Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Posted February 6, 2004 Nicky said: " It went ok, but it is depressing to me when he gets disappointed in me. " Greg: Yes, hoovering, though enmeshment or pseudoempathy/vicarious emotion (see below) might be more precise terms. The Brighter Side of Human Nature: Altruism and Empathy in Everyday Life by Alfie Kohn http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0465007589/ Book Description Drawing from hundreds of studies in half a dozen fields, " The Brighter Side of Human Nature " makes a powerful case that caring and generosity are just as natural as selfishness and aggression. This lively refutation of cynical assumptions about our species considers the nature of empathy and the causes of war, why we (incorrectly) explain all behavior in terms of self-interest, and how we can teach children to care. excerpts: p. 131 (on pseudoempathy and vicarious emotion): Without imagining the reality of *the other*, empathic feeling is ultimately *self-oriented* and thus unworthy of the name. p.133: Projection is one variant of pseudoempathy that deserves special attention. This is a classic defense mechanism, defined as the process of unconsciously attributing something about oneself to another person because it would be too painful to acknowledge ownership of that feeling; thus, someone who cannot bear to admit his own aggressive impulses may believe that it is everyone else who is hostile toward him. In empathy, one is responding to *someone else's* affect, while in projection the arrow is reversed and one 'discovers' in the other what is really part of oneself. The processes are so different that one might reasonably say projection has nothing whatever to do with empathy, yet in practice the two can easily be confused. People may purport to respond to another's distress when in fact the distress they are responding to is *their own*. The self-absorbed individual may appear for all the world to feel others' pain even though she really uses others as screens on which her *own* pain is projected. (The manifestation of this phenomenon in families, particularly in pathological identifications between mother and daughter, has been addressed by several writers.) Considering the different ways in which people can match another's feeling without really responding to that other - feeling *with* but not feeling *for* - calls to mind the classic definition of knowledge once used by epistemologists: justified true belief. The first modifier is the pertinent one here. One may for no good reason believe something to be true, and one may accidentally be correct, but one cannot thereby be said to 'know' it. This is analogous to what is missing in empathy (or pseudoempathy) with perspective taking: one feels without any justification for the feeling, without any sense of what the feeling means *for the other*. p. 134: ....how well one can empathize with the other when his situation is *outside one's own experience*. Here the *imagination* is the sine qua non of empathy. p. 135: ....perspective taking and empathy allow us to appreciate that you are not me and that we can be connected in spite of that. p. 199 (quoting Jerome Kagan): The idea that humans always act in the service of self-interest has created serious mischief. So many citizens have come to accept the truth of that assumption about human nature that the average person now treats it as a natural law. And because they believe they should not violate a natural law, they try to obey it...What worries me is that the presumptive validity of the law of self-interest is becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. (Greg: one can only wonder where these beliefs came from) Greg: There are other passages on the unfalsifiable propositions (not hypotheses) that sociobiologists and economists have formulated to completely preclude ANY form of altruism, but they really don't pertain to this list. Quote
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