial

PMID: 12536027 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

5: J Child Neurol. 2000 Dec;15(12):791-6.

Persistent preceding focal neurologic deficits in children with chronic

Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis.

Caruso JM, Tung GA, Gascon GG, Rogg J, L, Brown WD.

Department of Pediatric Neurology, Children's National Medical Center,

Washington, DC 20010, USA. jcaruso@...

Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis is a self-limiting disease with few sequelae.

Persistence of neurologic deficits prior to and after the acute illness has

yet

to be described in children. We describe five children with persistent

cognitive

and focal neurologic deficits due to chronic Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis

with various T2-weighted magnetic resonance imaging abnormalities. Clinical

features were a 9-year-old boy with aphasia and apraxia, an 11-year-old girl

with impulsivity and inappropriate behavior, a 17-year-old boy with

deterioration of cognitive skills and judgment, a 5-year-old boy with

complex-partial seizures, and a 6-year-old girl with obsessive-compulsive

behavior. All patients had elevated serum Epstein-Barr virus titers for acute

infection, with cerebrospinal fluid polymerase chain reaction positive for

Epstein-Barr virus in four patients. Three children were treated with

methylprednisolone with minimal improvement without changes on magnetic

resonance imaging. Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis can present with chronic

and

insidious neurologic symptoms and should be considered in the differential

diagnosis of children with acute or chronic neurologic illness of unknown

etiology.

Publication Types:

Case Reports

PMID: 11198493 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

=======================================================

Posted

Theresa,

Your letter saddens me. Docs know (or should know) that many and

probably most cases of inflamed tonsils are related to EBV (eg, 1-3).

Most but not all strains of EBV are responsive to Valtrex. My experience

at TCH in Denver has led me to conclude that ENT departments make more

money from surgeries (eg, tonsillectomies, myringotomies) than would be

made from healing the subgroups of kids whose symptoms would be

responsive to Valtrex. In this climate, a physician is far less likely

to dare to venture forth and say, Let's try Valtrex for a week or two,

and if we don't see improvement, we'll try different approaches.

Furthermore, epileptiform activity and autism-like traits are associated

with EBV (eg, 4-5).

puresleep wrote:

>Hello Listmates,

>Thank you for all your advice and input,I am learning so much here and you all

help me so much by posting and sharing in laymans terms.I went to see the new

ped today,armed with many studies(Thank you!)and a videotape of my dd having her

" tics'and laughing and conversing with herself.To this peds credit she didnot

look at me like I had a third eye and listened but wants to consult w/the

geneticist before making any more referals.She did feel that

>the tics were absense?seizures and wants me to see a nuero after the

geneticist.She gave me a steroid nose spray because dd has enlarged tonsills and

adnoids.Has anyone used anything like this?

>She would not write any scripts for nystatin,or viral meds.

>I think if I could consult with another doc who understood these things,this

new ped would follow their lead.

>We live in Va,any recommendations for a doc to take dd to

>who would advise my ped so that insurance would hopefully cover some of this?

>sorry for the long post,I had suspected seizures but was not ready to hear it

and I am clueless about what to do about it

>could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral that might be

helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity

>And can Flinstones vits really help w/this defiency?

>thanks again

>Theresa

>

1: J Virol. 2004 Nov;78(22):12613-24.

Epstein-Barr virus infection in ex vivo tonsil epithelial cell cultures of

asymptomatic carriers.

Pegtel DM, Middeldorp J, Thorley-Lawson DA.

Department of Pathology, Tufts University School of Medicine, Jaharis Bldg., 150

on Avenue, Boston, MA 02111, USA.

Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) is found frequently in certain epithelial pathologies,

such as nasopharyngeal carcinoma and oral hairy leukoplakia, indicating that the

virus can infect epithelial cells in vivo. Recent studies of cell lines imply

that epithelial cells may also play a role in persistent EBV infection in vivo.

In this report, we show the establishment and characterization of an ex vivo

culture model of tonsil epithelial cells, a likely site for EBV infection in

vivo. Primary epithelial-cell cultures, generated from tonsil explants,

contained a heterogeneous mixture of cells with an ongoing process of

differentiation. Keratin expression profiles were consistent with the presence

of cells from both surface and crypt epithelia. A small subset of cells could be

latently infected by coculture with EBV-releasing cell lines, but not with

cell-free virus. We also detected viral-DNA, -mRNA, and -protein expression in

cultures from EBV-positive tonsil donors prior to in vitro infection. We

conclude that these cells were either already infected at the time of

explantation or soon after through cell-to-cell contact with B cells replicating

EBV in the explant. Taken together, these findings suggest that the tonsil

epithelium of asymptomatic virus carriers is able to sustain EBV infection in

vivo. This provides an explanation for the presence of EBV in naso- and

oropharyngeal pathologies and is consistent with epithelial cells playing a role

in the egress of EBV during persistent infection.

PMID: 15507648 [PubMed - in process]

2: Int J Pediatr Otorhinolaryngol. 2003 Oct;67(10):1075-82.

Noticeable differences in bacterial defence on tonsillar surfaces between

bacteria-induced and virus-induced acute tonsillitis.

Stenfors LE, Bye HM, Raisanen S.

Department of Otolaryngology, Institute of Clinical Medicine, University of

Tromso, N-9037 Tromso, Norway. larseric@...

OBJECTIVE: Oral and pharyngeal cavities harbor a commensal bacterial flora which

is kept in check by several innate and acquired agents. In this study, we

focused on the proportions in which some antibacterial moderators (lysozyme,

lactoferrin, IgG and S-IgA) coat the tonsillar surface bacteria in healthy

individuals, in patients with acute tonsillitisculture-positive for

Streptococcus pyogenes, and in patients with infectious mononucleosis (IM)

caused by Epstein-Barr virus (EBV). METHODS: Bacterial samples were collected

for aerobic culturing and immunocytochemical evaluation from the tonsillar

surfaces of eight healthy individuals (four males, four females; age range 16-22

years), eight patients with current AT (two males, six females; age range 16-29

years) and seven patients with IM (four males, three females; age range 15-21

years). The immunocytochemical assay was based on gold-labeled antiserum to

human lysozyme, lactoferrin, IgG and S-IgA followed by gold particle tracing in

the transmission electron microscope. RESULTS: During AT, a significant increase

in lysozyme coating (P<0.05) and lactoferrin coating (P<0.0005) of the bacteria

was noted, whereas the S-IgA coating was significantly reduced (P<0.0005).

During IM infection, a significant increase in lactoferrin coating was noted

(P<0.0005) whereas immunoglobulin coating was significantly reduced (IgG

P<0.025; S-IgA P<0.0005) compared with healthy controls. During IM, all

antibacterial moderators evaluated were significantly reduced compared with the

situation during AT. CONCLUSIONS: Noticeable changes in the local innate and

acquired bacterial defence system were observed during tonsillar infections,

particularly during IM.

PMID: 14550961 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

3: Int J Pediatr Otorhinolaryngol. 2002 Dec 2;66(3):223-6.

Detection of Epstein-Barr virus and subsets of lymphoid cells in adenoid tissue

of children under 2 years of age.

Endo LH, Vassallo J, Sakano E, Brousset P.

Department of Otorrhinolaryngology, State University of Campinas, Rua Guilherme

da Silva 281, apto 111 Cambui, Campinas 13025-070, Sao o, Brazil.

luiza_endo@...

Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) has been closely associated with undifferentiated

nasopharyngeal carcinoma (NPC) and T/NK nasal non Hodgkin lymphoma.

Nevertheless, the presence of EBV in non neoplastic lymphoid tissue of the

nasopharynx has been rarely investigated. In a previous study by our group,

using in situ hybridization to detect EBV in adenoids of children (2-13 years

old) resected because of nasal obstruction due to hypertrophy, we found EBV

genome in 72% of the cases. It was now intended to study the frequency of EBV

expression in adenoids from children that underwent surgical removal, belonging

to a lower age group (1-2 years old). It was also intended to establish which

lymphoid subsets are involved in this infection. Adenoidal paraffin sections

from 21 patients aged 1-2 years old (mean 1.6 years), 15 males and six females

were submitted to double labeling: in situ hybridization with EBER 1/2 probes to

detect EBV and immunohistochemistry to determine the lymphocyte typing of

EBV-positive cells (CD20 for B-lymphocytes, CD3 for T-lymphocytes and CD56 and

CD57 for NK-cells). Among 21 patients, seven showed positive lymphoid cells for

EBV (33%). In almost all cases, EBV-positive cells were also CD20-positive. Some

EBV-positive cells showed no labeling with any of the lymphoid markers, but in

no instance they were positive for CD3, CD56 or CD57. This study confirms the

preferential infection of B-lymphocytes by EBV, which in some instances can down

regulate the expression of CD20.

PMID: 12443810 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

4: Brain Dev. 2003 Jan;25(1):9-13.

Virological and immunological aspects of seizure disorders.

Eeg-Olofsson O.

Department of Women's and Children's Health, Section for Pediatrics, Uppsala

University, S-751 85 Uppsala, Sweden.

The brain is a symptom-producing organ, and one of the symptoms due to a basic

brain dysfunction is epilepsy. The pathophysiologic background is in most

epilepsies multifactorial, as different pre-, peri-, and postnatal triggers or

environmental conditions influence one or several genetic factors, where also

gender is of importance. One of the genetic factors is immunodysfunction, and

the trigger mechanism may be a virus infection. Viruses are the most common

agents to which the human being is exposed throughout life. The herpes virus

group is of special interest with respect to complications of the central

nervous system. Herpes viruses, especially herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1),

human herpes virus type 6 (HHV-6), cytomegalovirus (CMV) and Epstein-Barr virus

(EBV), are capable of establishing latent infection and reactivating under a

variety of stimuli. In this review especially HHV-6 will be emphasized, as well

as CMV in relation to Rasmussen's syndrome. The immunological aspects will focus

on immunoglobulins, antibodies, especially the glutamate receptors, human

leukocyte antigens, T- and B-lymphocytes, and their respective interaction with

the antigen presenting cell. This course of events concerns the 'immunological

synapse'. Finally, reports on herpes virus genomes in the human brain are

discussed. A study on herpes viral DNA in brain tissue from patients operated

for focal epilepsy is briefly mentioned.

Publication Types:

Review

Review, Tutorial

PMID: 12536027 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

5: J Child Neurol. 2000 Dec;15(12):791-6.

Persistent preceding focal neurologic deficits in children with chronic

Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis.

Caruso JM, Tung GA, Gascon GG, Rogg J, L, Brown WD.

Department of Pediatric Neurology, Children's National Medical Center,

Washington, DC 20010, USA. jcaruso@...

Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis is a self-limiting disease with few sequelae.

Persistence of neurologic deficits prior to and after the acute illness has yet

to be described in children. We describe five children with persistent cognitive

and focal neurologic deficits due to chronic Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis

with various T2-weighted magnetic resonance imaging abnormalities. Clinical

features were a 9-year-old boy with aphasia and apraxia, an 11-year-old girl

with impulsivity and inappropriate behavior, a 17-year-old boy with

deterioration of cognitive skills and judgment, a 5-year-old boy with

complex-partial seizures, and a 6-year-old girl with obsessive-compulsive

behavior. All patients had elevated serum Epstein-Barr virus titers for acute

infection, with cerebrospinal fluid polymerase chain reaction positive for

Epstein-Barr virus in four patients. Three children were treated with

methylprednisolone with minimal improvement without changes on magnetic

resonance imaging. Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis can present with chronic and

insidious neurologic symptoms and should be considered in the differential

diagnosis of children with acute or chronic neurologic illness of unknown

etiology.

Publication Types:

Case Reports

PMID: 11198493 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Posted

IMHO, I would steer away from steroids. My son also had extremely

enlarged adenoids and tonsils. He used to make the strangest noises

when he slept. Now he gets nasal immunotherapy, and we have weeded

some allergens out of his diet. How about a really good

allergist/immunologist? I have a fantastic one, sadly he's in Long

Island. (Any family up in this neck of the woods? We don't need to

see him very often. He mails us our nasal spray once a month.)

jane

On Dec 7, 2004, at 4:11 PM, puresleep wrote:

>

>

> Hello Listmates,

> Thank you for all your advice and input,I am learning so much here and

> you all help me so much by posting and sharing in laymans terms.I went

> to see the new ped today,armed with many studies(Thank you!)and a

> videotape of my dd having her " tics'and laughing and conversing with

> herself.To this peds credit she didnot look at me like I had a third

> eye and listened but wants to consult w/the geneticist before making

> any more referals.She did feel that

> the tics were absense?seizures and wants me to see a nuero after the

> geneticist.She gave me a steroid nose spray because dd has enlarged

> tonsills and adnoids.Has anyone used anything like this?

> She would not write any scripts for nystatin,or viral meds.

> I think if I could consult with another doc who understood these

> things,this new ped would follow their lead.

> We live in Va,any recommendations for a doc to take dd to

> who would advise my ped so that insurance would hopefully cover some

> of this?

> sorry for the long post,I had suspected seizures but was not ready to

> hear it and I am clueless about what to do about it

> could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral that

> might be helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity

> And can Flinstones vits really help w/this defiency?

> thanks again

> Theresa

>

>

Posted

The Flinstones vitamins are for the purpose of

providing basic rda's of vitamins/minerals. Dr.

Goldberg generally uses famvir and valtrex as

antivirals. He switched them about yearly, I believe,

or if it seems one is not doing the job, based on

labs.

--- puresleep <puresleep@...> wrote:

>

> Hello Listmates,

> Thank you for all your advice and input,I am

> learning so much here and you all help me so much by

> posting and sharing in laymans terms.I went to see

> the new ped today,armed with many studies(Thank

> you!)and a videotape of my dd having her " tics'and

> laughing and conversing with herself.To this peds

> credit she didnot look at me like I had a third eye

> and listened but wants to consult w/the geneticist

> before making any more referals.She did feel that

> the tics were absense?seizures and wants me to see a

> nuero after the geneticist.She gave me a steroid

> nose spray because dd has enlarged tonsills and

> adnoids.Has anyone used anything like this?

> She would not write any scripts for nystatin,or

> viral meds.

> I think if I could consult with another doc who

> understood these things,this new ped would follow

> their lead.

> We live in Va,any recommendations for a doc to take

> dd to

> who would advise my ped so that insurance would

> hopefully cover some of this?

> sorry for the long post,I had suspected seizures but

> was not ready to hear it and I am clueless about

> what to do about it

> could I please bother you for recommendations for an

> antiviral that might be helpful ?and not complicate

> or worsen seizure activity

> And can Flinstones vits really help w/this defiency?

> thanks again

> Theresa

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

>

=====

Barb Katsaros

barbkatsaros@...

Posted

> could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral that

might be helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity

I don't know if my OTC anti-virals will affect seizures, because I

have never read messages either way, and my kids don't have seizures.

However, I have used olive leaf extract and Lauricidin as

anti-virals. My kids did better with the olive leaf extract.

Dana

Posted

My sons seizure activity increases with lauricidin and OLE unless he

takes garlic with them.

angela

> > could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral

that

> might be helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity

>

>

> I don't know if my OTC anti-virals will affect seizures, because I

> have never read messages either way, and my kids don't have

seizures.

> However, I have used olive leaf extract and Lauricidin as

> anti-virals. My kids did better with the olive leaf extract.

>

> Dana

Posted

Hi ,

I use alot of garlic when I cook,maybe cooking makes it less effective.What

supplement do you use?

Theresa

[ ] Re: Seizures,worsening behaviors

My sons seizure activity increases with lauricidin and OLE unless he

takes garlic with them.

angela

> > could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral

that

> might be helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity

>

>

> I don't know if my OTC anti-virals will affect seizures, because I

> have never read messages either way, and my kids don't have

seizures.

> However, I have used olive leaf extract and Lauricidin as

> anti-virals. My kids did better with the olive leaf extract.

>

> Dana

=======================================================

Posted

Thanks Dana,

another mom told me that unless she gave garlic with the antivirals her child

would also have seizures,maybe that will help mine as well

theresa

[ ] Re: Seizures,worsening behaviors

> could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral that

might be helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity

I don't know if my OTC anti-virals will affect seizures, because I

have never read messages either way, and my kids don't have seizures.

However, I have used olive leaf extract and Lauricidin as

anti-virals. My kids did better with the olive leaf extract.

Dana

=======================================================

Posted

Thank you Barb

theresa

Re: Seizures,worsening behaviors

The Flinstones vitamins are for the purpose of

providing basic rda's of vitamins/minerals. Dr.

Goldberg generally uses famvir and valtrex as

antivirals. He switched them about yearly, I believe,

or if it seems one is not doing the job, based on

labs.

--- puresleep <puresleep@...> wrote:

>

> Hello Listmates,

> Thank you for all your advice and input,I am

> learning so much here and you all help me so much by

> posting and sharing in laymans terms.I went to see

> the new ped today,armed with many studies(Thank

> you!)and a videotape of my dd having her " tics'and

> laughing and conversing with herself.To this peds

> credit she didnot look at me like I had a third eye

> and listened but wants to consult w/the geneticist

> before making any more referals.She did feel that

> the tics were absense?seizures and wants me to see a

> nuero after the geneticist.She gave me a steroid

> nose spray because dd has enlarged tonsills and

> adnoids.Has anyone used anything like this?

> She would not write any scripts for nystatin,or

> viral meds.

> I think if I could consult with another doc who

> understood these things,this new ped would follow

> their lead.

> We live in Va,any recommendations for a doc to take

> dd to

> who would advise my ped so that insurance would

> hopefully cover some of this?

> sorry for the long post,I had suspected seizures but

> was not ready to hear it and I am clueless about

> what to do about it

> could I please bother you for recommendations for an

> antiviral that might be helpful ?and not complicate

> or worsen seizure activity

> And can Flinstones vits really help w/this defiency?

> thanks again

> Theresa

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

>

=====

Barb Katsaros

barbkatsaros@...

Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with

the original author(s), and is not necessarily endorsed by or the

opinion of the Research Institute.

Posted

Thanks Jane,

I too am concerned with the steroids,perhaps I can have luck finding a good

allergist here.Do you think a chiro might

know something?

theresa

Re: Seizures,worsening behaviors

IMHO, I would steer away from steroids. My son also had extremely

enlarged adenoids and tonsils. He used to make the strangest noises

when he slept. Now he gets nasal immunotherapy, and we have weeded

some allergens out of his diet. How about a really good

allergist/immunologist? I have a fantastic one, sadly he's in Long

Island. (Any family up in this neck of the woods? We don't need to

see him very often. He mails us our nasal spray once a month.)

jane

On Dec 7, 2004, at 4:11 PM, puresleep wrote:

>

>

> Hello Listmates,

> Thank you for all your advice and input,I am learning so much here and

> you all help me so much by posting and sharing in laymans terms.I went

> to see the new ped today,armed with many studies(Thank you!)and a

> videotape of my dd having her " tics'and laughing and conversing with

> herself.To this peds credit she didnot look at me like I had a third

> eye and listened but wants to consult w/the geneticist before making

> any more referals.She did feel that

> the tics were absense?seizures and wants me to see a nuero after the

> geneticist.She gave me a steroid nose spray because dd has enlarged

> tonsills and adnoids.Has anyone used anything like this?

> She would not write any scripts for nystatin,or viral meds.

> I think if I could consult with another doc who understood these

> things,this new ped would follow their lead.

> We live in Va,any recommendations for a doc to take dd to

> who would advise my ped so that insurance would hopefully cover some

> of this?

> sorry for the long post,I had suspected seizures but was not ready to

> hear it and I am clueless about what to do about it

> could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral that

> might be helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity

> And can Flinstones vits really help w/this defiency?

> thanks again

> Theresa

>

>

Posted

In a message dated 12/8/2004 12:40:37 PM Central Standard Time,

puresleep@... writes:

<<My sons seizure activity increases with lauricidin and OLE unless he

takes garlic with them.>>

Do you have any clue why that is? I've never heard of garlic as a thing that

reduces seizure activity. My son hasn't had a problem with seizures on

Valtrex or Famvir but then he's been mostly seizure free since completing

chelation. For him, the only time he has a seizure now seems to be when his

body is

way out of balance, which is fairly rare now since fewer things knock him off

kilter than used to.

Gaylen

Posted

I'd stick with an allergist, but that's just my opinion.

Jane

On Dec 8, 2004, at 8:04 AM, puresleep wrote:

>

>

> Thanks Jane,

> I too am concerned with the steroids,perhaps I can have luck finding a

> good allergist here.Do you think a chiro might

> know something?

> theresa

> Re: Seizures,worsening behaviors

>

>

>

> IMHO, I would steer away from steroids. My son also had extremely

> enlarged adenoids and tonsils. He used to make the strangest noises

> when he slept. Now he gets nasal immunotherapy, and we have weeded

> some allergens out of his diet. How about a really good

> allergist/immunologist? I have a fantastic one, sadly he's in Long

> Island. (Any family up in this neck of the woods? We don't need to

> see him very often. He mails us our nasal spray once a month.)

> jane

> On Dec 7, 2004, at 4:11 PM, puresleep wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> Hello Listmates,

>> Thank you for all your advice and input,I am learning so much here and

>> you all help me so much by posting and sharing in laymans terms.I went

>> to see the new ped today,armed with many studies(Thank you!)and a

>> videotape of my dd having her " tics'and laughing and conversing with

>> herself.To this peds credit she didnot look at me like I had a third

>> eye and listened but wants to consult w/the geneticist before making

>> any more referals.She did feel that

>> the tics were absense?seizures and wants me to see a nuero after the

>> geneticist.She gave me a steroid nose spray because dd has enlarged

>> tonsills and adnoids.Has anyone used anything like this?

>> She would not write any scripts for nystatin,or viral meds.

>> I think if I could consult with another doc who understood these

>> things,this new ped would follow their lead.

>> We live in Va,any recommendations for a doc to take dd to

>> who would advise my ped so that insurance would hopefully cover some

>> of this?

>> sorry for the long post,I had suspected seizures but was not ready to

>> hear it and I am clueless about what to do about it

>> could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral that

>> might be helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity

>> And can Flinstones vits really help w/this defiency?

>> thanks again

>> Theresa

>>

>>

Posted

I have no idea.

> In a message dated 12/8/2004 12:40:37 PM Central Standard Time,

> puresleep@v... writes:

> <<My sons seizure activity increases with lauricidin and OLE

unless he

> takes garlic with them.>>

>

>

> Do you have any clue why that is? I've never heard of garlic as a

thing that

> reduces seizure activity. My son hasn't had a problem with

seizures on

> Valtrex or Famvir but then he's been mostly seizure free since

completing

> chelation. For him, the only time he has a seizure now seems to

be when his body is

> way out of balance, which is fairly rare now since fewer things

knock him off

> kilter than used to.

> Gaylen

>

>

>

Posted

> Thanks Dana,

> another mom told me that unless she gave garlic with the antivirals

her child would also have seizures,maybe that will help mine as well

Garlic was very helpful for my kids, to address the NASTY yeast caused

by viral die off from those two anti-virals. Maybe it was yeast

causing the seizures?

Dana

Posted

We just moved to Virginia as well. Our twin sons both have seizures

but we are successful (so far) in eliminating them with a GF diet.

Nearly every record of seizure in the past for our boys is from

gluten we suspect.

> Hello Listmates,

> Thank you for all your advice and input,I am learning so much here

and you all help me so much by posting and sharing in laymans terms.I

went to see the new ped today,armed with many studies(Thank you!)and

a videotape of my dd having her " tics'and laughing and conversing

with herself.To this peds credit she didnot look at me like I had a

third eye and listened but wants to consult w/the geneticist before

making any more referals.She did feel that

> the tics were absense?seizures and wants me to see a nuero after

the geneticist.She gave me a steroid nose spray because dd has

enlarged tonsills and adnoids.Has anyone used anything like this?

> She would not write any scripts for nystatin,or viral meds.

> I think if I could consult with another doc who understood these

things,this new ped would follow their lead.

> We live in Va,any recommendations for a doc to take dd to

> who would advise my ped so that insurance would hopefully cover

some of this?

> sorry for the long post,I had suspected seizures but was not ready

to hear it and I am clueless about what to do about it

> could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral that

might be helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity

> And can Flinstones vits really help w/this defiency?

> thanks again

> Theresa

>

>

Posted

Dana,

I am thinking that could be it

Theresa

[ ] Re: Seizures,worsening behaviors

> Thanks Dana,

> another mom told me that unless she gave garlic with the antivirals

her child would also have seizures,maybe that will help mine as well

Garlic was very helpful for my kids, to address the NASTY yeast caused

by viral die off from those two anti-virals. Maybe it was yeast

causing the seizures?

Dana

=======================================================

Posted

Welcome to Va!

Twin Boys ! I hope you are in a good school district,it can be tough going

here.We live in VaBeach.I have been very disappointed with the education system

here but I hear it is better around Fairfax.I am glad the diet is working well

for your sons.We are gfcfsf here

theresa mom to 5

[ ] Re: Seizures,worsening behaviors

We just moved to Virginia as well. Our twin sons both have seizures

but we are successful (so far) in eliminating them with a GF diet.

Nearly every record of seizure in the past for our boys is from

gluten we suspect.

> Hello Listmates,

> Thank you for all your advice and input,I am learning so much here

and you all help me so much by posting and sharing in laymans terms.I

went to see the new ped today,armed with many studies(Thank you!)and

a videotape of my dd having her " tics'and laughing and conversing

with herself.To this peds credit she didnot look at me like I had a

third eye and listened but wants to consult w/the geneticist before

making any more referals.She did feel that

> the tics were absense?seizures and wants me to see a nuero after

the geneticist.She gave me a steroid nose spray because dd has

enlarged tonsills and adnoids.Has anyone used anything like this?

> She would not write any scripts for nystatin,or viral meds.

> I think if I could consult with another doc who understood these

things,this new ped would follow their lead.

> We live in Va,any recommendations for a doc to take dd to

> who would advise my ped so that insurance would hopefully cover

some of this?

> sorry for the long post,I had suspected seizures but was not ready

to hear it and I am clueless about what to do about it

> could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral that

might be helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity

> And can Flinstones vits really help w/this defiency?

> thanks again

> Theresa

>

>

Posted

Removing gluten has helped my son tremendously, as well :)

>

> We just moved to Virginia as well. Our twin sons both have

seizures

> but we are successful (so far) in eliminating them with a GF diet.

> Nearly every record of seizure in the past for our boys is from

> gluten we suspect.

>

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