Graves Disease and Hashitoxicosis;Are They the Same Disease?

[Guest guest]

This article from EMedicine is actually about pediatric forms of these diseases, but it just gets me that, from what it's saying, Graves and Hashis look like variations of the same disease. Within this article is the answer to someone's question about why their doctor was running certain IgG testing, and that answer has to do with the TSI antibodies of Graves, or-----surprise surprise---maybe Hashitoxicosis! I've not read anywhere else that many Hashis mothers are all carrying these TSI antibodies during and after these pregnancies?????? EMedicine, to me, is a highly reputable source. I've strongly believed, for a couple of yrs now, that I have had both Graves and Hashis, but then, if they are simply variations of the same disease, then that's a no brainer, huh?

http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic1099.htm

[Guest guest]

Ruth

This is what I found on the IGg deficiencies, and in your case, it looks

like #s 1 and 3 deficiencies. I'm looking for anything related to

autoimmune thyroid diseases.

https://www.immunedisease.com/US/patients/IDF/igg_subclass.html

http://www.emedicine.com/PED/topic190.htm

And this third one's relationship to chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia,

etc.....I do find very interesting.

http://www.cidpusa.org/IgG3deficiency.html

Onward to finding specific relationships of these immunoglobulins to

Hashimotos or Graves.

http://www.primaryimmune.org/forums/thread.asp?m=9469

And this doctor's site sounds so interesting, and I did do the

questionaire(s) on here.

http://www.laurapower.com/online.htm

Still looking, but it looks like autoimmune diseases are VERY involved in

these immune deficiencies. The way these doctors and researchers SEEM to

put it, however, is that the inborn deficiencies seem to come first, leaving

us wide open for the autoimmune and other stuff. Could these

immunoglobulins be the key as to why we all actually develop thyroid disease

and such? Is that the way you interpret most of this info? If this is

true, then I guess I need ALL of my immunoglobulins checked! Chronic

bronchitis, chronic fatigue, Hashimoto's, you name it!

Re: Graves Disease and Hashitoxicosis;Are

They the Same Disease?

> That's what I don't understand. My immune system is

> low. The total for IgG is 785 (700-1600)

> IgG1 417 (422-1292)

> IgG2 367 (117-747)

> IgG3 32 (41-129)

> IgG4 20 (1-291)

>

> I would say this is IgG subclass deficiency. But would

> these numbers need to be high if it were Graves? I

> don't understand.

>

> Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this! I had found the first two links but

not the others. Very interesting, and I wish I could

get my mind around it. The questionaire from

http://www.laurapower.com/online.htm was quite

interesting. I tested as possibly low on everything.

Of course anemia and B12 came up. What is a test for

B12? I just got my iron tested. should get results in

10 days. All of my allergies seem to be related

somehow to IgG. Wish I could read and absorb... Thanks

... but I'm thinking that anyone that is tired,

with thyroid etc should have this tested... it may be

a clue. But I'm disappointed that my doc is doing

nothing with it.

--- wrote:

> Ruth

>

> This is what I found on the IGg deficiencies, and in

> your case, it looks

> like #s 1 and 3 deficiencies. I'm looking for

> anything related to

> autoimmune thyroid diseases.

>

>

https://www.immunedisease.com/US/patients/IDF/igg_subclass.html

>

> http://www.emedicine.com/PED/topic190.htm

>

> And this third one's relationship to chronic

> fatigue, fibromyalgia,

> etc.....I do find very interesting.

>

> http://www.cidpusa.org/IgG3deficiency.html

>

> Onward to finding specific relationships of these

> immunoglobulins to

> Hashimotos or Graves.

>

>

http://www.primaryimmune.org/forums/thread.asp?m=9469

>

> And this doctor's site sounds so interesting, and I

> did do the

> questionaire(s) on here.

>

> http://www.laurapower.com/online.htm

>

> Still looking, but it looks like autoimmune diseases

> are VERY involved in

> these immune deficiencies. The way these doctors

> and researchers SEEM to

> put it, however, is that the inborn deficiencies

> seem to come first, leaving

> us wide open for the autoimmune and other stuff.

> Could these

> immunoglobulins be the key as to why we all actually

> develop thyroid disease

> and such? Is that the way you interpret most of

> this info? If this is

> true, then I guess I need ALL of my immunoglobulins

> checked! Chronic

> bronchitis, chronic fatigue, Hashimoto's, you name

> it!

>

>

>

> Re: Graves Disease

> and Hashitoxicosis;Are

> They the Same Disease?

>

>

> > That's what I don't understand. My immune system

> is

> > low. The total for IgG is 785 (700-1600)

> > IgG1 417 (422-1292)

> > IgG2 367 (117-747)

> > IgG3 32 (41-129)

> > IgG4 20 (1-291)

> >

> > I would say this is IgG subclass deficiency. But

> would

> > these numbers need to be high if it were Graves? I

> > don't understand.

> >

> > Thanks.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ruth

You can have a serum B12 test run, but all these medical authorities are

saying that the Schilling test is still the most definitive of testing for

this. www.labtestsonline.com has a very good explanation of how this

testing is done. As you will see, it does take some time to do this

testing. Also, the next best test for this is the Red Blood Cell test, to

see what's actually gathering in those, both for this Folic Acid, and some

other nutrients. Also, the Homocysteine can give a very large clue to these

two nutrients, but especially the Folate.

Re: Graves Disease and Hashitoxicosis;Are

They the Same Disease?

> Thanks for this! I had found the first two links but

> not the others. Very interesting, and I wish I could

> get my mind around it. The questionaire from

> http://www.laurapower.com/online.htm was quite

> interesting. I tested as possibly low on everything.

> Of course anemia and B12 came up. What is a test for

> B12? I just got my iron tested. should get results in

> 10 days. All of my allergies seem to be related

> somehow to IgG. Wish I could read and absorb... Thanks

> ... but I'm thinking that anyone that is tired,

> with thyroid etc should have this tested... it may be

> a clue. But I'm disappointed that my doc is doing

> nothing with it.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info. Another very helpful website!!

:-)

After reading this and looking at my latest CBC it

appears everything is ok. We'll see what the Iron

Profile shows.

--- wrote:

> Ruth

>

> You can have a serum B12 test run, but all these

> medical authorities are

> saying that the Schilling test is still the most

> definitive of testing for

> this. www.labtestsonline.com has a very good

> explanation of how this

> testing is done. As you will see, it does take some

> time to do this

> testing. Also, the next best test for this is the

> Red Blood Cell test, to

> see what's actually gathering in those, both for

> this Folic Acid, and some

> other nutrients. Also, the Homocysteine can give a

> very large clue to these

> two nutrients, but especially the Folate.

>

>

>

> Re: Graves Disease

> and Hashitoxicosis;Are

> They the Same Disease?

>

>

> > Thanks for this! I had found the first two links

> but

> > not the others. Very interesting, and I wish I

> could

> > get my mind around it. The questionaire from

> > http://www.laurapower.com/online.htm was quite

> > interesting. I tested as possibly low on

> everything.

> > Of course anemia and B12 came up. What is a test

> for

> > B12? I just got my iron tested. should get results

> in

> > 10 days. All of my allergies seem to be related

> > somehow to IgG. Wish I could read and absorb...

> Thanks

> > ... but I'm thinking that anyone that is

> tired,

> > with thyroid etc should have this tested... it may

> be

> > a clue. But I'm disappointed that my doc is doing

> > nothing with it.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Do get your B12 tested. Also your ferritin. The lab range is not

accurate. You should have a ferritin over 70. Your B12 should be over 500.

Kate

At 07:01 PM 8/19/2006, you wrote:

>Thanks for the info. Another very helpful website!!

>:-)

>

>After reading this and looking at my latest CBC it

>appears everything is ok. We'll see what the Iron

>Profile shows.