Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Posted December 7, 2004 Theresa, Your letter saddens me. Docs know (or should know) that many and probably most cases of inflamed tonsils are related to EBV (eg, 1-3). Most but not all strains of EBV are responsive to Valtrex. My experience at TCH in Denver has led me to conclude that ENT departments make more money from surgeries (eg, tonsillectomies, myringotomies) than would be made from healing the subgroups of kids whose symptoms would be responsive to Valtrex. In this climate, a physician is far less likely to dare to venture forth and say, Let's try Valtrex for a week or two, and if we don't see improvement, we'll try different approaches. Furthermore, epileptiform activity and autism-like traits are associated with EBV (eg, 4-5). puresleep wrote: >Hello Listmates, >Thank you for all your advice and input,I am learning so much here and you all help me so much by posting and sharing in laymans terms.I went to see the new ped today,armed with many studies(Thank you!)and a videotape of my dd having her " tics'and laughing and conversing with herself.To this peds credit she didnot look at me like I had a third eye and listened but wants to consult w/the geneticist before making any more referals.She did feel that >the tics were absense?seizures and wants me to see a nuero after the geneticist.She gave me a steroid nose spray because dd has enlarged tonsills and adnoids.Has anyone used anything like this? >She would not write any scripts for nystatin,or viral meds. >I think if I could consult with another doc who understood these things,this new ped would follow their lead. >We live in Va,any recommendations for a doc to take dd to >who would advise my ped so that insurance would hopefully cover some of this? >sorry for the long post,I had suspected seizures but was not ready to hear it and I am clueless about what to do about it >could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral that might be helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity >And can Flinstones vits really help w/this defiency? >thanks again >Theresa > 1: J Virol. 2004 Nov;78(22):12613-24. Epstein-Barr virus infection in ex vivo tonsil epithelial cell cultures of asymptomatic carriers. Pegtel DM, Middeldorp J, Thorley-Lawson DA. Department of Pathology, Tufts University School of Medicine, Jaharis Bldg., 150 on Avenue, Boston, MA 02111, USA. Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) is found frequently in certain epithelial pathologies, such as nasopharyngeal carcinoma and oral hairy leukoplakia, indicating that the virus can infect epithelial cells in vivo. Recent studies of cell lines imply that epithelial cells may also play a role in persistent EBV infection in vivo. In this report, we show the establishment and characterization of an ex vivo culture model of tonsil epithelial cells, a likely site for EBV infection in vivo. Primary epithelial-cell cultures, generated from tonsil explants, contained a heterogeneous mixture of cells with an ongoing process of differentiation. Keratin expression profiles were consistent with the presence of cells from both surface and crypt epithelia. A small subset of cells could be latently infected by coculture with EBV-releasing cell lines, but not with cell-free virus. We also detected viral-DNA, -mRNA, and -protein expression in cultures from EBV-positive tonsil donors prior to in vitro infection. We conclude that these cells were either already infected at the time of explantation or soon after through cell-to-cell contact with B cells replicating EBV in the explant. Taken together, these findings suggest that the tonsil epithelium of asymptomatic virus carriers is able to sustain EBV infection in vivo. This provides an explanation for the presence of EBV in naso- and oropharyngeal pathologies and is consistent with epithelial cells playing a role in the egress of EBV during persistent infection. PMID: 15507648 [PubMed - in process] 2: Int J Pediatr Otorhinolaryngol. 2003 Oct;67(10):1075-82. Noticeable differences in bacterial defence on tonsillar surfaces between bacteria-induced and virus-induced acute tonsillitis. Stenfors LE, Bye HM, Raisanen S. Department of Otolaryngology, Institute of Clinical Medicine, University of Tromso, N-9037 Tromso, Norway. larseric@... OBJECTIVE: Oral and pharyngeal cavities harbor a commensal bacterial flora which is kept in check by several innate and acquired agents. In this study, we focused on the proportions in which some antibacterial moderators (lysozyme, lactoferrin, IgG and S-IgA) coat the tonsillar surface bacteria in healthy individuals, in patients with acute tonsillitisculture-positive for Streptococcus pyogenes, and in patients with infectious mononucleosis (IM) caused by Epstein-Barr virus (EBV). METHODS: Bacterial samples were collected for aerobic culturing and immunocytochemical evaluation from the tonsillar surfaces of eight healthy individuals (four males, four females; age range 16-22 years), eight patients with current AT (two males, six females; age range 16-29 years) and seven patients with IM (four males, three females; age range 15-21 years). The immunocytochemical assay was based on gold-labeled antiserum to human lysozyme, lactoferrin, IgG and S-IgA followed by gold particle tracing in the transmission electron microscope. RESULTS: During AT, a significant increase in lysozyme coating (P<0.05) and lactoferrin coating (P<0.0005) of the bacteria was noted, whereas the S-IgA coating was significantly reduced (P<0.0005). During IM infection, a significant increase in lactoferrin coating was noted (P<0.0005) whereas immunoglobulin coating was significantly reduced (IgG P<0.025; S-IgA P<0.0005) compared with healthy controls. During IM, all antibacterial moderators evaluated were significantly reduced compared with the situation during AT. CONCLUSIONS: Noticeable changes in the local innate and acquired bacterial defence system were observed during tonsillar infections, particularly during IM. PMID: 14550961 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 3: Int J Pediatr Otorhinolaryngol. 2002 Dec 2;66(3):223-6. Detection of Epstein-Barr virus and subsets of lymphoid cells in adenoid tissue of children under 2 years of age. Endo LH, Vassallo J, Sakano E, Brousset P. Department of Otorrhinolaryngology, State University of Campinas, Rua Guilherme da Silva 281, apto 111 Cambui, Campinas 13025-070, Sao o, Brazil. luiza_endo@... Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) has been closely associated with undifferentiated nasopharyngeal carcinoma (NPC) and T/NK nasal non Hodgkin lymphoma. Nevertheless, the presence of EBV in non neoplastic lymphoid tissue of the nasopharynx has been rarely investigated. In a previous study by our group, using in situ hybridization to detect EBV in adenoids of children (2-13 years old) resected because of nasal obstruction due to hypertrophy, we found EBV genome in 72% of the cases. It was now intended to study the frequency of EBV expression in adenoids from children that underwent surgical removal, belonging to a lower age group (1-2 years old). It was also intended to establish which lymphoid subsets are involved in this infection. Adenoidal paraffin sections from 21 patients aged 1-2 years old (mean 1.6 years), 15 males and six females were submitted to double labeling: in situ hybridization with EBER 1/2 probes to detect EBV and immunohistochemistry to determine the lymphocyte typing of EBV-positive cells (CD20 for B-lymphocytes, CD3 for T-lymphocytes and CD56 and CD57 for NK-cells). Among 21 patients, seven showed positive lymphoid cells for EBV (33%). In almost all cases, EBV-positive cells were also CD20-positive. Some EBV-positive cells showed no labeling with any of the lymphoid markers, but in no instance they were positive for CD3, CD56 or CD57. This study confirms the preferential infection of B-lymphocytes by EBV, which in some instances can down regulate the expression of CD20. PMID: 12443810 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 4: Brain Dev. 2003 Jan;25(1):9-13. Virological and immunological aspects of seizure disorders. Eeg-Olofsson O. Department of Women's and Children's Health, Section for Pediatrics, Uppsala University, S-751 85 Uppsala, Sweden. The brain is a symptom-producing organ, and one of the symptoms due to a basic brain dysfunction is epilepsy. The pathophysiologic background is in most epilepsies multifactorial, as different pre-, peri-, and postnatal triggers or environmental conditions influence one or several genetic factors, where also gender is of importance. One of the genetic factors is immunodysfunction, and the trigger mechanism may be a virus infection. Viruses are the most common agents to which the human being is exposed throughout life. The herpes virus group is of special interest with respect to complications of the central nervous system. Herpes viruses, especially herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1), human herpes virus type 6 (HHV-6), cytomegalovirus (CMV) and Epstein-Barr virus (EBV), are capable of establishing latent infection and reactivating under a variety of stimuli. In this review especially HHV-6 will be emphasized, as well as CMV in relation to Rasmussen's syndrome. The immunological aspects will focus on immunoglobulins, antibodies, especially the glutamate receptors, human leukocyte antigens, T- and B-lymphocytes, and their respective interaction with the antigen presenting cell. This course of events concerns the 'immunological synapse'. Finally, reports on herpes virus genomes in the human brain are discussed. A study on herpes viral DNA in brain tissue from patients operated for focal epilepsy is briefly mentioned. Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial PMID: 12536027 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 5: J Child Neurol. 2000 Dec;15(12):791-6. Persistent preceding focal neurologic deficits in children with chronic Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis. Caruso JM, Tung GA, Gascon GG, Rogg J, L, Brown WD. Department of Pediatric Neurology, Children's National Medical Center, Washington, DC 20010, USA. jcaruso@... Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis is a self-limiting disease with few sequelae. Persistence of neurologic deficits prior to and after the acute illness has yet to be described in children. We describe five children with persistent cognitive and focal neurologic deficits due to chronic Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis with various T2-weighted magnetic resonance imaging abnormalities. Clinical features were a 9-year-old boy with aphasia and apraxia, an 11-year-old girl with impulsivity and inappropriate behavior, a 17-year-old boy with deterioration of cognitive skills and judgment, a 5-year-old boy with complex-partial seizures, and a 6-year-old girl with obsessive-compulsive behavior. All patients had elevated serum Epstein-Barr virus titers for acute infection, with cerebrospinal fluid polymerase chain reaction positive for Epstein-Barr virus in four patients. Three children were treated with methylprednisolone with minimal improvement without changes on magnetic resonance imaging. Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis can present with chronic and insidious neurologic symptoms and should be considered in the differential diagnosis of children with acute or chronic neurologic illness of unknown etiology. Publication Types: Case Reports PMID: 11198493 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Quote
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Posted December 7, 2004 FWIW I'm convinced my tonsil issues (age 5 or 6 until I had them out at age 21) resulted from mercury amalgam exposure. Interestingly, we went to the dentist every 6 months (and I remember only one appt without any fillings) and voilá, I had inflamed tonsils every 6 months... S <BR> <BR> >Hello Listmates,<BR> >Thank you for all your advice and input,I am learning so much here and you all help me so much by posting and sharing in laymans terms.I went to see the new ped today,armed with many studies(Thank you!)and a videotape of my dd having her " tics'and laughing and conversing with herself.To this peds credit she didnot look at me like I had a third eye and listened but wants to consult w/the geneticist before making any more referals.She did feel that<BR> >the tics were absense?seizures and wants me to see a nuero after the geneticist.She gave me a steroid nose spray because dd has enlarged tonsills and adnoids.Has anyone used anything like this?<BR> >She would not write any scripts for nystatin,or viral meds.<BR> >I think if I could consult with another doc who understood these things,this new ped would follow their lead.<BR> >We live in Va,any recommendations for a doc to take dd to<BR> >who would advise my ped so that insurance would hopefully cover some of this?<BR> >sorry for the long post,I had suspected seizures but was not ready to hear it and I am clueless about what to do about it<BR> >could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral that might be helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity<BR> >And can Flinstones vits really help w/this defiency?<BR> >thanks again<BR> >Theresa<BR> ><BR> <BR> 1: J Virol. 2004 Nov;78(22):12613-24. <BR> <BR> Epstein-Barr virus infection in ex vivo tonsil epithelial cell cultures of<BR> asymptomatic carriers.<BR> <BR> Pegtel DM, Middeldorp J, Thorley-Lawson DA.<BR> <BR> Department of Pathology, Tufts University School of Medicine, Jaharis Bldg., 150<BR> on Avenue, Boston, MA 02111, USA.<BR> <BR> Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) is found frequently in certain epithelial pathologies,<BR> such as nasopharyngeal carcinoma and oral hairy leukoplakia, indicating that the<BR> virus can infect epithelial cells in vivo. Recent studies of cell lines imply<BR> that epithelial cells may also play a role in persistent EBV infection in vivo.<BR> In this report, we show the establishment and characterization of an ex vivo<BR> culture model of tonsil epithelial cells, a likely site for EBV infection in<BR> vivo. Primary epithelial-cell cultures, generated from tonsil explants,<BR> contained a heterogeneous mixture of cells with an ongoing process of<BR> differentiation. Keratin expression profiles were consistent with the presence<BR> of cells from both surface and crypt epithelia. A small subset of cells could be<BR> latently infected by coculture with EBV-releasing cell lines, but not with<BR> cell-free virus. We also detected viral-DNA, -mRNA, and -protein expression in<BR> cultures from EBV-positive tonsil donors prior to in vitro infection. We<BR> conclude that these cells were either already infected at the time of<BR> explantation or soon after through cell-to-cell contact with B cells replicating<BR> EBV in the explant. Taken together, these findings suggest that the tonsil<BR> epithelium of asymptomatic virus carriers is able to sustain EBV infection in<BR> vivo. This provides an explanation for the presence of EBV in naso- and<BR> oropharyngeal pathologies and is consistent with epithelial cells playing a role<BR> in the egress of EBV during persistent infection.<BR> <BR> PMID: 15507648 [PubMed - in process]<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> 2: Int J Pediatr Otorhinolaryngol. 2003 Oct;67(10):1075-82. <BR> <BR> Noticeable differences in bacterial defence on tonsillar surfaces between<BR> bacteria-induced and virus-induced acute tonsillitis.<BR> <BR> Stenfors LE, Bye HM, Raisanen S.<BR> <BR> Department of Otolaryngology, Institute of Clinical Medicine, University of<BR> Tromso, N-9037 Tromso, Norway. larseric@...<BR> <BR> OBJECTIVE: Oral and pharyngeal cavities harbor a commensal bacterial flora which<BR> is kept in check by several innate and acquired agents. In this study, we<BR> focused on the proportions in which some antibacterial moderators (lysozyme,<BR> lactoferrin, IgG and S-IgA) coat the tonsillar surface bacteria in healthy<BR> individuals, in patients with acute tonsillitisculture-positive for<BR> Streptococcus pyogenes, and in patients with infectious mononucleosis (IM)<BR> caused by Epstein-Barr virus (EBV). METHODS: Bacterial samples were collected<BR> for aerobic culturing and immunocytochemical evaluation from the tonsillar<BR> surfaces of eight healthy individuals (four males, four females; age range 16-22<BR> years), eight patients with current AT (two males, six females; age range 16-29<BR> years) and seven patients with IM (four males, three females; age range 15-21<BR> years). The immunocytochemical assay was based on gold-labeled antiserum to<BR> human lysozyme, lactoferrin, IgG and S-IgA followed by gold particle tracing in<BR> the transmission electron microscope. RESULTS: During AT, a significant increase<BR> in lysozyme coating (P<0.05) and lactoferrin coating (P<0.0005) of the bacteria<BR> was noted, whereas the S-IgA coating was significantly reduced (P<0.0005).<BR> During IM infection, a significant increase in lactoferrin coating was noted<BR> (P<0.0005) whereas immunoglobulin coating was significantly reduced (IgG<BR> P<0.025; S-IgA P<0.0005) compared with healthy controls. During IM, all<BR> antibacterial moderators evaluated were significantly reduced compared with the<BR> situation during AT. CONCLUSIONS: Noticeable changes in the local innate and<BR> acquired bacterial defence system were observed during tonsillar infections,<BR> particularly during IM.<BR> <BR> PMID: 14550961 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> 3: Int J Pediatr Otorhinolaryngol. 2002 Dec 2;66(3):223-6. <BR> <BR> Detection of Epstein-Barr virus and subsets of lymphoid cells in adenoid tissue<BR> of children under 2 years of age.<BR> <BR> Endo LH, Vassallo J, Sakano E, Brousset P.<BR> <BR> Department of Otorrhinolaryngology, State University of Campinas, Rua Guilherme<BR> da Silva 281, apto 111 Cambui, Campinas 13025-070, Sao o, Brazil.<BR> luiza_endo@...<BR> <BR> Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) has been closely associated with undifferentiated<BR> nasopharyngeal carcinoma (NPC) and T/NK nasal non Hodgkin lymphoma.<BR> Nevertheless, the presence of EBV in non neoplastic lymphoid tissue of the<BR> nasopharynx has been rarely investigated. In a previous study by our group,<BR> using in situ hybridization to detect EBV in adenoids of children (2-13 years<BR> old) resected because of nasal obstruction due to hypertrophy, we found EBV<BR> genome in 72% of the cases. It was now intended to study the frequency of EBV<BR> expression in adenoids from children that underwent surgical removal, belonging<BR> to a lower age group (1-2 years old). It was also intended to establish which<BR> lymphoid subsets are involved in this infection. Adenoidal paraffin sections<BR> from 21 patients aged 1-2 years old (mean 1.6 years), 15 males and six females<BR> were submitted to double labeling: in situ hybridization with EBER 1/2 probes to<BR> detect EBV and immunohistochemistry to determine the lymphocyte typing of<BR> EBV-positive cells (CD20 for B-lymphocytes, CD3 for T-lymphocytes and CD56 and<BR> CD57 for NK-cells). Among 21 patients, seven showed positive lymphoid cells for<BR> EBV (33%). In almost all cases, EBV-positive cells were also CD20-positive. Some<BR> EBV-positive cells showed no labeling with any of the lymphoid markers, but in<BR> no instance they were positive for CD3, CD56 or CD57. This study confirms the<BR> preferential infection of B-lymphocytes by EBV, which in some instances can down<BR> regulate the expression of CD20.<BR> <BR> PMID: 12443810 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]<BR> <BR> <BR> 4: Brain Dev. 2003 Jan;25(1):9-13. <BR> <BR> Virological and immunological aspects of seizure disorders.<BR> <BR> Eeg-Olofsson O.<BR> <BR> Department of Women's and Children's Health, Section for Pediatrics, Uppsala<BR> University, S-751 85 Uppsala, Sweden.<BR> <BR> The brain is a symptom-producing organ, and one of the symptoms due to a basic<BR> brain dysfunction is epilepsy. The pathophysiologic background is in most<BR> epilepsies multifactorial, as different pre-, peri-, and postnatal triggers or<BR> environmental conditions influence one or several genetic factors, where also<BR> gender is of importance. One of the genetic factors is immunodysfunction, and<BR> the trigger mechanism may be a virus infection. Viruses are the most common<BR> agents to which the human being is exposed throughout life. The herpes virus<BR> group is of special interest with respect to complications of the central<BR> nervous system. Herpes viruses, especially herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1),<BR> human herpes virus type 6 (HHV-6), cytomegalovirus (CMV) and Epstein-Barr virus<BR> (EBV), are capable of establishing latent infection and reactivating under a<BR> variety of stimuli. In this review especially HHV-6 will be emphasized, as well<BR> as CMV in relation to Rasmussen's syndrome. The immunological aspects will focus<BR> on immunoglobulins, antibodies, especially the glutamate receptors, human<BR> leukocyte antigens, T- and B-lymphocytes, and their respective interaction with<BR> the antigen presenting cell. This course of events concerns the 'immunological<BR> synapse'. Finally, reports on herpes virus genomes in the human brain are<BR> discussed. A study on herpes viral DNA in brain tissue from patients operated<BR> for focal epilepsy is briefly mentioned.<BR> <BR> Publication Types:<BR> Review<BR> Review, Tutorial<BR> <BR> PMID: 12536027 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]<BR> <BR> <BR> 5: J Child Neurol. 2000 Dec;15(12):791-6. <BR> <BR> Persistent preceding focal neurologic deficits in children with chronic<BR> Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis.<BR> <BR> Caruso JM, Tung GA, Gascon GG, Rogg J, L, Brown WD.<BR> <BR> Department of Pediatric Neurology, Children's National Medical Center,<BR> Washington, DC 20010, USA. jcaruso@...<BR> <BR> Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis is a self-limiting disease with few sequelae.<BR> Persistence of neurologic deficits prior to and after the acute illness has yet<BR> to be described in children. We describe five children with persistent cognitive<BR> and focal neurologic deficits due to chronic Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis<BR> with various T2-weighted magnetic resonance imaging abnormalities. Clinical<BR> features were a 9-year-old boy with aphasia and apraxia, an 11-year-old girl<BR> with impulsivity and inappropriate behavior, a 17-year-old boy with<BR> deterioration of cognitive skills and judgment, a 5-year-old boy with<BR> complex-partial seizures, and a 6-year-old girl with obsessive-compulsive<BR> behavior. All patients had elevated serum Epstein-Barr virus titers for acute<BR> infection, with cerebrospinal fluid polymerase chain reaction positive for<BR> Epstein-Barr virus in four patients. Three children were treated with<BR> methylprednisolone with minimal improvement without changes on magnetic<BR> resonance imaging. Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis can present with chronic and<BR> insidious neurologic symptoms and should be considered in the differential<BR> diagnosis of children with acute or chronic neurologic illness of unknown<BR> etiology.<BR> <BR> Publication Types:<BR> Case Reports<BR> <BR> PMID: 11198493 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </tt> <br><br> <tt> =======================================================<BR> Quote
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Posted December 7, 2004 , Dare we speculate that the amalgams led to a systemic and localized reduction in immunity, thus the inflamed tonsils. I too had amalgams, then tonsils and adenoids removed. Makes me wonder if the amalgams/immunity/EBV connection is a major reason that amalgams continue to be installed - 'tis good for the business of tonsillectomies and adenoidectomies. ??? Shepard wrote: > >FWIW I'm convinced my tonsil issues (age 5 or 6 until I had them out at age 21) resulted from mercury amalgam exposure. Interestingly, we went to the dentist every 6 months (and I remember only one appt without any fillings) and voilá, I had inflamed tonsils every 6 months... > S > > > > > ><tt> >Theresa,<BR> ><BR> >Your letter saddens me. Docs know (or should know) that many and <BR> >probably most cases of inflamed tonsils are related to EBV (eg, 1-3). <BR> >Most but not all strains of EBV are responsive to Valtrex. My experience <BR> >at TCH in Denver has led me to conclude that ENT departments make more <BR> >money from surgeries (eg, tonsillectomies, myringotomies) than would be <BR> >made from healing the subgroups of kids whose symptoms would be <BR> >responsive to Valtrex. In this climate, a physician is far less likely <BR> >to dare to venture forth and say, Let's try Valtrex for a week or two, <BR> >and if we don't see improvement, we'll try different approaches. <BR> >Furthermore, epileptiform activity and autism-like traits are associated <BR> >with EBV (eg, 4-5).<BR> ><BR> ><BR> ><BR> > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Posted December 7, 2004 Hi , Yes,since my dd regressed after 15mo immunizations and a virus right after I am convinced that not being able to clear poisons(mercury)have caused and will continue to cause problems for her until I can get her well enough to chelate it and get it out of her theresa [ ] Re: Seizures,worsening behaviors > > > > FWIW I'm convinced my tonsil issues (age 5 or 6 until I had them out at > age 21) resulted from mercury amalgam exposure. Interestingly, we went to > the dentist every 6 months (and I remember only one appt without any > fillings) and voilá, I had inflamed tonsils every 6 months... > S > > > > <BR> > <BR> >>Hello Listmates,<BR> >>Thank you for all your advice and input,I am learning so much here and you >>all help me so much by posting and sharing in laymans terms.I went to see >>the new ped today,armed with many studies(Thank you!)and a videotape of my >>dd having her " tics'and laughing and conversing with herself.To this peds >>credit she didnot look at me like I had a third eye and listened but wants >>to consult w/the geneticist before making any more referals.She did feel >>that<BR> >>the tics were absense?seizures and wants me to see a nuero after the >>geneticist.She gave me a steroid nose spray because dd has enlarged >>tonsills and adnoids.Has anyone used anything like this?<BR> >>She would not write any scripts for nystatin,or viral meds.<BR> >>I think if I could consult with another doc who understood these >>things,this new ped would follow their lead.<BR> >>We live in Va,any recommendations for a doc to take dd to<BR> >>who would advise my ped so that insurance would hopefully cover some of >>this?<BR> >>sorry for the long post,I had suspected seizures but was not ready to hear >>it and I am clueless about what to do about it<BR> >>could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral that might >>be helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity<BR> >>And can Flinstones vits really help w/this defiency?<BR> >>thanks again<BR> >>Theresa<BR> >><BR> > <BR> > 1: J Virol. 2004 Nov;78(22):12613-24. <BR> > <BR> > Epstein-Barr virus infection in ex vivo tonsil epithelial cell cultures > of<BR> > asymptomatic carriers.<BR> > <BR> > Pegtel DM, Middeldorp J, Thorley-Lawson DA.<BR> > <BR> > Department of Pathology, Tufts University School of Medicine, Jaharis > Bldg., 150<BR> > on Avenue, Boston, MA 02111, USA.<BR> > <BR> > Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) is found frequently in certain epithelial > pathologies,<BR> > such as nasopharyngeal carcinoma and oral hairy leukoplakia, indicating > that the<BR> > virus can infect epithelial cells in vivo. Recent studies of cell lines > imply<BR> > that epithelial cells may also play a role in persistent EBV infection in > vivo.<BR> > In this report, we show the establishment and characterization of an ex > vivo<BR> > culture model of tonsil epithelial cells, a likely site for EBV infection > in<BR> > vivo. Primary epithelial-cell cultures, generated from tonsil > explants,<BR> > contained a heterogeneous mixture of cells with an ongoing process of<BR> > differentiation. Keratin expression profiles were consistent with the > presence<BR> > of cells from both surface and crypt epithelia. A small subset of cells > could be<BR> > latently infected by coculture with EBV-releasing cell lines, but not > with<BR> > cell-free virus. We also detected viral-DNA, -mRNA, and -protein > expression in<BR> > cultures from EBV-positive tonsil donors prior to in vitro infection. > We<BR> > conclude that these cells were either already infected at the time of<BR> > explantation or soon after through cell-to-cell contact with B cells > replicating<BR> > EBV in the explant. Taken together, these findings suggest that the > tonsil<BR> > epithelium of asymptomatic virus carriers is able to sustain EBV infection > in<BR> > vivo. This provides an explanation for the presence of EBV in naso- > and<BR> > oropharyngeal pathologies and is consistent with epithelial cells playing > a role<BR> > in the egress of EBV during persistent infection.<BR> > <BR> > PMID: 15507648 [PubMed - in process]<BR> > <BR> > <BR> > <BR> > 2: Int J Pediatr Otorhinolaryngol. 2003 Oct;67(10):1075-82. <BR> > <BR> > Noticeable differences in bacterial defence on tonsillar surfaces > between<BR> > bacteria-induced and virus-induced acute tonsillitis.<BR> > <BR> > Stenfors LE, Bye HM, Raisanen S.<BR> > <BR> > Department of Otolaryngology, Institute of Clinical Medicine, University > of<BR> > Tromso, N-9037 Tromso, Norway. larseric@...<BR> > <BR> > OBJECTIVE: Oral and pharyngeal cavities harbor a commensal bacterial flora > which<BR> > is kept in check by several innate and acquired agents. In this study, > we<BR> > focused on the proportions in which some antibacterial moderators > (lysozyme,<BR> > lactoferrin, IgG and S-IgA) coat the tonsillar surface bacteria in > healthy<BR> > individuals, in patients with acute tonsillitisculture-positive > for<BR> > Streptococcus pyogenes, and in patients with infectious mononucleosis > (IM)<BR> > caused by Epstein-Barr virus (EBV). METHODS: Bacterial samples were > collected<BR> > for aerobic culturing and immunocytochemical evaluation from the > tonsillar<BR> > surfaces of eight healthy individuals (four males, four females; age range > 16-22<BR> > years), eight patients with current AT (two males, six females; age range > 16-29<BR> > years) and seven patients with IM (four males, three females; age range > 15-21<BR> > years). The immunocytochemical assay was based on gold-labeled antiserum > to<BR> > human lysozyme, lactoferrin, IgG and S-IgA followed by gold particle > tracing in<BR> > the transmission electron microscope. RESULTS: During AT, a significant > increase<BR> > in lysozyme coating (P<0.05) and lactoferrin coating (P<0.0005) of the > bacteria<BR> > was noted, whereas the S-IgA coating was significantly reduced > (P<0.0005).<BR> > During IM infection, a significant increase in lactoferrin coating was > noted<BR> > (P<0.0005) whereas immunoglobulin coating was significantly reduced > (IgG<BR> > P<0.025; S-IgA P<0.0005) compared with healthy controls. During IM, > all<BR> > antibacterial moderators evaluated were significantly reduced compared > with the<BR> > situation during AT. CONCLUSIONS: Noticeable changes in the local innate > and<BR> > acquired bacterial defence system were observed during tonsillar > infections,<BR> > particularly during IM.<BR> > <BR> > PMID: 14550961 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]<BR> > <BR> > <BR> > <BR> > 3: Int J Pediatr Otorhinolaryngol. 2002 Dec 2;66(3):223-6. <BR> > <BR> > Detection of Epstein-Barr virus and subsets of lymphoid cells in adenoid > tissue<BR> > of children under 2 years of age.<BR> > <BR> > Endo LH, Vassallo J, Sakano E, Brousset P.<BR> > <BR> > Department of Otorrhinolaryngology, State University of Campinas, Rua > Guilherme<BR> > da Silva 281, apto 111 Cambui, Campinas 13025-070, Sao o, Brazil.<BR> > luiza_endo@...<BR> > <BR> > Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) has been closely associated with > undifferentiated<BR> > nasopharyngeal carcinoma (NPC) and T/NK nasal non Hodgkin lymphoma.<BR> > Nevertheless, the presence of EBV in non neoplastic lymphoid tissue of > the<BR> > nasopharynx has been rarely investigated. In a previous study by our > group,<BR> > using in situ hybridization to detect EBV in adenoids of children (2-13 > years<BR> > old) resected because of nasal obstruction due to hypertrophy, we found > EBV<BR> > genome in 72% of the cases. It was now intended to study the frequency of > EBV<BR> > expression in adenoids from children that underwent surgical removal, > belonging<BR> > to a lower age group (1-2 years old). It was also intended to establish > which<BR> > lymphoid subsets are involved in this infection. Adenoidal paraffin > sections<BR> > from 21 patients aged 1-2 years old (mean 1.6 years), 15 males and six > females<BR> > were submitted to double labeling: in situ hybridization with EBER 1/2 > probes to<BR> > detect EBV and immunohistochemistry to determine the lymphocyte typing > of<BR> > EBV-positive cells (CD20 for B-lymphocytes, CD3 for T-lymphocytes and CD56 > and<BR> > CD57 for NK-cells). Among 21 patients, seven showed positive lymphoid > cells for<BR> > EBV (33%). In almost all cases, EBV-positive cells were also > CD20-positive. Some<BR> > EBV-positive cells showed no labeling with any of the lymphoid markers, > but in<BR> > no instance they were positive for CD3, CD56 or CD57. This study confirms > the<BR> > preferential infection of B-lymphocytes by EBV, which in some instances > can down<BR> > regulate the expression of CD20.<BR> > <BR> > PMID: 12443810 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]<BR> > <BR> > <BR> > 4: Brain Dev. 2003 Jan;25(1):9-13. <BR> > <BR> > Virological and immunological aspects of seizure disorders.<BR> > <BR> > Eeg-Olofsson O.<BR> > <BR> > Department of Women's and Children's Health, Section for Pediatrics, > Uppsala<BR> > University, S-751 85 Uppsala, Sweden.<BR> > <BR> > The brain is a symptom-producing organ, and one of the symptoms due to a > basic<BR> > brain dysfunction is epilepsy. The pathophysiologic background is in > most<BR> > epilepsies multifactorial, as different pre-, peri-, and postnatal > triggers or<BR> > environmental conditions influence one or several genetic factors, where > also<BR> > gender is of importance. One of the genetic factors is immunodysfunction, > and<BR> > the trigger mechanism may be a virus infection. Viruses are the most > common<BR> > agents to which the human being is exposed throughout life. The herpes > virus<BR> > group is of special interest with respect to complications of the > central<BR> > nervous system. Herpes viruses, especially herpes simplex virus type 1 > (HSV-1),<BR> > human herpes virus type 6 (HHV-6), cytomegalovirus (CMV) and Epstein-Barr > virus<BR> > (EBV), are capable of establishing latent infection and reactivating under > a<BR> > variety of stimuli. In this review especially HHV-6 will be emphasized, as > well<BR> > as CMV in relation to Rasmussen's syndrome. The immunological aspects will > focus<BR> > on immunoglobulins, antibodies, especially the glutamate receptors, > human<BR> > leukocyte antigens, T- and B-lymphocytes, and their respective interaction > with<BR> > the antigen presenting cell. This course of events concerns the > 'immunological<BR> > synapse'. Finally, reports on herpes virus genomes in the human brain > are<BR> > discussed. A study on herpes viral DNA in brain tissue from patients > operated<BR> > for focal epilepsy is briefly mentioned.<BR> > <BR> > Publication Types:<BR> > Review<BR> > Review, Tutorial<BR> > <BR> > PMID: 12536027 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]<BR> > <BR> > <BR> > 5: J Child Neurol. 2000 Dec;15(12):791-6. <BR> > <BR> > Persistent preceding focal neurologic deficits in children with > chronic<BR> > Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis.<BR> > <BR> > Caruso JM, Tung GA, Gascon GG, Rogg J, L, Brown WD.<BR> > <BR> > Department of Pediatric Neurology, Children's National Medical Center,<BR> > Washington, DC 20010, USA. jcaruso@...<BR> > <BR> > Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis is a self-limiting disease with few > sequelae.<BR> > Persistence of neurologic deficits prior to and after the acute illness > has yet<BR> > to be described in children. We describe five children with persistent > cognitive<BR> > and focal neurologic deficits due to chronic Epstein-Barr virus > encephalitis<BR> > with various T2-weighted magnetic resonance imaging abnormalities. > Clinical<BR> > features were a 9-year-old boy with aphasia and apraxia, an 11-year-old > girl<BR> > with impulsivity and inappropriate behavior, a 17-year-old boy with<BR> > deterioration of cognitive skills and judgment, a 5-year-old boy with<BR> > complex-partial seizures, and a 6-year-old girl with > obsessive-compulsive<BR> > behavior. All patients had elevated serum Epstein-Barr virus titers for > acute<BR> > infection, with cerebrospinal fluid polymerase chain reaction positive > for<BR> > Epstein-Barr virus in four patients. Three children were treated with<BR> > methylprednisolone with minimal improvement without changes on > magnetic<BR> > resonance imaging. Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis can present with > chronic and<BR> > insidious neurologic symptoms and should be considered in the > differential<BR> > diagnosis of children with acute or chronic neurologic illness of > unknown<BR> > etiology.<BR> > <BR> > Publication Types:<BR> > Case Reports<BR> > <BR> > PMID: 11198493 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]<BR> > <BR> > <BR> > <BR> > <BR> > </tt> > > <br><br> > <tt> > =======================================================<BR> > Quote
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Posted December 7, 2004 , Thank you so much for posting these studies,I will take them to my ped and maybe when she sees them she will be more willing to write the script.I often wonder how much insurance companys influence what a Dr. feels comfortable trying.I had the sense from talking with her today that she wanted to be openminded but that I was not concrete enough to convince her.This will certainly help.I also would like to thank you for all your work and research into helping these children with Thanks Theresa [ ] Re: Seizures,worsening behaviors Theresa, Your letter saddens me. Docs know (or should know) that many and probably most cases of inflamed tonsils are related to EBV (eg, 1-3). Most but not all strains of EBV are responsive to Valtrex. My experience at TCH in Denver has led me to conclude that ENT departments make more money from surgeries (eg, tonsillectomies, myringotomies) than would be made from healing the subgroups of kids whose symptoms would be responsive to Valtrex. In this climate, a physician is far less likely to dare to venture forth and say, Let's try Valtrex for a week or two, and if we don't see improvement, we'll try different approaches. Furthermore, epileptiform activity and autism-like traits are associated with EBV (eg, 4-5). puresleep wrote: >Hello Listmates, >Thank you for all your advice and input,I am learning so much here and you all help me so much by posting and sharing in laymans terms.I went to see the new ped today,armed with many studies(Thank you!)and a videotape of my dd having her " tics'and laughing and conversing with herself.To this peds credit she didnot look at me like I had a third eye and listened but wants to consult w/the geneticist before making any more referals.She did feel that >the tics were absense?seizures and wants me to see a nuero after the geneticist.She gave me a steroid nose spray because dd has enlarged tonsills and adnoids.Has anyone used anything like this? >She would not write any scripts for nystatin,or viral meds. >I think if I could consult with another doc who understood these things,this new ped would follow their lead. >We live in Va,any recommendations for a doc to take dd to >who would advise my ped so that insurance would hopefully cover some of this? >sorry for the long post,I had suspected seizures but was not ready to hear it and I am clueless about what to do about it >could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral that might be helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity >And can Flinstones vits really help w/this defiency? >thanks again >Theresa > 1: J Virol. 2004 Nov;78(22):12613-24. Epstein-Barr virus infection in ex vivo tonsil epithelial cell cultures of asymptomatic carriers. Pegtel DM, Middeldorp J, Thorley-Lawson DA. Department of Pathology, Tufts University School of Medicine, Jaharis Bldg., 150 on Avenue, Boston, MA 02111, USA. Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) is found frequently in certain epithelial pathologies, such as nasopharyngeal carcinoma and oral hairy leukoplakia, indicating that the virus can infect epithelial cells in vivo. Recent studies of cell lines imply that epithelial cells may also play a role in persistent EBV infection in vivo. In this report, we show the establishment and characterization of an ex vivo culture model of tonsil epithelial cells, a likely site for EBV infection in vivo. Primary epithelial-cell cultures, generated from tonsil explants, contained a heterogeneous mixture of cells with an ongoing process of differentiation. Keratin expression profiles were consistent with the presence of cells from both surface and crypt epithelia. A small subset of cells could be latently infected by coculture with EBV-releasing cell lines, but not with cell-free virus. We also detected viral-DNA, -mRNA, and -protein expression in cultures from EBV-positive tonsil donors prior to in vitro infection. We conclude that these cells were either already infected at the time of explantation or soon after through cell-to-cell contact with B cells replicating EBV in the explant. Taken together, these findings suggest that the tonsil epithelium of asymptomatic virus carriers is able to sustain EBV infection in vivo. This provides an explanation for the presence of EBV in naso- and oropharyngeal pathologies and is consistent with epithelial cells playing a role in the egress of EBV during persistent infection. PMID: 15507648 [PubMed - in process] 2: Int J Pediatr Otorhinolaryngol. 2003 Oct;67(10):1075-82. Noticeable differences in bacterial defence on tonsillar surfaces between bacteria-induced and virus-induced acute tonsillitis. Stenfors LE, Bye HM, Raisanen S. Department of Otolaryngology, Institute of Clinical Medicine, University of Tromso, N-9037 Tromso, Norway. larseric@... OBJECTIVE: Oral and pharyngeal cavities harbor a commensal bacterial flora which is kept in check by several innate and acquired agents. In this study, we focused on the proportions in which some antibacterial moderators (lysozyme, lactoferrin, IgG and S-IgA) coat the tonsillar surface bacteria in healthy individuals, in patients with acute tonsillitisculture-positive for Streptococcus pyogenes, and in patients with infectious mononucleosis (IM) caused by Epstein-Barr virus (EBV). METHODS: Bacterial samples were collected for aerobic culturing and immunocytochemical evaluation from the tonsillar surfaces of eight healthy individuals (four males, four females; age range 16-22 years), eight patients with current AT (two males, six females; age range 16-29 years) and seven patients with IM (four males, three females; age range 15-21 years). The immunocytochemical assay was based on gold-labeled antiserum to human lysozyme, lactoferrin, IgG and S-IgA followed by gold particle tracing in the transmission electron microscope. RESULTS: During AT, a significant increase in lysozyme coating (P<0.05) and lactoferrin coating (P<0.0005) of the bacteria was noted, whereas the S-IgA coating was significantly reduced (P<0.0005). During IM infection, a significant increase in lactoferrin coating was noted (P<0.0005) whereas immunoglobulin coating was significantly reduced (IgG P<0.025; S-IgA P<0.0005) compared with healthy controls. During IM, all antibacterial moderators evaluated were significantly reduced compared with the situation during AT. CONCLUSIONS: Noticeable changes in the local innate and acquired bacterial defence system were observed during tonsillar infections, particularly during IM. PMID: 14550961 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 3: Int J Pediatr Otorhinolaryngol. 2002 Dec 2;66(3):223-6. Detection of Epstein-Barr virus and subsets of lymphoid cells in adenoid tissue of children under 2 years of age. Endo LH, Vassallo J, Sakano E, Brousset P. Department of Otorrhinolaryngology, State University of Campinas, Rua Guilherme da Silva 281, apto 111 Cambui, Campinas 13025-070, Sao o, Brazil. luiza_endo@... Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) has been closely associated with undifferentiated nasopharyngeal carcinoma (NPC) and T/NK nasal non Hodgkin lymphoma. Nevertheless, the presence of EBV in non neoplastic lymphoid tissue of the nasopharynx has been rarely investigated. In a previous study by our group, using in situ hybridization to detect EBV in adenoids of children (2-13 years old) resected because of nasal obstruction due to hypertrophy, we found EBV genome in 72% of the cases. It was now intended to study the frequency of EBV expression in adenoids from children that underwent surgical removal, belonging to a lower age group (1-2 years old). It was also intended to establish which lymphoid subsets are involved in this infection. Adenoidal paraffin sections from 21 patients aged 1-2 years old (mean 1.6 years), 15 males and six females were submitted to double labeling: in situ hybridization with EBER 1/2 probes to detect EBV and immunohistochemistry to determine the lymphocyte typing of EBV-positive cells (CD20 for B-lymphocytes, CD3 for T-lymphocytes and CD56 and CD57 for NK-cells). Among 21 patients, seven showed positive lymphoid cells for EBV (33%). In almost all cases, EBV-positive cells were also CD20-positive. Some EBV-positive cells showed no labeling with any of the lymphoid markers, but in no instance they were positive for CD3, CD56 or CD57. This study confirms the preferential infection of B-lymphocytes by EBV, which in some instances can down regulate the expression of CD20. PMID: 12443810 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 4: Brain Dev. 2003 Jan;25(1):9-13. Virological and immunological aspects of seizure disorders. Eeg-Olofsson O. Department of Women's and Children's Health, Section for Pediatrics, Uppsala University, S-751 85 Uppsala, Sweden. The brain is a symptom-producing organ, and one of the symptoms due to a basic brain dysfunction is epilepsy. The pathophysiologic background is in most epilepsies multifactorial, as different pre-, peri-, and postnatal triggers or environmental conditions influence one or several genetic factors, where also gender is of importance. One of the genetic factors is immunodysfunction, and the trigger mechanism may be a virus infection. Viruses are the most common agents to which the human being is exposed throughout life. The herpes virus group is of special interest with respect to complications of the central nervous system. Herpes viruses, especially herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1), human herpes virus type 6 (HHV-6), cytomegalovirus (CMV) and Epstein-Barr virus (EBV), are capable of establishing latent infection and reactivating under a variety of stimuli. In this review especially HHV-6 will be emphasized, as well as CMV in relation to Rasmussen's syndrome. The immunological aspects will focus on immunoglobulins, antibodies, especially the glutamate receptors, human leukocyte antigens, T- and B-lymphocytes, and their respective interaction with the antigen presenting cell. This course of events concerns the 'immunological synapse'. Finally, reports on herpes virus genomes in the human brain are discussed. A study on herpes viral DNA in brain tissue from patients operated for focal epilepsy is briefly mentioned. Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial PMID: 12536027 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 5: J Child Neurol. 2000 Dec;15(12):791-6. Persistent preceding focal neurologic deficits in children with chronic Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis. Caruso JM, Tung GA, Gascon GG, Rogg J, L, Brown WD. Department of Pediatric Neurology, Children's National Medical Center, Washington, DC 20010, USA. jcaruso@... Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis is a self-limiting disease with few sequelae. Persistence of neurologic deficits prior to and after the acute illness has yet to be described in children. We describe five children with persistent cognitive and focal neurologic deficits due to chronic Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis with various T2-weighted magnetic resonance imaging abnormalities. Clinical features were a 9-year-old boy with aphasia and apraxia, an 11-year-old girl with impulsivity and inappropriate behavior, a 17-year-old boy with deterioration of cognitive skills and judgment, a 5-year-old boy with complex-partial seizures, and a 6-year-old girl with obsessive-compulsive behavior. All patients had elevated serum Epstein-Barr virus titers for acute infection, with cerebrospinal fluid polymerase chain reaction positive for Epstein-Barr virus in four patients. Three children were treated with methylprednisolone with minimal improvement without changes on magnetic resonance imaging. Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis can present with chronic and insidious neurologic symptoms and should be considered in the differential diagnosis of children with acute or chronic neurologic illness of unknown etiology. Publication Types: Case Reports PMID: 11198493 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] ======================================================= Quote
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Posted December 7, 2004 Theresa, Your letter saddens me. Docs know (or should know) that many and probably most cases of inflamed tonsils are related to EBV (eg, 1-3). Most but not all strains of EBV are responsive to Valtrex. My experience at TCH in Denver has led me to conclude that ENT departments make more money from surgeries (eg, tonsillectomies, myringotomies) than would be made from healing the subgroups of kids whose symptoms would be responsive to Valtrex. In this climate, a physician is far less likely to dare to venture forth and say, Let's try Valtrex for a week or two, and if we don't see improvement, we'll try different approaches. Furthermore, epileptiform activity and autism-like traits are associated with EBV (eg, 4-5). puresleep wrote: >Hello Listmates, >Thank you for all your advice and input,I am learning so much here and you all help me so much by posting and sharing in laymans terms.I went to see the new ped today,armed with many studies(Thank you!)and a videotape of my dd having her " tics'and laughing and conversing with herself.To this peds credit she didnot look at me like I had a third eye and listened but wants to consult w/the geneticist before making any more referals.She did feel that >the tics were absense?seizures and wants me to see a nuero after the geneticist.She gave me a steroid nose spray because dd has enlarged tonsills and adnoids.Has anyone used anything like this? >She would not write any scripts for nystatin,or viral meds. >I think if I could consult with another doc who understood these things,this new ped would follow their lead. >We live in Va,any recommendations for a doc to take dd to >who would advise my ped so that insurance would hopefully cover some of this? >sorry for the long post,I had suspected seizures but was not ready to hear it and I am clueless about what to do about it >could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral that might be helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity >And can Flinstones vits really help w/this defiency? >thanks again >Theresa > 1: J Virol. 2004 Nov;78(22):12613-24. Epstein-Barr virus infection in ex vivo tonsil epithelial cell cultures of asymptomatic carriers. Pegtel DM, Middeldorp J, Thorley-Lawson DA. Department of Pathology, Tufts University School of Medicine, Jaharis Bldg., 150 on Avenue, Boston, MA 02111, USA. Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) is found frequently in certain epithelial pathologies, such as nasopharyngeal carcinoma and oral hairy leukoplakia, indicating that the virus can infect epithelial cells in vivo. Recent studies of cell lines imply that epithelial cells may also play a role in persistent EBV infection in vivo. In this report, we show the establishment and characterization of an ex vivo culture model of tonsil epithelial cells, a likely site for EBV infection in vivo. Primary epithelial-cell cultures, generated from tonsil explants, contained a heterogeneous mixture of cells with an ongoing process of differentiation. Keratin expression profiles were consistent with the presence of cells from both surface and crypt epithelia. A small subset of cells could be latently infected by coculture with EBV-releasing cell lines, but not with cell-free virus. We also detected viral-DNA, -mRNA, and -protein expression in cultures from EBV-positive tonsil donors prior to in vitro infection. We conclude that these cells were either already infected at the time of explantation or soon after through cell-to-cell contact with B cells replicating EBV in the explant. Taken together, these findings suggest that the tonsil epithelium of asymptomatic virus carriers is able to sustain EBV infection in vivo. This provides an explanation for the presence of EBV in naso- and oropharyngeal pathologies and is consistent with epithelial cells playing a role in the egress of EBV during persistent infection. PMID: 15507648 [PubMed - in process] 2: Int J Pediatr Otorhinolaryngol. 2003 Oct;67(10):1075-82. Noticeable differences in bacterial defence on tonsillar surfaces between bacteria-induced and virus-induced acute tonsillitis. Stenfors LE, Bye HM, Raisanen S. Department of Otolaryngology, Institute of Clinical Medicine, University of Tromso, N-9037 Tromso, Norway. larseric@... OBJECTIVE: Oral and pharyngeal cavities harbor a commensal bacterial flora which is kept in check by several innate and acquired agents. In this study, we focused on the proportions in which some antibacterial moderators (lysozyme, lactoferrin, IgG and S-IgA) coat the tonsillar surface bacteria in healthy individuals, in patients with acute tonsillitisculture-positive for Streptococcus pyogenes, and in patients with infectious mononucleosis (IM) caused by Epstein-Barr virus (EBV). METHODS: Bacterial samples were collected for aerobic culturing and immunocytochemical evaluation from the tonsillar surfaces of eight healthy individuals (four males, four females; age range 16-22 years), eight patients with current AT (two males, six females; age range 16-29 years) and seven patients with IM (four males, three females; age range 15-21 years). The immunocytochemical assay was based on gold-labeled antiserum to human lysozyme, lactoferrin, IgG and S-IgA followed by gold particle tracing in the transmission electron microscope. RESULTS: During AT, a significant increase in lysozyme coating (P<0.05) and lactoferrin coating (P<0.0005) of the bacteria was noted, whereas the S-IgA coating was significantly reduced (P<0.0005). During IM infection, a significant increase in lactoferrin coating was noted (P<0.0005) whereas immunoglobulin coating was significantly reduced (IgG P<0.025; S-IgA P<0.0005) compared with healthy controls. During IM, all antibacterial moderators evaluated were significantly reduced compared with the situation during AT. CONCLUSIONS: Noticeable changes in the local innate and acquired bacterial defence system were observed during tonsillar infections, particularly during IM. PMID: 14550961 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 3: Int J Pediatr Otorhinolaryngol. 2002 Dec 2;66(3):223-6. Detection of Epstein-Barr virus and subsets of lymphoid cells in adenoid tissue of children under 2 years of age. Endo LH, Vassallo J, Sakano E, Brousset P. Department of Otorrhinolaryngology, State University of Campinas, Rua Guilherme da Silva 281, apto 111 Cambui, Campinas 13025-070, Sao o, Brazil. luiza_endo@... Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) has been closely associated with undifferentiated nasopharyngeal carcinoma (NPC) and T/NK nasal non Hodgkin lymphoma. Nevertheless, the presence of EBV in non neoplastic lymphoid tissue of the nasopharynx has been rarely investigated. In a previous study by our group, using in situ hybridization to detect EBV in adenoids of children (2-13 years old) resected because of nasal obstruction due to hypertrophy, we found EBV genome in 72% of the cases. It was now intended to study the frequency of EBV expression in adenoids from children that underwent surgical removal, belonging to a lower age group (1-2 years old). It was also intended to establish which lymphoid subsets are involved in this infection. Adenoidal paraffin sections from 21 patients aged 1-2 years old (mean 1.6 years), 15 males and six females were submitted to double labeling: in situ hybridization with EBER 1/2 probes to detect EBV and immunohistochemistry to determine the lymphocyte typing of EBV-positive cells (CD20 for B-lymphocytes, CD3 for T-lymphocytes and CD56 and CD57 for NK-cells). Among 21 patients, seven showed positive lymphoid cells for EBV (33%). In almost all cases, EBV-positive cells were also CD20-positive. Some EBV-positive cells showed no labeling with any of the lymphoid markers, but in no instance they were positive for CD3, CD56 or CD57. This study confirms the preferential infection of B-lymphocytes by EBV, which in some instances can down regulate the expression of CD20. PMID: 12443810 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 4: Brain Dev. 2003 Jan;25(1):9-13. Virological and immunological aspects of seizure disorders. Eeg-Olofsson O. Department of Women's and Children's Health, Section for Pediatrics, Uppsala University, S-751 85 Uppsala, Sweden. The brain is a symptom-producing organ, and one of the symptoms due to a basic brain dysfunction is epilepsy. The pathophysiologic background is in most epilepsies multifactorial, as different pre-, peri-, and postnatal triggers or environmental conditions influence one or several genetic factors, where also gender is of importance. One of the genetic factors is immunodysfunction, and the trigger mechanism may be a virus infection. Viruses are the most common agents to which the human being is exposed throughout life. The herpes virus group is of special interest with respect to complications of the central nervous system. Herpes viruses, especially herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1), human herpes virus type 6 (HHV-6), cytomegalovirus (CMV) and Epstein-Barr virus (EBV), are capable of establishing latent infection and reactivating under a variety of stimuli. In this review especially HHV-6 will be emphasized, as well as CMV in relation to Rasmussen's syndrome. The immunological aspects will focus on immunoglobulins, antibodies, especially the glutamate receptors, human leukocyte antigens, T- and B-lymphocytes, and their respective interaction with the antigen presenting cell. This course of events concerns the 'immunological synapse'. Finally, reports on herpes virus genomes in the human brain are discussed. A study on herpes viral DNA in brain tissue from patients operated for focal epilepsy is briefly mentioned. Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial PMID: 12536027 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 5: J Child Neurol. 2000 Dec;15(12):791-6. Persistent preceding focal neurologic deficits in children with chronic Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis. Caruso JM, Tung GA, Gascon GG, Rogg J, L, Brown WD. Department of Pediatric Neurology, Children's National Medical Center, Washington, DC 20010, USA. jcaruso@... Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis is a self-limiting disease with few sequelae. Persistence of neurologic deficits prior to and after the acute illness has yet to be described in children. We describe five children with persistent cognitive and focal neurologic deficits due to chronic Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis with various T2-weighted magnetic resonance imaging abnormalities. Clinical features were a 9-year-old boy with aphasia and apraxia, an 11-year-old girl with impulsivity and inappropriate behavior, a 17-year-old boy with deterioration of cognitive skills and judgment, a 5-year-old boy with complex-partial seizures, and a 6-year-old girl with obsessive-compulsive behavior. All patients had elevated serum Epstein-Barr virus titers for acute infection, with cerebrospinal fluid polymerase chain reaction positive for Epstein-Barr virus in four patients. Three children were treated with methylprednisolone with minimal improvement without changes on magnetic resonance imaging. Epstein-Barr virus encephalitis can present with chronic and insidious neurologic symptoms and should be considered in the differential diagnosis of children with acute or chronic neurologic illness of unknown etiology. Publication Types: Case Reports PMID: 11198493 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Quote
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Posted December 7, 2004 IMHO, I would steer away from steroids. My son also had extremely enlarged adenoids and tonsils. He used to make the strangest noises when he slept. Now he gets nasal immunotherapy, and we have weeded some allergens out of his diet. How about a really good allergist/immunologist? I have a fantastic one, sadly he's in Long Island. (Any family up in this neck of the woods? We don't need to see him very often. He mails us our nasal spray once a month.) jane On Dec 7, 2004, at 4:11 PM, puresleep wrote: > > > Hello Listmates, > Thank you for all your advice and input,I am learning so much here and > you all help me so much by posting and sharing in laymans terms.I went > to see the new ped today,armed with many studies(Thank you!)and a > videotape of my dd having her " tics'and laughing and conversing with > herself.To this peds credit she didnot look at me like I had a third > eye and listened but wants to consult w/the geneticist before making > any more referals.She did feel that > the tics were absense?seizures and wants me to see a nuero after the > geneticist.She gave me a steroid nose spray because dd has enlarged > tonsills and adnoids.Has anyone used anything like this? > She would not write any scripts for nystatin,or viral meds. > I think if I could consult with another doc who understood these > things,this new ped would follow their lead. > We live in Va,any recommendations for a doc to take dd to > who would advise my ped so that insurance would hopefully cover some > of this? > sorry for the long post,I had suspected seizures but was not ready to > hear it and I am clueless about what to do about it > could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral that > might be helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity > And can Flinstones vits really help w/this defiency? > thanks again > Theresa > > Quote
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Posted December 7, 2004 The Flinstones vitamins are for the purpose of providing basic rda's of vitamins/minerals. Dr. Goldberg generally uses famvir and valtrex as antivirals. He switched them about yearly, I believe, or if it seems one is not doing the job, based on labs. --- puresleep <puresleep@...> wrote: > > Hello Listmates, > Thank you for all your advice and input,I am > learning so much here and you all help me so much by > posting and sharing in laymans terms.I went to see > the new ped today,armed with many studies(Thank > you!)and a videotape of my dd having her " tics'and > laughing and conversing with herself.To this peds > credit she didnot look at me like I had a third eye > and listened but wants to consult w/the geneticist > before making any more referals.She did feel that > the tics were absense?seizures and wants me to see a > nuero after the geneticist.She gave me a steroid > nose spray because dd has enlarged tonsills and > adnoids.Has anyone used anything like this? > She would not write any scripts for nystatin,or > viral meds. > I think if I could consult with another doc who > understood these things,this new ped would follow > their lead. > We live in Va,any recommendations for a doc to take > dd to > who would advise my ped so that insurance would > hopefully cover some of this? > sorry for the long post,I had suspected seizures but > was not ready to hear it and I am clueless about > what to do about it > could I please bother you for recommendations for an > antiviral that might be helpful ?and not complicate > or worsen seizure activity > And can Flinstones vits really help w/this defiency? > thanks again > Theresa > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > ===== Barb Katsaros barbkatsaros@... Quote
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Posted December 8, 2004 > could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral that might be helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity I don't know if my OTC anti-virals will affect seizures, because I have never read messages either way, and my kids don't have seizures. However, I have used olive leaf extract and Lauricidin as anti-virals. My kids did better with the olive leaf extract. Dana Quote
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Posted December 8, 2004 My sons seizure activity increases with lauricidin and OLE unless he takes garlic with them. angela > > could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral that > might be helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity > > > I don't know if my OTC anti-virals will affect seizures, because I > have never read messages either way, and my kids don't have seizures. > However, I have used olive leaf extract and Lauricidin as > anti-virals. My kids did better with the olive leaf extract. > > Dana Quote
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Posted December 8, 2004 Hi , I use alot of garlic when I cook,maybe cooking makes it less effective.What supplement do you use? Theresa [ ] Re: Seizures,worsening behaviors My sons seizure activity increases with lauricidin and OLE unless he takes garlic with them. angela > > could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral that > might be helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity > > > I don't know if my OTC anti-virals will affect seizures, because I > have never read messages either way, and my kids don't have seizures. > However, I have used olive leaf extract and Lauricidin as > anti-virals. My kids did better with the olive leaf extract. > > Dana ======================================================= Quote
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Posted December 8, 2004 Thanks Dana, another mom told me that unless she gave garlic with the antivirals her child would also have seizures,maybe that will help mine as well theresa [ ] Re: Seizures,worsening behaviors > could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral that might be helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity I don't know if my OTC anti-virals will affect seizures, because I have never read messages either way, and my kids don't have seizures. However, I have used olive leaf extract and Lauricidin as anti-virals. My kids did better with the olive leaf extract. Dana ======================================================= Quote
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Posted December 8, 2004 Thank you Barb theresa Re: Seizures,worsening behaviors The Flinstones vitamins are for the purpose of providing basic rda's of vitamins/minerals. Dr. Goldberg generally uses famvir and valtrex as antivirals. He switched them about yearly, I believe, or if it seems one is not doing the job, based on labs. --- puresleep <puresleep@...> wrote: > > Hello Listmates, > Thank you for all your advice and input,I am > learning so much here and you all help me so much by > posting and sharing in laymans terms.I went to see > the new ped today,armed with many studies(Thank > you!)and a videotape of my dd having her " tics'and > laughing and conversing with herself.To this peds > credit she didnot look at me like I had a third eye > and listened but wants to consult w/the geneticist > before making any more referals.She did feel that > the tics were absense?seizures and wants me to see a > nuero after the geneticist.She gave me a steroid > nose spray because dd has enlarged tonsills and > adnoids.Has anyone used anything like this? > She would not write any scripts for nystatin,or > viral meds. > I think if I could consult with another doc who > understood these things,this new ped would follow > their lead. > We live in Va,any recommendations for a doc to take > dd to > who would advise my ped so that insurance would > hopefully cover some of this? > sorry for the long post,I had suspected seizures but > was not ready to hear it and I am clueless about > what to do about it > could I please bother you for recommendations for an > antiviral that might be helpful ?and not complicate > or worsen seizure activity > And can Flinstones vits really help w/this defiency? > thanks again > Theresa > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > ===== Barb Katsaros barbkatsaros@... Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with the original author(s), and is not necessarily endorsed by or the opinion of the Research Institute. Quote
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Posted December 8, 2004 Thanks Jane, I too am concerned with the steroids,perhaps I can have luck finding a good allergist here.Do you think a chiro might know something? theresa Re: Seizures,worsening behaviors IMHO, I would steer away from steroids. My son also had extremely enlarged adenoids and tonsils. He used to make the strangest noises when he slept. Now he gets nasal immunotherapy, and we have weeded some allergens out of his diet. How about a really good allergist/immunologist? I have a fantastic one, sadly he's in Long Island. (Any family up in this neck of the woods? We don't need to see him very often. He mails us our nasal spray once a month.) jane On Dec 7, 2004, at 4:11 PM, puresleep wrote: > > > Hello Listmates, > Thank you for all your advice and input,I am learning so much here and > you all help me so much by posting and sharing in laymans terms.I went > to see the new ped today,armed with many studies(Thank you!)and a > videotape of my dd having her " tics'and laughing and conversing with > herself.To this peds credit she didnot look at me like I had a third > eye and listened but wants to consult w/the geneticist before making > any more referals.She did feel that > the tics were absense?seizures and wants me to see a nuero after the > geneticist.She gave me a steroid nose spray because dd has enlarged > tonsills and adnoids.Has anyone used anything like this? > She would not write any scripts for nystatin,or viral meds. > I think if I could consult with another doc who understood these > things,this new ped would follow their lead. > We live in Va,any recommendations for a doc to take dd to > who would advise my ped so that insurance would hopefully cover some > of this? > sorry for the long post,I had suspected seizures but was not ready to > hear it and I am clueless about what to do about it > could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral that > might be helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity > And can Flinstones vits really help w/this defiency? > thanks again > Theresa > > Quote
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Posted December 8, 2004 In a message dated 12/8/2004 12:40:37 PM Central Standard Time, puresleep@... writes: <<My sons seizure activity increases with lauricidin and OLE unless he takes garlic with them.>> Do you have any clue why that is? I've never heard of garlic as a thing that reduces seizure activity. My son hasn't had a problem with seizures on Valtrex or Famvir but then he's been mostly seizure free since completing chelation. For him, the only time he has a seizure now seems to be when his body is way out of balance, which is fairly rare now since fewer things knock him off kilter than used to. Gaylen Quote
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Posted December 9, 2004 I'd stick with an allergist, but that's just my opinion. Jane On Dec 8, 2004, at 8:04 AM, puresleep wrote: > > > Thanks Jane, > I too am concerned with the steroids,perhaps I can have luck finding a > good allergist here.Do you think a chiro might > know something? > theresa > Re: Seizures,worsening behaviors > > > > IMHO, I would steer away from steroids. My son also had extremely > enlarged adenoids and tonsils. He used to make the strangest noises > when he slept. Now he gets nasal immunotherapy, and we have weeded > some allergens out of his diet. How about a really good > allergist/immunologist? I have a fantastic one, sadly he's in Long > Island. (Any family up in this neck of the woods? We don't need to > see him very often. He mails us our nasal spray once a month.) > jane > On Dec 7, 2004, at 4:11 PM, puresleep wrote: > >> >> >> Hello Listmates, >> Thank you for all your advice and input,I am learning so much here and >> you all help me so much by posting and sharing in laymans terms.I went >> to see the new ped today,armed with many studies(Thank you!)and a >> videotape of my dd having her " tics'and laughing and conversing with >> herself.To this peds credit she didnot look at me like I had a third >> eye and listened but wants to consult w/the geneticist before making >> any more referals.She did feel that >> the tics were absense?seizures and wants me to see a nuero after the >> geneticist.She gave me a steroid nose spray because dd has enlarged >> tonsills and adnoids.Has anyone used anything like this? >> She would not write any scripts for nystatin,or viral meds. >> I think if I could consult with another doc who understood these >> things,this new ped would follow their lead. >> We live in Va,any recommendations for a doc to take dd to >> who would advise my ped so that insurance would hopefully cover some >> of this? >> sorry for the long post,I had suspected seizures but was not ready to >> hear it and I am clueless about what to do about it >> could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral that >> might be helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity >> And can Flinstones vits really help w/this defiency? >> thanks again >> Theresa >> >> Quote
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Posted December 9, 2004 I have no idea. > In a message dated 12/8/2004 12:40:37 PM Central Standard Time, > puresleep@v... writes: > <<My sons seizure activity increases with lauricidin and OLE unless he > takes garlic with them.>> > > > Do you have any clue why that is? I've never heard of garlic as a thing that > reduces seizure activity. My son hasn't had a problem with seizures on > Valtrex or Famvir but then he's been mostly seizure free since completing > chelation. For him, the only time he has a seizure now seems to be when his body is > way out of balance, which is fairly rare now since fewer things knock him off > kilter than used to. > Gaylen > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Posted December 9, 2004 > Thanks Dana, > another mom told me that unless she gave garlic with the antivirals her child would also have seizures,maybe that will help mine as well Garlic was very helpful for my kids, to address the NASTY yeast caused by viral die off from those two anti-virals. Maybe it was yeast causing the seizures? Dana Quote
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Posted December 9, 2004 We just moved to Virginia as well. Our twin sons both have seizures but we are successful (so far) in eliminating them with a GF diet. Nearly every record of seizure in the past for our boys is from gluten we suspect. > Hello Listmates, > Thank you for all your advice and input,I am learning so much here and you all help me so much by posting and sharing in laymans terms.I went to see the new ped today,armed with many studies(Thank you!)and a videotape of my dd having her " tics'and laughing and conversing with herself.To this peds credit she didnot look at me like I had a third eye and listened but wants to consult w/the geneticist before making any more referals.She did feel that > the tics were absense?seizures and wants me to see a nuero after the geneticist.She gave me a steroid nose spray because dd has enlarged tonsills and adnoids.Has anyone used anything like this? > She would not write any scripts for nystatin,or viral meds. > I think if I could consult with another doc who understood these things,this new ped would follow their lead. > We live in Va,any recommendations for a doc to take dd to > who would advise my ped so that insurance would hopefully cover some of this? > sorry for the long post,I had suspected seizures but was not ready to hear it and I am clueless about what to do about it > could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral that might be helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity > And can Flinstones vits really help w/this defiency? > thanks again > Theresa > > Quote
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Posted December 9, 2004 Dana, I am thinking that could be it Theresa [ ] Re: Seizures,worsening behaviors > Thanks Dana, > another mom told me that unless she gave garlic with the antivirals her child would also have seizures,maybe that will help mine as well Garlic was very helpful for my kids, to address the NASTY yeast caused by viral die off from those two anti-virals. Maybe it was yeast causing the seizures? Dana ======================================================= Quote
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Posted December 9, 2004 Welcome to Va! Twin Boys ! I hope you are in a good school district,it can be tough going here.We live in VaBeach.I have been very disappointed with the education system here but I hear it is better around Fairfax.I am glad the diet is working well for your sons.We are gfcfsf here theresa mom to 5 [ ] Re: Seizures,worsening behaviors We just moved to Virginia as well. Our twin sons both have seizures but we are successful (so far) in eliminating them with a GF diet. Nearly every record of seizure in the past for our boys is from gluten we suspect. > Hello Listmates, > Thank you for all your advice and input,I am learning so much here and you all help me so much by posting and sharing in laymans terms.I went to see the new ped today,armed with many studies(Thank you!)and a videotape of my dd having her " tics'and laughing and conversing with herself.To this peds credit she didnot look at me like I had a third eye and listened but wants to consult w/the geneticist before making any more referals.She did feel that > the tics were absense?seizures and wants me to see a nuero after the geneticist.She gave me a steroid nose spray because dd has enlarged tonsills and adnoids.Has anyone used anything like this? > She would not write any scripts for nystatin,or viral meds. > I think if I could consult with another doc who understood these things,this new ped would follow their lead. > We live in Va,any recommendations for a doc to take dd to > who would advise my ped so that insurance would hopefully cover some of this? > sorry for the long post,I had suspected seizures but was not ready to hear it and I am clueless about what to do about it > could I please bother you for recommendations for an antiviral that might be helpful ?and not complicate or worsen seizure activity > And can Flinstones vits really help w/this defiency? > thanks again > Theresa > > Quote
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Posted December 9, 2004 Removing gluten has helped my son tremendously, as well > > We just moved to Virginia as well. Our twin sons both have seizures > but we are successful (so far) in eliminating them with a GF diet. > Nearly every record of seizure in the past for our boys is from > gluten we suspect. > >removed] Quote
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