Guest guest Posted April 27, 2002 Report Share Posted April 27, 2002 I know I got this information from the advertising materials of one of these mineral companies but they claim that when the minerals are colloidal (or ionic ... I don't remember which they were promoting) they act as a mirror image of the heavy metal in your body - bind to it - and take it away... therefore actually chelating out the heavy metals. Sales pitch? I don't know - Andy? Blessings, Lea Ann ================ Agape ... Pass It On! ================ [ ] Trace minerals Hi, I have been taking a liquid trace mineral supplement for several months which contain, of course, trace amounts of metals such as cadmium, mercury, lead, antimony, etc. The promoters of such products claim that these metals are not harmful in these natural proportions. Anyone have some objective information on the use of trace mineral supplements? Thanks, Jay ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2002 Report Share Posted April 28, 2002 > Care to chime in on the trace mineral thread. Are ionic/colloidal trace > mineral supplements from humic shale from the Great Salt Lake that contain > trace amounts of naturally ocurring mercury, cadmium, lead, etc. helpful, > benign, or hurtful? I don't know. I wouldn't take them. I can't imagine them being helpful. I think all you are getting is the rock flour left after they put limestone or shale through a crusher to make sand and gravel - stuff they would have to pay money to get rid of if you didn't buy it from them. I don't think it is anything particularly special, useful, or helpful. > > If these are hurtful, what about the use of sea salt which I imagine also > contains a variety of naturally occuring trace minerals some of which may be > the ones we are trying to detox from? I think the amounts in sea salt are less. I'm not into the " sea salt " bit so I don't have much of an opinion on this. > > Thank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2002 Report Share Posted April 28, 2002 Jay wrote: > > Care to chime in on the trace mineral thread. Are ionic/colloidal > trace > > mineral supplements from humic shale from the Great Salt Lake that > contain > > trace amounts of naturally ocurring mercury, cadmium, lead, etc. > helpful, > > benign, or hurtful? Andy answered: > > I don't know. I wouldn't take them. I can't imagine them being > helpful. > > I think all you are getting is the rock flour left after they put > limestone or shale through a crusher to make sand and gravel - stuff > they would have to pay money to get rid of if you didn't buy it from > them. I don't think it is anything particularly special, useful, or > helpful. > Based on Steve's experience with them I think they MIGHT actually be harmful. It was recommended to him by a holistic practitioner family members have used for years. At the time Steve was taking a shorter list of the supplements he's currently taking. He was starting to feel better and figured the dr could maybe suggest things to add/take off and fine tune things. The dr had Steve stop all the supplements he was currently taking and started a totally NEW protocol. All I can say is I wish we'd found you guys BEFORE we went to the dr. It's clear from reading this list and the archives and from the things he prescribed that he doesn't have a clue about mercury toxicity. Within a week Steve was at the his WORST. The worst I've ever seen him. I kept calling the dr and he kept telling us that first Steve would get worse as his body got rid of the toxins. Then he'd start feeling better. Well Steve kept taking the stuff for 2 months and just kept getting worse. It was to the point he couldn't give tennis lessons or drive. I finally convinced him to give up the protocol and go back to the supplements he was taking before. He started feeling better in less than a week. Here's the web site for the stuff http://traceminerals.com/products/drops.html The listing of the minerals it contains on that page is NOT the same as on the bottle. The bottle also lists arsnic, mercury, lead and about a dozen other minerals NOT listed on the web page. It may only contain " trace " amounts but in someone that's severely mercury toxic it maybe the straw that breaks the camel's back. Besides the trace minerals he had Steve taking some green's mix that was full of chlorella and cilantro as well as a homeopathic amalgam spray that is supposed to help the body deal with dental toxins. The active ingredients in that little beauty is six types of silver, amalgam, mercurius Sol, dental porcelain, plastics, misc. binders, epoxies, setting agents, gold, platinum and flourine. 3 sprays 3 times a day in the mouth. I read the label to Steve. He called the dr and he convinced Steve that the mercurius sol really WASN'T mercury and it was perfectly safe to use. All I can say is we were new to the mercury angle, trusting and didn't know any better. We do now, much thanks to this group for that knowledge too! I honestly think if Steve had continued on with that particular treatment with those supplements he'd be too far gone to get back. It was such a complicated regiment that we missed quite a few doses of this or that which now I realize was probably a blessing in disguise. Vickie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 Hi, It would be hard to sort out the effects of the ionic minerals from that of the chlorella and the mercury remedy. I think you would have to take it alone and see. A friend of mine and I have been struggling through our various health problems and have tackled this " what is an absorbable mineral product? " . We both had a negative response to this product. We both got sort of mentally and emotionally " dull " . We've both been metal poisoned somewhat differently. I can't find anything really wrong with the product, so don't know why this happened. It came with a tape from Schauss, brother of Mark Schauss from Carbon Based. He's wonderfully educated in minerals, his lifelong hobby as well as academic training, but often these academic types don't appreciate the radical differences among people, especially people with existing health problems. On the second side of the tape, he discussed the owner of one of these humic shale based colloidal mineral companies coming up with some rare problem that looked to him like aluminum poisoning. He analyzed a number of these products and came up with amazing levels of aluminum for many of them. You shouldn't find that in the sea salt products. The humic shale products are completely different from the evaporated sea salt products. We finally went to using sea salt for food. It has that " long history of use " to recommend it. There's even a good book called The History of Salt that my daughter likes. I'm now making my way through the Water Oz products, which I like a lot. Since they're separate minerals and very absorbable, I can adjust what I'm taking in by taste, smell and body feel. The zinc was particularly wonderful, I could feel it course through my body, and the selenium caused a very temporary, possibly detox reaction the first time I took it. risnowball wrote: > Jay wrote: > > > > Care to chime in on the trace mineral thread. Are ionic/colloidal > > trace > > > mineral supplements from humic shale from the Great Salt Lake that > > contain > > > trace amounts of naturally ocurring mercury, cadmium, lead, etc. > > helpful, > > > benign, or hurtful? > > Andy answered: > > > > I don't know. I wouldn't take them. I can't imagine them being > > helpful. > > > > I think all you are getting is the rock flour left after they put > > limestone or shale through a crusher to make sand and gravel - stuff > > they would have to pay money to get rid of if you didn't buy it from > > them. I don't think it is anything particularly special, useful, or > > helpful. > > > > Based on Steve's experience with them I think they MIGHT actually be > harmful. It was recommended to him by a holistic practitioner family > members have used for years. At the time Steve was taking a shorter > list of the supplements he's currently taking. He was starting to feel > better and figured the dr could maybe suggest things to add/take off > and fine tune things. The dr had Steve stop all the supplements he was > currently taking and started a totally NEW protocol. > > All I can say is I wish we'd found you guys BEFORE we went to the dr. > It's clear from reading this list and the archives and from the things > he prescribed that he doesn't have a clue about mercury toxicity. > > Within a week Steve was at the his WORST. The worst I've ever seen > him. I kept calling the dr and he kept telling us that first Steve > would get worse as his body got rid of the toxins. Then he'd start > feeling better. Well Steve kept taking the stuff for 2 months and just > kept getting worse. It was to the point he couldn't give tennis > lessons or drive. I finally convinced him to give up the protocol and > go back to the supplements he was taking before. He started feeling > better in less than a week. > > Here's the web site for the stuff > http://traceminerals.com/products/drops.html > The listing of the minerals it contains on that page is NOT the same > as on the bottle. The bottle also lists arsnic, mercury, lead and > about a dozen other minerals NOT listed on the web page. > > It may only contain " trace " amounts but in someone that's severely > mercury toxic it maybe the straw that breaks the camel's back. > > Besides the trace minerals he had Steve taking some green's mix that > was full of chlorella and cilantro as well as a homeopathic amalgam > spray that is supposed to help the body deal with dental toxins. > > The active ingredients in that little beauty is six types of silver, > amalgam, mercurius Sol, dental porcelain, plastics, misc. binders, > epoxies, setting agents, gold, platinum and flourine. 3 sprays 3 times > a day in the mouth. I read the label to Steve. He called the dr and he > convinced Steve that the mercurius sol really WASN'T mercury and it > was perfectly safe to use. > > All I can say is we were new to the mercury angle, trusting and didn't > know any better. We do now, much thanks to this group for that > knowledge too! > > I honestly think if Steve had continued on with that particular > treatment with those supplements he'd be too far gone to get back. It > was such a complicated regiment that we missed quite a few doses of > this or that which now I realize was probably a blessing in disguise. > > Vickie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 , Just want to add my two cents on the subject of trace minerals and collodial minerals. One of the things my brother found when researching collodials is not only inconsistancy of the mineral levels in the products but many of them had traces of heavy metals. is also quite aware of the variability of each individuals needs based upon environment and genetics. In health, Mark Schauss Re: [ ] Re: Trace Minerals > Hi, > > It would be hard to sort out the effects of the ionic minerals from that of > the chlorella and the mercury remedy. I think you would have to take it > alone and see. A friend of mine and I have been struggling through our > various health problems and have tackled this " what is an absorbable mineral > product? " . We both had a negative response to this product. We both got > sort of mentally and emotionally " dull " . We've both been metal poisoned > somewhat differently. I can't find anything really wrong with the product, > so don't know why this happened. It came with a tape from > Schauss, brother of Mark Schauss from Carbon Based. He's wonderfully > educated in minerals, his lifelong hobby as well as academic training, but > often these academic types don't appreciate the radical differences among > people, especially people with existing health problems. On the second side > of the tape, he discussed the owner of one of these humic shale based > colloidal mineral companies coming up with some rare problem that looked to > him like aluminum poisoning. He analyzed a number of these products and came > up with amazing levels of aluminum for many of them. You shouldn't find that > in the sea salt products. The humic shale products are completely different > from the evaporated sea salt products. We finally went to using sea salt for > food. It has that " long history of use " to recommend it. There's even a > good book called The History of Salt that my daughter likes. I'm now making > my way through the Water Oz products, which I like a lot. Since they're > separate minerals and very absorbable, I can adjust what I'm taking in by > taste, smell and body feel. The zinc was particularly wonderful, I could > feel it course through my body, and the selenium caused a very temporary, > possibly detox reaction the first time I took it. > > > > risnowball wrote: > > > Jay wrote: > > > > > > Care to chime in on the trace mineral thread. Are ionic/colloidal > > > trace > > > > mineral supplements from humic shale from the Great Salt Lake that > > > contain > > > > trace amounts of naturally ocurring mercury, cadmium, lead, etc. > > > helpful, > > > > benign, or hurtful? > > > > Andy answered: > > > > > > I don't know. I wouldn't take them. I can't imagine them being > > > helpful. > > > > > > I think all you are getting is the rock flour left after they put > > > limestone or shale through a crusher to make sand and gravel - stuff > > > they would have to pay money to get rid of if you didn't buy it from > > > them. I don't think it is anything particularly special, useful, or > > > helpful. > > > > > > > Based on Steve's experience with them I think they MIGHT actually be > > harmful. It was recommended to him by a holistic practitioner family > > members have used for years. At the time Steve was taking a shorter > > list of the supplements he's currently taking. He was starting to feel > > better and figured the dr could maybe suggest things to add/take off > > and fine tune things. The dr had Steve stop all the supplements he was > > currently taking and started a totally NEW protocol. > > > > All I can say is I wish we'd found you guys BEFORE we went to the dr. > > It's clear from reading this list and the archives and from the things > > he prescribed that he doesn't have a clue about mercury toxicity. > > > > Within a week Steve was at the his WORST. The worst I've ever seen > > him. I kept calling the dr and he kept telling us that first Steve > > would get worse as his body got rid of the toxins. Then he'd start > > feeling better. Well Steve kept taking the stuff for 2 months and just > > kept getting worse. It was to the point he couldn't give tennis > > lessons or drive. I finally convinced him to give up the protocol and > > go back to the supplements he was taking before. He started feeling > > better in less than a week. > > > > Here's the web site for the stuff > > http://traceminerals.com/products/drops.html > > The listing of the minerals it contains on that page is NOT the same > > as on the bottle. The bottle also lists arsnic, mercury, lead and > > about a dozen other minerals NOT listed on the web page. > > > > It may only contain " trace " amounts but in someone that's severely > > mercury toxic it maybe the straw that breaks the camel's back. > > > > Besides the trace minerals he had Steve taking some green's mix that > > was full of chlorella and cilantro as well as a homeopathic amalgam > > spray that is supposed to help the body deal with dental toxins. > > > > The active ingredients in that little beauty is six types of silver, > > amalgam, mercurius Sol, dental porcelain, plastics, misc. binders, > > epoxies, setting agents, gold, platinum and flourine. 3 sprays 3 times > > a day in the mouth. I read the label to Steve. He called the dr and he > > convinced Steve that the mercurius sol really WASN'T mercury and it > > was perfectly safe to use. > > > > All I can say is we were new to the mercury angle, trusting and didn't > > know any better. We do now, much thanks to this group for that > > knowledge too! > > > > I honestly think if Steve had continued on with that particular > > treatment with those supplements he'd be too far gone to get back. It > > was such a complicated regiment that we missed quite a few doses of > > this or that which now I realize was probably a blessing in disguise. > > > > Vickie > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2002 Report Share Posted May 6, 2002 Dear Mark, Your brother's book on trace minerals and his one on anorexia sit on my " best books " shelf and I have a couple of his conference tapes. Very good and I'd like to listen to more. I want to apologize for my stupid " academic types " comment. He specifically really didn't deserve that comment, I went back and listened to his tapes to make sure. I believe the word he used was " astounding " describing the level of aluminum in some of the colloidal mineral products derived from humic shale. I wanted to respond earlier, but my 91 year old father-in-law was dropped off last week for a two week visit and I've been off line. He seems to have no short term memory. I watched him spend two hours unpacking a small suitcase into a drawer. He's been using wd-40 on his body for muscle pain, has been careless with lawn chemicals and he's looking a lot like my solvent and pesticide sensitive daughter. Who is beginning to act a lot like my autistic son after starting to use printing inks in art class. Sigh. Any suggestions? I think this solvent/pesticide thing is big with our kids but just not as obvious as the gut and yeast problems. Mark Schauss wrote: > , > > Just want to add my two cents on the subject of trace minerals and collodial > minerals. One of the things my brother found when researching collodials is > not only inconsistancy of the mineral levels in the products but many of > them had traces of heavy metals. is also quite aware of the > variability of each individuals needs based upon environment and genetics. > > In health, > Mark Schauss > Re: [ ] Re: Trace Minerals > > > Hi, > > > > It would be hard to sort out the effects of the ionic minerals from that > of > > the chlorella and the mercury remedy. I think you would have to take it > > alone and see. A friend of mine and I have been struggling through our > > various health problems and have tackled this " what is an absorbable > mineral > > product? " . We both had a negative response to this product. We both got > > sort of mentally and emotionally " dull " . We've both been metal poisoned > > somewhat differently. I can't find anything really wrong with the > product, > > so don't know why this happened. It came with a tape from > > Schauss, brother of Mark Schauss from Carbon Based. He's wonderfully > > educated in minerals, his lifelong hobby as well as academic training, but > > often these academic types don't appreciate the radical differences among > > people, especially people with existing health problems. On the second > side > > of the tape, he discussed the owner of one of these humic shale based > > colloidal mineral companies coming up with some rare problem that looked > to > > him like aluminum poisoning. He analyzed a number of these products and > came > > up with amazing levels of aluminum for many of them. You shouldn't find > that > > in the sea salt products. The humic shale products are completely > different > > from the evaporated sea salt products. We finally went to using sea salt > for > > food. It has that " long history of use " to recommend it. There's even a > > good book called The History of Salt that my daughter likes. I'm now > making > > my way through the Water Oz products, which I like a lot. Since they're > > separate minerals and very absorbable, I can adjust what I'm taking in by > > taste, smell and body feel. The zinc was particularly wonderful, I could > > feel it course through my body, and the selenium caused a very temporary, > > possibly detox reaction the first time I took it. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2002 Report Share Posted May 8, 2002 | I wanted to respond earlier, but my 91 year old father-in-law was dropped off | last week for a two week visit and I've been off line. He seems to have no | short term memory. I watched him spend two hours unpacking a small suitcase | into a drawer. He's been using wd-40 on his body for muscle pain, has been | careless with lawn chemicals and he's looking a lot like my solvent and | pesticide sensitive daughter. Who is beginning to act a lot like my autistic | son after starting to use printing inks in art class. Sigh. Any suggestions? I | think this solvent/pesticide thing is big with our kids but just not as obvious | as the gut and yeast problems. , I agree. Have you tried the topical Epsom salts for both your father and daughter? Owens used them on her father, and my daughter seems to benefit from them when she's reacting to a chemical exposure. Hang in there, K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 We are installing a RO unit in the house this weekend. We are looking for a product to add minerals back into the water. We had Concentrace recommended, but I'm noticing on the product that it lists flouride and several heavy metals. From the information: " ConcenTrace. Contains the following in naturally occurring, varying trace amounts: Bromide, Calcium Carbonate, Fluoride, Silicon, Nitrogen, Selenium, Phosphorus, Iodine, Chromium, Iron, Manganese, Titanium, Rubidium, Cobalt, Copper, Antimony, Arsenic, Molybdenum, Strontium, Zinc, Nickel, Tungsten, Scandium, Tin, Lanthanum, Yttrium, Barium, Silver, Uranium, Gallium, Zirconium, Vanadium, Beryllium, Tellurium, Bismuth, Hafnium, Terbium, Europium, Gadolinium, Samarium, Cerium, Cesium, Gold, Dysprosium, Holmium, Lutetium, Thulium, Erbium, Ytterbium, Neodymium, Praseodymium, Niobium, Tantalum, Thorium, Thallium, Rhenium, plus the other elements found in sea water. " I'm wondering if this product should be avoided due to the metals, arsenic and flouride. I'm pregnant, and am looking for a supplement to add to the water for the whole family. Thanks! KerryAnn owner, NTOAMC/ owner, NT-kids http://cookingnt.blogspot.com/ - updated 12/20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 like most things I would think there would be a difference between naturaly occuring substances and unnatural man-made or man-tampered with substances. I use concentrace and would keep using it if I was pregnant (which I'm still not 100% sure that I'm NOT). But not so much that the minerals would be in a higher concentration than would be natural. As it is I only add about one drop/ cup of water. On 12/24/05, KerryAnn <krankedyann@...> wrote: > > We are installing a RO unit in the house this weekend. We are looking for > a > product to add minerals back into the water. We had Concentrace > recommended, but I'm noticing on the product that it lists flouride and > several heavy metals... -- Mrs. () Siemens Blessed to be his helpmeet, 6 years and counting!!! Mommy to Zack (5) and Liddy (21 months) no fear, only faith; no guilt, only grace; no pride, only praise; no claim, only Christ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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